[Boxing] Canelo Alvarez vs John Ryder - May 6th in Mexico

[Silberman]

I guess we can say that Oscar Dela Hoya did really pitted the young Canelo who was still 23 years old at that time against the prime Floyd Mayweather Jr. just because Oscar believed that his cashcow will be the one who will stain Floyd's record. But that certain defeat indeed molded Canelo to be much a clever boxer inside the ring and did took the Philly Shell personally as he invented an intelligent way how to counter it afterwards because that was the reason why he lost most of the rounds.

I also believe that it was the only time that Canelo had his chance to fight Mayweather because if Canelo was already a heavy name at that time, the latter might've ducked him and we cannot witness that certain fight.

We know that Floyd cared a lot about his undefeated record so he would never get into the ring and fight unless he was completely sure he could get the win, I am sure that when Canelo was presented with the possibility of fighting Floyd he knew this as well, so if he decided to wait and develop, by the time he was ready he knew Floyd will duck him, so he took his chances, he lost but we can tell that he learned a lot from the fight and eventually this allowed him to dominate his division.

[MiliMil]

We know that Floyd cared a lot about his undefeated record so he would never get into the ring and fight unless he was completely sure he could get the win, I am sure that when Canelo was presented with the possibility of fighting Floyd he knew this as well, so if he decided to wait and develop, by the time he was ready he knew Floyd will duck him, so he took his chances, he lost but we can tell that he learned a lot from the fight and eventually this allowed him to dominate his division.
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Floyd was one of the best I've ever seen but he ducked a lot of fighters. I remember he ducked Margarito like the plague and admitted it.

[serjent05]

We know that Floyd cared a lot about his undefeated record so he would never get into the ring and fight unless he was completely sure he could get the win, I am sure that when Canelo was presented with the possibility of fighting Floyd he knew this as well, so if he decided to wait and develop, by the time he was ready he knew Floyd will duck him, so he took his chances, he lost but we can tell that he learned a lot from the fight and eventually this allowed him to dominate his division.

Floyd was one of the best I've ever seen but he ducked a lot of fighters. I remember he ducked Margarito like the plague and admitted it.
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Well. that is the strategy to preserve his career and make his worth in boxing industry higher than lots of legendary fighters out there.  I think Mayweather had foreseen that having unblemished records will rake him lots of money in the future.  Sadly when he fought Canelo, Canelo isn't ready to take him.  I also agree that if ever Canelo didn't take the fight and wait for 5 years to be on his prime, Mayweather would have done everything he can to duck the fight.

[FinneysTrueVision]

@mirakal - yes we can look it that way, but maybe it's the fault of the governing body that they have a interim champion that we didn't know and probably it's because Canelo is the cash cow and wanted more name fighters and thinks that Ryder doesn't deserved it. But Canelo doesn't have a choice now, he is coming from an injury and this is the right time to give Ryder his chance, beat him and remove that interim title for him.

More often than not it seems like the sanctioning bodies will mandate whichever fighter is handpicked by the champion's promoter. We saw this with Keith Thurman being named Errol Spence's mandatory even though he wasn't the most deserving fighter. Ryder doesn't deserve to fight for the undisputed title but he is with Matchroom, who is Canelo's preferred promoter, so the WBC will just go along with whatever is most beneficial for Eddie Hearn.

[Baofeng]

@mirakal - yes we can look it that way, but maybe it's the fault of the governing body that they have a interim champion that we didn't know and probably it's because Canelo is the cash cow and wanted more name fighters and thinks that Ryder doesn't deserved it. But Canelo doesn't have a choice now, he is coming from an injury and this is the right time to give Ryder his chance, beat him and remove that interim title for him.

More often than not it seems like the sanctioning bodies will mandate whichever fighter is handpicked by the champion's promoter. We saw this with Keith Thurman being named Errol Spence's mandatory even though he wasn't the most deserving fighter. Ryder doesn't deserve to fight for the undisputed title but he is with Matchroom, who is Canelo's preferred promoter, so the WBC will just go along with whatever is most beneficial for Eddie Hearn.

Hey, haven't seen you in a while mate, welcome back!!

Yeah, I will agree with your observation, it's now that this boxing promotion is under the promotions and network affiliations. Initially you will think that they have the control, mandating all this fight and what not. But if you look at it, like in this case, Ryder was hand pick because it's going to be an easy fight for Canelo. Matchroom and Hearn are looking for a boxer that will not be a threat to Canelo as he is coming back from his injuries and Ryder is a perfect fit for that. And the organization can justify that he is their number 1 seeding or whatever, or he is on a 4 fight winning streak. But we all know that Canelo can choice any fighter that he wants. And again, to put some reasons behind, Canelo said that he is not after the money, but wanted to fight in his native country, Mexico. So in any case, all in house money for Eddie Hearn and Canelo proving himself as cash cow if he can sell out one of the biggest venue in Mexico. You can't ask for a better set up that than. 

