Incorrect use of red feedback.

[airfinex]

I noticed one injustice and I think that Royce, as a member of DT, should be more responsible in approaching the feedback he leaves.

I believe in LoyceV religion, I believe that the Trust System should not be used as a weapon.

Marcel, Marie.

What he accuses the other user of is complete nonsense, since even if he warned someone about something, it was correct, but since Royce at some point had a lot of red marks. Any adequate project would refuse to cooperate with such a manager in order to maintain its reputation.



I also warned Sindban that Royce has quite a few red marks, and I think I'm not the only one.




Here's another good example. Royce is running a signature campaign that has an open allegation of fraud and a clear connection to the fraudulent 1xBIT casino.

[airfinex]

I'm outraged and looking forward to the next one.

1. Royce will change the feedback left to neutral.
2. Royce will intervene in the discussion related to coinplay and, if he does not receive any results from the casino, will immediately stop the subscription campaign.


Please follow the order. It is not necessary to say in this thread that he is a Respected member and an excellent manager - these are public facts. We are talking about something else, and I would like to see how this person behaves.

[Poker Player]

Lol. I guess it won't be long before they accuse us of being alts. I imagine the other two who opened threads about Royse777 recently must be alts of mine as well. Yes, I confess. I have 143 alts.

I also warned Sindban that Royce has quite a few red marks, and I think I'm not the only one.

The difference is that I didn't.

Can you put a link to the coinplay thread btw?

(Edited to add the following)

I see it is this one:

Coinplay.com | Brand New Crypto Sportsbook & Casino

As far as I can see, apart from the accusation of being related to 1xBit, there are also people in the thread complaining about not getting paid. We would have to discern on a case by case basis as we see many accusations on Scam Accusations that we later find out that the user had broken the rules and such.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

A task for people who are good at showing data comparing different users for different metrics LOL

I wanted to check how many topics have been created with the keyword "Royse777" in the topic title but unfortunately Ninjastic does not give me only the topics list.
My failed try : https://ninjastic.space/search?after_date=2022-01-01T00%3A00%3A00&before_date=2023-04-03T05%3A17%3A06&child_boards=true&title=%22Royse777%22
@TryNinja, hello! 😂
Timestamp from January 2022

Here are what I managed to get:
1: Royse777, Bitlucy and long story in brief posted on Reputation, created by himself.
2: How many red tags is the scammer Royse777 going to get? posted on Reputation by PaperWallet.
3: Royse777 is Casino Critique posted on Reputation by Royse777isCasinoCritique
4: Royse777 is a dishonest person and thus my negative feedback posted on Reputation by Poker Player
5: I received this private message (possible screenshot manipulation). posted on Reputation by Poker Player
6: My honest two questions to Royse777. posted on Reputation by Igebotz
7: Good Initiative by Royse777! posted on Meta by elevates and this is different than others. It's about his good works.
8: Somethings are unique and different Royse777 did today. posted on Service Discussion by elevates and another positive topic about him.
9: Royse777 is a big fraud. posted on Reputation by bladee, as usual no exactions but hate
10: What is wrong with Royse777? posted on Reputation by elevates. Poor elevates really did not understand the joke so this is with a different taste.
11: And the latest is this Incorrect use of red feedback. posted by airfinex. The title does not have the keyword "Royse777" and if I am not wrong then I saw many other topics about him without his username on the title.

Even with my poor searching skill, I managed to find 11 topics where 1 is elevates poor understanding of April jokes, 2 are from elevates again but with positive encouragement for him, 1 from himself [This is the start IMO so I ignored two to three other topics which were bounty threads] but the remaining 7 out of 11 are to throwing mud on the wall and expecting to ruin him [?].

At the end, he is one of the most desired campaign manager for the companies who want to advertise their business on the forum and currently have highest active signature campaigns [I hope I am not wrong] on his portfolio.

Now I suspect, are you all hired by him to maintain his TRP LOL?
It includes Poker Player and JollyGood too 😂

P.S: It will be interesting to see who is the most talked forum member since the last year. I can bet $100, no one will even be closer to Royse777.

[TryNinja]

I wanted to check how many topics have been created with the keyword "Royse777" in the topic title but unfortunately Ninjastic does not give me only the topics list.
My failed try : https://ninjastic.space/search?after_date=2022-01-01T00%3A00%3A00&before_date=2023-04-03T05%3A17%3A06&child_boards=true&title=%22Royse777%22

Not exactly bulletproof, but you could do: "Royse777" -Re:

a.k.a excludes titles starting with "Re:" (like most posts).

https://ninjastic.space/search?after_date=2022-01-01T00%3A00%3A00&before_date=2023-04-03T05%3A17%3A06&child_boards=true&title=%22Royse777%22%20-Re%3A

One day maybe there will be an option to only include one post per thread.

