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December 07, 2022, 08:27:15 AM
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I sit-down to wonder why traders who are consistent in trading and also investing still remain very broke despite the effort they put to erradicating poverty,but it still seems like there is some sort of unforseen and spiritual forces controlling the physical.Or should it be foundational curse from the forefathers affecting the present circumstances?or is it that the poverty is inherited? Or is it a gene or chromosome?.These are questions that that I tend to ask.
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I'm not sure if those who fail in investing and trading have reached a point of consistency. If the current business doesn't get them to improve financially, then it's not the business for them. It would be better to think about business alternatives soon

Spiritual matter? Depends on who you ask for opinion. There are some traditions (such as the Chinese) that believe in myths about one's economy.

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December 07, 2022, 10:11:28 AM
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If you trade and not making profits but losses, it is not because of any spiritual curse, people that are not cursed can also lose during trading. I do say that trading is not gambling, but it is gambling to some people because they do not learn the fundamentals and not following the right strategie. In addition, trading is very risky which makes it similar to gambling.

Trading should not be to eliminate poverty, someone with $100 can think that way, that he can earn like $10 or more daily if go for over 10x leverage, making the trader to take trades that are riskier and resulting to losses.

If you want to trade and make profit, do not think it as a means of making money, see it an an additional opportunity of making money which is not necessary, this will help you have quality mindset towards trading.

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December 07, 2022, 11:03:49 AM
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Well this question seems little bit funny somehow meaning to it
first i must say whenever your heart is positive towards making progress nothing on Earth would ever limit you, not even a foundational curses could limits you. Always try channel your mind, thinking and reasoning on how to make increase and progress in everything you are doing. Applying much greed sometimes somehow limits you from getting to the next level, so it's better to live a pure heart then accept whatever you trade out or even from your investments.

Lastly check if you are best suited to be a trader, otherwise i would suggest you to look something else to do.. you could be good in other areas of life which you think is better for you to do than just trying your best to trade and be losing money.

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December 07, 2022, 12:32:34 PM
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There are also levels of consistency and effort. Yesterday I saw a video on Youtube where a group of fishermen vloggers came to a realization. These fishermen were complaining that they need about an hour of effort to reach their fishing grounds and another hour to go home yet they aren't getting a lot. Yesterday they were invited by another group of fishermen vloggers (with over a million subscribers) so they visited them. They were informed that those fishermen vloggers with over a million subscribers will travel 2 to 3 hours just to reach a fishing ground and with the same hours going back. My point is those who made the extra mile will be rewarded more for their efforts. Trading and investing aren't just purely technical, it is psychological as well. Years before, I met someone online who's been making thousands of dollars with his daily trades. He told me that his skills and emotions are the products of months of sleepless nights over the years and that he read nearly a hundred books on trading.

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December 07, 2022, 12:48:43 PM
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Imo investing and trading are all about psychology and strategy. Intelligence might play a small part but it is not necessary. If you are the type who is good at solving problems you will probably produce a good strategy. The psychology part takes time and practice, aswell as life experience
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December 07, 2022, 01:35:51 PM
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Doesn't trading & investing require patience to gain profits and one can become rich, I see many of my friends who are successful in trading & investing in the crypto market, in fact their ancestors were basically poor, in my friend's family he is the richest and most successful since he was involved in the crypto world, was it inherited, of course not.

I think someone's success lies in themselves, if they stick to the belief that what they do will be successful in the future, of course they will get the best.

Never be too ambitious and get rich quick in crypto trading & investment, do it step by step to do it, that way you will have good results for your trading, remember the crypto market from experience, it always rises at a predetermined time, seasonally.

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December 07, 2022, 01:51:52 PM
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If you ask me is poverty inherited or hereditary? I would say no. Because actually we are given something that we must use to get out of the poverty line, one of which is the brain (thinking).
If we are still broke in trading or investing, it means that something is still wrong, and we have to learn again what the problem really is, why we always fail and go bankrupt. As long as we are still willing to learn about it, I'm sure we will find things that might become obstacles in what we do, in this case trading and investing. But if someone says that nothing is wrong, I would say that person is lazy enough to see where things go wrong.

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Funny topic, trading is based on practice and skills, there are no inheritance involved here. Having parents who have experience in trading might build the kids to better traders, but that is about it.

Learning trading on your own means having to "waste" a lot on the learning curve. That is like the tuition fee of getting to know the basics of trading. Of course  dummy trading will solve this problem.

Still one needs to work a lot on their emotions and skills to become a good trader. Not every mindset can be a good trader.

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Everyone understands that the size of investments is of primary importance and, accordingly, the profit will vary greatly between those who invested $100 and those who invested a million. In addition, here the loss of half of the investment for those who have a million will be less catastrophic than the loss of half for those with a small deposit.

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This is funny to read. Your post looks seemingly like a trader who is frustrated in it. At every point in trading, a trader can get to that level of frustration but if the trader enjoys what he does, he will be passion driven and continue till he succeed. Learning the trading skill is not easy, it takes alot of time for you to start getting it right but don't think a trader will be perfect because there is no perfect trader.
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I sit-down to wonder why traders who are consistent in trading and also investing still remain very broke despite the effort they put to erradicating poverty...

Some statistics and research show that 95% of those who trade end up losing, especially if they trade something that is risky and volatile. This entire machinery that creates the impression that people can get rich overnight if they invest in coin/tokens is actually created by those who invent various crypto projects, and those who give them the necessary infrastructure to become available to the masses.

Here and there someone will really get rich, but at the same time thousands will lose everything they have - unfortunately, that's how the system works.

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Everything is a trial and error. Maybe they just lose for now and this loss will make them learn and win in the future. It's always like that and some just take a long time for them to learn. The market is not easy to learn too. Never quit and if it's really possible, consult a shaman before trading.  Roll Eyes

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I sit-down to wonder why traders who are consistent in trading and also investing still remain very broke despite the effort they put to erradicating poverty,but it still seems like there is some sort of unforseen and spiritual forces controlling the physical.Or should it be foundational curse from the forefathers affecting the present circumstances?or is it that the poverty is inherited? Or is it a gene or chromosome?.These are questions that that I tend to ask.

This is mainly as a result of not having a proper plan before coming to invest/trade Bitcoin and cryptocurrency.
Every investor or trader out there should set its daily, weekly, monthly or yearly target / goal trading Bitcoin and cryptocurrency, so once your target is achieved, use those profits to solve your day to day needs, and maybe if large profit is achieved you should look into investing in other things like real estate, this will help you not get recked and go broke while investing and trading cryptos.

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I sit-down to wonder why traders who are consistent in trading and also investing still remain very broke despite the effort they put to erradicating poverty,but it still seems like there is some sort of unforseen and spiritual forces controlling the physical.Or should it be foundational curse from the forefathers affecting the present circumstances?or is it that the poverty is inherited? Or is it a gene or chromosome?.These are questions that that I tend to ask.
If you have the thought and believe that a spiritual force or something is affecting you, you will steady be seeing reasons to support your speculation. Consistency in trading does not mean that you will make money in doing so, you can be consistently loosing money with the wrong approach and strategy, while some people who don't trade consistently but with a good strategy are benefiting because of their strategy. I don't think anything but your mentality is what is affecting you, change your mentality and improve your strategy and approach.

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I sit-down to wonder why traders who are consistent in trading and also investing still remain very broke despite the effort they put to erradicating poverty,but it still seems like there is some sort of unforseen and spiritual forces controlling the physical.Or should it be foundational curse from the forefathers affecting the present circumstances?or is it that the poverty is inherited? Or is it a gene or chromosome?.These are questions that that I tend to ask.
Really hard to believe on or to say into those people who are consistent or making profits in trading or simply survive this market would really be having that kind of feeling.If i were into those feet or shoes into those

traders then why would really be not happy on what you had achieved or able to obtain? This has nothing to do with anything bullshit like spiritual forces or physical shit or whatsoever.

If you arent happy on what you are currently been dealing with then you should simply stop, but just like i do said earlier that it is really hard to believe on that someone who are
consistent on trading cant really be that happy because we know that person would be totally be that contented if he do really be able to make money consistently
specially into this unpredictable market.It is really just too impossible that you wont really be that happy on this case.

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No curse, no spiritual matters but just all about how they manage their finances. That's it. There's no other reason why someone who's profitable yet still seems to be broke behind.
It's not about the money that you earn but all about how you're good at holding and spending the money that you get. There are people that don't earn that much but avoids being broke because they know their priorities and where and what to spend.

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I sit-down to wonder why traders who are consistent in trading and also investing still remain very broke despite the effort they put to erradicating poverty,but it still seems like there is some sort of unforseen and spiritual forces controlling the physical.Or should it be foundational curse from the forefathers affecting the present circumstances?or is it that the poverty is inherited? Or is it a gene or chromosome?.These are questions that that I tend to ask.

Remaining consistent in terms of keep repeating the trading and investing?

No, they're committing a mistake or keep repeating it that is why they can't able to succeed consistent generally in the investment.

First of all they need to tick all the basics before becoming trader or investor which is other sources of income. If someone relies only on income source from their investment then sooner or later they will be broke in most cases.









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Imo investing and trading are all about psychology and strategy.
Well, that's lack of what it is all about. It also includes finances/money and that's why we want to trade because we either win or lose but mostly, we want to earn and make money out of it.

Intelligence might play a small part but it is not necessary.
That's part of decision making and strategizing so IMO, it's the biggest part and most necessary.

If you are the type who is good at solving problems you will probably produce a good strategy. The psychology part takes time and practice, aswell as life experience
And that includes the intelligence and that means that it contradicts from what you've said. But we do agree about taking time of practice which is common to have experience.



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I sit-down to wonder why traders who are consistent in trading and also investing still remain very broke despite the effort they put to erradicating poverty,but it still seems like there is some sort of unforseen and spiritual forces controlling the physical.Or should it be foundational curse from the forefathers affecting the present circumstances?or is it that the poverty is inherited? Or is it a gene or chromosome?.These are questions that that I tend to ask.

Not because you started trading doesn't mean that you will be rich. Not because you put too much effort on studying about trading, asking advices, paying for indicators, doesn't mean you will succeed on most of your trades. Trading is not compatible to everyone, you gotta know where you excel the most, where your skills are useful 100%, because if you'll force yourself in trading even though you can't see yourself being a successful trader, then whatever you'll do is useless.

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December 08, 2022, 12:09:27 PM
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I sit-down to wonder why traders who are consistent in trading and also investing still remain very broke despite the effort they put to erradicating poverty,but it still seems like there is some sort of unforseen and spiritual forces controlling the physical.Or should it be foundational curse from the forefathers affecting the present circumstances?or is it that the poverty is inherited? Or is it a gene or chromosome?.These are questions that that I tend to ask.

This is too deep. If we're talking about spiritual beings, I'd say it's possible; if the spiritual forces want you to stay poor because that's your destiny, then it's possible, but there's a reason for it; while trading, you'll help poor people with your profit, you'll guide others when it comes to trading, and other instances because if you get rich, you won't be able to do it, so everything has a reason. If we talk without spirituality, then I would say you are the problem, as you can't manage your profit or your money well, which is why you are still not getting rich.
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December 08, 2022, 12:17:24 PM
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You are trying to answer why that's happening to them, and probably there's an easier way to deal with it: Don't think about it. Unless you are affected by it directly, or you are talking to yourself or referring to yourself in the third person, and you are the one who is trading and still manages to not profit at all in trading. Imagine blaming the heritage for yourself instead of doing something that would help you in the long run; that's sad.

There isn't a connection with the inheritance of poverty. Still, the attitude surrounding the person affects it, IMO The definition and the understanding of why it is what it is is just plain sadness. It will take a lot of work to act on and change.

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December 08, 2022, 12:54:45 PM
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I sit-down to wonder why traders who are consistent in trading and also investing still remain very broke despite the effort they put to erradicating poverty,but it still seems like there is some sort of unforseen and spiritual forces controlling the physical.Or should it be foundational curse from the forefathers affecting the present circumstances?or is it that the poverty is inherited? Or is it a gene or chromosome?.These are questions that that I tend to ask.
People keep doing trading and investing but still don't know how to fix the mistake and make themselves better could be a reason why those traders are not gaining anything from their trading activities. Sure, each person have different time and effort to actually understand the situation of the market and it's not everyone's game but actually with research and listening to other people advice for reference and use it for better condition to you, it could be beneficial for those traders who are seeking to be better at trading. It's really hard of course but some of you could make it.

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December 08, 2022, 01:34:09 PM
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I sit-down to wonder why traders who are consistent in trading and also investing still remain very broke despite the effort they put to erradicating poverty,but it still seems like there is some sort of unforseen and spiritual forces controlling the physical.Or should it be foundational curse from the forefathers affecting the present circumstances?or is it that the poverty is inherited? Or is it a gene or chromosome?.These are questions that that I tend to ask.
When logic is able to overcome things that are still within reach of reason, do you need to associate it with something taboo? Even in an increasingly sophisticated world you still think primitively. You have the right to associate it with spiritual things, but in a realm that is not accessible to reason. Regarding trade and investment, there are theories and these theories were created based on existing statistics. So while it can be defined and learned what you have to blame in investing is the way of thinking and the level of understanding that is still minimal.

