A lottery's defense to not paying a huge winning.

[South Park]

How can the company not pay out winnings to players who legally played the game and won a lot of money? Moreover, the reason given by the company is absurd because the winning data has been deleted from their system.

If the player's victory is not due to cheating, the company should not do anything strange and must pay the winning money unless the company is cheating or does not have the winning money. I doubt that the winning players can get their winnings easily, especially if you look at what the company has done. But hopefully, the winner can get justice.

The only way in which they could be justified to do this is if they had evidence they got hacked and their data was deleted or stolen and they can link that act to the person claiming such high prize money, but if that is not the case it is difficult to side with the lottery when they are using such a weak excuse to not pay their customers, if anything I would not be surprised they did this in the past and the previous winners accepted a lesser amount as all of this is sounding like a bad excuse.

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[Mahanton]

How can the company not pay out winnings to players who legally played the game and won a lot of money? Moreover, the reason given by the company is absurd because the winning data has been deleted from their system.

If the player's victory is not due to cheating, the company should not do anything strange and must pay the winning money unless the company is cheating or does not have the winning money. I doubt that the winning players can get their winnings easily, especially if you look at what the company has done. But hopefully, the winner can get justice.

The only way in which they could be justified to do this is if they had evidence they got hacked and their data was deleted or stolen and they can link that act to the person claiming such high prize money, but if that is not the case it is difficult to side with the lottery when they are using such a weak excuse to not pay their customers, if anything I would not be surprised they did this in the past and the previous winners accepted a lesser amount as all of this is sounding like a bad excuse.

We do really need solid evidence which would clear out questions on mind into those people who do watch out on such situation.It do really sucks if you arent get paid but we cant able to determine if its
a legit win or just someone trying out to destroy some reputation or something like that this is why we should not make out direct conclusions without hearing out on each other sides.
Transparency is all we do need but we arent getting such information or clarification this is why its really hard to make out any conclusions.
Someone could easily claim out that they had win and like this and like that but at least there should really be some proof.

[348Judah]

What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

Am sire that a reputable company will not want to tarnish their image with refusal to pay the gambler his entitled winnings realised, this a legal case that must be fought for and will definitely be in favour of the gambler at he end if it all, as long as the company has a physical location where their lottery head office is located could make it more easy to deal with their kind of illegal act and as long as the ticket or winning slip still remains intact within the gambler's reach, then it's not a thing to fear about going with them at any length in fighting for your right.

[Asiska02]

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

What may be the irregularities the company is blaming the winner for. They seem just interested in denying the winner his prize, in my opinion. It seems strange to now accuse the winner of irregularities after they have been charged to court, after previously alleging that the system had deleted their winning data. Inquisitive investigation should be done by the court, and those who deserve it should receive justice.

[goldkingcoiner]

I came across a story on this thread about a lottery company refusing to make payments to a player who legally played a game with about $690 and won over $160,000 but was denied payment on the grounds that his winning data has been wiped out of their system.
Below is the link to the original story.
https://punchng.com/lagos-lottery-company-arraigned-for-refusing-n72m-win/
Link to the topic
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5418121.msg61175078#msg61175078.

I just came across another news,where the lottery company, has now come to a defense of its action for not paying the winner his winnings with claims that winner was involved in irregularities. And that around 2019 he won a huge sum of money from them and now another winner from same outlet which was suspicious to them.
https://leadership.ng/lagos-lottery-coy-says-claimant-of-n72-2m-win-engaged-in-irregularities/

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

In my experience there are many gambling casinos/lottery companies that think that they can withhold a persons winnings on any grounds even if the reasons are complete baloney. Even if they are acting against the law, the simply have the audacity to hope that the winner simply will not sue/report them or that they make it so difficult that the winner basically gives up.

Don't get me wrong, reputable gambling companies do not usually do this. Its always some weird shady off-brand casinos that go about this kind of tactic to steal money from their players.