[Viscore]

Not that surprising because we have already heard this man's name even before Canelo Alvarez underwent to a much needed surgery because his wrist has been in pain since the Canelo-GGG III fight. I'm just glad that this fight is now a done deal because people are waiting for Canelo's return as he have a lot of boxer now queued to fight him afterwards, Canelo may put his belt on the line on this one but let's not forget that this is just a tune-up fight.

Yes, just a tune-up fight but I am still expecting to see a good fight here and would not be surprise if Canelo will definite give his opponent another crucial fight as seen with his devastating body punching. It’s certain that most people will root for Canelo to be the favorite here, but I just hope that John Ryder will also give justice to the fight as he is never an ordinary boxer too seeing his quite impressive boxing record.

[Distinctin]

Well. that is the strategy to preserve his career and make his worth in boxing industry higher than lots of legendary fighters out there.  I think Mayweather had foreseen that having unblemished records will rake him lots of money in the future.  Sadly when he fought Canelo, Canelo isn't ready to take him.  I also agree that if ever Canelo didn't take the fight and wait for 5 years to be on his prime, Mayweather would have done everything he can to duck the fight.

In the long run, Floyd Mayweather Jr. is indeed right in his vision because up until now even if he's already retired in pro-scene, he's still making and racking a huge amount of money with a guaranteed 7 to 8 figures per fight because he's still hot in the exhibition scene right now. It may not attract a lot of audience it terms of worldwide market but the fact is still the same, he's been always the Money Mayweather.

Anyway, back to the fight, is the odds available already? I'm thinking that this John Ryder will be 5:1 heavy underdog.

[Baofeng]

This should be a really good fight, I am expecting Canelo to win this though.

Has anybody seen any early fight odds, please post any crypto bookie odds here if and when you see them.

And here are the odds now, as per Stake:



As we all expected, Ryder is 8:1 underdog, and even David Benavidez says that this is just a tune up for Canelo. And with that, no value in betting for ML here on Canelo, but if you love the underdog Ryder, then it's already a very mouth watering odds, hehehe, but the risk is very high. This is Canelo's best weight, and will be fighting in what could be the biggest live audience in the last 5-10 years because it's going to be held in Mexico. So just imagine the magnitude if he is going to lose this fight. So he will do his best to maybe end this fight quickly. I reckon the line for the Over and Under will be 7.5 rounds, let's see how bookies are going to list it.

[goinmerry]

This is Canelo's best weight, and will be fighting in what could be the biggest live audience in the last 5-10 years because it's going to be held in Mexico. So just imagine the magnitude if he is going to lose this fight.

Not even thinking that the fight will end up in a big upset the same as what Bivol did during Canelo's peak. John Ryder isn't even close to the possibility of doing that. Although Ryder is currently in the top rankings and is eligible to be a contender, others viewed him as not capable and credible to be Canelo's opponent.

We should be supposed to see instead, Benavidez or Bivol facing Canelo but I think politics again ruined the deal.

Although, at some point in the future, we will surely expect to see these anticipated fights being materialized.

[GigaBit]

This should be a really good fight, I am expecting Canelo to win this though.

Has anybody seen any early fight odds, please post any crypto bookie odds here if and when you see them.

And here are the odds now, as per Stake:

Canelo Alvarez
Different sites offer different odds some one provide 1.10 some one 1.7 and on Sportsbet.io 1.06

[TopTort777]

Why bookies think that John Ryder is such an underdog and give so low odds? Because of Canelos fame and record and Ryders unconvincing victories in last fights ? Or because middleweight division was already cleared by Canelo and there are no more fighters left, so he makes this cherry pick fight, specially to perform in his homeland?

I find it really hard to comment on Canelos fights. He has became boring for me. His fights have predictable outcomes (when he fights in his weight division). It is boring to watch his performance in middleweight; hard to follow his career when he does not aim to move to other divisions.

[Jawhead999]

Why bookies think that John Ryder is such an underdog and give so low odds? Because of Canelos fame and record and Ryders unconvincing victories in last fights ? Or because middleweight division was already cleared by Canelo and there are no more fighters left, so he makes this cherry pick fight, specially to perform in his homeland?

I find it really hard to comment on Canelos fights. He has became boring for me. His fights have predictable outcomes (when he fights in his weight division). It is boring to watch his performance in middleweight; hard to follow his career when he does not aim to move to other divisions.

You're already answered your own questions

Since you've think the outcome is already predictable, that's why John Ryder odds is really so low. Canelo was previously move to light heavyweight and fight with Bivol, but the result isn't expected by him since he was lose on that's fight.

