My Cold Keys Just Got Swiped! All Cold Kuntz!!

[2stout]

I provided a sketch on 2 rounds of voting and options that provides a framework, if not a template.  With that being said, I really feel that loans should absolutely be off the table as that is totally different from participating in a public product offering.  One is like going into business or a partnership with him and the other is purchasing products from him, again totally different things with different motivations and expected outcomes.

[MoparMiningLLC]

I provided a sketch on 2 rounds of voting and options that provides a framework, if not a template.  With that being said, I really feel that loans should absolutely be off the table as that is totally different from participating in a public product offering.  One is like going into business or a partnership with him and the other is purchasing products from him, again totally different things with different motivations and expected outcomes.

that I can agree with (about the loans) it still is a theft on the part of yogg- sounds like he was trying to rope in as many loans, sales etc so he could have more funds when he decided to fuck every one but yes it was a known risk as projects can fail. the keys on cards already made or ordered should not have failed. He lied about his process - shows he was leaving it open from the start.

[PreciousMetapsICT]

Bump - did I miss a new post deciding what is being
Done with the auction funds??

FFS people - it’s been a year - refund the donators but let’s not just let it sit

[ChiBitCTy]

Bump - did I miss a new post deciding what is being
Done with the auction funds??

FFS people - it’s been a year - refund the donators but let’s not just let it sit

Agreed. Donators should be refunded period at this point. I think this is the direction this is headed.

[anonymousminer]

Bump - did I miss a new post deciding what is being
Done with the auction funds??

FFS people - it’s been a year - refund the donators but let’s not just let it sit

Agreed. Donators should be refunded period at this point. I think this is the direction this is headed.

Yes refund to the donors minus transaction fees and let them decide how or if they even want to distribute the funds.  End this shitshow already!

[aoluain]

I wasnt involved and i'm not firing rounds at anyone but isnt it amazing that the consequences
of Yogg's scam continues

[PreciousMetapsICT]

I wasnt involved and i'm not firing rounds at anyone but isnt it amazing that the consequences
of Yogg's scam continues

I knew distribution of funds would be a shit show - called it before the auctions were even over. Great idea, but nobody wants to compromise, everyone values their loss the greatest, and most importantly people would rather do nothing than make a decision. Doing nothing is the worse decision. Donate the funds if nothing else.

And yes - Patrick’s scam will continue to affect people. I have 30 near worthless coldscam cards that will continue to remind me not to trust btc people no matter how long they have been around. BTC Penny may be the next one to fall the way things are looking. Thank God he didn’t make funded wallets

[MoparMiningLLC]

who needs to make a decision? Should this not be smoothie who decides?

as for someones loss being bigger than someone elses? that should not matter.

Set a guideline - pay those who lost funds from being swept. (and pay cygan for those he reimbursed)

if there are any funds after paying those - pay for undelivered orders and unfunded cards.

if anything after that (probably wont be) then look at paying those who loaned funds maybe.


The only issue I see is that with some of the "swept" ones. Many are very clearly swept - when 30-40 cards all went to one address.

However, there were a few I question are the ones where 1 or 2 cards were swept but went to a different address and not an address any other cards went to - those I feel might be people who swept their own cards and are trying to get double paid.

[minerjones]

(Cross posting this on the original auction list thread just in case)

AUCTION 1: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5439649.msg61778552#msg61778552

-AOLUAIN'S POST: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5439649.msg61756857#msg61756857
-WINNING BID SHOULD BE 0.0017 NOT 0.0019

AUCTION 2: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5440122.msg61799832#msg61799832

AUCTION 3: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5440784.msg61820353#msg61820353

AUCTION 4: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5441677.msg61863117#msg61863117

ORIGNAL TOTAL: 0.4003

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5434623.msg61866120#msg61866120

NEW TOTAL: 0.3958

SOMEONE PLEASE CHECK MY MATH!!!!

THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE THE DONATION FROM MAX (KIALARA)

WHILE I HAVE NO SAY IN HOW THIS WORKS, I VOTE FOR REFUNDING THE DONATORS AND IF THEY REFUSE/DO NOT WANT THE REFUND THEN WE CAN DONATE THE REMAINING (IF ANY) FUNDS

[ChiBitCTy]

who needs to make a decision? Should this not be smoothie who decides?

as for someones loss being bigger than someone elses? that should not matter.