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When logic is able to overcome things that are still within reach of reason, do you need to associate it with something taboo? Even in an increasingly sophisticated world you still think primitively. You have the right to associate it with spiritual things, but in a realm that is not accessible to reason.
Rightly said, I dont know why people keep thinking unscientifically in a world where technology is advancing like wildfire. I guess this is due to the lack of scientific temper among the common people or the effect of religious groups spewing BS on their followers and taking money from them in exchange for that BS.

Keeping that aside, we know that with practice any skill can be learnt and be refined. Trading is nothing different, once you get the hang of it there is nothing easier than that. What is tough is the patience that is required of the trader during the course of trading - for example you might buy at the low bear market but the market might not go bullish till the next six months.

Being in the middle of traders in a family might build up the similar mindset but this varies from person and is defenitely not something genetic.

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I sit-down to wonder why traders who are consistent in trading and also investing still remain very broke despite the effort they put to erradicating poverty,but it still seems like there is some sort of unforseen and spiritual forces controlling the physical.Or should it be foundational curse from the forefathers affecting the present circumstances?or is it that the poverty is inherited? Or is it a gene or chromosome?.These are questions that that I tend to ask.
They still often make mistakes in analyzing so they can't make a profit yet. In addition, there is a potential for greed from their trading where I see that if someone can already see the profit, don't immediately close the trade and take the profit. They tend to want bigger profits so they keep waiting for the price to increase. But unfortunately, that only sometimes happens and makes them sell their coins at high prices too late. They would have made more profits if they could learn better and know when to close their trades.

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I sit-down to wonder why traders who are consistent in trading and also investing still remain very broke despite the effort they put to erradicating poverty,but it still seems like there is some sort of unforseen and spiritual forces controlling the physical.Or should it be foundational curse from the forefathers affecting the present circumstances?or is it that the poverty is inherited? Or is it a gene or chromosome?.These are questions that that I tend to ask.

Trading is competing to other traders. You can only earn on trading if someone loses there money simply trading is just the transfer of money from impatient one to the patient that always get profit in the long term. Probably those who doesn’t get profit despite trading frequently are the one under the category of impatient on consistently giving there money to other traders through cut loss.

There’s now way that everyone one will be happy on trading on investing because this is not a charity but a competition on who will collect more using other people money. Trading is like a ponzi but the only difference was it doesn’t promise any sure profit but the design is same that user can get profit using other user funds that purchasing same assets.

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I sit-down to wonder why traders who are consistent in trading and also investing still remain very broke despite the effort they put to erradicating poverty,but it still seems like there is some sort of unforseen and spiritual forces controlling the physical.Or should it be foundational curse from the forefathers affecting the present circumstances?or is it that the poverty is inherited? Or is it a gene or chromosome?.These are questions that that I tend to ask.

This is too deep. If we're talking about spiritual beings, I'd say it's possible; if the spiritual forces want you to stay poor because that's your destiny, then it's possible, but there's a reason for it; while trading, you'll help poor people with your profit, you'll guide others when it comes to trading, and other instances because if you get rich, you won't be able to do it, so everything has a reason. If we talk without spirituality, then I would say you are the problem, as you can't manage your profit or your money well, which is why you are still not getting rich.
Well, I respect of what your belief guys but I think, trading is a pure skill and knowledge that we must obtain before entering such a decision.
Just people don't believe in luck because that is misfortune. The same for me, everything your decision relies on you there is no spiritual --there is no course in trading, the logic here is you must have the knowledge and it depends on you. Sometimes people greed will put them down and now, who is to blame for that?









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I sit-down to wonder why traders who are consistent in trading and also investing still remain very broke despite the effort they put to erradicating poverty,but it still seems like there is some sort of unforseen and spiritual forces controlling the physical.Or should it be foundational curse from the forefathers affecting the present circumstances?or is it that the poverty is inherited? Or is it a gene or chromosome?.These are questions that that I tend to ask.

This is too deep. If we're talking about spiritual beings, I'd say it's possible; if the spiritual forces want you to stay poor because that's your destiny, then it's possible, but there's a reason for it; while trading, you'll help poor people with your profit, you'll guide others when it comes to trading, and other instances because if you get rich, you won't be able to do it, so everything has a reason. If we talk without spirituality, then I would say you are the problem, as you can't manage your profit or your money well, which is why you are still not getting rich.
Well, I respect of what your belief guys but I think, trading is a pure skill and knowledge that we must obtain before entering such a decision.
Just people don't believe in luck because that is misfortune. The same for me, everything your decision relies on you there is no spiritual --there is no course in trading, the logic here is you must have the knowledge and it depends on you. Sometimes people greed will put them down and now, who is to blame for that?

Thank you for your respect. We are in a religious country, so we really have these kinds of thoughts, but that doesn't mean that if we lose a trade we will be blaming the spiritual beings; when we lose all day, we ain't blaming anyone; it just happens for a reason. This is also for us to maintain a positive attitude and move on from something. We also don't rely on our beliefs; we are just using them for motivation to continue, just as in trading, to continue to trade even if losing to strengthen the strategy and not rely on luck, as trading isn't about luck; it is more about experience and your strategy.
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December 08, 2022, 06:09:08 PM
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I sit-down to wonder why traders who are consistent in trading and also investing still remain very broke despite the effort they put to erradicating poverty,but it still seems like there is some sort of unforseen and spiritual forces controlling the physical.Or should it be foundational curse from the forefathers affecting the present circumstances?or is it that the poverty is inherited? Or is it a gene or chromosome?.These are questions that that I tend to ask.
Some traders actually lead very comfortable lives despite their persistent trading attitude. Perhaps the people you are referring to as constant traders who are still broke are losing money every day in trading and are perpetually broke because they lack adequate knowledge and background about crypto trading. On the other hand, they might be accumulating their profits and not want the general public to see how wealthy they are.

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December 08, 2022, 06:55:18 PM
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poverty is not the dominant hereditary factor and wealth is the goal.
and all of that is the will, the commitment to change one's life to become more established or successful.



for me all the things traders have done to trade and invest with all commitments but have not become rich, it is just an ongoing process.
if a trader is able to keep that commitment and invest in the right crypto or coins, i am sure to find success and become rich.
as I have done in the past when I felt bored with all things trading and investing in crypto but I tried to keep the commitment to keep investing and in the end I met a bullish season and my assets became valuable.

so I conclude that there is no element of spiritual and hereditary.
because all of that requires process, IMO

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I'm not sure if you know what the purpose of investing is and how successful people are at making huge profits. You can't just hope that investors or anyone else will get rich with bitcoin overnight, and neither should most other altcoin.

You have to have a good trading strategy in order to make a profit, the same for investing. There is a wide choice of valuable and tradable assets on the market, but when you make the wrong choice you are more likely to lose than make a profit. Long-term investment and selling it on ATH is a good solution for you, so poverty is actually not inherited but you may fail to change your fate because of your own incompetence.

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December 08, 2022, 08:14:12 PM
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I sit-down to wonder why traders who are consistent in trading and also investing still remain very broke despite the effort they put to erradicating poverty,but it still seems like there is some sort of unforseen and spiritual forces controlling the physical.Or should it be foundational curse from the forefathers affecting the present circumstances?or is it that the poverty is inherited? Or is it a gene or chromosome?.These are questions that that I tend to ask.
People keep doing trading and investing but still don't know how to fix the mistake and make themselves better could be a reason why those traders are not gaining anything from their trading activities. Sure, each person have different time and effort to actually understand the situation of the market and it's not everyone's game but actually with research and listening to other people advice for reference and use it for better condition to you, it could be beneficial for those traders who are seeking to be better at trading. It's really hard of course but some of you could make it.
We cant be perfect
We cant be precise
We cant really be constant on making profits

But what we are targeting and aiming is on which to make out profits in the end of the day and this is why we are really that pursuing on doing trades.We know that trading isnt really that for all
on which there are people who are really be able to withstand and there are people who do easily surrender or give up.
On the time that you had reached up on being profitable or really doing good then i dont see for someone to be discontented with that and trying out to look
for another thing which it is really that somewhat impossible in that case.

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I sit-down to wonder why traders who are consistent in trading and also investing still remain very broke despite the effort they put to erradicating poverty,but it still seems like there is some sort of unforseen and spiritual forces controlling the physical.Or should it be foundational curse from the forefathers affecting the present circumstances?or is it that the poverty is inherited? Or is it a gene or chromosome?.These are questions that that I tend to ask.
Haha, I don't want to make fun of anyone but your question in itself is very funny. First of all investing cannot eradicate poverty and not even Trading can do that because for both things you require some basic investment from your own pocket to put in to earn well. Which obviously poverty sicken person can never properly do. So basically you are choosing the wrong way out to eradicate poverty, secondly, a simple way to eradicate poverty at least at the start is to look for a secure job. Give yourself some time to make a sort of emergency fund and basic capital for trading and then get into the trading business. Trading is just like a business only a few become profitable and rest will always be in losses and lose their initial capital as well.
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December 08, 2022, 10:21:12 PM
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If they still continue to do that even though they sometimes go bankrupt because of their trading or investment activities, it's because of several things:
1. They actually know and understand the risks of trading and investing
2. They have made so much money trading and investing, that they believe they will get their money back.
3. They have experienced and are professional with all the risks and have good strategy and management for themselves.
4. Or they are just people who go along with it and are stupid without them learning and evaluating

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~snip~ So basically you are choosing the wrong way out to eradicate poverty, secondly, a simple way to eradicate poverty at least at the start is to look for a secure job. Give yourself some time to make a sort of emergency fund and basic capital for trading and then get into the trading business. Trading is just like a business only a few become profitable and rest will always be in losses and lose their initial capital as well.

Op chose the way out of trading, investing in crypto as poverty alleviation and Op did not care about the risks that would occur. this is not a job that guarantees wealth, even being poorer will be very possible if you don't understand what is being done. Crypto has a lot of risks for those who don't understand it. this is indeed a business that must be done properly, if the investment does not know about the business that is being run, then where can the profits come from?


I don't know what kind of question was asked by the OP, thus linking the bankruptcy of trade and investment with the spiritual. Will it directly affect or not? of course, there is no strong evidence of spiritual, curses and such. it's just a matter of basic knowledge and how good at reading market analysis, and doing research. Because if you don't know it all, you will go bankrupt. Spiritual will affect psychology and psychology will impact trade and investment. if the psychology is not stable and tends to always panic and such, this will be a cause for the loss.

Remember that trading and investing are not influenced by any spiritual influences, what influences the final decision is psychology, not curses and the like.

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December 08, 2022, 10:59:17 PM
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I sit-down to wonder why traders who are consistent in trading and also investing still remain very broke despite the effort they put to erradicating poverty,but it still seems like there is some sort of unforseen and spiritual forces controlling the physical.Or should it be foundational curse from the forefathers affecting the present circumstances?or is it that the poverty is inherited? Or is it a gene or chromosome?.These are questions that that I tend to ask.
Haha, I don't want to make fun of anyone but your question in itself is very funny. First of all investing cannot eradicate poverty and not even Trading can do that because for both things you require some basic investment from your own pocket to put in to earn well. Which obviously poverty sicken person can never properly do. So basically you are choosing the wrong way out to eradicate poverty, secondly, a simple way to eradicate poverty at least at the start is to look for a secure job. Give yourself some time to make a sort of emergency fund and basic capital for trading and then get into the trading business. Trading is just like a business only a few become profitable and rest will always be in losses and lose their initial capital as well.
We do know that not only trading does give out that opportunity on making yourself that able to get out with poverty or hardship in life when it comes to this one which there are other methods too.

It is really just depending on which one you would really be putting focus on because not all would really be good on doing trades, which means that its not bad to look for other various possible methods.

This had nothing to do with spiritual or some enchanted things or whatsoever.If someone is really that making money with trading then its good for him since not everybody could
really be that successful towards on dealing with an unpredictable market.Most of people do really failed up and quit eventually.I dont see for someone to really be not that contented
on the time that they are constantly making profits in the end of the day.

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December 09, 2022, 10:18:23 AM
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I sit-down to wonder why traders who are consistent in trading and also investing still remain very broke despite the effort they put to erradicating poverty,but it still seems like there is some sort of unforseen and spiritual forces controlling the physical.
How do you say this? Generalizing just from your own experiences or by watching one or two friend's scenario also not enough to conclude anything against trading. You mention about consistent in trading which is subjective unless otherwise you refer long term trading. Similarly investing for years to decades also got very little chances to be failed in the case of right assets. So, eradicating poverty is possible by investments and for that I could be one of proven example.

Or should it be foundational curse from the forefathers affecting the present circumstances?or is it that the poverty is inherited? Or is it a gene or chromosome?.These are questions that that I tend to ask.
Nothing is impossible everywhere; simply leave off all these reasons. If you believe just fundamental and technical analysis are enough to make profits in trading and investments then I would say there is another factor which is luck and you can hit your luck if your patience enough at least 99.9% of times. So, include the time factor also in your trading. All short term things may fail but fundamentally strong assets in long term will get you assured profits.

