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Question: Who will win?
Tank Davis - 35 (74.5%)
Ryan Garcia - 12 (25.5%)
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Author Topic: [Boxing] Tank Davis vs. Ryan Garcia betting and discussion (May, 2023)  (Read 7476 times)
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April 28, 2023, 06:52:27 PM
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Yes, Tank is better than Garcia. This should not only silence Garcia in trash-talking against Tank, he should also be silenced in some of his arrogant trash-talks about him being the king, having been defeated by no other boxer, etc. He is defeated. He is even knocked out. And the knock out was humiliating in a sense because he was the one who refused to stand up, even if it was impossible to stand up. That is already something to some fans and opponents.

Although we can say now that Garcia is not on Tank's level, I really wonder where Garcia now if he hadn't faced all those challenges in his life which distracted his focus on boxing and affected his entire career.
Nah, he'll be alright. He didn't look disappointed after the fight, and he knew inside that Tank is really a tough fighter and that he could lose. We hate him because of his trash-talking ability, but in reality, that's what you call effective marketing on his side. So let's just hope for the best for Garcia, who suffered his first defeat. I'm confident that he'll come back strong soon!

I think Ryan should change his trainer he put up a very bad game plan, Roy Jones summarizes it by questioning who told Ryan to stalk a puncher like Davis, is it Goosen his trainer or he just acted on his own, Ryan has to change the way he boxes the head is always stationary he has a big left hook fighter who lacks ring generalship.
I believe Ryan still has a future in boxing but it is hard for him to be as great as his idol Manny Pacquiao, he will meet another highly technical boxer with a good ring generalship and power punch in the future and he should prepare for it, now he knows what's like to fight in a big fight like this, he is 0 title against a guy who is 12 - 0 in a title fight, so the result is pretty obvious.

That's what I have thought as well, maybe Goosen did a poor job on training or at least putting up a strategy on this fight against Davis. Although in the pre fight conference, he said that they have plan A and plan B.

However, we don't know if Ryan bypass it and just went with his own strategy which is to stalk a puncher like Tank and that his is downfall. His family is pretty close to Goosen though, then know each other so not sure if the Garcia's will look for another trainer or not. Remember that he was under the wing of Reynoso before he shift to Goosen in his last 3 fights.

Taking this loss as a good learning path to his career,

so instead of changing trainer better to try finding what's lacking him and adjust to be more prepared in case he will face another fighter with the same level as Tank or possible if a rematch may take place.

Improving needs time and it will be a good timing for him and Goosen to work it out and try to focus and stay
with what's the fight plan if in case he tries using his own strategy.

Yes indeed no need to change his trainer since he will adjust on new learnings again so better improve things that needed to work on. Its just one lost and he can still work more with that to learn a lot of things om what he experience from davis, he need to grow up since that fight reminds him that there are more better fighter than him.
Improvement really takes time but Garcia is talented fighter so for sure he can adjust and became more wiser after his unfortunate match.

Well, I think both Ryan Garcia and Goosen made a mistake because they didn't prepared for that fight well but they expected a different outcome. Goosen should've planted into Ryan Garcia's thick head that he should use his size advantage because Tank Davis will definitely have a hard time landing a good clean punch if he cannot reach Ryan, but what happened was the exact opposite because it's Ryan who adjusted to give Tank the control of the fight, which explains why Tank didn't have any hard time giving Ryan a good counter punch that knocked him down in two separate rounds.

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April 28, 2023, 08:41:42 PM
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Well, I think both Ryan Garcia and Goosen made a mistake because they didn't prepared for that fight well but they expected a different outcome. Goosen should've planted into Ryan Garcia's thick head that he should use his size advantage because Tank Davis will definitely have a hard time landing a good clean punch if he cannot reach Ryan, but what happened was the exact opposite because it's Ryan who adjusted to give Tank the control of the fight, which explains why Tank didn't have any hard time giving Ryan a good counter punch that knocked him down in two separate rounds.

