How much return are we expecting next bull run?

[OgNasty]

I’m a believer that Bitcoin’s price is a 4-year fractal pattern. With this thinking I had expected a peak of $200K in December of 2021. However, FTX apparently was taking people’s money for BTC and spending it on shitcoins, thus manipulating the price downward. This is what I believe kept the last peak from happening. If you believe that as well, then you could make the case for a $800K BTC by the end of 2025. That is if no shenanigans happen again this time.

[Pterosaur]

My portfolio will consists of 50% Bitcoin, I believe that Bitcoin has proven itself again with the banks collapsing here and there, they are making Bitcoin to be more noticeable throughout the world, my price prediction for Bitcoin in 2025 is 150k, still I won't entirely sleep on this because the chart is what I follow, whatever the chart says will determine my hold and selling.

[thecodebear]

Bitcoin takes up 30% of my portfolio with the rest in altcoins.

What is everyone expecting in 2024/25 bull run? Is a 10x a good return or should we be hoping for more?

First off, Bitcoin should be wayyyy more than 30% of your portfolio. 70% altcoins is crazy risky. That sort of portfolio relies on being lucky, which is never a good investment strategy. You never know what altcoins will blow up in the upcoming market cycle and which ones will fade or just go sideways. While the one guaranteed thing is Bitcoin will go up a ton.



Anyway, personally I'm expecting to see $150k-$200k peak in 2025. It could be a bit higher, may see <$250k. I doubt it would be lower than $150k unless some major thing disrupts the bull run. Granted, there was a major disruption in the bull run in 2021 so it is possible, just hopefully it won't happen two cycles in a row.

[Ultegra134]

Bitcoin takes up 30% of my portfolio with the rest in altcoins.

What is everyone expecting in 2024/25 bull run? Is a 10x a good return or should we be hoping for more?

First off, Bitcoin should be wayyyy more than 30% of your portfolio. 70% altcoins is crazy risky. That sort of portfolio relies on being lucky, which is never a good investment strategy. You never know what altcoins will blow up in the upcoming market cycle and which ones will fade or just go sideways. While the one guaranteed thing is Bitcoin will go up a ton.



Anyway, personally I'm expecting to see $150k-$200k peak in 2025. It could be a bit higher, may see <$250k. I doubt it would be lower than $150k unless some major thing disrupts the bull run. Granted, there was a major disruption in the bull run in 2021 so it is possible, just hopefully it won't happen two cycles in a row.

As Lucius already mentioned a few days ago, a large amount of altcoins are meaningless and may be subject to a crash even if the market is trending upwards. Thus, I find your portfolio quite risky, and even though I don't know what altcoins you're holding, if I were you, I'd invest a greater percentage in Bitcoin. Moreover, the return the OP is expecting sounds quite extravagant. Personally, I mostly hold Bitcoin, and during this current bull-run, I managed to break even and surpass my DCA. I'd be happy if Bitcoin were to double in value within 2024.

[Fatunad]

My portfolio will consists of 50% Bitcoin, I believe that Bitcoin has proven itself again with the banks collapsing here and there, they are making Bitcoin to be more noticeable throughout the world, my price prediction for Bitcoin in 2025 is 150k, still I won't entirely sleep on this because the chart is what I follow, whatever the chart says will determine my hold and selling.

We are all speculators here on the market on which there's no exact price and everyone could really call on their own which they do seem the price would really be ending up.The common thing on here is that we do really expect and anticipate something positive on this upcoming bull run.Some people do even believe that it is really starting now but observing out on whats happening in the market then its really that contrary.
Seeing these green candles or pumps then it is really just that ordinary day we've do always seen. For expectation then it would really be that on positive which it would
really be just that normal.

[JamesDaniel90]

Hello all,

I will listen to the advice here and convert some of my altcoins into Bitcoin - will try and get the percentage of my portfolio in Bitcoin up to 60% which will leave 40% for altcoins.