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December 09, 2022, 05:57:35 PM
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I sit-down to wonder why traders who are consistent in trading and also investing still remain very broke despite the effort they put to erradicating poverty,but it still seems like there is some sort of unforseen and spiritual forces controlling the physical.Or should it be foundational curse from the forefathers affecting the present circumstances?or is it that the poverty is inherited? Or is it a gene or chromosome?.These are questions that that I tend to ask.
You are looking at the wrong places for the answer to your question, the most simple answer is that the ability to make money is different from the ability to keep that money, and this is a very common mismatch when it comes to the skills people have, this in part help us explain why we can see people that make a lot of money each year and yet they have huge debts, this happens because they spend too much money and there is nothing left of their income to the point they need to borrow money, and if they happened to lose their source of income they would go broke in a matter of months.

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 #40

I sit-down to wonder why traders who are consistent in trading and also investing still remain very broke despite the effort they put to erradicating poverty,but it still seems like there is some sort of unforseen and spiritual forces controlling the physical.Or should it be foundational curse from the forefathers affecting the present circumstances?or is it that the poverty is inherited? Or is it a gene or chromosome?.These are questions that that I tend to ask.
I don't think there are actually spiritual forces, that are related to this.
One thing is to have the ability to safe, trade, invest and the other is to have the right sense to be able to use the proceeds for the right purpose at the right time
There are people who live there lives to impress and prove to people that they're doing well, while they're are struggling to survive.
There are people who save some very reasonable amount of money and end up living a lavish life and even living above their budgets and accommolate alot of debts and then starts paying with every penny they make.
People also ought to have the right investment sense and also have the right spending habit even after having the investments.

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December 09, 2022, 09:57:07 PM
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I sit-down to wonder why traders who are consistent in trading and also investing still remain very broke despite the effort they put to erradicating poverty,but it still seems like there is some sort of unforseen and spiritual forces controlling the physical.Or should it be foundational curse from the forefathers affecting the present circumstances?or is it that the poverty is inherited? Or is it a gene or chromosome?.These are questions that that I tend to ask.
I don't think there are actually spiritual forces that are related to this.
One thing is to have the ability to safe, trade and also invest and the other is to have tye right sense to be able to use the proceeds for the right purpose at the right time
There are people who live there lives to impress and prove to people that they're doing well while they're are struggling to survive.
There are people who save some very reasonable amount of money and end up living a lavish life and even living above their budgets and accomolate alot of debts and then starts paying with every penny they make.
People also ought to also have the right investment sense and also have the right spending habit even after having the investments.

One should not rely on one source of income to sustain his living.
We can't tell one's capability when it comes for example in trading, you can't assure that you will gain profits all the time.
So it is not about spiritual forces not giving you good profits, but it is your skills that may be are not sufficient to combat the challenges in trading.
Better find where you are good at and maybe, that will give you better return or at least a sustainable income.
If you are always broke with something, it means, you need to change your tactics or change your earning activity.
These unseen forces are just all in one's mind, contemplate and you will understand that it is your skills that is not ready for such activity.
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December 10, 2022, 04:12:49 PM
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OP, you must be African because that's the mindset of every failing African losing in trades. I'm African and I speak from experience on this. I used to think such trash when I started trading. In fact, I used to think my desktop was a mirror through which enemies of my progress monitored every damn trade call I made. I would get into a sell position on an obvious selling trade but it would quickly turn buy and vice versa😆. It was a frustrating experience for me then. However, I've grown past that mentality now. I now know nothing of such. It's just the irony of buying when others are opting out or one swimming against the tide. Nobody is attacking anybody spiritually on trading. Nah! Nobody.


Trading should not be to eliminate poverty,
Why should I trade then if I don't believe it's likely to change my financial status? Of course, it's because of the need to be better financially that makes someone like me want to go into trading. No two ways about it. Otherwise, why trade then?

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December 10, 2022, 06:18:29 PM
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There is no mystique, no absolute luck, trading and investing is something that should be based on your knowledge, analysis and strength of funds. The more knowledge you have about investing, know how the market works, know how to do analysis, then everything is very possible to get. After all, the price of this crypto asset is very volatile, so this can be both profitable and detrimental, so there is no certainty whether this investment will make you a billionaire or even go bankrupt.

Investment and trading should also be something that should not be forced. You can't invest blindly without being able to have good emotional control when the market doesn't match your expectations. Patience and emotional management are two important things that can really help you get good returns when your investment assets become more valuable.

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December 10, 2022, 06:55:36 PM
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One should not rely on one source of income to sustain his living.
Oh really, of cource I would say that if someone has more sources of income then they are one of the successful people because of it.

We can't tell one's capability when it comes for example in trading, you can't assure that you will gain profits all the time.
So it is not about spiritual forces not giving you good profits, but it is your skills that may be are not sufficient to combat the challenges in trading.
Exactly, I think they should understand it properly especially about how to trade and determine the best asset and price before investing. We can hope and pray for a return on investment, it is some pretty spiritual but good thing to do.

In the end I agree that the success of trading and investing is largely determined by several things, the first is skill and knowledge and the second is capital. The two are interrelated, so when they expect big profits, they must also have strong enough capital.

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December 10, 2022, 07:40:06 PM
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I sit-down to wonder why traders who are consistent in trading and also investing still remain very broke despite the effort they put to erradicating poverty,but it still seems like there is some sort of unforseen and spiritual forces controlling the physical.Or should it be foundational curse from the forefathers affecting the present circumstances?or is it that the poverty is inherited? Or is it a gene or chromosome?.These are questions that that I tend to ask.
I don't think there are actually spiritual forces that are related to this.
One thing is to have the ability to safe, trade and also invest and the other is to have tye right sense to be able to use the proceeds for the right purpose at the right time
There are people who live there lives to impress and prove to people that they're doing well while they're are struggling to survive.
There are people who save some very reasonable amount of money and end up living a lavish life and even living above their budgets and accomolate alot of debts and then starts paying with every penny they make.
People also ought to also have the right investment sense and also have the right spending habit even after having the investments.

One should not rely on one source of income to sustain his living.
We can't tell one's capability when it comes for example in trading, you can't assure that you will gain profits all the time.
So it is not about spiritual forces not giving you good profits, but it is your skills that may be are not sufficient to combat the challenges in trading.
Better find where you are good at and maybe, that will give you better return or at least a sustainable income.
If you are always broke with something, it means, you need to change your tactics or change your earning activity.
These unseen forces are just all in one's mind, contemplate and you will understand that it is your skills that is not ready for such activity.
The more the better and this should really be having on your mind or including into your aims and target to have in life on which you should really be making lots of sources of income and wont really be just focus

on a single day job.We do know that inflation and recession does really happen or something inevitable which it is really just wise that you should be finding ways on how to get more income.

It is really just a matter of own perception and own decisions whether you would really be going into the hard path but does really give out some good results in the end
or would really just be going into those simple but wont really be changing a thing or the worst it would really be giving out that kind of hardship in the end of the line?

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December 10, 2022, 09:12:31 PM
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I sit-down to wonder why traders who are consistent in trading and also investing still remain very broke despite the effort they put to erradicating poverty,but it still seems like there is some sort of unforseen and spiritual forces controlling the physical.Or should it be foundational curse from the forefathers affecting the present circumstances?or is it that the poverty is inherited? Or is it a gene or chromosome?.These are questions that that I tend to ask.
It is not necessarily right to judge people from the outside. There is a saying that you should not judge a book only by the content of the hardcover. What am I saying in essence is that because someone trades and because the same person invests does not really mean that they are trading the right way or they are investing the right way.
It could be that they are trading with a very small amount of capital and also they are investing with very little amount of capital.
You can be in the industry of cryptocurrency trading every day and night without the right information and knowledge someone who comes in the late with the right information and the good start-up capital could make a very large progress in the cryptocurrency markets more than you.

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December 10, 2022, 09:12:41 PM
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I sit-down to wonder why traders who are consistent in trading and also investing still remain very broke despite the effort they put to erradicating poverty,but it still seems like there is some sort of unforseen and spiritual forces controlling the physical.Or should it be foundational curse from the forefathers affecting the present circumstances?or is it that the poverty is inherited? Or is it a gene or chromosome?.These are questions that that I tend to ask.
Trading or investing is not a guaranteed way of becoming rich, you still need to do your best and exert a lot of effort before you finally see good result. If you think you are not making any progress at all then better to revisit your strategy and plan, maybe something is wrong with it. Don’t rush to become rich, work for it slowly but surely and handling your finances will matter here, so be wise always.
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I sit-down to wonder why traders who are consistent in trading and also investing still remain very broke despite the effort they put to erradicating poverty,but it still seems like there is some sort of unforseen and spiritual forces controlling the physical.Or should it be foundational curse from the forefathers affecting the present circumstances?or is it that the poverty is inherited? Or is it a gene or chromosome?.These are questions that that I tend to ask.
Trading or investing is not a guaranteed way of becoming rich, you still need to do your best and exert a lot of effort before you finally see good result. If you think you are not making any progress at all then better to revisit your strategy and plan, maybe something is wrong with it. Don’t rush to become rich, work for it slowly but surely and handling your finances will matter here, so be wise always.
^There is no shortcut if you wanted to become financially free. Everything you need to put effort into so that you will survive and succeed in your plan.
Strategy is one of the most important that you need to pay attention to if you consistently did not have a good result just find another one and start observing again. Dont give up once you broke into trading because in trading there is no spiritual, a course, or anything that relates to the magic that instantly makes a profit without hard work. So if you are in trading, don't always expect to consistently make a profit, sometimes we need to obtain experience in order to improve our trading skills and knowledge, all you have to do is always be prepared for the negative consequences.
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December 10, 2022, 09:39:04 PM
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^There is no shortcut if you wanted to become financially free. Everything you need to put effort into so that you will survive and succeed in your plan.
Strategy is one of the most important that you need to pay attention to if you consistently did not have a good result just find another one and start observing again. Dont give up once you broke into trading because in trading there is no spiritual, a course, or anything that relates to the magic that instantly makes a profit without hard work. So if you are in trading, don't always expect to consistently make a profit, sometimes we need to obtain experience in order to improve our trading skills and knowledge, all you have to do is always be prepared for the negative consequences.
Great point here, don’t expect to succeed right away because there’s always up and down in investing and trading, you can’t expect to always be on top. Having a good strategy can help a lot and better to think long term, its better to look for a good small profit at first and be consistent with that because if you are going to focus on big profit right away, you might missed a lot of opportunities at the bottom. The market right now is still down, this is a good opportunity now to accumulate slowly and for you to become rich, you have to think rich and control your finances.

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December 10, 2022, 09:45:49 PM
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^There is no shortcut if you wanted to become financially free. Everything you need to put effort into so that you will survive and succeed in your plan.
Strategy is one of the most important that you need to pay attention to if you consistently did not have a good result just find another one and start observing again. Dont give up once you broke into trading because in trading there is no spiritual, a course, or anything that relates to the magic that instantly makes a profit without hard work. So if you are in trading, don't always expect to consistently make a profit, sometimes we need to obtain experience in order to improve our trading skills and knowledge, all you have to do is always be prepared for the negative consequences.
Great point here, don’t expect to succeed right away because there’s always up and down in investing and trading, you can’t expect to always be on top. Having a good strategy can help a lot and better to think long term, its better to look for a good small profit at first and be consistent with that because if you are going to focus on big profit right away, you might missed a lot of opportunities at the bottom. The market right now is still down, this is a good opportunity now to accumulate slowly and for you to become rich, you have to think rich and control your finances.
When we are still noob then we do really think up that we would really be successful right away on the time that we do decide to make some involvement whether you are tending to make trades or on when you do

decide to make out some investments.For those who do make money but arent still that contented or arent happy then it would really be pertaining into other aspects which isnt related to this but in todays
era or years or generation which money or earning does really matter the most because you could really buy all the things that you do want.

This is what we are trying out to achieve or target out and this is why we do really do our very best on searching for ways and methods.
Getting broke on other aspects? It is really yourself that would be the one to solve out.

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December 10, 2022, 09:59:04 PM
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Probably trading or investing is not a problem here, maybe you need to assess your financial status and the way you spend your money especially if you already made a good profit and yet you are still broke. Usually those who are broke had a lot of debt in the past and mismanaged of funds. If you are going to invest, make sure that its an extra money that you might not need in the next few years. Becoming rich is not easy, and staying rich is a big challenge to many.
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I sit-down to wonder why traders who are consistent in trading and also investing still remain very broke despite the effort they put to erradicating poverty,but it still seems like there is some sort of unforseen and spiritual forces controlling the physical.Or should it be foundational curse from the forefathers affecting the present circumstances?or is it that the poverty is inherited? Or is it a gene or chromosome?.These are questions that that I tend to ask.