Right because if only Ryan Garcia and his team made the right adjustment, they could've at least give Gervonta Davis a hard time rather than getting KO'd as early as 2nd round because of overcommitting rather than to wait patiently until Gervonta Davis will make the mistake for reaching Ryan Garcia. I clearly expected that after that incident, Ryan Garcia will try to clear his head because that move was obviously a mistake and would be cautious enough next time but he committed the same mistake again.

Anyway, Ryan Garcia already said that he's moving up while Tank might face the winner of Loma-Haney fight. Whatever it is, let's talk about that in a different thread because I think it's time for this discussion to be close.

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April 28, 2023, 10:04:04 PM
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Gervonta Davis-Ryan Garcia: Approximately 1.2M PPV Buys; $22.8M In Ticket Revenue

We all knew that Davis vs Garcia was a great success but it also exceeded the expectation of some in terms of pay-per-view, especially in the US.

Have read an article that even if it only generated 450k to 750k view, it would still be a success but damn that 1.2 millions views was massive if that was an accurate figure they gave there. I wonder how much money if that views were translated in dollars and how much share would Garcia and Davis would get from it.

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April 28, 2023, 10:32:00 PM
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Yes indeed no need to change his trainer since he will adjust on new learnings again so better improve things that needed to work on. Its just one lost and he can still work more with that to learn a lot of things om what he experience from davis, he need to grow up since that fight reminds him that there are more better fighter than him.
Improvement really takes time but Garcia is talented fighter so for sure he can adjust and became more wiser after his unfortunate match.

Well, I think both Ryan Garcia and Goosen made a mistake because they didn't prepared for that fight well but they expected a different outcome. Goosen should've planted into Ryan Garcia's thick head that he should use his size advantage because Tank Davis will definitely have a hard time landing a good clean punch if he cannot reach Ryan, but what happened was the exact opposite because it's Ryan who adjusted to give Tank the control of the fight, which explains why Tank didn't have any hard time giving Ryan a good counter punch that knocked him down in two separate rounds.

Ryan Garcia is too eager to KO Davis and relies heavily on his hook.  Davis had expected it so he is prepared and read the situation very well.  The counter that KD Ryan Garcia on the second round was so beautiful to watch.  It is almost a hidden punch that most viewers have not seen(thankfully there is a replay).

With regards to the trainer, I also think that the trainer had wasted the advantages of Ryan Garcia.  He should have practiced Ryan Garcia of evading tactics where Ryan is the one back pedalling instead of moving forward.  Even though Davis planned to backpedal so that he can easily move forward to lessen the distance, Ryan should have not taken those bait instead he should have planted his feet not moving forward and wait for Davis instead to initiate.

But what happened happens.  It shows the immaturity of Ryan Garcia and the incapability of his training camp of setting a good strategy against a skilled and High IQ boxer.
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April 28, 2023, 11:04:01 PM
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Ryan Garcia is too eager to KO Davis and relies heavily on his hook.  Davis had expected it so he is prepared and read the situation very well.  The counter that KD Ryan Garcia on the second round was so beautiful to watch.  It is almost a hidden punch that most viewers have not seen(thankfully there is a replay).

With regards to the trainer, I also think that the trainer had wasted the advantages of Ryan Garcia.  He should have practiced Ryan Garcia of evading tactics where Ryan is the one back pedalling instead of moving forward.  Even though Davis planned to backpedal so that he can easily move forward to lessen the distance, Ryan should have not taken those bait instead he should have planted his feet not moving forward and wait for Davis instead to initiate.

But what happened happens.  It shows the immaturity of Ryan Garcia and the incapability of his training camp of setting a good strategy against a skilled and High IQ boxer.
Not just the IQ of Tank Davis, he set it all up and played mind games with Ryan Garcia before the game which he bought and that's what made the difference. It is true, he was too eager to land his left hook that he forgot to put some space against the champion. The jabs too, became lesser and lesser as the fight progressed. I think the knockdown shook his confidence and that made him scared to be countered again if ever he throws a punch. Again, with the mind games of Davis even inside the ring.