Not sure about these "irregularities" they claim but if they cannot provide solid evidence that the winner did something wrong then obviously they are trying to stall for time or hope that the winner just gives up.

[aioc]

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

Any casino or lottery company has no obligation to pay bettors their winnings if they cheat or manipulate the system, they have it in their terms or contract to operate given to them by their licensor, but if there are no irregularities on the bet of the winner and because of the lottery's error on their system, the winner has the right for a claim, the court and the government should intervene for the winner to get his winning, it cannot be denied. he has a rightful claim to his winning.

[harizen]

People's trust in the lottery will be diminished they already have two cases based on the article, the lottery company should have a good case because if the complainant won the case that will tarnish the image of the lottery company, gambling like a lottery depends on people's trust they should prove that they have the right decision not to pay cheaters they send a strong signal that they cannot be bribe by cheaters but they must also prove that they are a legit lottery company and will pay real winners even if it involves a huge amount of money.

Not taking my side on the lottery but we should also have to take note that while they have two same related cases before, they also granted several big winnings without a problem too which is might even way higher than the amount mentioned on this topic.

That's why I also mentioned that we are just giving our thoughts based on what is written in the article without knowing the actual happening in their trial e.g how the lottery provides their proof that the man is doing irregularities, how the man defends himself and everything along those lines.

[Wakate]

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

What may be the irregularities the company is blaming the winner for. They seem just interested in denying the winner his prize, in my opinion. It seems strange to now accuse the winner of irregularities after they have been charged to court, after previously alleging that the system had deleted their winning data. Inquisitive investigation should be done by the court, and those who deserve it should receive justice.

Any gambling sites that decided not to pay their customers maybe be getting it wrong and this might cause a bad omen that will make other gamblers to stop gambling on the platform. It is unfair for a gambling platform to decide not to pay their winners because the money won is huge. I know every gambling sites have their limit to what you can play and how much fund can be use be used. This is why if a player wins a big amount of money, he needed to be paid or the law enforcement should take care of this.

[rahmad2nd]

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

What may be the irregularities the company is blaming the winner for. They seem just interested in denying the winner his prize, in my opinion. It seems strange to now accuse the winner of irregularities after they have been charged to court, after previously alleging that the system had deleted their winning data. Inquisitive investigation should be done by the court, and those who deserve it should receive justice.

So far, there is no definite and accurate information. we only read from Op's thread articles and posts, so in this case. I personally have to look at both sides in a balanced way, which is where both sides have their own claims.  In the end, the final decision will be made in court and both parties will have to prove it to win the case.

Any gambling sites that decided not to pay their customers maybe be getting it wrong and this might cause a bad omen that will make other gamblers to stop gambling on the platform. It is unfair for a gambling platform to decide not to pay their winners because the money won is huge. I know every gambling sites have their limit to what you can play and how much fund can be use be used. This is why if a player wins a big amount of money, he needed to be paid or the law enforcement should take care of this.

If you play on a site that decides not to pay the winnings that should be yours, then that site is a scam. So, you have to make sure that the casino you use has a credible reputation. and in our forum we have casinos that have a high reputation.

However, in this case. the lottery casino platforms had paid the man's winnings before. so, it's not like what you say here. this case has been in court, regarding the outcome, only the court can decide.

[South Park]

I came across a story on this thread about a lottery company refusing to make payments to a player who legally played a game with about $690 and won over $160,000 but was denied payment on the grounds that his winning data has been wiped out of their system.
Below is the link to the original story.
https://punchng.com/lagos-lottery-company-arraigned-for-refusing-n72m-win/
Link to the topic
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5418121.msg61175078#msg61175078.

I just came across another news,where the lottery company, has now come to a defense of its action for not paying the winner his winnings with claims that winner was involved in irregularities. And that around 2019 he won a huge sum of money from them and now another winner from same outlet which was suspicious to them.
https://leadership.ng/lagos-lottery-coy-says-claimant-of-n72-2m-win-engaged-in-irregularities/

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

In my experience there are many gambling casinos/lottery companies that think that they can withhold a persons winnings on any grounds even if the reasons are complete baloney. Even if they are acting against the law, the simply have the audacity to hope that the winner simply will not sue/report them or that they make it so difficult that the winner basically gives up.