Set a guideline - pay those who lost funds from being swept. (and pay cygan for those he reimbursed)

if there are any funds after paying those - pay for undelivered orders and unfunded cards.

if anything after that (probably wont be) then look at paying those who loaned funds maybe.


The only issue I see is that with some of the "swept" ones. Many are very clearly swept - when 30-40 cards all went to one address.

However, there were a few I question are the ones where 1 or 2 cards were swept but went to a different address and not an address any other cards went to - those I feel might be people who swept their own cards and are trying to get double paid.

No, I would not say that it's up to smoothie to decide how funds are distributed at this point.  If it was I imagine he'd have already made that decision.  It's up to the community and clearly the community can't come to an agreement on how the funds should be distributed.  IMO the only thing that should be done at this point is every donator should be refunded.  I wouldn't even leave an option for saying just keep it and donate when things get decided, they should get funds back and if they decide to re-donate funds once there is a clear and precise decision of action, then sure they can donate back.  This is my 2 and I think the majority at this point.  We all have our ideas on what should be distributed where and it was a great /generous idea, but it's a complete mess that's no where near coming to a decision where to place these funds.  Hence the only options being refunds for all sales as MinerJones has layed out above.

Fuck you Yogg.  What a mess you created (not to mention friendships destroyed)

[minerjones]

who needs to make a decision? Should this not be smoothie who decides?

as for someones loss being bigger than someone elses? that should not matter.

Set a guideline - pay those who lost funds from being swept. (and pay cygan for those he reimbursed)

if there are any funds after paying those - pay for undelivered orders and unfunded cards.

if anything after that (probably wont be) then look at paying those who loaned funds maybe.


The only issue I see is that with some of the "swept" ones. Many are very clearly swept - when 30-40 cards all went to one address.

However, there were a few I question are the ones where 1 or 2 cards were swept but went to a different address and not an address any other cards went to - those I feel might be people who swept their own cards and are trying to get double paid.

No, I would not say that it's up to smoothie to decide how funds are distributed at this point.  If it was I imagine he'd have already made that decision.  It's up to the community and clearly the community can't come to an agreement on how the funds should be distributed.  IMO the only thing that should be done at this point is every donator should be refunded.  I wouldn't even leave an option for saying just keep it and donate when thing get decided, they should get funds back and if they decide to re-donate funds once there is a clear and precise decision of action, then sure they can donate back.  This is my 2 and I think the majority at this point.  We all have our ideas on what should be distributed where and it was a great /generous idea, but it's a complete mess that's no where near coming to a decision where to place these funds.  Hence the only options being refunds for all sales as MinerJones as layed out above.

Fuck you Yogg.  What a mess you created (not to mention friendships destroyed)

Any idea how to handle a donator that does not want the funds back and does not give an address?

[ChiBitCTy]

who needs to make a decision? Should this not be smoothie who decides?

as for someones loss being bigger than someone elses? that should not matter.

Set a guideline - pay those who lost funds from being swept. (and pay cygan for those he reimbursed)

if there are any funds after paying those - pay for undelivered orders and unfunded cards.

if anything after that (probably wont be) then look at paying those who loaned funds maybe.


The only issue I see is that with some of the "swept" ones. Many are very clearly swept - when 30-40 cards all went to one address.

However, there were a few I question are the ones where 1 or 2 cards were swept but went to a different address and not an address any other cards went to - those I feel might be people who swept their own cards and are trying to get double paid.

No, I would not say that it's up to smoothie to decide how funds are distributed at this point.  If it was I imagine he'd have already made that decision.  It's up to the community and clearly the community can't come to an agreement on how the funds should be distributed.  IMO the only thing that should be done at this point is every donator should be refunded.  I wouldn't even leave an option for saying just keep it and donate when thing get decided, they should get funds back and if they decide to re-donate funds once there is a clear and precise decision of action, then sure they can donate back.  This is my 2 and I think the majority at this point.  We all have our ideas on what should be distributed where and it was a great /generous idea, but it's a complete mess that's no where near coming to a decision where to place these funds.  Hence the only options being refunds for all sales as MinerJones as layed out above.