When will be the time they will put a microphone near the fighters? I saw Davis saying a lot of things against Garcia but it's difficult to read lips. Perhaps, some trash talk to make Garcia angry and lose his temper.  Cheesy

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April 28, 2023, 11:57:06 PM
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Ryan Garcia is too eager to KO Davis and relies heavily on his hook.  Davis had expected it so he is prepared and read the situation very well.  The counter that KD Ryan Garcia on the second round was so beautiful to watch.  It is almost a hidden punch that most viewers have not seen(thankfully there is a replay).

With regards to the trainer, I also think that the trainer had wasted the advantages of Ryan Garcia.  He should have practiced Ryan Garcia of evading tactics where Ryan is the one back pedalling instead of moving forward.  Even though Davis planned to backpedal so that he can easily move forward to lessen the distance, Ryan should have not taken those bait instead he should have planted his feet not moving forward and wait for Davis instead to initiate.

But what happened happens.  It shows the immaturity of Ryan Garcia and the incapability of his training camp of setting a good strategy against a skilled and High IQ boxer.
Not just the IQ of Tank Davis, he set it all up and played mind games with Ryan Garcia before the game which he bought and that's what made the difference. It is true, he was too eager to land his left hook that he forgot to put some space against the champion. The jabs too, became lesser and lesser as the fight progressed. I think the knockdown shook his confidence and that made him scared to be countered again if ever he throws a punch. Again, with the mind games of Davis even inside the ring.

Yeah, Ryan Garcia was outplayed by Tank Davis wits  Grin

When will be the time they will put a microphone near the fighters? I saw Davis saying a lot of things against Garcia but it's difficult to read lips. Perhaps, some trash talk to make Garcia angry and lose his temper.  Cheesy

This is an interesting query but I think it won't happen because putting mics on the player may cause an accident that can incapacitate a boxer and worst end his career.  It is obvious that Davis is provoking Garcia which I think plays a huge part in Garcia's changing strategy from using jabs to a more aggressive approach of throwing a barrage of hooks.  I think the possible method to know what the players are saying is to implement overhead mics that follow the players movement.
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April 29, 2023, 12:51:28 AM
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Gervonta Davis-Ryan Garcia: Approximately 1.2M PPV Buys; $22.8M In Ticket Revenue

We all knew that Davis vs Garcia was a great success but it also exceeded the expectation of some in terms of pay-per-view, especially in the US.

Have read an article that even if it only generated 450k to 750k view, it would still be a success but damn that 1.2 millions views was massive if that was an accurate figure they gave there. I wonder how much money if that views were translated in dollars and how much share would Garcia and Davis would get from it.

I agree, people demanded this fight, and so they watch it. So no surprised that it has generated that huge money for the boxers, promoters and networks. So if they can generate this huge numbers, just imagine Crawford vs Spence. But I guess they wanted more though, maybe guaranteed $10-$20 million first before they face each other.

Anyway, we might not see another fight of this magnitude, at least the hype and the buzz that it generates to casual and hard core boxing fans. Although there will be a Canelo fight next month, but it will be in Mexico so expect great live gates and PPV Buys.

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April 29, 2023, 11:12:26 AM
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Gervonta Davis-Ryan Garcia: Approximately 1.2M PPV Buys; $22.8M In Ticket Revenue

We all knew that Davis vs Garcia was a great success but it also exceeded the expectation of some in terms of pay-per-view, especially in the US.

Have read an article that even if it only generated 450k to 750k view, it would still be a success but damn that 1.2 millions views was massive if that was an accurate figure they gave there. I wonder how much money if that views were translated in dollars and how much share would Garcia and Davis would get from it.