Don't get me wrong, reputable gambling companies do not usually do this. Its always some weird shady off-brand casinos that go about this kind of tactic to steal money from their players.

Not sure about these "irregularities" they claim but if they cannot provide solid evidence that the winner did something wrong then obviously they are trying to stall for time or hope that the winner just gives up.

What happens is that some companies actually believe they can get away with anything, and if we are honest since some of those companies have so much money and the best lawyers around the world this is true a significant amount of the time, however I hope this lottery does not get away with this as at least to me it seems they are just making up excuses so they do not have to pay their customers what they legitimate owe to them.

[Lanatsa]

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

What may be the irregularities the company is blaming the winner for. They seem just interested in denying the winner his prize, in my opinion. It seems strange to now accuse the winner of irregularities after they have been charged to court, after previously alleging that the system had deleted their winning data. Inquisitive investigation should be done by the court, and those who deserve it should receive justice.

Any gambling sites that decided not to pay their customers maybe be getting it wrong and this might cause a bad omen that will make other gamblers to stop gambling on the platform. It is unfair for a gambling platform to decide not to pay their winners because the money won is huge. I know every gambling sites have their limit to what you can play and how much fund can be use be used. This is why if a player wins a big amount of money, he needed to be paid or the law enforcement should take care of this.

Issues and problems on certain gambling sites is something that cant really be avoided even into those known or popular ones on which there are scenario which it cant be avoided but the most important thing

on here is that those problems do get resolved, but this is only can be found into those platforms which are legit and non scammy.For those sites who do refuse on paying up huge wins then it doesnt indicate
that they are scam directly, maybe there might be some unusual activity that had been seen on a certain player which they would be checking it out but for a legit ones then they would eventually release out
after that but if they are already giving out some reasoning which turns out to be non realistic and obviously alibis then pretty sure that you had deal up with a scam site.

[Poker Player]

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

To my understanding no, the company had a problem with their database, supposedly and they are hiding behind that to not pay the prize. To me that does not seem to me a defense that justifies not paying and unless they provide other elements of proof in the trial I understand that the most reasonable thing is that they pay him the lottery prize in full. Although it is also necessary to think that in matters of law what seems to be clear in favor of a part ends up with a reasoned sentence of many pages in favor of the other, that is to say that the plaintiff cannot claim victory.

[Russlenat]

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

What may be the irregularities the company is blaming the winner for. They seem just interested in denying the winner his prize, in my opinion. It seems strange to now accuse the winner of irregularities after they have been charged to court, after previously alleging that the system had deleted their winning data. Inquisitive investigation should be done by the court, and those who deserve it should receive justice.

If the company is really not interested to pay the winner, then for sure they will create a lot of lies that will go against the winner, and that demands for a deep investigation. It’s so hard to believe that the system had deleted their winning data, that’s unlikely to happen except they will do it for a cause. Whatever it is, let the court decide for it and hopefully justice will be served to the victim.

[Vaculin]

They will surely lose the trust of their players if they continue what they do even though the player won fairly and they didn't even provide any proof of what they say about irregularities that will prove that the player is cheating on their company to win huge amount. If they can't provide then they are making excuses so that they won't be able to pay the winnings and I am sure they will be exposed sooner or later that the lottery company is a shady one.

If they will continue to accuse irregularities on the part of the winner, once the court proven that the winner deserves the prize, then surely the company will be in a big trouble as they will come to ruin their own reputation because of their irresponsible behavior. I guess companies like this will never succeed in the end, they might win in some cases but that won’t be happening the rest of the days.

[Cryptomultiplier]

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

What may be the irregularities the company is blaming the winner for. They seem just interested in denying the winner his prize, in my opinion. It seems strange to now accuse the winner of irregularities after they have been charged to court, after previously alleging that the system had deleted their winning data. Inquisitive investigation should be done by the court, and those who deserve it should receive justice.