Traders or investors who consistently do what they do is not guaranteed that they will become successful in a short time, they should keep consistent for long time and nothing know when they will become successful. It depends on effort and how much they learn. Never trade or invest with money that we borrow from people with its interest since it can make us more broke than before. It's not something like a gene from somebody but it's just how they handle trading and investing with their knowledge and their attitude.   


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Thinking of trading or investing as a means of making money can be a great mistake. As no one can deserve the guaranteed profit or loss. The money you have that can be rather reduced by trading. But you can't think of it as gambling. Because there is a wide difference between gambling and trading.
One should not come into trading or investment by being overly luxurious. Also the money that is kept for your needs should not be brought to this platform either. In this platform enough knowledge for trading or investing that can propel you towards success. A trader or investor should invest as much as he can afford to lose. If you manage this platform with your skills and knowledge, you can get financial benefits from it.

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December 11, 2022, 07:15:26 AM
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I know how it feels because most of us have felt the same way. For most of the time, I lost in both trading and investing. But we should not expect too much when it comes to results. No promises or astronomical guaranteed returns whatsoever.

We just simply have to acknowledge and accept whatever results that we have at the end of the day. If we lose, charge it to experience and a lesson learned. Only spend what you can afford to lose and never quit your day job just to be a full time trader and/or investor.

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December 11, 2022, 02:53:12 PM
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Continuous losses can really lead to disappointments and frustrations but that doesn't mean that there's a spiritual force that is pulling us down. Maybe you can check your trading and investing history so you could check your mistakes and try to correct them or try to apply better strategies that would work for you. Trading is a long process of learning and it couldn't make you rich instantly. Even successful traders have failed before and they also had losses. Sometimes you have to go through a series of losses but you always have to be mindful of it and always take lessons from your mistakes.
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December 11, 2022, 05:15:23 PM
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It seems that luck has not been on their side so they have not been able to benefit from trading or investing. Or it could be because they haven't mastered how to trade or invest properly and correctly. There are many reasons for this and they need to look for it themselves until they find it. In trading or investing, we must understand what to do and not do it carelessly because it won't help and can even hinder us from making profits. They need to look for the cause and only those who can find it and work to fix it can finally turn a profit.

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I understand your question because I am from an eastern environment. There they believe that a person is destined in fate or in heaven to either be rich or to be poor, so if it is written that he is poor, he will not become rich no matter what he does. I think that's what you want to ask!

In any case, assuming that you are a believer in this belief, then you do not know what is written for you, rich or poor? Therefore, you have to learn to trade well, do everything that is required of you correctly, and wait for the results.

You can't keep blaming yourself and saying I'm a loser because I'm destined to always be poor! This is wrong behaviour.

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I sit-down to wonder why traders who are consistent in trading and also investing still remain very broke despite the effort they put to erradicating poverty,but it still seems like there is some sort of unforseen and spiritual forces controlling the physical.Or should it be foundational curse from the forefathers affecting the present circumstances?or is it that the poverty is inherited? Or is it a gene or chromosome?.These are questions that that I tend to ask.
Only what you tend to believe do have the most effects on you. In believing, you tend to create the scenario and put the forces to its realisation in your subconscious and that could have a physical manifestation in your life.

Of course there are forces in the world that either acts for you or against you. It all depends on how you've been able to channel them to act.

Now, your putting in work to invest and trade but, your not getting the profits you desire or want. Don't you think the issues could be with your method, what ideas you approach the market with each time, there isn't any assurance to success in trade but your level of success depends on how well you've taken the time to invest in the rudiments of the field and what you are willing to get from it.

Am not saying these as a very successful trader or anything but, I don't think your path to being successful in this avenue is determined by others. The results in your life is mainly due to the choices you make towards change.

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December 11, 2022, 09:09:40 PM
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I sit-down to wonder why traders who are consistent in trading and also investing still remain very broke despite the effort they put to erradicating poverty,but it still seems like there is some sort of unforseen and spiritual forces controlling the physical.Or should it be foundational curse from the forefathers affecting the present circumstances?or is it that the poverty is inherited? Or is it a gene or chromosome?.These are questions that that I tend to ask.
Traders or investors who consistently do what they do is not guaranteed that they will become successful in a short time, they should keep consistent for long time and nothing know when they will become successful. It depends on effort and how much they learn. Never trade or invest with money that we borrow from people with its interest since it can make us more broke than before. It's not something like a gene from somebody but it's just how they handle trading and investing with their knowledge and their attitude.   
I think success can also come early. A trader and investor can make a nice amount of money in a short period of time. That's an example of short-term success. For those who are into longer terms, maybe they are aiming for a bigger return of their capital. That is why they ignore trading their coins when the price have increased a little. Failures are expected in each journey but that is normal.

As long as one doesn't give up and be consistent on what they are trying to pursue then they can be successful. Trading and investing may involve spiritual aspects. We pray that we can do well. It also calms us down a bit if we are having a hard time.

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December 11, 2022, 09:59:27 PM
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I sit-down to wonder why traders who are consistent in trading and also investing still remain very broke despite the effort they put to erradicating poverty,but it still seems like there is some sort of unforseen and spiritual forces controlling the physical.Or should it be foundational curse from the forefathers affecting the present circumstances?or is it that the poverty is inherited? Or is it a gene or chromosome?.These are questions that that I tend to ask.
Not certainly on spiritual aspects but more on physical, mental and emotional state of the investor or trader. If he starts investing without getting ready these physical, mental and emotional aspects, he will still be unsuccessful in all his attempts. He should invest or trade not because of his greed on money, but he should invest because that’s what his passion is telling him so. He should trade because he knows he is already prepared in combatting the risks that trading has.

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December 11, 2022, 10:46:09 PM
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I sit-down to wonder why traders who are consistent in trading and also investing still remain very broke despite the effort they put to erradicating poverty,

Maybe they are facing financial problems and slowly solving those problems. Good thing that they are consistent in trading and investment as slowly but surely, they will soon be able to settle their respective financial problems and struggles and can now focus on making profits.

- inability to properly organized the financial management,
- too much spending on unnecessary things thinking money can be earned easily because these people are good at trading or investing,
- lots of things that needed to spend and covered on a daily basis

Aside from that, there are other possible reasons that only they know why they end up still broke on the process.

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Not certainly on spiritual aspects but more on physical, mental and emotional state of the investor or trader. If he starts investing without getting ready these physical, mental and emotional aspects, he will still be unsuccessful in all his attempts.
Being prepared to stay emotionally strong is more important for successful trading experiences; people do assume their swing in emotions is somehow related to spiritual things but in my opinion, that is understandable. We need to remember there are traders who live out of trading profits alone hence if we give enough efforts then we also could copy such traders which is basically spiritually and technically possible.

Maybe they are facing financial problems and slowly solving those problems. Good thing that they are consistent in trading and investment as slowly but surely, they will soon be able to settle their respective financial problems and struggles and can now focus on making profits.
I must be another person who believes in your statements. Growth in trading definitely not possible in the beginning dates itself. We must keep hard working by understanding all the aspects of trading system. People need enough time to identify such aspects but unfortunately they start hunting for profits before that time itself which is part that leads to failure for most cases.
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It seems that luck has not been on their side so they have not been able to benefit from trading or investing. Or it could be because they haven't mastered how to trade or invest properly and correctly. There are many reasons for this and they need to look for it themselves until they find it. In trading or investing, we must understand what to do and not do it carelessly because it won't help and can even hinder us from making profits. They need to look for the cause and only those who can find it and work to fix it can finally turn a profit.
Most people are not capable to manage success, an example of this are lottery winners, I think most of us would think that if a person wins tens of millions on the lottery that should be enough to last those winners a lifetime, but it is not true, those people find themselves in financial trouble as they begin to spend that money as if it is never going to run out, so people go broke despite earning a lot of money because once they get the money they have pursued for so long they do not know how to keep it.

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It seems that luck has not been on their side so they have not been able to benefit from trading or investing. Or it could be because they haven't mastered how to trade or invest properly and correctly. There are many reasons for this and they need to look for it themselves until they find it. In trading or investing, we must understand what to do and not do it carelessly because it won't help and can even hinder us from making profits. They need to look for the cause and only those who can find it and work to fix it can finally turn a profit.
Most people are not capable to manage success, an example of this are lottery winners, I think most of us would think that if a person wins tens of millions on the lottery that should be enough to last those winners a lifetime, but it is not true, those people find themselves in financial trouble as they begin to spend that money as if it is never going to run out, so people go broke despite earning a lot of money because once they get the money they have pursued for so long they do not know how to keep it.
On the time that you had earned that much then you would really be not minding on how to allocate or budget it which is really that shouldnt really be done.I do see some people who do spend out their

money unwisely specially on the amount which they do really be able to gain up via lotteries or something from their investment or something like that.If you do find it hard to earn then you

would definitely be that mindful or sensible when it comes on how you would gonna spending it and minding that you would really be minding on how to make it grow
or  make it bigger and make yourself sustain for further years to come.
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December 16, 2022, 09:50:17 PM
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Most people are not capable to manage success, an example of this are lottery winners, I think most of us would think that if a person wins tens of millions on the lottery that should be enough to last those winners a lifetime, but it is not true, those people find themselves in financial trouble as they begin to spend that money as if it is never going to run out, so people go broke despite earning a lot of money because once they get the money they have pursued for so long they do not know how to keep it.
It’s all about our mindset, some were able to changed their life completely thru that winning while some just for only few days since they  thinks that it is okay to spend all since they only got it thru winning and it deserves to be enjoyed in everything they wanted, most of the stories I heard were just how fast they spend their winning and how generous they are in giving, but it could be different if our money came from hard work if we waited alot in that winning we sure set our mind on what we gonna do, or if it’s from our trading we keep strategizing or in our investment we sure have set plans for it to grow more.

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Haha, seriously man you went down all the way to chromosomes. Nah, I don’t think so it works like that in the world of trading mate. If you really want to work then you will need to work as normal trader who knows how to do technical analysis and factual analysis through this market. I think those who are highly skilled in such areas will always be in the top list traders. After all this is game of talent and you can always acquire more skills by learning it with paid or free courses. I hope you understand trading is mathematical logic you have to have understand for perfect trade.
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I sit-down to wonder why traders who are consistent in trading and also investing still remain very broke despite the effort they put to erradicating poverty,but it still seems like there is some sort of unforseen and spiritual forces controlling the physical.Or should it be foundational curse from the forefathers affecting the present circumstances?or is it that the poverty is inherited? Or is it a gene or chromosome?.These are questions that that I tend to ask.
One thing you need to know is that investing or trading in crypto does not make one to be rich. If you are not getting profit in your trading that means you need to do some workings , to ensure you are doing the right thing.  Trading and investing are always profitable but you need to follow the process and rules to earn profit. Their is no where it is written investing in crypto makes one to be rich. If trading makes you to go broke then you need knowledge to understand trading to go about it well.

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December 17, 2022, 09:17:07 PM
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I sit-down to wonder why traders who are consistent in trading and also investing still remain very broke despite the effort they put to erradicating poverty,but it still seems like there is some sort of unforseen and spiritual forces controlling the physical.Or should it be foundational curse from the forefathers affecting the present circumstances?or is it that the poverty is inherited? Or is it a gene or chromosome?.These are questions that that I tend to ask.
People are still broke and lose their money even though they are working hard and consistent with it probably because they are;
 * not meant for the crypto world
 * might their strategy are not working well but they still using it
 * Please consider their emotions which could lead to bad decision-making

All of these things can badly affect the result of what you do. As long as you keep those bad habits in your life and never change it, nothing will happen and remain broken.

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December 17, 2022, 09:23:29 PM
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People are still broke and lose their money even though they are working hard and consistent with it probably because they are;
 * not meant for the crypto world
 * might their strategy are not working well but they still using it
 * Please consider their emotions which could lead to bad decision-making

All of these things can badly affect the result of what you do. As long as you keep those bad habits in your life and never change it, nothing will happen and remain broken.
This crypto world belongs to everyone; no exception. So, every trader can be part of it but to stay as a trader, you need lots of preparation and without that if you keep trading then you may face only touch time with your capital rather than being a profitable trader by multiplying your capital.

Good strategy and emotion control kind of things are possible over experience which means you cannot be profitable from day one. But, I am sure that everyone is expecting that which is the core reason for not being successful in crypto trading as per my observation.

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December 17, 2022, 09:38:23 PM
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I sit-down to wonder why traders who are consistent in trading and also investing still remain very broke despite the effort they put to erradicating poverty,but it still seems like there is some sort of unforseen and spiritual forces controlling the physical.Or should it be foundational curse from the forefathers affecting the present circumstances?or is it that the poverty is inherited? Or is it a gene or chromosome?.These are questions that that I tend to ask.
One thing you need to know is that investing or trading in crypto does not make one to be rich. If you are not getting profit in your trading that means you need to do some workings , to ensure you are doing the right thing.  Trading and investing are always profitable but you need to follow the process and rules to earn profit. Their is no where it is written investing in crypto makes one to be rich. If trading makes you to go broke then you need knowledge to understand trading to go about it well.
Most noobs mindset is that they do really believe  that this thing could really make them easily get rich through trading.Yes, it could be possible but thats not something simple that would really be happening.
It is really just that hard and lots of challenges that you would really be facing up along the way and its not something you do make yourself get profitable.On the time that you are already making profits
then its really impossible that you would really be having the emotion of being incomplete or something like that because most of people would really be that grateful
on the time that we do make money.I dont know about spiritual things but it doesnt really have any sense if we do try to connect it out.