It seems he's fear to rematch with Bivol, so he's either waiting someone beat Bivol or he want to warm up first.

[TopTort777]

Why bookies think that John Ryder is such an underdog and give so low odds? Because of Canelos fame and record and Ryders unconvincing victories in last fights ? Or because middleweight division was already cleared by Canelo and there are no more fighters left, so he makes this cherry pick fight, specially to perform in his homeland?

I find it really hard to comment on Canelos fights. He has became boring for me. His fights have predictable outcomes (when he fights in his weight division). It is boring to watch his performance in middleweight; hard to follow his career when he does not aim to move to other divisions.

You're already answered your own questions

Since you've think the outcome is already predictable, that's why John Ryder odds is really so low. Canelo was previously move to light heavyweight and fight with Bivol, but the result isn't expected by him since he was lose on that's fight.

It seems he's fear to rematch with Bivol, so he's either waiting someone beat Bivol or he want to warm up first.

I just understand why people would watch it, buy tickets or PPV, when it is clear that 99.99% Canelo would win that fight. Neither it is possible to earn here for gamblers. 1.06-1.10 odds is like nothing. I mean you bet 100 bucks and win a beer... Who would sigh for that

As to Bivol, I cant say that Canelo is afraid. I would say that both Bivol and Canelo are not interested in that fight. Canelo has tested himself in lightheavyweight. Bivol earned money. Everyone got what they wanted. Also, I doubt that Bivol would accept that fight. I think he is about to meet Beterbiev, and Canelo has nothing new to show as a lightheavyweight.

[usekevin]

Not even thinking that the fight will end up in a big upset the same as what Bivol did during Canelo's peak. John Ryder isn't even close to the possibility of doing that. Although Ryder is currently in the top rankings and is eligible to be a contender, others viewed him as not capable and credible to be Canelo's opponent.

We should be supposed to see instead, Benavidez or Bivol facing Canelo but I think politics again ruined the deal.

Although, at some point in the future, we will surely expect to see these anticipated fights being materialized.

It’s upset for certain people and not welcome one for some people.John Ryder game was good player,Ryder was in the top ranking of the game.Canelo game was good for now,if he fight with the Ryder.This will be the thought fight for sure.Benavidez game was definitely different one,as compared to current situation.It was predicted one Benavidez will face the Canelo in the upcoming matches.If the Canelo had the chances to face the Bivol in the game,he will prove his full stuff in the game.So Canelo will lead the match to next level of competition.

Why bookies think that John Ryder is such an underdog and give so low odds? Because of Canelos fame and record and Ryders unconvincing victories in last fights ? Or because middleweight division was already cleared by Canelo and there are no more fighters left, so he makes this cherry pick fight, specially to perform in his homeland?

I find it really hard to comment on Canelos fights. He has became boring for me. His fights have predictable outcomes (when he fights in his weight division). It is boring to watch his performance in middleweight; hard to follow his career when he does not aim to move to other divisions.

Canelos game was accepted one from all age groups of people.He had all age group as a fan,So most of the people will have the positive comments towards the Canelos as compared to the Ryder or Benavidez and Bivol,even the Bivol game was most impressive in the league.Most of the people forget about the legend Bivol in the previous matches and his knockout games in the past years.The past matches should be considered for the new matches decision.

[btc_angela]

Why bookies think that John Ryder is such an underdog and give so low odds? Because of Canelos fame and record and Ryders unconvincing victories in last fights ? Or because middleweight division was already cleared by Canelo and there are no more fighters left, so he makes this cherry pick fight, specially to perform in his homeland?

I find it really hard to comment on Canelos fights. He has became boring for me. His fights have predictable outcomes (when he fights in his weight division). It is boring to watch his performance in middleweight; hard to follow his career when he does not aim to move to other divisions.

This is just a tune up fight for Canelo, so they have to get someone who at least good in paper like Ryder. Canelo is so good in this division that he is the king of MW for many years now, and Ryder might be another British boxer that he is going to defeat.

He did aim though to move to other divisions right? During the WBC convention like a couple of years ago, he said that he will be fighting the champion in CW in Makabu and the WBC approved it. But that fight didn't push through and instead target the light heavyweight, Bivol. Surprisingly, it was a upset win by Bivol as Canelo might have bite off more than he can chew. Now he goes back to his comfort zone in Middleweight and fight Ryder in his own backyard.

[TopTort777]

Long story short - this is going to be a useless fight for Canelo, that only his fans would watch. Real boxing fans are not much interested in this fight, as they expect nothing outstanding from it. Expect pressure from Canelo and a TKO in round 4-6. That is it.