If my math is right, 1.2 buys x $84.99 (price of PPV) = $101,988,000. But there could be tax and other liabilities that they have to pay to others. But still as you have said, only Canelo Alvarez can get that numbers in his fights.

As far as what Davis and Garcia would be getting, who knows, the numbers are not yet in public, but I will assume that maybe in the tune of $10 million and up as guaranteed price for either of them. So this could be the biggest paycheck for Tank and Ryan for sure.

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Gervonta Davis-Ryan Garcia: Approximately 1.2M PPV Buys; $22.8M In Ticket Revenue

We all knew that Davis vs Garcia was a great success but it also exceeded the expectation of some in terms of pay-per-view, especially in the US.

Have read an article that even if it only generated 450k to 750k view, it would still be a success but damn that 1.2 millions views was massive if that was an accurate figure they gave there. I wonder how much money if that views were translated in dollars and how much share would Garcia and Davis would get from it.

As per this article:

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The WBA regular lightweight champion Gervonta Davis is set to earn a guaranteed fight purse of $5 million and 50% of the pay-per-view shares for the event. In total, 'Tank' is expected to take home a total of around $10 million.

His opponent Garcia is set to earn a guaranteed purse of $2.5 million. However, his actual payout will be much higher since he is expected to have a 50 percent stake in the pay-per-view numbers. The former WBC interim lightweight champion might see a pay-day of nearly $5 million.

https://www.sportskeeda.com/pro-boxing/news-how-much-gervonta-davis-make-ryan-garcia-here-s-estimate-fight-purse

Guaranteed purse for Tank = $5 million
Guaranteed purse for Ryan = $2.5 million

And then both of them will be getting 50% in the pay-per-view numbers. And since the fight produces one of the best pay-per-view numbers this year at 1.2 buys, it could really equate into big money for Ryan and Tank. So I guess that will be the consolation for Ryan Garcia, getting huge money in this fight even if he lost.
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April 29, 2023, 01:27:16 PM
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...And with that win, I shoot up Tank to be my #1 p4p list, followed by Naoya Inoue.

How about everyone? What do you think of Tank's performance here, are you with me ranking him the top p4p boxer right now?
Jeez, mate! You need to relax and take a breath. You just got carried away by the popularity of Tank and Garcia. Tank just beat another undefeated prospect. Only that it is more popular than his previous cherry-picked opponents. Garcia is not a world champion. Tommy Fury beating popular Jake Paul doesn't mean he is on the same level as champions Opetaia, Okolie, etc.

Tank's never been in The Ring's and Transnational Boxing Rankings Board's top 10 pound-for-pound. And his win against another undefeated yet unproven and non-champion Ryan Garcia won't merit an entrance to the top 10 let alone at rank 1.

No, I'm not, that's how I see it though, but at least let Tank be in the top 10 now. I just check Ring's list of p4p and I saw Juan Francisco Estrada at number 10. Nevertheless, might be the start for Tank to really up his opposition, maybe he should really fight the winner of Loma vs Haney.

Barring boxing politics and network affiliation, this could easily be made. Although Tank was asked this question if I'm not mistaken, but he didn't answer it directly. While Haney said he is willing to fight Tank next. Let's see how it goes, as I have said, this performance will at least break him in the top 10, IMHO. Josh Taylor is number 9 when he has a very close fight with Jack Catterall and almost lost that fight.

I cannot really imagine how Tank can enter the top 10. His resume is just too weak that he is not even worth mentioning in the top 15. Tank is only a 1 division champion, that's it. And he was not the lineal champ when he became a champ at 130. He's never been in a unification fight. His best win was over former champ Jose Pedraza where Tank took the IBF belt. The best name in his resume was Yuriorkis Gamboa but that was not the quality version of Gamboa. Or maybe Leo Santa Cruz, a 4 division champion. LSC though despite being a 4 division champion will never be mentioned among the greats since he was a product of politics and corruption. Probably the only fighter that was given the privilege to fight for the vacant belt in 4 divisions.