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Most people are not capable to manage success, an example of this are lottery winners, I think most of us would think that if a person wins tens of millions on the lottery that should be enough to last those winners a lifetime, but it is not true, those people find themselves in financial trouble as they begin to spend that money as if it is never going to run out, so people go broke despite earning a lot of money because once they get the money they have pursued for so long they do not know how to keep it.
It’s all about our mindset, some were able to changed their life completely thru that winning while some just for only few days since they  thinks that it is okay to spend all since they only got it thru winning and it deserves to be enjoyed in everything they wanted, most of the stories I heard were just how fast they spend their winning and how generous they are in giving, but it could be different if our money came from hard work if we waited alot in that winning we sure set our mind on what we gonna do, or if it’s from our trading we keep strategizing or in our investment we sure have set plans for it to grow more.
And without a doubt you are right, those that get their money due to their luck or by an inheritance do not know how difficult it is to earn that money, which is why they end up squandering it, however the one that made that money by working hard and by managing their money responsibly knows how difficult it is to earn money and they will not waste it in stuff they do not need or want, so the mentality of the people is key and we have seen many examples of this on the past so we can demonstrate this is true.

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Most people are not capable to manage success, an example of this are lottery winners, I think most of us would think that if a person wins tens of millions on the lottery that should be enough to last those winners a lifetime, but it is not true, those people find themselves in financial trouble as they begin to spend that money as if it is never going to run out, so people go broke despite earning a lot of money because once they get the money they have pursued for so long they do not know how to keep it.
It’s all about our mindset, some were able to changed their life completely thru that winning while some just for only few days since they  thinks that it is okay to spend all since they only got it thru winning and it deserves to be enjoyed in everything they wanted, most of the stories I heard were just how fast they spend their winning and how generous they are in giving, but it could be different if our money came from hard work if we waited alot in that winning we sure set our mind on what we gonna do, or if it’s from our trading we keep strategizing or in our investment we sure have set plans for it to grow more.
And without a doubt you are right, those the get their money due to their luck or by an inheritance do not know how difficult it is to earn that money, which is why they end up squandering it, however the one that made that money by working hard and by managing their money responsibly knows how difficult it is to earn money and they will not waste it in stuff they do not need or want, so the mentality of the people is key and we have seen many examples of this on the past so we can demonstrate this is true.
For those amounts that been earned through inheritance or something not that they had worked hard then they wont really be mindful on how they would gonna spending it or on how they would really be gonna handling it, as long they do know that they do have tons of money then pretty sure the main thing on their mind is to spend up and buy all the things that they do want.
For those who are sensible towards their actions and been mindful about their future then this is where actions would really vary into each individual.
Trading isnt something thats for everyone on which there are ones who do get successful and there are ones who do really totally failed.

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December 24, 2022, 12:03:07 AM
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Haha, seriously man you went down all the way to chromosomes. Nah, I don’t think so it works like that in the world of trading mate. If you really want to work then you will need to work as normal trader who knows how to do technical analysis and factual analysis through this market. I think those who are highly skilled in such areas will always be in the top list traders. After all this is game of talent and you can always acquire more skills by learning it with paid or free courses. I hope you understand trading is mathematical logic you have to have understand for perfect trade.
He did think way too deep and much lol

He just had no idea what he had to do just to be 'like them' a successful trader in frame .. which it's far from the reality , people tend to look at the case while actually inside of those 'successful trader' a lot of pain gained out of what people called as ' successful '
Speaking about spiritual thing , god might have us in each destiny but the searching of the destiny is all on our hands to handle , so get your ass out of cozy couch and start working hard.

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December 24, 2022, 01:01:55 AM
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Most people are not capable to manage success, an example of this are lottery winners, I think most of us would think that if a person wins tens of millions on the lottery that should be enough to last those winners a lifetime, but it is not true, those people find themselves in financial trouble as they begin to spend that money as if it is never going to run out, so people go broke despite earning a lot of money because once they get the money they have pursued for so long they do not know how to keep it.
It’s all about our mindset, some were able to changed their life completely thru that winning while some just for only few days since they  thinks that it is okay to spend all since they only got it thru winning and it deserves to be enjoyed in everything they wanted, most of the stories I heard were just how fast they spend their winning and how generous they are in giving, but it could be different if our money came from hard work if we waited alot in that winning we sure set our mind on what we gonna do, or if it’s from our trading we keep strategizing or in our investment we sure have set plans for it to grow more.
And without a doubt you are right, those the get their money due to their luck or by an inheritance do not know how difficult it is to earn that money, which is why they end up squandering it, however the one that made that money by working hard and by managing their money responsibly knows how difficult it is to earn money and they will not waste it in stuff they do not need or want, so the mentality of the people is key and we have seen many examples of this on the past so we can demonstrate this is true.

In inheritance, it is possible that they acquire it easily, but still, they will make the effort, and they are also stressed once they are already running the business, but again, it is not the same with others that they start from scratch. With luck, it is not working for the people that are lazy; they need to get up and work, and luck, or, let's say, opportunities, will come to them. Nowadays, you must be smart because you will be competing with others, and you must have a different strategy than others. 
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I sit-down to wonder why traders who are consistent in trading and also investing still remain very broke despite the effort they put to erradicating poverty,but it still seems like there is some sort of unforseen and spiritual forces controlling the physical.Or should it be foundational curse from the forefathers affecting the present circumstances?or is it that the poverty is inherited? Or is it a gene or chromosome?.These are questions that that I tend to ask.
If he remains poor or doesn't produce anything significant then the job is not suitable for him, then he needs to do another job or also because he doesn't trade with sufficient skills done in the wrong way i.e. based on people's words and so on. If he continues trading without results then he is not wise because he stays in activities that do not provide any profit at all, curses and so on are just myths and have no basis.

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December 24, 2022, 07:44:21 AM
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I sit-down to wonder why traders who are consistent in trading and also investing still remain very broke despite the effort they put to erradicating poverty,but it still seems like there is some sort of unforseen and spiritual forces controlling the physical.Or should it be foundational curse from the forefathers affecting the present circumstances?or is it that the poverty is inherited? Or is it a gene or chromosome?.These are questions that that I tend to ask.
If he remains poor or doesn't produce anything significant then the job is not suitable for him, then he needs to do another job or also because he doesn't trade with sufficient skills done in the wrong way i.e. based on people's words and so on. If he continues trading without results then he is not wise because he stays in activities that do not provide any profit at all, curses and so on are just myths and have no basis.
In that case, that person must have to give and accept the fact that he is not good at this place. He might find another way to earn money that seems to be suitable for him where he can apply his knowledge and skill - of course, to stay in their comfort zone.
In trading, it was also important to know our limitations. I agree that we all have been given equal chance to trade but if there are no improvements for several months in trading, I don't think we have a reason to stay it was rather to move on.

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December 26, 2022, 09:33:17 AM
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If he remains poor or doesn't produce anything significant then the job is not suitable for him, then he needs to do another job or also because he doesn't trade with sufficient skills done in the wrong way i.e. based on people's words and so on. If he continues trading without results then he is not wise because he stays in activities that do not provide any profit at all, curses and so on are just myths and have no basis.
I think that mistakes need to be corrected even though mistakes are made everyday. Not everyone is going to have a good time trading, mistakes are made but correcting mistakes are not commonly done by anybody.

The importance of the job is to keep the regular income. I don't keep the date idea at all. Rather I believe that if you are cunning enough, you can make money in trading while keeping a job intact. Whether you get lucky or not makes a difference but you can maintain a regular income from trading that way.

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I sit-down to wonder why traders who are consistent in trading and also investing still remain very broke despite the effort they put to erradicating poverty,

The concept of poverty and wealth is a relative value, depending on the meaning that you put into it. But we can definitely say that it is much easier to earn a million dollars with 5 million available than to earn a million with $100 in your asset.

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December 26, 2022, 06:51:50 PM
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I sit-down to wonder why traders who are consistent in trading and also investing still remain very broke despite the effort they put to erradicating poverty,
The concept of poverty and wealth is a relative value, depending on the meaning that you put into it. But we can definitely say that it is much easier to earn a million dollars with 5 million available than to earn a million with $100 in your asset.
Your capital is only 10% influencing in your outcome but plan and experiences are occupying the remaining 90% which is the reason proven successfully people are easily making more money. In my opinion, earning a million from $100 is also possible for the experienced people (given that ignoring the time frame).

People who believing into spiritual aspects in trading or investing are lacking in experiences; once you gather knowledge and experiences then you start believing into your skills by leaving off any kind of external factors.

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December 26, 2022, 07:46:10 PM
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People who believing into spiritual aspects in trading or investing are lacking in experiences; once you gather knowledge and experiences then you start believing into your skills by leaving off any kind of external factors.
I believe in spirituality in life but to say that someone who's good in trading and investing yet, not yet well with financial, there has nothing to do with spiritual about it. There are I know of spiritual law but it's not really connected to this.

I agree that it's about lacking of experience.

Don't know how to manage money, finances and someone might have just been from the lowest up to the top and then is having hard time on keeping up on what's happening to himself so, spending is like becoming a YOLO thing.

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Being active in cryptocurrency trading does not guarantee financial success. Putting out the theory that spiritual powers are to blame for your trading loss will be funny. Given that the market is unpredictable and volatile, how is it even conceivable?

No supernatural force that opposes your success in cryptocurrency trading is to blame for your trading losses. Your ability to understand the market and implement a winning plan will determine how successful you are at trading cryptocurrencies.

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December 26, 2022, 08:34:54 PM
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No supernatural force that opposes your success in cryptocurrency trading is to blame for your trading losses. Your ability to understand the market and implement a winning plan will determine how successful you are at trading cryptocurrencies.
Your first and last sentences as quoted here are what every trader should have at the back of their minds during the low moments. Otherwise, they're going to erroneously capitulate into spiritual manipulation. Failing people often find someone to blame for their failures and that's what I see happening with those who blame it on spiritual sort of thing. In a nutshell, there's nothing like spiritual manipulation in trade.

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December 26, 2022, 08:40:17 PM
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No supernatural force that opposes your success in cryptocurrency trading is to blame for your trading losses. Your ability to understand the market and implement a winning plan will determine how successful you are at trading cryptocurrencies.
Your first and last sentences as quoted here are what every trader should have at the back of their minds during the low moments. Otherwise, they're going to erroneously capitulate into spiritual manipulation. Failing people often find someone to blame for their failures and that's what I see happening with those who blame it on spiritual sort of thing. In a nutshell, there's nothing like spiritual manipulation in trade.
Dont know on why spiritual thing is really getting involved with these stuffs?There's no sense and speaking into those people who do find out that they are succeeding on trading but having
still that feeling of being incomplete or not being happy with those results then i dont know on what they do have in mind.This would re ally falls down on personal problems or matter.
It is really just hard to believe on that there would really be people who cant really be happy specially if they are on the profiting side which lots had failed on this part.
This is why making money would  be the main priority of most people since we know on what are the things that we could do if we do have the funds.

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December 26, 2022, 10:17:13 PM
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I sit-down to wonder why traders who are consistent in trading and also investing still remain very broke despite the effort they put to erradicating poverty,but it still seems like there is some sort of unforseen and spiritual forces controlling the physical.Or should it be foundational curse from the forefathers affecting the present circumstances?or is it that the poverty is inherited? Or is it a gene or chromosome?.These are questions that that I tend to ask.

To answer your question I will separate the themes:

1 - trade: when people enter the market to trade they still don't have much knowledge of the market and don't have practice in day trading and as a result people lose money and get frustrated, but we have to see that in the market even the people who consider themselves gurus are not living on day trade, they took so much damage that they are creating youtube channels to teach other people how to day trade, but these gurus are making money with youtube channels and with books that they keep writing

2 - investment in cryptocurrencies: many people think that it is only to buy today and days later to sell that they will already be with high profits and other people enter the market with the greed of 10X profit but the point is that the market is uncertain, nothing guarantees that will the price go up a lot and how long will it take to go up a lot and as a consequence even when people buy and do hodl they mentally get tired and sell because they have lost hope that the price will go up a lot

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December 30, 2022, 09:42:54 AM
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In as much as hard work,  determination and other positive discipline are important in growing business  ,making financial profits  ,etc , we should also have it at the back of our mind that there is a place for luck,  some people are very lucky that's why they have it smooth and easy on their first try in crypto,  whereas some have to go through  the extra miles to research and sometimes make some financial loses before they eventually gets it right,
And I will also add that whatever you believe will work for you,
My advice would be that you find yourself among successful people because success is somehow contagious. Thanks
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1 - trade: when people enter the market to trade they still don't have much knowledge of the market and don't have practice in day trading and as a result people lose money and get frustrated, but we have to see that in the market even the people who consider themselves gurus are not living on day trade, they took so much damage that they are creating youtube channels to teach other people how to day trade, but these gurus are making money with youtube channels and with books that they keep writing

2 - investment in cryptocurrencies: many people think that it is only to buy today and days later to sell that they will already be with high profits and other people enter the market with the greed of 10X profit but the point is that the market is uncertain, nothing guarantees that will the price go up a lot and how long will it take to go up a lot and as a consequence even when people buy and do hodl they mentally get tired and sell because they have lost hope that the price will go up a lot
I still think that investing is a lot better and it would be impossible to be broke if you did not invested 10 bucks. I mean if you invest a decent amount and wait like lets say 10 years then you will definitely get richer. This is not true if you invest into horrible altcoins, but if you invest into bitcoin or ethereum and keep it there for that long like a decade then you are going to end up with a huge profit.

