Why is it becoming a thread for casinos refusing paying very huge winnings?

[mvdheuvel1983]

What got me worried isn't just the winning but why are casinos getting away without paying players their exactly winnings with some shitty excuses ?

Contrary to popular belief, casinos don't have an endless supply of cash nor do they have vaults filled with millions of dollars like many believe.
Casinos have been designed so that you should lose instead of them. It should be you who suffers financial loss, not them.
To be safe, the majority of them contain a warning that reads, "Malfunctions Void Winning."
And when you sue them, the judge will rule in their favor because it is supported by the law. The gambler suffers two losses.

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[Sithara007]

These , Yeah you are good  in explaining those sides because people are solely interesting on how they claim this as scam while there are 2 sides to check on that matter because I have seen huge winning in Slot machine over the year but the problem is that in this? the involve amount is even higher than those lottery jackpot.

If it is a genuine machine malfunction, then I don't think that we can do much about it. Let's take an example where the slot machine malfunctioned and gave a winning of $10 trillion. Is it expected that the casino will still go ahead and transfer the amount to the winner? There is a maximum amount that can be won with these machines. If the machine malfunctions and rewards someone with an amount higher than this threshold, then the casino can't be held responsible. Because the gambler purchased the ticket perfectly understanding that the maximum possible winning can be up to a particular threshold.

[rodskee]

Have just read the thread recently and found out that it happens years ago but it looks like the casino's claim are legit that it is a malfunction from that machine , because I'm not sure that there will ever be a jackpot high as that ? 43 million dollars and I'm sure many gamblers here will support that one .
does anyone of us have seen big as that winning slot?

[Kakmakr]

We do not have all the information, but we have to understand that gambling occur on digital platforms and that glitches might happen.

Let's take an example : You play a Slot with a Maximum payout of 30 000x and a maximum bet amount of $10.... so the maximum payout should be $300 000 ....but when you win with a glitch, it says $40 000 000 .....so in this case, the casino has a valid reason not to honor the payout, because it is way more than the maximum payout that this Slot can pay.

So some casinos are just looking for a reason not to pay.... and that is sad. (Mostly using the KYC or ToS to their advantage)  

[YinShuiSiYuan]

These , Yeah you are good  in explaining those sides because people are solely interesting on how they claim this as scam while there are 2 sides to check on that matter because I have seen huge winning in Slot machine over the year but the problem is that in this? the involve amount is even higher than those lottery jackpot.

If it is a genuine machine malfunction, then I don't think that we can do much about it. Let's take an example where the slot machine malfunctioned and gave a winning of $10 trillion. Is it expected that the casino will still go ahead and transfer the amount to the winner? There is a maximum amount that can be won with these machines. If the machine malfunctions and rewards someone with an amount higher than this threshold, then the casino can't be held responsible. Because the gambler purchased the ticket perfectly understanding that the maximum possible winning can be up to a particular threshold.

If this is the case then the casino management should inform the players at that time and explain the matter in detail so that to avoid any misunderstanding and choas at the end.
Recently read a story about women who won huge amount and the casino called her next day to get the price money but next day they refused to pay and stuff so these things should be avoided and taken care off.

[CryptoYar]

I came across a topic recently now on this very thread about a casino refusing to pay a woman ber jackpot winnings of over £35.4m and if you'll agree me that, this isn't a little sum of money to just ignore.

She won only $2.25, not £35.4m according to the New York State Gaming Commission.

The New York State Gaming Commission said Bookman’s machine had malfunctioned, and that she'd actually won just $2.25 (£1.86).

Despite all of that, I think she deserved more than dinner. The casino owners should have at least given her a few thousand dollars because after all the fault was from their side.

[bitzizzix]

I came across a topic recently now on this very thread about a casino refusing to pay a woman ber jackpot winnings of over £35.4m and if you'll agree me that, this isn't a little sum of money to just ignore.