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Although recently, Tank is not listed by Ring as number 10 now. Maybe they just updated it to include Tank and removed Juan Francisco Estrada, and this is the first time that Tank is making it on the top 10.

Maybe he will start to climb in the ranks now, depending on who he is going to face next. I know that p4p list is very dubious and it's very different across, SI lists include David Benavidez, Shakur Stevenson and Devin Haney. So we can argue that those should not be in the list as well, specially David Benavidez. So I guess the organization that released their list could have some reasoning behind them.

SI, ESPN, Boxrec, Boxingscene, etc. are just garbage rankings. The pound-for-pound and lineal champions should come from an organization without politics and affiliations which is why The Ring was called the bible of boxing and which is why the TBRB should now be considered the most credible. Maybe only hardcore fans will get this. 

You haven't seen the career of El Gallo then mate. Tank is nowhere near the achievements of that Mexican. If pound for pound is based on popularity then Tommy Fury, Jake Paul, Edgar Berlanga, etc. are in the top 10. But what is it with Ryan Garcia that its conqueror all of a sudden deserves a top 10 ranking?

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April 29, 2023, 04:08:32 PM
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Well, I think both Ryan Garcia and Goosen made a mistake because they didn't prepared for that fight well but they expected a different outcome. Goosen should've planted into Ryan Garcia's thick head that he should use his size advantage because Tank Davis will definitely have a hard time landing a good clean punch if he cannot reach Ryan, but what happened was the exact opposite because it's Ryan who adjusted to give Tank the control of the fight, which explains why Tank didn't have any hard time giving Ryan a good counter punch that knocked him down in two separate rounds.

Right because if only Ryan Garcia and his team made the right adjustment, they could've at least give Gervonta Davis a hard time rather than getting KO'd as early as 2nd round because of overcommitting rather than to wait patiently until Gervonta Davis will make the mistake for reaching Ryan Garcia. I clearly expected that after that incident, Ryan Garcia will try to clear his head because that move was obviously a mistake and would be cautious enough next time but he committed the same mistake again.

Anyway, Ryan Garcia already said that he's moving up while Tank might face the winner of Loma-Haney fight. Whatever it is, let's talk about that in a different thread because I think it's time for this discussion to be close.
As I think during the early rounds or let's say in round 1 and 2 Ryan Garcia thinking that he can handle Davis smoothly but not gonna work as we all know that tank Davis is unstoppable once he hit a good spot and that's what he doing while he fighting Ryan Garcia and in round 2 he hit Ryan a good hit and made Ryan to knocked down his knees but Tank Davis will continue what he started and every round Ryan Garcia feel getting worst.

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April 29, 2023, 05:01:01 PM
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Gervonta Davis-Ryan Garcia: Approximately 1.2M PPV Buys; $22.8M In Ticket Revenue

We all knew that Davis vs Garcia was a great success but it also exceeded the expectation of some in terms of pay-per-view, especially in the US.

Have read an article that even if it only generated 450k to 750k view, it would still be a success but damn that 1.2 millions views was massive if that was an accurate figure they gave there. I wonder how much money if that views were translated in dollars and how much share would Garcia and Davis would get from it.

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The WBA regular lightweight champion Gervonta Davis is set to earn a guaranteed fight purse of $5 million and 50% of the pay-per-view shares for the event. In total, 'Tank' is expected to take home a total of around $10 million.

His opponent Garcia is set to earn a guaranteed purse of $2.5 million. However, his actual payout will be much higher since he is expected to have a 50 percent stake in the pay-per-view numbers. The former WBC interim lightweight champion might see a pay-day of nearly $5 million.

https://www.sportskeeda.com/pro-boxing/news-how-much-gervonta-davis-make-ryan-garcia-here-s-estimate-fight-purse

Guaranteed purse for Tank = $5 million
Guaranteed purse for Ryan = $2.5 million

And then both of them will be getting 50% in the pay-per-view numbers. And since the fight produces one of the best pay-per-view numbers this year at 1.2 buys, it could really equate into big money for Ryan and Tank. So I guess that will be the consolation for Ryan Garcia, getting huge money in this fight even if he lost.

