A lottery's defense to not paying a huge winning.

[ultrloa]

I just came across another news,where the lottery company, has now come to a defense of its action for not paying the winner his winnings with claims that winner was involved in irregularities. And that around 2019 he won a huge sum of money from them and now another winner from same outlet which was suspicious to them.
https://leadership.ng/lagos-lottery-coy-says-claimant-of-n72-2m-win-engaged-in-irregularities/

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

They should announce what irregularity it is so that many people would know that there reason to void or to stop the winner to claim his winnings. If they cannot give good answer with this then maybe we can say that they are avoiding to pay that huge amount of money or they don't have enough funds to cover up that amount. That could ruin their reputation if things didn't well explain to the public.

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[Strongkored]

I just came across another news,where the lottery company, has now come to a defense of its action for not paying the winner his winnings with claims that winner was involved in irregularities. And that around 2019 he won a huge sum of money from them and now another winner from same outlet which was suspicious to them.
https://leadership.ng/lagos-lottery-coy-says-claimant-of-n72-2m-win-engaged-in-irregularities/

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

They should announce what irregularity it is so that many people would know that there reason to void or to stop the winner to claim his winnings. If they cannot give good answer with this then maybe we can say that they are avoiding to pay that huge amount of money or they don't have enough funds to cover up that amount. That could ruin their reputation if things didn't well explain to the public.

Based on articles from the media that Op included, the gambling company said that their database was wiped out, now it is a question of how their database can be wiped out. The article also states that November 21 the trial will resume, so we can only wait until what decision will be given in this case.

[ethereumhunter]

How can the company not pay out winnings to players who legally played the game and won a lot of money? Moreover, the reason given by the company is absurd because the winning data has been deleted from their system.

If the player's victory is not due to cheating, the company should not do anything strange and must pay the winning money unless the company is cheating or does not have the winning money. I doubt that the winning players can get their winnings easily, especially if you look at what the company has done. But hopefully, the winner can get justice.

The only way in which they could be justified to do this is if they had evidence they got hacked and their data was deleted or stolen and they can link that act to the person claiming such high prize money, but if that is not the case it is difficult to side with the lottery when they are using such a weak excuse to not pay their customers, if anything I would not be surprised they did this in the past and the previous winners accepted a lesser amount as all of this is sounding like a bad excuse.

But I guess they could provide fake evidence that gives the fact that they really got hacked and lost important data from their company. But the company will continue to pay the winning money to the winners because that is a consequence that the company has to do. Especially if they still want to run a gambling business where they can get huge profits in the future. But as a gambling company that may already have a reputation, they shouldn't do that but will still pay out the winnings.

[rahmad2nd]

I just came across another news,where the lottery company, has now come to a defense of its action for not paying the winner his winnings with claims that winner was involved in irregularities. And that around 2019 he won a huge sum of money from them and now another winner from same outlet which was suspicious to them.
https://leadership.ng/lagos-lottery-coy-says-claimant-of-n72-2m-win-engaged-in-irregularities/

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

They should announce what irregularity it is so that many people would know that there reason to void or to stop the winner to claim his winnings. If they cannot give good answer with this then maybe we can say that they are avoiding to pay that huge amount of money or they don't have enough funds to cover up that amount. That could ruin their reputation if things didn't well explain to the public.

If we read carefully the advanced links listed above, then the final decision will end up in court. So far, the lottery company has claimed that they have paid the winners of the lottery and are paid what they should. It should be noted, the claimant who won the lottery had won the previous lottery in 2019 and was paid in full even though the lottery company suspected some irregularities in his game.

Actually we can't judge both of them, either the lottery company or the claimant of the lottery winner. we do not have more accurate information, especially the history of the establishment of this lottery company. it is very important to check the background of both parties to the dispute.
even if, the company must announce irregularities committed by the complainant who won the lottery. it will soon be proven at the judiciary. so, let's wait for the continuation of this case.

[Blawpaw]

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

thing is, if they say the game reports and registering is missing this should be their own responsibility as this is a thing that only the site can manage and that they should be lyable for any mistake and the winnings amount should be paid to the player with no questions asked. If they are trying to get away with it, they are simply trying to scam the player.

[Mr. Magkaisa]

Based on articles from the media that Op included, the gambling company said that their database was wiped out, now it is a question of how their database can be wiped out. The article also states that November 21 the trial will resume, so we can only wait until what decision will be given in this case.

 - That's what's also surprising, Sir, why was it suddenly erased or wiped out of the database, that's a bit questionable even from my angle.

As it happens, the lottery is making a way to not give the winnings of a winner in their game. But of course, I hope everything goes well for the

lottery winner. I think there are many of the members here in the forum here are waiting for the result of the trial this coming 21 of November.

