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[buwaytress]

Lovely update, Cro2. More or less in line with what I was expecting, the best news for me is the expansion (it means more players, which is always a good thing). The LMS addition is a close second, more jeopardy for everyone involved. I didn't do too badly with risk taking here, and I believe if NL won EURO, I would have been in the top spot. Good risk to take for me.

Curious to see how selling positions could look like. Never selling mine, but some clubs might wonder if they will relegate anyway and sell to start life anew. Div1 prizes are the biggest -- but if you win promotions your prizes are potentially a bit better than sitting in too-shit-to-win-but-not-shit-enough-to-drop positions.

[Rikafip]

Top 5 teams will be promoted directly from Division 2 to Division 1.
13th team from Division 1 will play a 1v1 decider against the 6th placed team from Division 2 for the spot in Division 1.

With the top 5 teams getting automatic promotion to Division 1, there's no excuse for me not to put in some real effort and go for back-to-back promotions. Can't wait for it to start!  

Regarding selling the spots, I really dislike the idea. I know it adds some complexity, but for some reason it just feels wrong. I hope more people share a similar opinion so it doesn't get introduced.

[Saint-loup]

The coming season and the one after are going to be very exciting, with newcomers, new rules and new divisions. But what about late/missing submission rules and penalties? They will remain the same as the ones of the 4th season, or we'll need to wait a bit more to discover the new ones?

[Renato297]

interesting top 5 promoted to division 1, I remember in the first season I started in div 3 and since it was top 4 direct promotion and I was lucky to finish 4th and I was promoted, I hope to finish in top 5 next season

[arallmuus]

All those that have 2 points per round or less will be eliminated, if everybody has 3 or more points, those with the next worst result will be eliminated (those with 3 points, or 4 if nobody has 3 etc).

This part is kinda confusing so basically if everybody has 3 points then the next round lowest gap to survive will be changed into 3 points instead of 2 points? Well its quite unlikely but I could totally smell tons of elimination each week. It would be pretty hard to survive all 15 rounds. We might even have less than 5 people sharing $500 free bets in the end

Love everything about season but still expecting jackpot bonus here 

The coming season and the one after are going to be very exciting, with newcomers, new rules and new divisions. But what about late/missing submission rules and penalties? They will remain the same as the ones of the 4th season, or we'll need to wait a bit more to discover the new ones?

I like the previous rule, its simple and quite punishing so sticking with that seems fair.

[cryptofrka]

Regarding selling the spots, I really dislike the idea. I know it adds some complexity, but for some reason it just feels wrong. I hope more people share a similar opinion so it doesn't get introduced.

Yeah, I know the feeling. We discussed it a lot, can see the good and the bad in both choices and that's why we will let the community decide. It can be better for the longevity of the competition and it will probably increase the banter even further - imagine you buy a Div1 club and get relegated.
It will be fun to track though, it is crypto after all so consider your club as your unique NFT - I'm curious to see how valuable people think these are. The downside might be that someone loses interest after selling the club, but then the person buying it has increased interest as well.

We'll choose whatever you guys decide to do, but remember that if we feel that the call we made is wrong for the competition we can always revoke it (with proper prior announcements of course).

The coming season and the one after are going to be very exciting, with newcomers, new rules and new divisions. But what about late/missing submission rules and penalties? They will remain the same as the ones of the 4th season, or we'll need to wait a bit more to discover the new ones?

They will be the same as this season - we will just make an added rule regarding the end of season freebet rewards - but it is a minor tweak.
With LMS running in parallel with BSFL, it makes it even more expensive to forget your submissions.

All those that have 2 points per round or less will be eliminated, if everybody has 3 or more points, those with the next worst result will be eliminated (those with 3 points, or 4 if nobody has 3 etc).

This part is kinda confusing so basically if everybody has 3 points then the next round lowest gap to survive will be changed into 3 points instead of 2 points?

Nope, in that round those with 3 will be eliminated and in the next round it goes back to 2 (or next lowest) again.

[ILuckyGuyI]

We are starting then, nicee!    I have really missed BSFL honestly. After especially being eliminated in Last Man Standing my focus was fully on the Formula 1 pool. But now the fun is going to double itself for me.