When I first started investing in crypto Bitcoin was at £44,000 so pretty much the top and I felt as a newbie it was just too expensive so I went for altcoins.

I first started investing in Bitcoin in the June crash last year which is why I have a pretty good average price but should have focused more on it as I continued to by altcoins throughout the rest of 2022 also.

[_BlackStar]

I will listen to the advice here and convert some of my altcoins into Bitcoin - will try and get the percentage of my portfolio in Bitcoin up to 60% which will leave 40% for altcoins.

While diversification is great for minimizing the risk of volatility in your investment returns, if I were you I'd only get 10% of the altcoin in my portfolio instead of 40%.
I tend to believe in bitcoin in the long term rather than altcoin. I honestly don't mean to ignored the potential of some altcoin in the long term, but for something safe in the long term then bitcoin is the best choice to dominate large part of my portfolio.

For you, some of the top altcoin in the top 10 market caps can be considered. But don't get too greedy because usually it won't last long and will be replaced by other altcoin. Take your profit when your target is reached, it is more recommended instead of long term hold especially on altcoin.

[JimboToronto]

It's still not too late to take your profits in Bitcoin to hold.

After the halving the price of fiat currencies will plummet so you can reinvest in dollars, euros, land, or whatever.

Sell all the shitcoins ASAP for more Bitcoin to hold. Shitcoins are a scam.

[siniminomorocomunisakito]

Have been in crypto just over a year now so have yet to experience a bull market and up till now I have just bought and held.

Currently my portfolio is 10% down and am not planning on selling any until I 2x at least.

Bitcoin takes up 30% of my portfolio with the rest in altcoins.

What is everyone expecting in 2024/25 bull run? Is a 10x a good return or should we be hoping for more?

If I look at the 10x return on investment pattern, it can be considered a good return in the money market world, regardless of the type of Bitcoin and altcoins, they are very volatile and subject to market fluctuations. it's a good idea to be up to date with the latest developments in the industry, including regulatory changes, technological advances, and market trends. it may be better for maximizing your investment portfolio.

[royalfestus]

Have been in crypto just over a year now so have yet to experience a bull market and up till now I have just bought and held.

Currently my portfolio is 10% down and am not planning on selling any until I 2x at least.

Bitcoin takes up 30% of my portfolio with the rest in altcoins.

What is everyone expecting in 2024/25 bull run? Is a 10x a good return or should we be hoping for more?

Similar to stocks, cryptocurrency has a bull and bear market cycle over four years. Nobody can predict how big the market will be in the bull and many predictions failed last time around. Additionally, I believe the bigger the price, the smaller the price multiplication, so manage your expectations carefully and have an early exit price in mind. Anything above 100k is good for bitcoin and above 30k is good for Ethereum

[el kaka22]

Depends on where you take it from, because I have seen it vary a lot. Like for example just the 2021 bull run could be considered a big example for this, I have seen it take it at 4k because in 2020 the lowest was 4k, then there are ones who took it at 10k because it was 10k after the halving and they were talking about how much it increased after the halving, and there were ones who took it at 20k-30k range because that is where it was when 2020 was ending, so 2021 should be considered where 2020 ended.

See, you can see 3 different places and 3 different calculations. Considering it was 68k, then you could say it increased 17x, or 7x or 2.5x, see the difference? They are huge.

[JoyMarsha]

What is everyone expecting in 2024/25 bull run? Is a 10x a good return or should we be hoping for more?

I assume you have a plan for holding your bitcoin for a long time. You can make more than 2x of your initial investment if you have the patience of holding your assets, but also
this is not guaranteed.

You can probably taste the bull run in 2024, after bitcoin halving.

I am not selling my Bitcoin I will hold that till 2028 bull run at least when it is around $250,000.