[AicecreaME]

If there are really irregularities in the bet then they have the right not to pay the player, if the player believes he played in good faith and has not resorted to cheating then he has all the right to claim the money, based on the article its already in court so it's better that they wait for the decision.

For a company to be in charge in court on denying payment is not good for its reputation and the name will be further damaged if they are found guilty of denying payment, the government should step in to check if this company is holding its lottery in a fair manner.

I agree. If the casino or lottery company find irregularities in the bet made by the player, it is just right and just to deny the awarding of prize and forfeiting their entry. That is because any activity proven to be fraud or involving illegal activities shall be punished accordingly.

However, if there's none and the casino or lottery company is just finding way to escape their responsibility of awarding the prize to the winners, then they must pay the prize of deceiving the players and wasting their time. It is the responsibility of the company to always double check every entry that will be made and it's their duty to give the payment to whom it's due.

[herurist]

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Things like this probably have to be discussed further in court
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I think the same... there is only one way for solve this kind of issues.
get a lawyer (a good one) and go in court suing the lottery administrators.
I don't know in Lagos how it works for legal disputes but this is the only way to get an agreement.

Because it is very difficult to seek the truth when both parties feel they are right.
But on the other hand, when the court arrives, like it or not, the winning party has to spend money again so they can win in that case, because especially when talking about money, it is clear that the lottery still dominates. But as long as you are sure of the winner's evidence, then I think there is no need to be afraid of that, unless he really feels that he is committing fraud then court is not a good solution because it only adds to expenses.

[nakamura12]

If they will continue to accuse irregularities on the part of the winner, once the court proven that the winner deserves the prize, then surely the company will be in a big trouble as they will come to ruin their own reputation because of their irresponsible behavior. I guess companies like this will never succeed in the end, they might win in some cases but that won’t be happening the rest of the days.

If someone will push it to the court to prove that the company would face the consequences on not paying the winner. I am sure that you know that it will cost you money if you bring it to court but the result would surely be good for the winner and also to the future gamblers which will be use as a caution that the company cannot be trusted.

[lionheart78]

These are 2 defenses from each side. On the other hand, they do say that the winner is cheating when they win, if the evidence is not too strong, then indeed this can backfire and indeed they don't want anyone to win for various reasons.
Things like this probably have to be discussed further in court so that someone becomes an intermediary because if everything is related without a mediator it will only continue to say that all parties feel that they are right.

It isn't probably, but it will be brought to court since the lottery company doesn't want to pay the winner.  It is obvious that there is something wrong with the lottery company, and even accused the winner of irregularities because he also won in the early year in the same outlet.

My thought here is the company wanted to minimize their payment to the winners, even offering him money.  Look at how the incident develop

“I reported the matter at Area B, Apapa; they invited him, but he did not honor the invitation. So, Area B wrote to the lottery board and they had a series of meetings; they were asked to pay me.

“They offered me N10m and I rejected it. Then, we went to the Abuja national board and they offered me N13m, but I rejected it. Then, they went to Zone 2 and pleaded that they would pay me N20m; I also refused, before the matter was referred to the Director of Public Prosecutions for advice,” he added.

When asked if he had won from Green Lotto before, he said, “Yes, I won in 2019; I won over N40m and they paid me.”

The agent and Green Lotto were brought to court on June 6, 2022, over alleged stealing of N72,700,000.

There are a series of settlements offered by the lottery company but the player disagrees until it goes to court.  Now it looks like the lottery company found a escape goat and blame the agent of stealling the winning prize.

[bitbollo]

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Things like this probably have to be discussed further in court
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I think the same... there is only one way for solve this kind of issues.
get a lawyer (a good one) and go in court suing the lottery administrators.
I don't know in Lagos how it works for legal disputes but this is the only way to get an agreement.

Because it is very difficult to seek the truth when both parties feel they are right.
But on the other hand, when the court arrives, like it or not, the winning party has to spend money again so they can win in that case, because especially when talking about money, it is clear that the lottery still dominates. But as long as you are sure of the winner's evidence, then I think there is no need to be afraid of that, unless he really feels that he is committing fraud then court is not a good solution because it only adds to expenses.

when there is money "in the middle" everyone want to be right and do everything possible to defend their position. without a legal obligation (therefore in this case is a sort of coercion) they can just not paying and ask for a "legal battle".
By the way, the winner has suspect of cheating and he has already been attentioned... in a case like this a legal dispute is inevitable

[Fivestar4everMVP]

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

I read this news on the punch last month, the lottery company company vowed not to pay the winner his winning no matter what, and its disappointing how they are really mean about the whole thing, even telling the winner to take them to any court, that they still wont pay him.
As it is, I personally think it is hard to predict, what I do know right now is that this company is ready to spend money to make sure they don't pay this guy his winning, I am just waiting to see the outcome of the case, maybe if the guy wins the case, they are ready to close down their company instead of paying him, but if they win, they continue their business normally, but i dont see any way they are going to win the case without a prove that the lottery winner cheated.