Just like I've mentioned few days ago, it's a win-win situation for Ryan Garcia because regardless of the outcome, this bout will give him the biggest paycheck so far. Where could he possibly find that guaranteed $2.5 Million if he's not facing Tank Davis and he could roughly earn as much as $5 to $6 Million (including the PPV buys). But aside from that, I'm curious how much did Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Oscar Dela Hoya earned from this bout as they are the mastermind behind this event.

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April 29, 2023, 05:10:57 PM
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This fight surely had it's share of drama.  Between Tank Davis claiming that people were trying to rub steroid cream on him in order to get him to fail a test, to Tank having a mole in Ryan Garcia's camp giving him information, to Ryan Garcia having an injury he suffered in training...  Not to mention the violence charge Davis was facing...  Then the bet for the purse...  Ryan Garcia wanting to be Tank Davis' friend afterwards...  This was one of the more unusual fights in recent memory.  It seemed to me that the drama surrounding the fight was bigger than the fight itself.

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But what happened happens.  It shows the immaturity of Ryan Garcia and the incapability of his training camp of setting a good strategy against a skilled and High IQ boxer.

Overall, they literally failed on every aspect of their run to defeat Tank Davis.

I even honestly thought that the fight would be interesting enough to see where we can see both boxers struggling while finding the right rhythm to give a good punch, but was we saw was just a one-sided fight, not because Tank was wiser but because Ryan Garcia didn't approached Tank with a caution and most certainly, he didn't adjust on what's need for him to take control of the fight.

Immature is indeed the right word for that, Ryan Garcia has become an amateur boxer in-front of Tank Davis.

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we can only assess the fight after this is over. so we can't judge garcia this early on how he will perform inside the ring. since he is being challenged by davis, he may still have something under his sleeves and let's see if those will come out inside the ring.
garcia knows he is the underdog on this fight. so he may surprise us during the fight.

With him getting this huge challenge such as this one, it's really obvious that he is practicing a counterattack that will gonna successfully land on Davis and that's the thing I really wanted to see from him. We may not gonna see this fight reaching the last rounds since both are known to be huge power punchers and can actually surprise us with their unique techniques to win this fight. I hope it will be turned out just how we thought would be and surely it will have a second fight if they can give each other a hard time. Maybe Garcia is the underdog in this fight but we cannot be sure if he is still one if they have a rematch.
I think that Davis is a great boxer, but saying that Garcia is going to lose or that he has already lost should not be, the fact that someone is underestimated can give him the necessary strength to shut everyone up, and this instead of giving him a bad feeling omen they are Driving him to win, of course I say this from the basic point of view as an athlete, and if there are already Other things that influence such as the Business model (we do not know what proposals they have received, because now things are like that) well,This is out of everyone's hands and it is more difficult because it is a delicate matter and one that few dare to say.



Gervonta Davis Wins Boxing Bout But Allows Ryan Garcia To Keep $5M Bet



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On Saturday, a one-punch knockout won Gervonta “Tank” Davis the title match at the T-Mobile Arena in Las Vegas. Davis also won a $10 million purse and the earnings of his opponent Ryan Garcia. The undefeated Baltimore champ was gracious enough to allow Garcia to keep his $5 million bag, according to the prizefighter’s comments during a post-match interview.

Source: https://www.blackenterprise.com/gervonta-davis-boxing-bet/

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Gervonta Davis Wins Boxing Bout But Allows Ryan Garcia To Keep $5M Bet



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On Saturday, a one-punch knockout won Gervonta “Tank” Davis the title match at the T-Mobile Arena in Las Vegas. Davis also won a $10 million purse and the earnings of his opponent Ryan Garcia. The undefeated Baltimore champ was gracious enough to allow Garcia to keep his $5 million bag, according to the prizefighter’s comments during a post-match interview.