This is definitely a tough thing because many people can't wait that long, but if you could then it would definitely be something awesome without a doubt. I mean life is not that easy and we are going to end up with a lot of hardship, it's better to get finance out of the way at least.

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There is no spiritual force anywhere before drawing a conclusion at least analyse what the trader/investor is doing. How patient and emotional are they when they trade, what choice of coin do they go for and how good are they in making investment decisions. Also look at the current trend for investors who buy and hodl. We are in the bear market where all assets are down so no one is making profit hodling at the moment except for arbitrary traders.

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How can you say and who are those people you are talking about that are consistent in training, but still broke? A lot of people are probably are not making money with reading, but when that happens, usually they stop doing it so I don’t think it will be enough.

Poverty is something that you cannot eradicate  because of the over the world that’s the problem, but if you are talking about the people who stay in the poverty line and not do anything about it, that’s going to be the problem of the person.

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January 01, 2023, 08:55:42 AM
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I sit-down to wonder why traders who are consistent in trading and also investing still remain very broke despite the effort they put to erradicating poverty,but it still seems like there is some sort of unforseen and spiritual forces controlling the physical.Or should it be foundational curse from the forefathers affecting the present circumstances?or is it that the poverty is inherited? Or is it a gene or chromosome?.These are questions that that I tend to ask.
I don't believe the few successful traders are broke though they are few in number, according to statistics 95% traders loses their fund, trading and investment thrive well if you have a huge capital and don't totally rely on it as your main source of income because you will be force to trade just to met up with your monthly or weekly profit target unfortunately might ended up in losing streaks, however with a reasonable capital and a working strategy just a monthly or weekly target of 5% is enough with compounding such profits will amount to big sum of money in the long run this is also applicable with investment too.

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People who believing into spiritual aspects in trading or investing are lacking in experiences; once you gather knowledge and experiences then you start believing into your skills by leaving off any kind of external factors.
I believe in spirituality in life but to say that someone who's good in trading and investing yet, not yet well with financial, there has nothing to do with spiritual about it. There are I know of spiritual law but it's not really connected to this.

I agree that it's about lacking of experience.

Don't know how to manage money, finances and someone might have just been from the lowest up to the top and then is having hard time on keeping up on what's happening to himself so, spending is like becoming a YOLO thing.

If you already believe in spirituality, it will affect all your activities including in business. It is true that success cannot depend only on luck or the help of some invisible force, we need to have the knowledge, experience, and proper application to create the expected results. But as we say, no one can predict the future, and there will always be surprises, so no matter how good you are, it still takes a little luck to lead to success. That luck I will call spiritual.

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January 04, 2023, 02:19:26 PM
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I sit-down to wonder why traders who are consistent in trading and also investing still remain very broke despite the effort they put to erradicating poverty, but it still seems like there is some sort of unforseen and spiritual forces controlling the physical.
• Have you passed your patience in trading crypto.
• Do you find it difficult to understand crypto trading correctly, margins, futures, spot and so on.
• Have you correctly chosen the type of crypto you are trading.
• Have you correctly analyzed your crypto trading volume chart on the market.
• Are you really trading with cold money and with enough capital.

Have you seen the movement of Bitcoin in the past 7 days past the lows of $16,408 and the highs of $16,886, didn't you overcome poverty in the past 7 days with a net income of $478, so how do you say trading has spiritual, curse and so on.

I think you yourself are experiencing spiritual, cursed on the basis of your lack of understanding in trading crypto. Suggestion: if you have small capital don't trade, long term investment is suitable for you to do, gather, collect and collect as much, when the time comes pick it up.

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I always considers trading and investing not very far from just pure luck, honestly there's some technical analysis and similar things that could boost your chance of having some profit still the luck that you have might be the ones that could gets you lifechanging profit in most your investments, even though there are indeed many things that could affect your trading results and being good at managing money is one of them.

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I sit-down to wonder why traders who are consistent in trading and also investing still remain very broke despite the effort they put to erradicating poverty,but it still seems like there is some sort of unforseen and spiritual forces controlling the physical.Or should it be foundational curse from the forefathers affecting the present circumstances?or is it that the poverty is inherited? Or is it a gene or chromosome?.These are questions that that I tend to ask.
Spiritual? If yes then people who spread the religion should be the rich but why business man and investors are rich!

Keep doing wrong doesn't make it right so if someone is losing despite of their hard work then its time to make changes in their strategy for trader as well as investors.

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January 04, 2023, 05:30:26 PM
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I sit-down to wonder why traders who are consistent in trading and also investing still remain very broke despite the effort they put to erradicating poverty,but it still seems like there is some sort of unforseen and spiritual forces controlling the physical.Or should it be foundational curse from the forefathers affecting the present circumstances?or is it that the poverty is inherited? Or is it a gene or chromosome?.These are questions that that I tend to ask.
Spiritual? If yes then people who spread the religion should be the rich but why business man and investors are rich!

Keep doing wrong doesn't make it right so if someone is losing despite their hard work then it's time to make changes in their strategy for traders as well as investors.

Successful traders succeed because of their skills and their religious and spiritual belief has nothing to do with it. No matter how religious you are, if you know nothing about trading, your faith won't make you earn any profit but if you are skilled and applying the right strategies and you are not disregarding continuous learning, you will surely succeed in it.
Trading will not make you succeed in the beginning. You have to go through losses to learn from your mistakes but no spiritual forces or any unseen entities are influencing your journey.
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January 04, 2023, 06:30:52 PM
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Have you seen the movement of Bitcoin in the past 7 days past the lows of $16,408 and the highs of $16,886, didn't you overcome poverty in the past 7 days with a net income of $478, so how do you say trading has spiritual, curse and so on.

I think you yourself are experiencing spiritual, cursed on the basis of your lack of understanding in trading crypto. Suggestion: if you have small capital don't trade, long term investment is suitable for you to do, gather, collect and collect as much, when the time comes pick it up.
Its really hard to find your place in crypto and even if you can answer these questions, what you should do afterwards is still not that easy to see. I mean its such a terrible situation until you find it that you could lose so much money until you do, and this won't be a nice thing at all.

I believe for example that I am a long term holder who doesn't do it mindfully but basically just ignore the market, not a big ask considering all I have to do is not even look at what the price is, I have zero clue what the price is right now for example, I know it is somewhere around 17k range, a bit low or higher probably but that's all, no idea about the exact price at all. However, I still make profit, how? I just buy and hold and forget exactly like this.

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January 04, 2023, 06:44:10 PM
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I sit-down to wonder why traders who are consistent in trading and also investing still remain very broke despite the effort they put to eradicating poverty
They might be having some mental issue which could easily lead to mistakes. And trading emotionally in this situation has to be the main thing. And also those traders who don't have proper knowledge and education about trading could also make the same mistake. Hence, they still trade and invest but instead of making profit, they lose.
For this, I don't think there are any connection with spiritual problems.
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I sit-down to wonder why traders who are consistent in trading and also investing still remain very broke despite the effort they put to erradicating poverty,but it still seems like there is some sort of unforseen and spiritual forces controlling the physical.Or should it be foundational curse from the forefathers affecting the present circumstances?or is it that the poverty is inherited? Or is it a gene or chromosome?.These are questions that that I tend to ask.

There is no spiritual forces that's can hinder profit if the trader can actually trade. Perhaps those people who are your point of reference don't know exactly what they are doing.
I don't know how many traders you have come in contact with or how you come to this conclusion but what I do know is - there are many traders put there profiting from their trade.

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January 05, 2023, 10:57:55 PM
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I sit-down to wonder why traders who are consistent in trading and also investing still remain very broke despite the effort they put to eradicating poverty
They might be having some mental issue which could easily lead to mistakes. And trading emotionally in this situation has to be the main thing. And also those traders who don't have proper knowledge and education about trading could also make the same mistake. Hence, they still trade and invest but instead of making profit, they lose.
For this, I don't think there are any connection with spiritual problems.

It could also be that they are just lying, just as there are gamblers out there which are very vocal about their wins while they hide their losses, there are many traders that are like that too, so while we may have the impression they are making a fortune while they trade as they post about all the profits they have obtained, the truth is that their losses surpass by far those profits, so even if they try to sell themselves as successful traders the reality is nowhere near as optimistic as they try to make us believe.

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I sit-down to wonder why traders who are consistent in trading and also investing still remain very broke despite the effort they put to eradicating poverty
They might be having some mental issue which could easily lead to mistakes. And trading emotionally in this situation has to be the main thing. And also those traders who don't have proper knowledge and education about trading could also make the same mistake. Hence, they still trade and invest but instead of making profit, they lose.
For this, I don't think there are any connection with spiritual problems.

It could also be that they are just lying, just as there are gamblers out there which are very vocal about their wins while they hide their losses, there are many traders that are like that too, so while we may have the impression they are making a fortune while they trade as they post about all the profits they have obtained, the truth is that their losses surpass by far those profits, so even if they try to sell themselves as successful traders the reality is nowhere near as optimistic as they try to make us believe.
You are right on this one which is do really matches up on the reality that we are facing.There are people who are really that loves to brag out their positive results.Doesnt matter if you are involved on

gambling or trading which there are really those kind of people who do really love to show off but we dont really know on whats the story behind which same as you said that we dont know if their losses

is way more than on what they do have on their wins or profitable trades or in other means.So its really hard to believe if someone doesnt really get contented
if they are really on that profitable side.
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January 05, 2023, 11:38:57 PM
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I sit-down to wonder why traders who are consistent in trading and also investing still remain very broke despite the effort they put to erradicating poverty,but it still seems like there is some sort of unforseen and spiritual forces controlling the physical.Or should it be foundational curse from the forefathers affecting the present circumstances?or is it that the poverty is inherited? Or is it a gene or chromosome?.These are questions that that I tend to ask.
It does not mean that even if you go for investing and trading, you will already achieved utmost profits. Of course that will only be possible if you have decent skills and strategies in both of them, otherwise you will end up wasting your money because you are following the wrong patterns for investing and trading. Although there are also some inevitable circumstances, but if you only know how to combat them with your knowledge and skills, you will still win and make significant profits at the end of the day.

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January 05, 2023, 11:45:59 PM
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People who believing into spiritual aspects in trading or investing are lacking in experiences; once you gather knowledge and experiences then you start believing into your skills by leaving off any kind of external factors.
I believe in spirituality in life but to say that someone who's good in trading and investing yet, not yet well with financial, there has nothing to do with spiritual about it. There are I know of spiritual law but it's not really connected to this.

I agree that it's about lacking of experience.

Don't know how to manage money, finances and someone might have just been from the lowest up to the top and then is having hard time on keeping up on what's happening to himself so, spending is like becoming a YOLO thing.
Spiritual aspects when it comes to trading and investing are just few points to consider, but it’s not really that significant. However, if you both trade and invest without knowledge, skills and experience, then you should not expect for it to be successful too. They can still be profitable for some time but definitely, those profits will not be sustainable.

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January 06, 2023, 05:41:03 PM
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I sit-down to wonder why traders who are consistent in trading and also investing still remain very broke despite the effort they put to eradicating poverty
They might be having some mental issue which could easily lead to mistakes. And trading emotionally in this situation has to be the main thing. And also those traders who don't have proper knowledge and education about trading could also make the same mistake. Hence, they still trade and invest but instead of making profit, they lose.
For this, I don't think there are any connection with spiritual problems.

It could also be that they are just lying, just as there are gamblers out there which are very vocal about their wins while they hide their losses, there are many traders that are like that too, so while we may have the impression they are making a fortune while they trade as they post about all the profits they have obtained, the truth is that their losses surpass by far those profits, so even if they try to sell themselves as successful traders the reality is nowhere near as optimistic as they try to make us believe.

Could be true and you need to understand that you can't become successful without loses. Profits and loss are both part of the system. But your profits have to be more than your loses.
And I think those who brags about their wins, they are just putting targets on their back. Why announce your personal life with others, have some privacy, man. And these days, we can't trust no one on the internet. Life has become so hard and we are still making it harder.
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January 07, 2023, 11:16:42 AM
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I sit-down to wonder why traders who are consistent in trading and also investing still remain very broke despite the effort they put to erradicating poverty,but it still seems like there is some sort of unforseen and spiritual forces controlling the physical.Or should it be foundational curse from the forefathers affecting the present circumstances?or is it that the poverty is inherited? Or is it a gene or chromosome?.These are questions that that I tend to ask.