[nakamura12]

I think it is better to put this on court so it will be fair for the both parties involve, if the company wins and their claims that the player is cheating since as per then he has a history of it then that man should not get is jackpot and also he must be banned in every casinos or gambling site and if the player is correct, that company should pay him as well and pay some damage fee because they are bigger entity than him.

I agree with you there which it is indeed fair for both parties to determine which side is lying and which side is telling the truth. It is hard to know if someone is telling the truth if the supposedly the victim is telling the truth and with evidence unlike if you are telling something without proof of backing up what you want to say. Let's say, you are a scammer and what proof do I have?, Nothing right?. It's also pointless to put it on court if you don't have proof in my opinion. It is much better if you can prove that they are not paying and a proof that no cheat are used.

[LUCKMCFLY]

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

What may be the irregularities the company is blaming the winner for. They seem just interested in denying the winner his prize, in my opinion. It seems strange to now accuse the winner of irregularities after they have been charged to court, after previously alleging that the system had deleted their winning data. Inquisitive investigation should be done by the court, and those who deserve it should receive justice.

So far, there is no definite and accurate information. we only read from Op's thread articles and posts, so in this case. I personally have to look at both sides in a balanced way, which is where both sides have their own claims.  In the end, the final decision will be made in court and both parties will have to prove it to win the case.

Any gambling sites that decided not to pay their customers maybe be getting it wrong and this might cause a bad omen that will make other gamblers to stop gambling on the platform. It is unfair for a gambling platform to decide not to pay their winners because the money won is huge. I know every gambling sites have their limit to what you can play and how much fund can be use be used. This is why if a player wins a big amount of money, he needed to be paid or the law enforcement should take care of this.

If you play on a site that decides not to pay the winnings that should be yours, then that site is a scam. So, you have to make sure that the casino you use has a credible reputation. and in our forum we have casinos that have a high reputation.

However, in this case. the lottery casino platforms had paid the man's winnings before. so, it's not like what you say here. this case has been in court, regarding the outcome, only the court can decide.

Well this is something that one also thinks the same, I am also in favor that if a casino does not pay as it should be at the time and invents things to not pay, I would also see it as a scam, of course it should be noted that we as players are always looking for the best casinos to be able to play, win, or it doesn't matter if you lose because what really matters is that you can enjoy yourself and if in fact a casino gives excuses like that it's because it tends to be a scam, you should also study very well the reasons given by the casino, although it is most likely a scam.

I am a person who always says that when a casino starts with so many excuses to pay an amount, one should totally get away from that.

[Genemind]

If there are really irregularities in the bet then they have the right not to pay the player, if the player believes he played in good faith and has not resorted to cheating then he has all the right to claim the money, based on the article its already in court so it's better that they wait for the decision.

For a company to be in charge in court on denying payment is not good for its reputation and the name will be further damaged if they are found guilty of denying payment, the government should step in to check if this company is holding its lottery in a fair manner.

I agree. If the casino or lottery company find irregularities in the bet made by the player, it is just right and just to deny the awarding of prize and forfeiting their entry. That is because any activity proven to be fraud or involving illegal activities shall be punished accordingly.

However, if there's none and the casino or lottery company is just finding way to escape their responsibility of awarding the prize to the winners, then they must pay the prize of deceiving the players and wasting their time. It is the responsibility of the company to always double check every entry that will be made and it's their duty to give the payment to whom it's due.

It is obvious that the lottery company is making excuses to pay the bettor his winnings. They offered him money when he went to report it to the police and when he filed a case to the court. The company is inconsistent with their excuse saying their database is deleted and soon accusing the winner with irregularities. I hope that the bettor wins the case so the lottery company can stop operating.

[serjent05]

They should announce what irregularity it is so that many people would know that there reason to void or to stop the winner to claim his winnings. If they cannot give good answer with this then maybe we can say that they are avoiding to pay that huge amount of money or they don't have enough funds to cover up that amount. That could ruin their reputation if things didn't well explain to the public.

The irregularity is something like winning several times in a row at the same outlet.  I don't know why they considered it irregularities while the victim had been playing and betting on that outlet for so many years.  It is common sense that the person will surely win on that same outlet because he always bet there.