That's truly a long year(2028) if I may say. Why don't you sell your bitcoin during the next year's bull and reinvest back when the bull run is over? Taking such a measure can bring you a whole lot of profits(sell in the bull run and reinvest in the bad season when the crypto market is down) than hodling down till 2028 when you don't know whether bitcoin will reach your dream price or not. This is just a suggestion. It's up to you to choose any way you want

[JamesDaniel90]

What is everyone expecting in 2024/25 bull run? Is a 10x a good return or should we be hoping for more?

I assume you have a plan for holding your bitcoin for a long time. You can make more than 2x of your initial investment if you have the patience of holding your assets, but also
this is not guaranteed.

You can probably taste the bull run in 2024, after bitcoin halving.

I am not selling my Bitcoin I will hold that till 2028 bull run at least when it is around $250,000.

That's truly a long year(2028) if I may say. Why don't you sell your bitcoin during the next year's bull and reinvest back when the bull run is over? Taking such a measure can bring you a whole lot of profits(sell in the bull run and reinvest in the bad season when the crypto market is down) than hodling down till 2028 when you don't know whether bitcoin will reach your dream price or not. This is just a suggestion. It's up to you to choose any way you want

Could do but then it will become pretty stessful trying to sell near the top then buying back in a year or so later near the bottom - I will think about it.

[erep]

That's truly a long year(2028) if I may say. Why don't you sell your bitcoin during the next year's bull and reinvest back when the bull run is over? Taking such a measure can bring you a whole lot of profits(sell in the bull run and reinvest in the bad season when the crypto market is down) than hodling down till 2028 when you don't know whether bitcoin will reach your dream price or not. This is just a suggestion. It's up to you to choose any way you want

I think they have reasons not to trade until the target price is reached, so they choose investments for long-term portfolios to achieve maximum profit, so if the market assets are exchanged then we lose focus for investing. However, the longest holders benefit the most compared to short-term traders, so don't hesitate to choose long-term crypto investments

[JamesDaniel90]

I will listen to the advice here and convert some of my altcoins into Bitcoin - will try and get the percentage of my portfolio in Bitcoin up to 60% which will leave 40% for altcoins.

While diversification is great for minimizing the risk of volatility in your investment returns, if I were you I'd only get 10% of the altcoin in my portfolio instead of 40%.
I tend to believe in bitcoin in the long term rather than altcoin. I honestly don't mean to ignored the potential of some altcoin in the long term, but for something safe in the long term then bitcoin is the best choice to dominate large part of my portfolio.

For you, some of the top altcoin in the top 10 market caps can be considered. But don't get too greedy because usually it won't last long and will be replaced by other altcoin. Take your profit when your target is reached, it is more recommended instead of long term hold especially on altcoin.

90% Bitcoin is a bit much , maybe once my altcoins have pumped and I can put profit into Bitcoin might I be able to get it to that amount of my portfolio but we need to take some risk aswell.

Some altcoins will go to zero but some will 25x or even 50x next bull run and I am hoping to have at least one of them in my portfolio.

[bitgolden]

We are all speculators here on the market on which there's no exact price and everyone could really call on their own which they do seem the price would really be ending up.The common thing on here is that we do really expect and anticipate something positive on this upcoming bull run.Some people do even believe that it is really starting now but observing out on whats happening in the market then its really that contrary.
Seeing these green candles or pumps then it is really just that ordinary day we've do always seen. For expectation then it would really be that on positive which it would
really be just that normal.

I would say the "start" is a different understanding. I think the bull starts now as in that we are no longer in the bear market and we are growing and maybe we won't go over the ATH price anytime soon but we are going to grow, that's the start of bull market for me.

Some people think that the bull market starts when the rally for going above ATH starts and I agree that it is not today, but we are nearly at 2x from the bottom so I think that it is doing very well at the moment and could be considered a bull market, when things go up this much in 3-4 months, you have to be happy about it. Otherwise we are going to be keep waiting for it go more and more.