There is no spiritual forces that's can hinder profit if the trader can actually trade. Perhaps those people who are your point of reference don't know exactly what they are doing.
I don't know how many traders you have come in contact with or how you come to this conclusion but what I do know is - there are many traders put there profiting from their trade.

Spiritual forces has nothing to do with trading.  If one is not making profits in trading it means the person still need to learn more about trading. Op just need to forget about that spiritual force mentality and understand the reality of trading and still have to putting in more effort to get more knowledge about trading.  The only thing that can be as a result of loss is trading is lacking the important keys of trading that is always required to make profit.

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January 07, 2023, 01:45:18 PM
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Spiritual aspects when it comes to trading and investing are just few points to consider

How are they few points to consider ? If we are trading with the fear of spiritual connection to the way we trade or the outcome of it then we may be tied to it and not put more effort to learn and get better. The market is not connected by just one person but by many buyers and sellers who don't know each other and our success rate depends on how smart we are in the analysis and market decision we take.
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I sit-down to wonder why traders who are consistent in trading and also investing still remain very broke despite the effort they put to erradicating poverty,but it still seems like there is some sort of unforseen and spiritual forces controlling the physical.Or should it be foundational curse from the forefathers affecting the present circumstances?or is it that the poverty is inherited? Or is it a gene or chromosome?.These are questions that that I tend to ask.
something that changes our lives is hard work and consistency. in trading and investing there is nothing of the sort. if you are still losing in investing and trading, it means you do not have enough skills and knowledge.
the spiritual aspect that might make sense is when you start learning to be calmer in any situation. faced with no emotion and panic. maybe it would be more psychologically correct.

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January 07, 2023, 05:09:16 PM
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I sit-down to wonder why traders who are consistent in trading and also investing still remain very broke despite the effort they put to erradicating poverty,but it still seems like there is some sort of unforseen and spiritual forces controlling the physical.Or should it be foundational curse from the forefathers affecting the present circumstances?or is it that the poverty is inherited? Or is it a gene or chromosome?.These are questions that that I tend to ask.
something that changes our lives is hard work and consistency. in trading and investing there is nothing of the sort. if you are still losing in investing and trading, it means you do not have enough skills and knowledge.
the spiritual aspect that might make sense is when you start learning to be calmer in any situation. faced with no emotion and panic. maybe it would be more psychologically correct.

It is more likely to be emotional and mental not spiritual at all. Spiritual may only came in once we felt that we are wrong spending too much money and losing it in an instant or it is just like conscience. We should learn how to trade little by little so we will not have a problem when we hit sl, we should learn to limit ourselves and we should know that even in trading and investing there's no guarantee that it is 100% will give us ROI we should expect loses as well so that it will not bother us and make us frustrated.
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January 07, 2023, 06:57:38 PM
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I sit-down to wonder why traders who are consistent in trading and also investing still remain very broke despite the effort they put to erradicating poverty,but it still seems like there is some sort of unforseen and spiritual forces controlling the physical.Or should it be foundational curse from the forefathers affecting the present circumstances?or is it that the poverty is inherited? Or is it a gene or chromosome?.These are questions that that I tend to ask.
something that changes our lives is hard work and consistency. in trading and investing there is nothing of the sort. if you are still losing in investing and trading, it means you do not have enough skills and knowledge.
the spiritual aspect that might make sense is when you start learning to be calmer in any situation. faced with no emotion and panic. maybe it would be more psychologically correct.
I dont see any connections about spiritual or something when it comes to this one which it is true that this would be more sort of on psychological aspects on which it do make you really think that it is really that

something wrong in this regard but it all matters on how you do make up trades.If it turns out that it is profitable or you do make money but still have that uncontented feeling
then it doesnt automatically connects out on spiritual aspects.

Its impossible that someone do still feel on being broke after the positive things that do happen into you.Unless if you are extremely greedy and isnt satisfied on what you are currently earning.

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January 11, 2023, 03:12:25 PM
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Spiritual forces has nothing to do with trading.  
Any other mumbo jumbo for that instance. But there are a lot of reasons why people keep trying to connect these things in the era of science.

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If one is not making profits in trading it means the person still need to learn more about trading. Op just need to forget about that spiritual force mentality and understand the reality of trading and still have to putting in more effort to get more knowledge about trading.  The only thing that can be as a result of loss is trading is lacking the important keys of trading that is always required to make profit.
We often make mistakes and overlook them while blaming others for the losses. If someone bought shitcoins instead of bitcoin then they are at fault. If someone bought at an all time high and now asking for profits in a bear market, they are at fault. These may seem simple but these are so common among newbie traders.

All that spiritual bullshit needs to be kept aside and simple method to buy low and sell high should be instituted. Make money from the selling difference, it is a simple math but does not get into your wee brains while still pondering over weed-induced spiritual highs that ruin your lives.

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Well, investing and speculating in the market are two very different processes for me, I think things should be separated and operated in a specific way, in my case I really like investing, obviously I put Bitcoin as the infallible option, not altcoins, because I don't trust altcoins and now less because the market is quite volatile, so for me the only thing I could put into investment is just Bitcoin, now to speculate in the market I like to do it with Bitcoin itself and with relatively strong currencies, with the altocins I see almost all of them as pump and dump, whichever way it is seen, it is the best way as I have discovered it.

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I sit-down to wonder why traders who are consistent in trading and also investing still remain very broke despite the effort they put to erradicating poverty,but it still seems like there is some sort of unforseen and spiritual forces controlling the physical.Or should it be foundational curse from the forefathers affecting the present circumstances?or is it that the poverty is inherited? Or is it a gene or chromosome?.These are questions that that I tend to ask.

We are all human beings in this world, but the ways in which we earn money are very different. You can't just start trading and become wealthy, though there are times when doing so will make you happy because you are making money, but most of the time you might feel like you made a mistake.
This is not the ideal strategy for someone to improve their financial situation if they continue to trade.

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January 18, 2023, 05:20:30 PM
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Lol, nothing spiritual here if you ask me. Have you heard of the word persistent? Yes, so maybe those people are persistent.
There's a saying that goes - If you keep doing the same things, you will keep getting the same results. Maybe these traders like you said who are consistent in trading and also investing still remain very broke despite
the effort they put to eradicating poverty are using the same trading strategy that is not working for them. Maybe they are unwilling to be open-minded and tryout a new trading strategy.
Anyways, if you are stuck in this loop, my candid advise is to stop trading for a couple of days. Use that time for self-reflection.

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I sit-down to wonder why traders who are consistent in trading and also investing still remain very broke despite the effort they put to erradicating poverty,but it still seems like there is some sort of unforseen and spiritual forces controlling the physical.Or should it be foundational curse from the forefathers affecting the present circumstances?or is it that the poverty is inherited? Or is it a gene or chromosome?.These are questions that that I tend to ask.
Everyone strategy of making money is different despite they are doing same business. Trading and investing does not grant your wealth but the methods you are using to do so, many people just started their crypto trading two years back and they are now living fine and some people 4 years and their still struggling in living comfortably because those who are living fine now were able to discovered unique aways of trading.and even for investors it all depend on what you invested will determine your profits. so, we don't expect all investors to have same standard of living because they are not investing same amount of money. Always know the higher you invest in good thing the higher you will make profit in that thing.

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January 19, 2023, 04:05:32 PM
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Lol, nothing spiritual here if you ask me. Have you heard of the word persistent? Yes, so maybe those people are persistent.
There's a saying that goes - If you keep doing the same things, you will keep getting the same results. Maybe these traders like you said who are consistent in trading and also investing still remain very broke despite
the effort they put to eradicating poverty are using the same trading strategy that is not working for them. Maybe they are unwilling to be open-minded and tryout a new trading strategy.
Anyways, if you are stuck in this loop, my candid advise is to stop trading for a couple of days. Use that time for self-reflection.
They have the wrong mindset when they get into trading, investing or whatever. Yes, they only expect profits without thinking about the losses they will receive. I don't deny that maybe everyone has the same goal in the end, namely profit, myself included. But I mean they don't think about the risks that go hand in hand in it.
Running it will not be as easy as seeing other people running it, meaning that there must be knowledge that we must learn beforehand. We also have to manage everything related to the things we do, for example financial management, risk management and so on.

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January 28, 2023, 09:19:11 PM
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let me start out by laughing out loud, cos you sound very much like my nigerian friend, who is very funny indeed.  trading and investing can be a difficult and uncertain endeavor, and it's not uncommon for traders and investors to experience periods of financial struggle, regardless of their level of consistency or effort.

There are many factors that can contribute to a trader or investor's financial success or failure, including market conditions, personal circumstances, and individual skill and experience.

it is important to remember that no one is completely immune to financial struggles and that it is a common human experience.

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January 28, 2023, 09:43:59 PM
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expression of dissatisfaction in life management
and it's natural for those who get bad luck in seeking the luck of life...
but being consistent in trading and also investing has not determined success in changing lives and this doesn't just happen in both jobs, spiritual and emotional strength quision two different lines I think OP knows that...
try to find the consistency of a job by not relying on one way because freedom from poverty has a way from another way, when we find it here is what consistency really means

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January 28, 2023, 10:55:09 PM
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expression of dissatisfaction in life management
and it's natural for those who get bad luck in seeking the luck of life...
but being consistent in trading and also investing has not determined success in changing lives and this doesn't just happen in both jobs, spiritual and emotional strength quision two different lines I think OP knows that...
try to find the consistency of a job by not relying on one way because freedom from poverty has a way from another way, when we find it here is what consistency really means
Human beings is really like this on which they arent really that get easily contented for whatever they had already that attained which its no surprise at all.Lets say that trading career
had been successful and turns out that you are already that making profits and able to be that sustainable but still you are really that crying out and thinking that you arent happen
or having that dissatisfaction without pointing out the reason.Whether on what it would be but still it cant really be blamed out because there are ones
who are really that not just grateful on what they had achieved or wants something more.
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If a person is consistent then it does not mean that he will necessarily get profit because sometime the market suddenly alters and all of the hopes become useless. I think that if an individual loses regularly then may be he does not have any experience or may be he is using some wrong planing.

Other thing is that trading is just for enhance your present income but if you did not succeed then surely you will get experience, also trading is not related to the genetic abilities. Although brilliant abilities comes as a result of inheritance but cryptocurrency is not related to the genes and genetic characters.

It is the hardworking, experience and something luck which will give you better results.

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I sit-down to wonder why traders who are consistent in trading and also investing still remain very broke despite the effort they put to erradicating poverty,but it still seems like there is some sort of unforseen and spiritual forces controlling the physical.Or should it be foundational curse from the forefathers affecting the present circumstances?or is it that the poverty is inherited? Or is it a gene or chromosome?.These are questions that that I tend to ask.
Could you believe I couldn't stop laughing reading your post? I guess you are a Nigerian, perhaps some black part of Africa. Frankly, a thing like spiritual could be present, but they target a few sets of people, so it's irrelevant since the majority are losing in retail trading/investments. Professionally, based on my experience, people do not understand what trading and investment are, they are rushing in and out and approaching them wrongly.

This causes their losses, and since you can't make money through them, you will lose, hence the reason for their poverty. This will continue until they get it right.

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I sit-down to wonder why traders who are consistent in trading and also investing still remain very broke despite the effort they put to erradicating poverty,but it still seems like there is some sort of unforseen and spiritual forces controlling the physical.Or should it be foundational curse from the forefathers affecting the present circumstances?or is it that the poverty is inherited? Or is it a gene or chromosome?.These are questions that that I tend to ask.
Could you believe I couldn't stop laughing reading your post? I guess you are a Nigerian, perhaps some black part of Africa. Frankly, a thing like spiritual could be present, but they target a few sets of people, so it's irrelevant since the majority are losing in retail trading/investments. Professionally, based on my experience, people do not understand what trading and investment are, they are rushing in and out and approaching them wrongly.

This causes their losses, and since you can't make money through them, you will lose, hence the reason for their poverty. This will continue until they get it right.
Who would really be that sad on the time that they are making money or being profitable with trading or something that they are engaging into? When you do know into yourself that you are really that making money
and making yourself get out from poverty and making or having that feeling of being sad just because you arent that contented or looking for something?

This is actually a personal kind of viewpoint since not all would really be that able to feel such condition which it is really impossible for you not to be happy and contented if you do
saw that you are pretty doing well specially on trading and investing. Being not contented is really just a matter of each everyones perspective.