It is obvious that the lottery company is making excuses to pay the bettor his winnings. They offered him money when he went to report it to the police and when he filed a case to the court. The company is inconsistent with their excuse saying their database is deleted and soon accusing the winner with irregularities. I hope that the bettor wins the case so the lottery company can stop operating.

True besides it is impossible for the information about the winning draw event has been deleted in normal circumstances.  Besides, I believe there is a central server where outlets put their information and backups so it is impossible for the records to get wiped out totally.  It is money and it is essential that all documents will have a backup in case a server becomes faulty.

[Mahanton]

If there are really irregularities in the bet then they have the right not to pay the player, if the player believes he played in good faith and has not resorted to cheating then he has all the right to claim the money, based on the article its already in court so it's better that they wait for the decision.

For a company to be in charge in court on denying payment is not good for its reputation and the name will be further damaged if they are found guilty of denying payment, the government should step in to check if this company is holding its lottery in a fair manner.

I agree. If the casino or lottery company find irregularities in the bet made by the player, it is just right and just to deny the awarding of prize and forfeiting their entry. That is because any activity proven to be fraud or involving illegal activities shall be punished accordingly.

However, if there's none and the casino or lottery company is just finding way to escape their responsibility of awarding the prize to the winners, then they must pay the prize of deceiving the players and wasting their time. It is the responsibility of the company to always double check every entry that will be made and it's their duty to give the payment to whom it's due.

It is obvious that the lottery company is making excuses to pay the bettor his winnings. They offered him money when he went to report it to the police and when he filed a case to the court. The company is inconsistent with their excuse saying their database is deleted and soon accusing the winner with irregularities. I hope that the bettor wins the case so the lottery company can stop operating.

With that alone, then you could really tell that they dont have any plans on giving the winning amount overall or in total which they are trying out to bribe you with those amount for some settlement for you to
stop on doing that legal action thing which does indicate that they arent paying at all or would really be just having no funds? There are only two probabilities but as a winner then you do have the full rights
on claiming those wins since you had played on a right way which it is really that something that belong to yours.This is the importance of things to consider out first
before depositing into a site or platform.So you should need to think up and decide the right way.

[goinmerry]

True besides it is impossible for the information about the winning draw event has been deleted in normal circumstances.  Besides, I believe there is a central server where outlets put their information and backups so it is impossible for the records to get wiped out totally.  It is money and it is essential that all documents will have a backup in case a server becomes faulty.

If there's a problem with the system especially related to databases or records which are considered very important stuff in a lottery, that would lead to a serious investigation because people's money is at risk. Since there's a bribed attempt, that means the system is running fine and smooth but it turned out that the lottery tried to at least turn the table upside down in their favor.

Since there's no shared progress or any update about the case, I just hoped that the case will be judged fairly as I'm sure an attempt to also bribed the authorities that handle the case do have a big possibility.

[Wakate]

I just came across another news,where the lottery company, has now come to a defense of its action for not paying the winner his winnings with claims that winner was involved in irregularities. And that around 2019 he won a huge sum of money from them and now another winner from same outlet which was suspicious to them.
https://leadership.ng/lagos-lottery-coy-says-claimant-of-n72-2m-win-engaged-in-irregularities/

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

They should announce what irregularity it is so that many people would know that there reason to void or to stop the winner to claim his winnings. If they cannot give good answer with this then maybe we can say that they are avoiding to pay that huge amount of money or they don't have enough funds to cover up that amount. That could ruin their reputation if things didn't well explain to the public.

This is one of the major problems of some crypto casinos when it comes to paying winners there funds. Although I don't always blame most casinos because they may not have the fund to pay the winner mostly when the fund is very big. This is a game if luck and I think anybody that grab the luck need to be paid. It is not that easy for a casino that has small fund in there reserve to big such big amount of money but they needed to negotiate with the winner so that the matter will not go viral for people to tarnish the image of the casino. Wisdom need to be applicable here not waiting to go to court.

[blockman]

I agree with you there which it is indeed fair for both parties to determine which side is lying and which side is telling the truth. It is hard to know if someone is telling the truth if the supposedly the victim is telling the truth and with evidence unlike if you are telling something without proof of backing up what you want to say.

When it's already in the court, both of them can still lie but the one who's telling the truth will prevail. They can't lie to the court if there's evidence of whom is telling the court. Where can we see the progress and updates for this case?

Let's say, you are a scammer and what proof do I have?, Nothing right?. It's also pointless to put it on court if you don't have proof in my opinion. It is much better if you can prove that they are not paying and a proof that no cheat are used.

The complainant can ask for an investigation to look after their system if there really is an irregularity that has happened during the time he's won big.