If the company is really not interested to pay the winner, then for sure they will create a lot of lies that will go against the winner, and that demands for a deep investigation. It’s so hard to believe that the system had deleted their winning data, that’s unlikely to happen except they will do it for a cause. Whatever it is, let the court decide for it and hopefully justice will be served to the victim.

My point exactly! Let's just let the court decide. Claims like this might either be concocted by the lottery so as to avoid redeeming the winners  prize or there might actually be irregularities as accused of the person who won.  If upon checking the records of the lottery , to find that they have been faithful in redeeming prizes of huge winnings to other players then, their claim might just be on point.

[BitcoinPanther]

They will surely lose the trust of their players if they continue what they do even though the player won fairly and they didn't even provide any proof of what they say about irregularities that will prove that the player is cheating on their company to win huge amount. If they can't provide then they are making excuses so that they won't be able to pay the winnings and I am sure they will be exposed sooner or later that the lottery company is a shady one.

If they will continue to accuse irregularities on the part of the winner, once the court proven that the winner deserves the prize, then surely the company will be in a big trouble as they will come to ruin their own reputation because of their irresponsible behavior. I guess companies like this will never succeed in the end, they might win in some cases but that won’t be happening the rest of the days.

The lottery can actually throw everything to make the winner look bad and undeserving of the win but of course the winner can make a counter statement on that.  But  based on the proceedings, it is normal for a player to have irregularities of bet, and even winnings again and again when a client bets regularly.  I believe the court will rule the case in favor of the winner because, the lottery won't offer any amount of money as compensation if they are right on the first place.

[TimeTeller]

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

What may be the irregularities the company is blaming the winner for. They seem just interested in denying the winner his prize, in my opinion. It seems strange to now accuse the winner of irregularities after they have been charged to court, after previously alleging that the system had deleted their winning data. Inquisitive investigation should be done by the court, and those who deserve it should receive justice.

If the company is really not interested to pay the winner, then for sure they will create a lot of lies that will go against the winner, and that demands for a deep investigation. It’s so hard to believe that the system had deleted their winning data, that’s unlikely to happen except they will do it for a cause. Whatever it is, let the court decide for it and hopefully justice will be served to the victim.

My point exactly! Let's just let the court decide. Claims like this might either be concocted by the lottery so as to avoid redeeming the winners  prize or there might actually be irregularities as accused of the person who won.  If upon checking the records of the lottery , to find that they have been faithful in redeeming prizes of huge winnings to other players then, their claim might just be on point.

If the amount is significant as posted, and the user has all the proofs, then pursue the lawsuit.
The court will weigh the evidences on both sides and for sure they will come to a fair decision.
Deleting the winning data is not sufficient not to pay a winner, because there are other means which have recorded such winning numbers.
Such as publishing it on other social media channels and other reading materials.
The system may have erased it but it was recorded in other means. If not, this lottery is not operating legally.

[herurist]

These are 2 defenses from each side. On the other hand, they do say that the winner is cheating when they win, if the evidence is not too strong, then indeed this can backfire and indeed they don't want anyone to win for various reasons.
Things like this probably have to be discussed further in court so that someone becomes an intermediary because if everything is related without a mediator it will only continue to say that all parties feel that they are right.

[bitbollo]

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Things like this probably have to be discussed further in court
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I think the same... there is only one way for solve this kind of issues.
get a lawyer (a good one) and go in court suing the lottery administrators.
I don't know in Lagos how it works for legal disputes but this is the only way to get an agreement.

[jakdanyel]

It's gotten pretty complicated. I think it could have been solved without getting so involved. Now that the situation is like this, there is a question mark on everyone's mind. Lottery companies are starting to take notice. When it comes to paying money, customer loss situations arise. People find it harder to trust lottery companies now. If this continues, lottery companies will now have fewer customers.