[milewilda]

That's truly a long year(2028) if I may say. Why don't you sell your bitcoin during the next year's bull and reinvest back when the bull run is over? Taking such a measure can bring you a whole lot of profits(sell in the bull run and reinvest in the bad season when the crypto market is down) than hodling down till 2028 when you don't know whether bitcoin will reach your dream price or not. This is just a suggestion. It's up to you to choose any way you want

I think they have reasons not to trade until the target price is reached, so they choose investments for long-term portfolios to achieve maximum profit, so if the market assets are exchanged then we lose focus for investing. However, the longest holders benefit the most compared to short-term traders, so don't hesitate to choose long-term crypto investments

This is actually depending or basing up on someones interest because each one of us does have that own target or goals when it comes to our investment and if we do make out trades.What we do expect on next bull run? No one really knows on what would happen in the future and on what coins would really be having that bullish run or would increase into its price. This is why it is really depending on someones taking
on what are the decisions that they would be making in their current portfolio. This is why place up yourself when the market is still low because there's still soo much room for us to grow.
This is why its up according to your plans.

[Silberman]

We are all speculators here on the market on which there's no exact price and everyone could really call on their own which they do seem the price would really be ending up.The common thing on here is that we do really expect and anticipate something positive on this upcoming bull run.Some people do even believe that it is really starting now but observing out on whats happening in the market then its really that contrary.
Seeing these green candles or pumps then it is really just that ordinary day we've do always seen. For expectation then it would really be that on positive which it would
really be just that normal.

I would say the "start" is a different understanding. I think the bull starts now as in that we are no longer in the bear market and we are growing and maybe we won't go over the ATH price anytime soon but we are going to grow, that's the start of bull market for me.

Some people think that the bull market starts when the rally for going above ATH starts and I agree that it is not today, but we are nearly at 2x from the bottom so I think that it is doing very well at the moment and could be considered a bull market, when things go up this much in 3-4 months, you have to be happy about it. Otherwise we are going to be keep waiting for it go more and more.

What happens is that defining of a concept like a bull market is always difficult, a bull market is considered to be underway if there is a rise on the price of most assets of a market and this last for a considerable amount of time, but what is a considerable amount of time? For some a few weeks or months could be enough to classify an upwards movement as a bull market, while there are other markets that move way more slowly and investors will need for such movement to take place for a year before they think of that movement as a bull market.

[DanWalker]

Hello all,

I will listen to the advice here and convert some of my altcoins into Bitcoin - will try and get the percentage of my portfolio in Bitcoin up to 60% which will leave 40% for altcoins.

When I first started investing in crypto Bitcoin was at £44,000 so pretty much the top and I felt as a newbie it was just too expensive so I went for altcoins.

I first started investing in Bitcoin in the June crash last year which is why I have a pretty good average price but should have focused more on it as I continued to by altcoins throughout the rest of 2022 also.

I prefer this ratio, we should have more bitcoins than altcoins in our portfolio for safety and profit. I am not a bitcoin maximalist, I also prefer altcoins as they offer better returns despite greater risks. Can you share the altcoins you hold? If it's altcoins like ETH and BNB, then I think that's great for the next bull season. Personally, in addition to bitcoin, I also put a lot of faith in ETH because the bull season before ETH gave me better returns than BTC. I also like some new altcoins, but this is not the right time to invest in them yet.

[_BlackStar]

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90% Bitcoin is a bit much , maybe once my altcoins have pumped and I can put profit into Bitcoin might I be able to get it to that amount of my portfolio but we need to take some risk aswell.

Of course you can set a different percentage than I said. That's about me, so you shouldn't do it if you expect a higher percentage of altcoins for diversification purposes.

Most importantly you should not make wild advice as financial advice, but be wise in making decisions. Bitcoin returns tend to be expected, but you should be patient about longer time frames.

Some altcoins will go to zero but some will 25x or even 50x next bull run and I am hoping to have at least one of them in my portfolio.

Not many will get 25x and 50x in altcoin. I thought you were talking about meme coin that only went up because of the influencer hype. Ignore them, think of something makes sense.