[Poker Player]

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I've just reported your posts for being off topic, although from previous experiences it seems to me that they will remain unhandled.

This thread is neither about how much Royse777 is talked about, which is what the BitcoinGirl.Club post is about, nor about how to search TryNinja's website.

Do you have anything to say about the two topics of this thread?

I remind you that they are the feedback that Royse777 left me and coinplay campaign.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

I remind you that they are the feedback that Royse777 left me and coinplay campaign.

We are here longer than you exists and trust me it's just another topic about Royse. It's just constructed to look like it's about the feedback on your trust page and coinplay accusations.

Not exactly bulletproof, but you could do: "Royse777" -Re:

I got one left and exploded it for you 😂

It's better but I spent few minutes to find why I found 11 and the refined search result was 9 [out of 13, 4 were moved version of the same topic] until I realized two topics did not have the keyword "Royse777"

Edit:
Check this: https://ninjastic.space/search?after_date=2022-01-01T00%3A00%3A00&before_date=2023-04-03T05%3A17%3A06&child_boards=true&title=%22Royse777%22%20-Re%3A%20-MOVED%3A

Even better 😉!!!

[Poker Player]

We are here longer than you exists and trust me it's just another topic about Royse. It's just constructed to look like it's about the feedback on your trust page and coinplay accusations.

You are detracting from the thread.

[holydarkness]

Unfortunately, unlike your previous thread about Cygan on Cygan abuses DT - Proof! which is quite correct, this one is not simply because that is rougly how feedback meant to be used. If I may take snippets from Loyce's Guide,

[...]
Once you fully understand the system, it's important to start using it:

• Did you do a trade in which you risked funds? Leave feedback!
• Did you see users who left accurate Trust feedback on many accounts? Add them to your Trust list!

Anyone can leave feedback, and anyone can customize their Trust list!
[...]

Don't confuse your Trust list with feedback
Trust feedback: leave feedback to people you trust or don't trust. Or leave neutral comments.
Trust list: a list of people who's judgement on others you trust (username) or don't trust (~username).

Trust feedback
Trust feedback (Positive/Neutral/Negative) can be used to express your opinion about someone's trustworthiness. In other words: would you trust or have you trusted this user with your money?

[...]

Trust list
You should add users who left accurate feedback and have good Trust lists to your Trust list, and you should exclude users who leave inaccurate feedback.
This means your Trust list should be based on how you value the users' judgement on others, and it should not be based on whether or not you Trust those users (with money) or traded with them.
[...]

Or if I may refer you to the post made by Little Mouse on that very own other thread of yours, helping Cygan to understand how both system works and their differences:

Don't include people in your trust list because they have dealt with you and you can trust them with money. This deserves a feedback.
When someone leaves accurate feedback in your perspective, only include them in your trust list. If they leave wrong feedback, exclude them from trust list.
For reference, LoyceV guide is the best- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5191802.0

Once again-
1. You have trade with someone? Leave feedback.
2. You trust someone's judgement based on the feedback they sent- Include them in your trust list.

In other words, in case you still didn't get it, feedback is for your opinion when you dealt with someone and/or having a good or bad experience with them. Trust list is for when you trusted someone's judgement.

Departing from these basis, your thread on Cygan has its weight, he did use the system wrongly, as he openly admitted, due to being clueless about it. This thread on Royse777 and the feedback he left against Poker Player, did not. Royse left a negative feedback against PP based on his opinion instead of distrusting Poker Player [~Poker Player], so he actually use the "red" feedback correctly.

And no, I'm not writing this to take side with Royse or because I'm on his campaign or --if we stretch it out-- I'm currently wearing signature of the project being mentioned and questioned here. I'll still wrote the same suppose the situation is reversed where Poker Player is the one who left the feedback to Royse, or someone else leave feedback to some other else.


As for CoinPlay campaign, I have to say that yes, they're currently having a situation and in my very own personal opinion their team handled the situation quite poorly, I'll use this chance to state my stance for that case that I am quite disagree with how they handled it. They could do better.

I was, am, and will actively monitoring the situation --trust me, you don't know how much I went back and forth between parties involved on that case prior to it being published, and even after then-- I even made a draft of a very long post questioning both sides, written on Friday and ready to be sent when Saturday come, in case the deadline made by OP of that scam accusation reached and CP still choose to be silent, which now sitting quietly on my email because CP agreed on the request made by the OP.

If you carefully read the thread instead of --I can only assume-- skimming through it just to build your case, you'll be aware that the current and last conclusion of that case is:

Coinplay, thank you for letting Askgamblers have a look at the case. Can you email me a screenshot (or post it here for even more transparency) of what request you have sent to Askgamblers? You don't need to include your "evidence" with it, only just show us the email you sent to Askgamblers with the request for them to review the case.