Source: https://www.blackenterprise.com/gervonta-davis-boxing-bet/


On their conference before the fight, they already cleared that there is no winner take all things in the fight so it is obvious that Ryan Garcia will get his share.  Although before the final conference, there is a circulating rumor on social media that the loser will lose everything including the pot money, it was cleared when the host asked both fighters about it and both fighter state that the winner will not take the loser's pot[1].  So obviously Davis has no right to take Garcia's shares.



[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSoS3EnRDMM

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April 30, 2023, 06:19:10 PM
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This fight surely had it's share of drama.  Between Tank Davis claiming that people were trying to rub steroid cream on him in order to get him to fail a test, to Tank having a mole in Ryan Garcia's camp giving him information, to Ryan Garcia having an injury he suffered in training...  Not to mention the violence charge Davis was facing...  Then the bet for the purse...  Ryan Garcia wanting to be Tank Davis' friend afterwards...  This was one of the more unusual fights in recent memory.  It seemed to me that the drama surrounding the fight was bigger than the fight itself.

Controversies, trash-talking, and some other stuff can only hype and make the fight more popular and bigger. Ryan Garcia is a social media influencer and Tank Davis is PBC's biggest star so the drama made the event even bigger. Some of those are probably fake.

IIRC, this fight is the biggest non-title fight in boxing history after Mayweather vs McGregor. PPV buys were 1.2 to 1.4 million and live gate racked up $20 million. If the event grossed around $130 million, Tank could end up earning $20 to $40 million.

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April 30, 2023, 11:35:54 PM
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...And with that win, I shoot up Tank to be my #1 p4p list, followed by Naoya Inoue.

How about everyone? What do you think of Tank's performance here, are you with me ranking him the top p4p boxer right now?
Jeez, mate! You need to relax and take a breath. You just got carried away by the popularity of Tank and Garcia. Tank just beat another undefeated prospect. Only that it is more popular than his previous cherry-picked opponents. Garcia is not a world champion. Tommy Fury beating popular Jake Paul doesn't mean he is on the same level as champions Opetaia, Okolie, etc.

Tank's never been in The Ring's and Transnational Boxing Rankings Board's top 10 pound-for-pound. And his win against another undefeated yet unproven and non-champion Ryan Garcia won't merit an entrance to the top 10 let alone at rank 1.

No, I'm not, that's how I see it though, but at least let Tank be in the top 10 now. I just check Ring's list of p4p and I saw Juan Francisco Estrada at number 10. Nevertheless, might be the start for Tank to really up his opposition, maybe he should really fight the winner of Loma vs Haney.

Barring boxing politics and network affiliation, this could easily be made. Although Tank was asked this question if I'm not mistaken, but he didn't answer it directly. While Haney said he is willing to fight Tank next. Let's see how it goes, as I have said, this performance will at least break him in the top 10, IMHO. Josh Taylor is number 9 when he has a very close fight with Jack Catterall and almost lost that fight.

I cannot really imagine how Tank can enter the top 10. His resume is just too weak that he is not even worth mentioning in the top 15. Tank is only a 1 division champion, that's it. And he was not the lineal champ when he became a champ at 130. He's never been in a unification fight. His best win was over former champ Jose Pedraza where Tank took the IBF belt. The best name in his resume was Yuriorkis Gamboa but that was not the quality version of Gamboa. Or maybe Leo Santa Cruz, a 4 division champion. LSC though despite being a 4 division champion will never be mentioned among the greats since he was a product of politics and corruption. Probably the only fighter that was given the privilege to fight for the vacant belt in 4 divisions.

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Although recently, Tank is not listed by Ring as number 10 now. Maybe they just updated it to include Tank and removed Juan Francisco Estrada, and this is the first time that Tank is making it on the top 10.