Now after the changes, I see the first 2 teams from Division 3A and 3B both are promoting directly. Even one of 3rd finishers has a chance for a direct promotion. This is great news for me. I hope to promote to Division 2 finally. 

Selling spots is another interesting new thing here. I think there would be many players who would like to use this into their advantage. But teams in higher divisions wouldn't be sold cheaply surely.

[LTU_btc]

That was quite a lot text to read for me on vacation mode, but I read it whole. Want to see a bit clarification about how exactly LMS will work. As I understand, there won't be separate set of questions each week, but ''freebet'' question will be used for, right?
Selling your spot in division, not really sure how much interest will be in this thing. I'm sure that there will be demand to buy 1st Division club, but don't know how many will want to sell it. Personally, I'm not considering to sell my club, it was not that easy to earn spot in Division 1

[arallmuus]

It will be fun to track though, it is crypto after all so consider your club as your unique NFT - I'm curious to see how valuable people think these are. The downside might be that someone loses interest after selling the club, but then the person buying it has increased interest as well.

This is actually a pretty cool concept. To be fair, a division 1 spot probably cost around 3-5mbtc given the previous prizepool. Even if the buyer sucks, placing a spot higher than the relegation spot is already good enough to get decent prizes in the current and next season.

Nope, in that round those with 3 will be eliminated and in the next round it goes back to 2 (or next lowest) again.

Now this make sense, its going to be rough !

That was quite a lot text to read for me on vacation mode, but I read it whole. Want to see a bit clarification about how exactly LMS will work. As I understand, there won't be separate set of questions each week, but ''freebet'' question will be used for, right?

Its on the spreadsheet, the free bets point



So basically this will determine our points for the rounds

[notblox1]

I am happy to see new season is starting soon, but it is still holiday season guys  
I like the changes in BSFL and out growing numbers, always up like Bitcoin!

• SB really likes the logo additions. In agreement with notblox1, our official logo maker, top 3 teams from Division 1 and Division 2 that don’t already have logos will get them free of charge each following season until all clubs in top 2 Divisions have them.
• We will then probably continue doing the same for Division 3. There are no plans to have logos in Division 4 but you can make them individually.
• All clubs that receive logos will be required to make a short 'team summary' post - you can see how they look by clicking on any member's name that already has a logo in the league table.

Thank you Cro2 team and Sportsbet for showing support my work with logos, I am glad we can work together on this project.
I will do my best to make great logos for all winners, and my dream will come true for all teams to have page with logo and more information.

Selling your spots?

I really dig this idea, just dont let mafia take all your money for protection fees

[CLS63]

It is nice to see quite many changes for the new season. I believe this can attract more people to join BSFL as well. When it comes to selling spots, I also think that people would be interested in Division 1 teams rather than others. In the end this is the easiest way to reach top. But I also don't feel like so many people would be eager to sell their spots. I think that only people with special occasions might think of using this new option.

[jayce]

Cant wait the Season 5 starts, thank you Cro2 team!

Here are my questions;

All those that have 2 points per round or less will be eliminated, if everybody has 3 or more points, those with the next worst result will be eliminated (those with 3 points, or 4 if nobody has 3 etc).

I know the possibility almost zero with this huge amount of participants, but what if everybody has 2 points or less in a round? Do all of us get eliminated?

That would mean that we would be going the Superleague way in BSFL and from Season 6 onwards it would be possible to sell your spots in the leagues.
Example – if casperBGD wants out, he can sell his spot to the highest bidder. There would be a public auction for the spot and the highest bidder would claim that spot. Also, a player could say he’s willing to buy a Div1 club for x mBTC, and wait for offers.

This is the most interesting feature! My question is, after we sell our position, let's say in Div 1, are we allowed to buy position in Div 2 at the same time, so we don't need to restart the season from the lowest division?

[cryptofrka]

That was quite a lot text to read for me on vacation mode, but I read it whole. Want to see a bit clarification about how exactly LMS will work. As I understand, there won't be separate set of questions each week, but ''freebet'' question will be used for, right?

Yep, but slightly modified. Example - if the top score in Div1 for a H2H question is 4 points, you will get that point for the freebet calculation if you have 4 points.
For LMS, if the top result in Division 2 is 5 points, you will not get that point but only the person with the highest result across all leagues will.