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I sit-down to wonder why traders who are consistent in trading and also investing still remain very broke despite the effort they put to erradicating poverty,but it still seems like there is some sort of unforseen and spiritual forces controlling the physical.Or should it be foundational curse from the forefathers affecting the present circumstances?or is it that the poverty is inherited? Or is it a gene or chromosome?.These are questions that that I tend to ask.
Could you believe I couldn't stop laughing reading your post? I guess you are a Nigerian, perhaps some black part of Africa. Frankly, a thing like spiritual could be present, but they target a few sets of people, so it's irrelevant since the majority are losing in retail trading/investments. Professionally, based on my experience, people do not understand what trading and investment are, they are rushing in and out and approaching them wrongly.

This causes their losses, and since you can't make money through them, you will lose, hence the reason for their poverty. This will continue until they get it right.
What makes you think he is a Nigerian/African? Is it because the people there are spiritual? But what about on other countries? I think all are the same. Or do you mean something? Hmm. Spiritual does exist and it can be possible that it's one of the cause on why we lose on trading or on any other activities that we are doing but their effect is not 100 percent. Other than to be spiritual we also need to learn more or practice more (be consistent).

I believe this is the major thing that can makes us successful. Some people are consistent and yet still fail because they are following the wrong program. Sometimes, we should also learn to switch and realize our mistakes early.
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Trading is a useful tool for the individuals of all present generations It is obvious that a person always learns from other may be he is a brother, neighbor and someone other. If a person learns in a better way then surely he will occupy the successful position in cryptocurrency trading but if he regularly fails then perhaps he become discourage and left behind the trading. I think that a person seeks from his own experience too whatever it is good or bad. It is also a fact that you have always effected by the success of your family in my opinion if your family is well in such activities then you will automatically involved in it.

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February 10, 2023, 04:50:33 PM
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I sit-down to wonder why traders who are consistent in trading and also investing still remain very broke despite the effort they put to erradicating poverty,but it still seems like there is some sort of unforseen and spiritual forces controlling the physical.Or should it be foundational curse from the forefathers affecting the present circumstances?or is it that the poverty is inherited? Or is it a gene or chromosome?.These are questions that that I tend to ask.

Normally rich people don’t trade, they just invest for long term and check the market rarely. Whereas the traders are the real hustlers. They have low income and they use some of it in trading to earn a few extra bucks. This is the reason, when they make losses in trading, they are considered as broke. Moreover trading isn’t also like gambling, where you do or die in one sort. In trading the risk involved is less and hence they don’t actually make tons of money overnight. And yes I don’t thin trading should be considered as spiritual.

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February 10, 2023, 07:53:03 PM
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I sit-down to wonder why traders who are consistent in trading and also investing still remain very broke despite the effort they put to erradicating poverty,but it still seems like there is some sort of unforseen and spiritual forces controlling the physical.Or should it be foundational curse from the forefathers affecting the present circumstances?or is it that the poverty is inherited? Or is it a gene or chromosome?.These are questions that that I tend to ask.
You need to knwk that for you to be a trader does not necessarily means that you are going to making plenty of money. Trading is not spiritual so you don't have to think that for you to trade and make good money is spiritual. The problem might come from either you are not doing what others are doing to be a consistent and profitable trader.

Tryand work on yourself and do some research maybe that will help you to make cool cash as a trader. You need to understand the market for you to be a profitable trader also how the market moves. Making money in trading is not something you just jump in and expect to be a big tarder. You need to work on your psychology also to control your mind and your feelings.









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February 11, 2023, 03:14:49 AM
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Normally rich people don’t trade, they just invest for long term and check the market rarely. Whereas the traders are the real hustlers. They have low income and they use some of it in trading to earn a few extra bucks. This is the reason, when they make losses in trading, they are considered as broke. Moreover trading isn’t also like gambling, where you do or die in one sort. In trading the risk involved is less and hence they don’t actually make tons of money overnight. And yes I don’t thin trading should be considered as spiritual.
A well-balanced trader will open just one trading position with a high leverage or lotsizes with full interest to keeping the trade open for a week or months. They don't care if it will result in a significant loss in the end; instead, they focus on the risks involved in order to be rewarded in a colossal manner. People with good salaries are more likely to gain easy profits without stress. Trading is more suited to the wealthy than the underprivileged. Forgetting the proverb that has protected many beginning traders, "Crypto is not a get rich quick scheme," an average trader with no capital would be desperate for significant gains in the market. I always keep that in the back of my mind whenever I'm opening my trading account.

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A well-balanced trader will open just one trading position with a high leverage or lotsizes with full interest to keeping the trade open for a week or months.


Not really. So balanced and experienced trader also trade by margingale and that involves trading multiple coins or orders at the same time.


They don't care if it will result in a significant loss in the end; instead, they focus on the risks involved in order to be rewarded in a colossal manner. People with good salaries are more likely to gain easy profits without stress.


Greed is the major reason th

Trading is more suited to the wealthy than the underprivileged.


I don't agree rather trading has profited more underprivileged than the wealthy. An underprivileged need to be gradual and consistently make profit to get to the top.


Forgetting the proverb that has protected many beginning traders, "Crypto is not a get rich quick scheme," an average trader with no capital would be desperate for significant gains in the market.


This is a contradiction to what your view is about a wealthy trader and underprivileged trader. Getting rich quick is not just good conception for a trader

I always keep that in the back of my mind whenever I'm opening my trading account.

I think you can change that and put it now in the front of your mind because you already contradicted yourself by saying wealthy people trade with high leverage which means they are expecting getting richer quick instead of gradual profit taking like those who have less capital and not seeing trading as get rich quick syndrome.
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February 17, 2023, 11:25:49 PM
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I sit-down to wonder why traders who are consistent in trading and also investing still remain very broke despite the effort they put to erradicating poverty,but it still seems like there is some sort of unforseen and spiritual forces controlling the physical.Or should it be foundational curse from the forefathers affecting the present circumstances?or is it that the poverty is inherited? Or is it a gene or chromosome?.These are questions that that I tend to ask.
It does not mean that even if you go for investing and trading, you will already achieved utmost profits. Of course that will only be possible if you have decent skills and strategies in both of them, otherwise you will end up wasting your money because you are following the wrong patterns for investing and trading. Although there are also some inevitable circumstances, but if you only know how to combat them with your knowledge and skills, you will still win and make significant profits at the end of the day.
Traders that seems to be broke just only depend on trading and do not have another source of income. It is not just possible people will depend only on trading,  these is the mistake lot of person normally I have.  They want to do trading with mentality of to gain source of income. If at all one Wanr to depend in trading their should be sufficient amount of money for trading and a good experience as a trader than as a beginner craving to make money with shallow knowledge.

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February 18, 2023, 04:04:41 PM
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Before attributing poor results to spiritual forces, It is ideal to find out what those investors and traders who fail in crypto business do wrongly. First of all are they patient enough, secondly are they knowledgable about how the market moves either technically or fundamentally. Most times we attribute bad things to spiritual force and neglect the physical things we aren't doing right.

One thing i know and have experienced myself is that there is no power that can stand on the way of a dedicated and determined soul. Except they keep doing the wrong thing and assume they are right or they are unteachable and refuse to learn the right way.
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February 19, 2023, 11:57:14 AM
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I sit-down to wonder why traders who are consistent in trading and also investing still remain very broke despite the effort they put to erradicating poverty,but it still seems like there is some sort of unforseen and spiritual forces controlling the physical.Or should it be foundational curse from the forefathers affecting the present circumstances?or is it that the poverty is inherited? Or is it a gene or chromosome?.These are questions that that I tend to ask.
It vary between each person. Probably when the market isn't something they would expect to be and their mental become worse and changed based around the market does exist for some people and it could be scary if they lose because of that, hence they'd prefer to just do long-term hold instead. Although they do it consistently, but if we are talking about mentality and emotions then they have to improve it by themselves from several source to fix their behavior and state of emotions.

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February 19, 2023, 12:05:53 PM
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I sit-down to wonder why traders who are consistent in trading and also investing still remain very broke despite the effort they put to erradicating poverty,but it still seems like there is some sort of unforseen and spiritual forces controlling the physical.Or should it be foundational curse from the forefathers affecting the present circumstances?or is it that the poverty is inherited? Or is it a gene or chromosome?.These are questions that that I tend to ask.
It vary between each person. Probably when the market isn't something they would expect to be and their mental become worse and changed based around the market does exist for some people and it could be scary if they lose because of that, hence they'd prefer to just do long-term hold instead. Although they do it consistently, but if we are talking about mentality and emotions then they have to improve it by themselves from several source to fix their behavior and state of emotions.
yes, it all depends on us. when we want to grow and try to improve our emotions and mentality when trading before. I'm sure there will be better opportunities in the future. whether it's trading or indeed long term investment.
indeed sometimes we can only choose to trade or invest. not everyone has the skills and luck to do both. most of them have to focus on one of them to get maximum results. as long as we try, I'm sure, there will be a plan according to what we want.

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February 19, 2023, 12:27:16 PM
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I sit-down to wonder why traders who are consistent in trading and also investing still remain very broke despite the effort they put to erradicating poverty,but it still seems like there is some sort of unforseen and spiritual forces controlling the physical.Or should it be foundational curse from the forefathers affecting the present circumstances?or is it that the poverty is inherited? Or is it a gene or chromosome?.These are questions that that I tend to ask.
It does not mean that even if you go for investing and trading, you will already achieved utmost profits. Of course that will only be possible if you have decent skills and strategies in both of them, otherwise you will end up wasting your money because you are following the wrong patterns for investing and trading. Although there are also some inevitable circumstances, but if you only know how to combat them with your knowledge and skills, you will still win and make significant profits at the end of the day.
Traders that seems to be broke just only depend on trading and do not have another source of income. It is not just possible people will depend only on trading,  these is the mistake lot of person normally I have.  They want to do trading with mentality of to gain source of income. If at all one Wanr to depend in trading their should be sufficient amount of money for trading and a good experience as a trader than as a beginner craving to make money with shallow knowledge.

People think that trading is easy, and some of them will jump into it, but it turns out to be difficult, and they quit along the way. This is mostly my first impression of those people who will just say, "Buy low, sell high." Also, only a few or those professional traders are the only ones doing it full time as they see that they can get more profit than working in a job, but like us small-time traders, we can't do it as we don't have much capital and we still haven't perfected our strategy.
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February 23, 2023, 06:11:13 AM
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Before attributing poor results to spiritual forces, It is ideal to find out what those investors and traders who fail in crypto business do wrongly. First of all are they patient enough, secondly are they knowledgable about how the market moves either technically or fundamentally. Most times we attribute bad things to spiritual force and neglect the physical things we aren't doing right.

One thing i know and have experienced myself is that there is no power that can stand on the way of a dedicated and determined soul. Except they keep doing the wrong thing and assume they are right or they are unteachable and refuse to learn the right way.
True, like this can be sought the cause, whether he really does it well or not. Because if this is associated with spiritual things or other things it seems too excessive in my opinion. The desire to learn in my opinion will also greatly affect the results of what is done, in this case trading or investing. Because how could people be successful while they are lazy to learn to know what they don't know. It will be very strange when they are lazy to learn and they want to have a decent knowledge of trading and investing.

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February 23, 2023, 12:43:22 PM
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The desire to learn in my opinion will also greatly affect the results of what is done, in this case trading or investing. Because how could people be successful while they are lazy to learn to know what they don't know. It will be very strange when they are lazy to learn and they want to have a decent knowledge of trading and investing.
If someone is eager to learn something such as trading, they'll try hard and won't be giving up quickly when they fail at the beginning.
The eagerness to learn and make a profit is what will push them to their best whatever it takes for them to reach that very moment. Failure is part of the process and the same goes for learning as it will require them a lot of time in doing so, because many do fail and stop learning at the same time when they don't feel it anymore.

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February 23, 2023, 03:45:48 PM
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Before attributing poor results to spiritual forces, It is ideal to find out what those investors and traders who fail in crypto business do wrongly. First of all are they patient enough, secondly are they knowledgable about how the market moves either technically or fundamentally. Most times we attribute bad things to spiritual force and neglect the physical things we aren't doing right.

One thing i know and have experienced myself is that there is no power that can stand on the way of a dedicated and determined soul. Except they keep doing the wrong thing and assume they are right or they are unteachable and refuse to learn the right way.
True, like this can be sought the cause, whether he really does it well or not. Because if this is associated with spiritual things or other things it seems too excessive in my opinion. The desire to learn in my opinion will also greatly affect the results of what is done, in this case trading or investing. Because how could people be successful while they are lazy to learn to know what they don't know. It will be very strange when they are lazy to learn and they want to have a decent knowledge of trading and investing.
I gotta tell yaa that continous improvement and learnin are keyy when it comes to tradin or investin. The market's always changin and evolving, so it's crucial to keep up with the latest trends, news, and strategiess to make informed decisions. Sometimess, we can get soo lost in the analysis that we forget to trust our own dam instincts! I remeber thiss one time when I almost didnt buy a coin that I had a hunch about because all the technicall indicators were pointin the other way. But I decided to roll the dice and trust my gutt, and boy did it payy off! Of course, I'm not sayin to throw all logic out the window - do your doo diligence, people - but dont be afraid to take calculated riskss and trust your intuition. So, to all you aspiring traders out there, keep on learnin', but also remember to trust your gutt every now and then!



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