Maybe he will start to climb in the ranks now, depending on who he is going to face next. I know that p4p list is very dubious and it's very different across, SI lists include David Benavidez, Shakur Stevenson and Devin Haney. So we can argue that those should not be in the list as well, specially David Benavidez. So I guess the organization that released their list could have some reasoning behind them.

SI, ESPN, Boxrec, Boxingscene, etc. are just garbage rankings. The pound-for-pound and lineal champions should come from an organization without politics and affiliations which is why The Ring was called the bible of boxing and which is why the TBRB should now be considered the most credible. Maybe only hardcore fans will get this. 

That's the thing, there are no organizations that is not biased to the pound for pound rankings, everyone has it's narrative behind posting their list and that we can't just trust one list because it's going to be different. That's why Davis could be inserted in the list and then removed others.

You haven't seen the career of El Gallo then mate. Tank is nowhere near the achievements of that Mexican. If pound for pound is based on popularity then Tommy Fury, Jake Paul, Edgar Berlanga, etc. are in the top 10. But what is it with Ryan Garcia that its conqueror all of a sudden deserves a top 10 ranking?

I never said that El Gallo is not a great fighter or never watch his career, it was them who drop him. Maybe because he has been not been active after his big win against Chocolatito, and that's why the list is constantly updated as new fighters who put a great performance might be included and then others too. We might see changes in the ranking after the Loma vs Haney fight. Or maybe Canelo solidifying his performance if he made a statement win John Ryder.

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May 01, 2023, 10:58:30 AM
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This fight surely had it's share of drama.  Between Tank Davis claiming that people were trying to rub steroid cream on him in order to get him to fail a test, to Tank having a mole in Ryan Garcia's camp giving him information, to Ryan Garcia having an injury he suffered in training...  Not to mention the violence charge Davis was facing...  Then the bet for the purse...  Ryan Garcia wanting to be Tank Davis' friend afterwards...  This was one of the more unusual fights in recent memory.  It seemed to me that the drama surrounding the fight was bigger than the fight itself.

Controversies, trash-talking, and some other stuff can only hype and make the fight more popular and bigger. Ryan Garcia is a social media influencer and Tank Davis is PBC's biggest star so the drama made the event even bigger. Some of those are probably fake.

IIRC, this fight is the biggest non-title fight in boxing history after Mayweather vs McGregor. PPV buys were 1.2 to 1.4 million and live gate racked up $20 million. If the event grossed around $130 million, Tank could end up earning $20 to $40 million.

Good point as they really created a good interest for both PPV and live viewers, fans bite that trash talking and the outcome favors both
fighters and the promoters.

I like the way they sell the event and how they perform during the fight, even its smell like scripted but with how they fought inside the ring
that's what is important, they really provide the entertainment that fans would love to see between them.

Decent amount of pay checks for both camps, fully enough to enjoy their millions after the fight.
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May 01, 2023, 11:14:51 AM
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This fight surely had it's share of drama.  Between Tank Davis claiming that people were trying to rub steroid cream on him in order to get him to fail a test, to Tank having a mole in Ryan Garcia's camp giving him information, to Ryan Garcia having an injury he suffered in training...  Not to mention the violence charge Davis was facing...  Then the bet for the purse...  Ryan Garcia wanting to be Tank Davis' friend afterwards...  This was one of the more unusual fights in recent memory.  It seemed to me that the drama surrounding the fight was bigger than the fight itself.

I think we've seen rivals becoming friends in boxing, and maybe it was just Floyd who didn't make friends with his opponent. Manny Pacquiao for example, rivalry with Erik Morales and Marco Antonio Barrera, but after all what's  been said and done in the ring, they've been closed throughout. Even Erik and Manny has commercials in the Philippines if my memory serves me right.

So yeah, not surprised by Ryan talking to Tank and getting his numbers. Or Ryan's mom hugging Tank Davis after the fight. And maybe it was the people behind them who really wanted to create all the drama to hype and they succeeded as it become the most watch fight this year.
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