She won only $2.25, not £35.4m according to the New York State Gaming Commission.

The New York State Gaming Commission said Bookman’s machine had malfunctioned, and that she'd actually won just $2.25 (£1.86).

Despite all of that, I think she deserved more than dinner. The casino owners should have at least given her a few thousand dollars because after all the fault was from their side.

True, women should get more out of dinner, even if the dinner is very lavish, not worth what women get. Because the error lies with the casino, and the casino should notify or attach a written note for information, that the casino machine is damaged or cannot be used.
even if it is actually a big or small win, the user is not to blame and whatever the reason if it is the fault of the casino if it does not want its reputation to be tarnished.

[ultrloa]

These , Yeah you are good  in explaining those sides because people are solely interesting on how they claim this as scam while there are 2 sides to check on that matter because I have seen huge winning in Slot machine over the year but the problem is that in this? the involve amount is even higher than those lottery jackpot.

If it is a genuine machine malfunction, then I don't think that we can do much about it. Let's take an example where the slot machine malfunctioned and gave a winning of $10 trillion. Is it expected that the casino will still go ahead and transfer the amount to the winner? There is a maximum amount that can be won with these machines. If the machine malfunctions and rewards someone with an amount higher than this threshold, then the casino can't be held responsible. Because the gambler purchased the ticket perfectly understanding that the maximum possible winning can be up to a particular threshold.

If this is the case then the casino management should inform the players at that time and explain the matter in detail so that to avoid any misunderstanding and choas at the end.
Recently read a story about women who won huge amount and the casino called her next day to get the price money but next day they refused to pay and stuff so these things should be avoided and taken care off.

Provably they release some word about this issue to the public but I bet many people believe about what statement they release since its a unacceptable reason and the winner should be credited on her winnings because he just bet without using any abusive method.

Those reasons are just excuse because they don't want to pay the winner.

[Naficopa]

I came across a topic recently now on this very thread about a casino refusing to pay a woman ber jackpot winnings of over £35.4m and if you'll agree me that, this isn't a little sum of money to just ignore.

She won only $2.25, not £35.4m according to the New York State Gaming Commission.

The New York State Gaming Commission said Bookman’s machine had malfunctioned, and that she'd actually won just $2.25 (£1.86).

Despite all of that, I think she deserved more than dinner. The casino owners should have at least given her a few thousand dollars because after all the fault was from their side.

True, women should get more out of dinner, even if the dinner is very lavish, not worth what women get. Because the error lies with the casino, and the casino should notify or attach a written note for information, that the casino machine is damaged or cannot be used.
even if it is actually a big or small win, the user is not to blame and whatever the reason if it is the fault of the casino if it does not want its reputation to be tarnished.

Yea atleast women should get the money the casino can give a prize money  to compensate her loss as she won big amount. Because that's was total casino's fault as their slot machine had some issue and its their Duty to cover such damages.

[BobK71]

I came across a topic recently now on this very thread about a casino refusing to pay a woman ber jackpot winnings of over £35.4m and if you'll agree me that, this isn't a little sum of money to just ignore.

She won only $2.25, not £35.4m according to the New York State Gaming Commission.

The New York State Gaming Commission said Bookman’s machine had malfunctioned, and that she'd actually won just $2.25 (£1.86).

Despite all of that, I think she deserved more than dinner. The casino owners should have at least given her a few thousand dollars because after all the fault was from their side.

True, women should get more out of dinner, even if the dinner is very lavish, not worth what women get. Because the error lies with the casino, and the casino should notify or attach a written note for information, that the casino machine is damaged or cannot be used.
even if it is actually a big or small win, the user is not to blame and whatever the reason if it is the fault of the casino if it does not want its reputation to be tarnished.

No reputable casino site can do this. If the casino machine was not usable, how could the woman play there? Also, the casino has many web cameras for security purposes, one of which must have been visible. Here the great indifference of the Casino Authority can be observed in a perilous manner. Since the lady won there big amount she should have been given a respectable gift. But in return they invite him for a dinner that no one would ever want to accept.