Fuck you Yogg.  What a mess you created (not to mention friendships destroyed)

Any idea how to handle a donator that does not want the funds back and does not give an address?

I was thinking about that.  I would say at some point if they don't respond then it could be left to when a decision is finally (if ever) made.  Let's say that never happens or you set a date and a decision is not decided by that date, then the money goes towards a real world charity such as WWF ( World Wild Life fund, not the wrestlers   ) or something of this nature.

[YodasRedRocket]

Please do this first before doing anything else 👇🏼

1. Refund the 2 members who were rugged & refused Cygan’s offer like right now…
chronicsky - 0.055BTC
Mitchell - 0.0125BTC

[polymerbit]

Please do this first before doing anything else 👇🏼

1. Refund the 2 members who were rugged & refused Cygan’s offer like right now…
chronicsky - 0.055BTC
Mitchell - 0.0125BTC

I agree this is a valid option.

[MoparMiningLLC]

Please do this first before doing anything else 👇🏼

1. Refund the 2 members who were rugged & refused Cygan’s offer like right now…
chronicsky - 0.055BTC
Mitchell - 0.0125BTC

what about those who were rugged, never refused cygans offer but were also never reimbursed?

[PreciousMetapsICT]

Please do this first before doing anything else 👇🏼

1. Refund the 2 members who were rugged & refused Cygan’s offer like right now…
chronicsky - 0.055BTC
Mitchell - 0.0125BTC

what about those who were rugged, never refused cygans offer but were also never reimbursed?

That seems like a very much needed clear cut reimbursement as well

imagine how hard this conversation will be when BTC hits 100k - lets do something folks

[YodasRedRocket]

Please do this first before doing anything else 👇🏼

1. Refund the 2 members who were rugged & refused Cygan’s offer like right now…
chronicsky - 0.055BTC
Mitchell - 0.0125BTC

what about those who were rugged, never refused cygans offer but were also never reimbursed?

If you had your keys swiped & didn’t get reimbursed, yes! Those are the 2 members Cygan said didn’t want his refund.  We not talking about unfulfilled orders or loans, swiped items that were in someone’s possession is what I’m talking about.

The other shit can’t agreed upon, so leave that to the contributors to the auctions.

[MoparMiningLLC]

Please do this first before doing anything else 👇🏼

1. Refund the 2 members who were rugged & refused Cygan’s offer like right now…
chronicsky - 0.055BTC
Mitchell - 0.0125BTC

what about those who were rugged, never refused cygans offer but were also never reimbursed?

If you had your keys swiped & didn’t get reimbursed, yes! Those are the 2 members Cygan said didn’t want his refund.  We not talking about unfulfilled orders or loans, swiped items that were in someone’s possession is what I’m talking about.

The other shit can’t agreed upon, so leave that to the contributors to the auctions.

there are more than 2 members who were rugged and did not get funds from cygan - those are just 2 of them. but if you refund anyone then the funds are unable to be returned the doners - right? as there will no be less funds.

I still say unfulfilled orders should be reimbursed - I dont see that any differently - almost worse as the person lost their funds and doesnt even at least have the wallets.

but if we are returning to the donors then no one else can be reimbursed as all funds have to be returned - or do you randomly select someone and dont refund to them?

or do you offer refunds and if there are those who say dont refund them - you then use those funds to reimburse?

no matter how you do it - there is no fair way to do any of it as there is not sufficient funds to do it.

for example my one card where I lost the funds is the coldbond that was not taken until much much later - it was during the bitcoin conference time frame when mine was taken and this was a card I could not simply cut and peel and sweep myself as it was locked until 2025 - yogg emptied the funding address so when the transaction can be broadcast the funds are already gone.

[2stout]

I say either we vote on some options and if not, we refund the donors.  Also, voting should be limited to those who donated items.

[YodasRedRocket]

I say either we vote on some options and if not, we refund the donors.  Also, voting should be limited to those who donated items.

Sure, let’s just get it done.

MJ, can you start a private group message with all donators so we can get this nightmare over with? 🙏