This is the most interesting feature! My question is, after we sell our position, let's say in Div 1, are we allowed to buy position in Div 2 at the same time, so we don't need to restart the season from the lowest division?

We have to cover all the angles here and evaluate how it would affect the leagues but sure - theoretically it should be possible. Then you drop 1 Division instead of 3.
Let's first see how the people will vote and if it's a yes, that gives us the whole Season 5 to figure out the way to make it work perfectly

This is actually a pretty cool concept. To be fair, a division 1 spot probably cost around 3-5mbtc given the previous prizepool. Even if the buyer sucks, placing a spot higher than the relegation spot is already good enough to get decent prizes in the current and next season.

We're thinking higher than that for sure - but would really be curious to see what would people think it's worth.

[Trofo]

First of all I am very interested to see how many of you will vote yes for club selling. It could be an interesting feature but it is also quite risky to implement.

Opens up some nice oportunities. We did not cover everything in rules so far but I am thinking position trading should also be possible. For instance cryptofrka pays me 50 mBTC so that we switch places in Divisions. The example we showed so far was a basic one where new player buys a club.

[ralle14]

From 3/4 spots relegated or promoted and upping it to 5 is great, Division 2 will get more competitive than ever. I enjoyed going back and forth through the announcement treating it like a patch note from a game.

Also, welcome to the newcomers who made it in Division 3 and russeras who'll be on evaluation.

The buying and selling of club spots is a nice addition. The permanent fee sounds discouraging, but it shouldn't be a problem if you can always finish at the top of your Division.

[russeras]

The time has come to divide players into their respective leagues. Divisions 1 & 2 are set in stone while Division 3 can still have some new additions. Division 3 will again be split in A & B subdivisions on Sunday when we have a final number of participants. Give it a look in case I screwed something up since I am still working on my super small laptop screen while on holiday.

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We go live this Sunday, so rest is over. Time for some training and friendly matches to hit the ground running.

Happy to see this, hope I get a chance, thanks.

[execijutiere]

I don't understand the buy-in. Will players from each division be selected and paid accordingly?
Or will it be determined by lottery?
And is it compulsory to participate?

[slaman29]

Wow big changes! I love them!! Hmm it seems I need to look for alternative to get my team motivated. Punishment severity didn't work, being too nice didn't work.

Maybe the Europe thing with a lot of beer will work, too bad it's so expensive in hot countries.

@Slissy and @Trofo sidebetting, who wants 0.5 mbtc similar to that? Above me win, below me lose.

Haha. As much as it would contribute to his mafia image that he has in this thread, Trofo said that he owns a small summer house on an island. I don't know about the rest of the world, but it's not uncommon in Croatia to have a small summer house by the sea where you can go on a vacation.

Oh I misread it lol I saw private island and immediately I thought of rich bastards like Elon and Epst***

In my country, it's becoming more and more common people don't have their own house, but share the family house back back back home, with 30 people lol. If you have one house, you are the big man in your place. If you have a SECOND house, you are a big politician, big military guy, or big mafia.

[cryptofrka]

I don't understand the buy-in. Will players from each division be selected and paid accordingly?
Or will it be determined by lottery?
And is it compulsory to participate?

It's like now - Divisions 1 and 2 have entry fee at the beginning of the season.
From next year, Division 3 will have it as well, but it will be 20-25$ - so really cheap.

It will be determined by this season's position. It won't be mandatory, but if you don't pay you get relegated to 4th Division that basically won't have any rewards.

Buy-in in 3rd Division will lead to some extra rewards for that Division - so you will probably get your money back at the end of the season.

[Trofo]

Wow big changes! I love them!! Hmm it seems I need to look for alternative to get my team motivated. Punishment severity didn't work, being too nice didn't work.

Maybe the Europe thing with a lot of beer will work, too bad it's so expensive in hot countries.

@Slissy and @Trofo sidebetting, who wants 0.5 mbtc similar to that? Above me win, below me lose.

Ok, you are on. Can I count on reminding me we have this bet if I forget it? I know I will remember Slissy one since he is constantly rubbing my nose in it in BSFL chat. And I know I will return the favor this season if I am able to.