Canelo has put himself into a trap, that he is so good, and others are so bad that he must move to other division to attract people to his fight so that he could earn. That is really bad, because ticket and PPV sales would decrease, but Canelo would expect same or even bigger cheques.

[TravelMug]

Long story short - this is going to be a useless fight for Canelo, that only his fans would watch. Real boxing fans are not much interested in this fight, as they expect nothing outstanding from it. Expect pressure from Canelo and a TKO in round 4-6. That is it.

Canelo wanted to see how big his fight will be in Mexico, and a win win for him for sure as it will solidify his status and maybe now there is a debate for him as the greatest Mexican fighter if he can fill up that stadium.

Canelo has put himself into a trap, that he is so good, and others are so bad that he must move to other division to attract people to his fight so that he could earn. That is really bad, because ticket and PPV sales would decrease, but Canelo would expect same or even bigger cheques.

He has been the cash cow already though, so money will be in the table for him.

I think in this fight, it will be a huge sell for fans.

[coin-investor]

Long story short - this is going to be a useless fight for Canelo, that only his fans would watch. Real boxing fans are not much interested in this fight, as they expect nothing outstanding from it. Expect pressure from Canelo and a TKO in round 4-6. That is it.

I don't think it will be a useless fight, yes it's a cherry-picked fight but the boxing community will still be interested but not to the point, of buying high prices for ringside or PPV, the media will watch and follow the development, and the actual fight if you're an undisputed champion and on a ring magazine people will still be interested to follow your career.
Who knows Ryder can offer something and give Canelo a tough fight, boxing fans want action regardless of who's fighting. and boxing fans will watch boxing as long as it's popular boxers regardless of who they are fighting.

[TopTort777]

Long story short - this is going to be a useless fight for Canelo, that only his fans would watch. Real boxing fans are not much interested in this fight, as they expect nothing outstanding from it. Expect pressure from Canelo and a TKO in round 4-6. That is it.

I don't think it will be a useless fight, yes it's a cherry-picked fight but the boxing community will still be interested but not to the point, of buying high prices for ringside or PPV, the media will watch and follow the development, and the actual fight if you're an undisputed champion and on a ring magazine people will still be interested to follow your career.
Who knows Ryder can offer something and give Canelo a tough fight, boxing fans want action regardless of who's fighting. and boxing fans will watch boxing as long as it's popular boxers regardless of who they are fighting.

Then I will ask a bit differently, if there will be two huge boxing fights running simultaneously or Canelo vs Ryder fight will be running parallel the sports/team you are fan of, will you rather watch Canelo vs Ryder fight or other sports event? Personally, I would watch something other, and next day morning just google for result.

Or lets discuss what this fight will give Canelo despite even more money? He wont be getting any new belt, he wont advance in the rating, a victory over Ryder wont open a gate for a new opponent. Imho this fight is only needed for him to perform in Mexico and be 1000% sure to win. That is it. Easy and useless fight.

[coin-investor]

Long story short - this is going to be a useless fight for Canelo, that only his fans would watch. Real boxing fans are not much interested in this fight, as they expect nothing outstanding from it. Expect pressure from Canelo and a TKO in round 4-6. That is it.

I don't think it will be a useless fight, yes it's a cherry-picked fight but the boxing community will still be interested but not to the point, of buying high prices for ringside or PPV, the media will watch and follow the development, and the actual fight if you're an undisputed champion and on a ring magazine people will still be interested to follow your career.
Who knows Ryder can offer something and give Canelo a tough fight, boxing fans want action regardless of who's fighting. and boxing fans will watch boxing as long as it's popular boxers regardless of who they are fighting.

Then I will ask a bit differently, if there will be two huge boxing fights running simultaneously or Canelo vs Ryder fight will be running parallel the sports/team you are fan of, will you rather watch Canelo vs Ryder fight or other sports event? Personally, I would watch something other, and next day morning just google for result.

Or lets discuss what this fight will give Canelo despite even more money? He wont be getting any new belt, he wont advance in the rating, a victory over Ryder wont open a gate for a new opponent. Imho this fight is only needed for him to perform in Mexico and be 1000% sure to win. That is it. Easy and useless fight.

I'm both a Canerlo and a boxing fan I want to see good boxing, remember the Ruiz - Joshua fight, it looks like a cherry-picked fight but it turn out not to be and turn out to be a great boxing match if boxing fans just shrug off this fight and call it another guaranteed win for Joshua then they've just missed a very good fight, how about the Tyson - Douglas fight it looks like a walk in a park but boxing fans still watch it so they are treated for the biggest upset, we boxing fans loves good boxing so boxing fans will watch it because they love good and high-level
boxing, this could be a walk in the park for Canelo but we will still see good boxing and that's a good reason to watch it.