[TopTort777]

We do not have all the information, but we have to understand that gambling occur on digital platforms and that glitches might happen.

Let's take an example : You play a Slot with a Maximum payout of 30 000x and a maximum bet amount of $10.... so the maximum payout should be $300 000 ....but when you win with a glitch, it says $40 000 000 .....so in this case, the casino has a valid reason not to honor the payout, because it is way more than the maximum payout that this Slot can pay.

The as far as I remember, she was playing on special jackpot slot. Also your calculations somehow isnt correct, because if you say that 30 000x is max, but you can get free spins with that 10 bucks bet. I dont believe that a slot machine can glitch. When the slot is created, software is installed and setup is done, it works perfectly. It can only glitch if someone has modified its software imho.

And as to reasons why casinos refuse to pay huge winnings I see only two reasons: casinos greed (shady casinos kick winners out to save business) and lack of funds to pay winning (they just show big jackpot numbers on screens to gain visitors).

[danherbias07]

It's either they don't have the money or they have the connection in the government to do these shitty things and they can still get away with it.
Well, they do pay a lot in taxes. Imagine if they will pay millions of dollars in one jackpot winner which could've been in the pocket of those government officials? It's a conspiracy theory but that's all I can think about why these casinos are brave enough to not pay and even if the victim takes it to court they can get away from it.
35 million. If they will pay just half of it and be acquitted then it's worth it.

[rhomelmabini]

Do staffs doesn't check first the slot machines once they open for the day? I think there are still some theory in here that they might have scammed the woman, it's not impossible if they really can't pay her in the first place. If he indeed won with just payout glitch, then she might be honored on what she could have won on that moment, right? It's a win after all, the glitch was just the winning payout.

[Yatsan]

That's the sad reality. Some casinos are just not really into fairness or equality. The same idea as well exist with the treatment among players;bigger players vs smaller ones wherein the big ones are having a more convenient experience. But going back with the given situation, I also cam across with the mentioned topic; and as I've said, that was just some ugly excuse. If the machine was broken in the first place why did they even llow its operation? just for the players to enjoy? it is money we re talking about, not just some sort of a dumb game. I also believe that was planned such that whenever people would win big time, they'd emphasize the problem to forfeit the winnings. But I still want to know the side of the casino, and I hope that won't be another lame excuse.

[robelneo]

I came across a topic recently now on this very thread about a casino refusing to pay a woman ber jackpot winnings of over £35.4m and if you'll agree me that, this isn't a little sum of money to just ignore.

What got me worried isn't just the winning but why are casinos getting away without paying players their exactly winnings with some shitty excuses ?

Link to the post of the woman's winnings below
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5433888.0
Please I really want to understand this question and will be glad to hear from people

Do you mean trend, not thread, its a case to case basis no use generalizing its bad for the industry if gamblers have this kind of perception or opinion, its usually because of the violation committed by the users on online casinos it usually because of double account, exploiting a bug but in the case of a player in the article its because of the malfunction of the machine, in that case, I believe the lady deserves his winnings or at least she should be compensated because its emotional agony, knowing that she won because she plays fair but the casino decides that she is not the winner because of the machine malfunction, which is not under her control.

[virasisog]

They might lack enough funds to pay the winner but that should be a reason enough for them to make excuses like what happened to that woman. It isn't justifiable if they will just say that the machine isn't functioning right because, in the first place, they should be responsible to check all of it before they allow gamblers to use their machines.
They should pay accountable for what they did to that woman. Choosing a trusted casino really matters so we can get rid of this scenario.

[rahmad2nd]

I came across a topic recently now on this very thread about a casino refusing to pay a woman ber jackpot winnings of over £35.4m and if you'll agree me that, this isn't a little sum of money to just ignore.

What got me worried isn't just the winning but why are casinos getting away without paying players their exactly winnings with some shitty excuses ?

Link to the post of the woman's winnings below
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5433888.0
Please I really want to understand this question and will be glad to hear from people

First of all, the casino claimed that there was damage to the slot machine. Second, I'm very curious, what slot game does this woman play and how much is the bet per spin. so that the total winnings he gets are very unreasonable for a slot machine. or am I the one who is not up to date so I don't know that there is a slot machine that issues such a big reward.

Imagine, that much money I can use to buy luxury homes and luxury cars in my country. third, is the slot machine game the reward the same as the lottery prize. even then, if you get a jackpot from playing slots, what's strange is whether the reward can really be that big. so it makes sense to me, that the slot machine was damaged.

IMO the mistake of a casino is to ignore a machine that has a breakdown that they are blatantly negligent in their slot machine maintenance. I think the casino should provide something more valuable than just offering dinner at the restaurant. at least, the woman was properly rewarded.

[Genemind]

It's simply that the sites may have some reasons by refusing to pay that woman. This has become a common problem for sure. That's why people who didn't get paid will always try to blow up the case to make sure that will be pushing the sites to pay what they deserve by winning the big reward.
So many problems happened with the various sites started from that. That's why we must be careful with any of gambling sites. that's a lot of money. The sites must try to pay what they can affort to pay it.
I think that this gonna be a long term problem since the winner will not let the site will not pay him. That's why stay away from the casino that was offering non sense reward. They have high chance to not pay.

Resorts World Casino is not an online site it's a real casino. We will never know whether the slot machine is faulty, but one thing is for sure they are making use of their TOS to avoid paying the woman's jackpot money. If in case the machine is malfunctioning will they be refunding all the money they have earned while the machine is faulty? I guess the story will not be the same. I guess this isn't the first time we've heard such a story where gamblers were denied their winnings for several reasons, such as malfunction, fraudulent acts, or cheating.

[SirLancelot]

Any casino that those not pay their customers any amount they win is definitely a scam casino, no matter how huge the amount is. I believe they decided not to pay the woman because they believe it's a huge amount and they can't afford to lose that amount of money, but if it's the woman that lose that kind of amount, they won't refund the money to her and they won't give her other offers, the money is gone. Why is the casino not ready to lose, they just want to be winning always which is very bad. The funniest part is that they didn't even give her better offer just a steak dinner, that's very annoying.

Before calling them a scam, it would be better to know the real story first. In the link that the OP shared, it was actually the woman's fault on why it end up like that. She already been told that the machine is malfunctioning and yet she still continued to play. Other than that, I think there is also a warning/sign around the machine, saying that it is malfunctioning.

I am not sure if the girl didn't notice that or she just insist to play for fun. What happened about her winning millions, isn't unexpected but she thinks she is lucky and she is going to claim it but offered by a dinner instead. The owner is still kind and she must be thankful about it.

[uneng]

What got me worried isn't just the winning but why are casinos getting away without paying players their exactly winnings with some shitty excuses ?

Contrary to popular belief, casinos don't have an endless supply of cash nor do they have vaults filled with millions of dollars like many believe.
Casinos have been designed so that you should lose instead of them. It should be you who suffers financial loss, not them.
To be safe, the majority of them contain a warning that reads, "Malfunctions Void Winning."
And when you sue them, the judge will rule in their favor because it is supported by the law. The gambler suffers two losses.

In a world which belong to hustlers, people have to read every micro and hidden details before depositing their money or placing a bet, because there might be a term and condition somewhere on the machine stating even if you win, you may not receive your prize for any reason presented by the casino. And doesn't matter how dirty the term and condition is, the judge will rule the foolish gambler didn't pay attention to the micro details, so the house is allowed to deny the payment. How convenient for the casino it is! It truly looks like gamblers are being pranked when facing these situations.