We meant to say that you should open a complaint on Askgamblers, where we both will provide the necessary details for them to review your case.

So this demand of yours is quite... ridiculous senseless, because both parties has agreed to take them to an arbitrator. I don't see why Royse should intervene if the case is already under review by AskGamblers.

I'm outraged and looking forward to the next one.
[...]
2. Royce will intervene in the discussion related to coinplay and, if he does not receive any results from the casino, will immediately stop the subscription campaign.
[...]

As for the feedback given by TwitchySeal on your screenshot, while I am not sure how true CP's clarification is --I think no one on this forum do, except CP themselves-- but if only TwitchySeal read two pages further, he'll see CP had made a clarification for the situation, which also has been acknowledged by several users ^{1 2 3} raising that concern and questioning the similarities:

❗ Hi everyone, Coinplay Community Manager here! I'd like to address the elephant in the room and clear up some confusion about us and 1xBet/1xBit:

Coinplay.com was partially built with some software used on 1xBet platform – that's why the website might have similar code and tools – but it's a separate project that works and develops independently. I apologize for not clearing it up right away. Our team is working hard to make Coinplay a fun and safe platform for every player, so all suggestions and comments are welcome.

Cygan, please accept my apology for mentioning your name several times on this post and inviting --perhaps unwelcomed-- attention to your profile, I have nothing against you, you're simply just case on point to aid on explaining the system to OP.

[TwitchySeal]

As for the feedback given by TwitchySeal on your screenshot, while I am not sure how true CP's clarification is --I think no one on this forum do, except CP themselves-- but if only TwitchySeal read two pages further

I read their response and I stand by both feedbacks.  They're minimizing perceived connections with scam casino 1xbit just like 1xbit minimizes connections with scam casino 1xbet.  And besides,  If it walks like a duck, and it looks like a duck, and it scams players the same way as the well known scammer duck ....

Sorry for derail. 

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

As for the feedback given by TwitchySeal on your screenshot, while I am not sure how true CP's clarification is --I think no one on this forum do, except CP themselves-- but if only TwitchySeal read two pages further, he'll see CP had made a clarification for the situation, which also has been acknowledged by several users ^{1 2 3} raising that concern and questioning the similarities:

❗ Hi everyone, Coinplay Community Manager here! I'd like to address the elephant in the room and clear up some confusion about us and 1xBet/1xBit:

Coinplay.com was partially built with some software used on 1xBet platform – that's why the website might have similar code and tools – but it's a separate project that works and develops independently. I apologize for not clearing it up right away. Our team is working hard to make Coinplay a fun and safe platform for every player, so all suggestions and comments are welcome.

May be TwitchySeal knows something that we don't yet otherwise I find it difficult why he left the negative feedback and the neutral even before the mediation is not done yet.

On the other hand just read it.

Coinplay, I give you until Saturday to reverse your decision and pay me out my fair NBA winnings. Or to agree to hand over the case to an independent investigator such as Askgamblers or Ecogra (you can choose which one). If you do neither of these 2 options then a flag will be created and a complaint will be filed at the Curacao Antillephone license, which I know has the best reputation out of all 4 license providers in Curacao, and they will take my complaint seriously.

You can end this right here and save your reputation. Be wise.

It sounds like pay me or I will destroy you. I gave up defending for the accounts come and use us to fulfill their demands. Many times, later I discovered it was the casino or the sportsbook who was the victim.

How in the hell someone can have 50 accounts with different gambling sites and play a lot of money with newly came casinos on the web? Why don't they go with highly trusted, reputable casinos like Stake, Sportsbet.io or even Duelbits? They know they can not fight against them if they caught abusing because those are too big to convince everyone.

The case seems to me a case of arbitrage betting to be honest, I could be damn wrong. But arbitrage betting is something we know all the sportsbooks don't take it easily and freeze if found the abuse.

[John Abraham]

Another Day and Another Reputation thread about this guy. Why are you guys making him so popular? Don't you see he is getting more and more projects when people come up with new reputation threads? He must be enjoying the shit show. I won't judge his feedback on the Poker player as I didn't go through the discussion topic and reference. But it is not cool to disclose someone's privacy. From his perspective, it's not trustworthy. So, the feedback is correct from his perspective.

About Coinplay, He is managing the campaign. He is not the owner. If Coinplay proves to be a scammer, he might want to consider it. For now, the Coinplay official agreed to cooperate with ask gamblers regarding the issue. Before any result comes from Coinplay AskGamblers, You cannot say they are scammers.

May be TwitchySeal knows something that we don't yet otherwise I find it difficult why he left the negative feedback and the neutral even before the mediation is not done yet.

He knew this, which you may don't know. They removed 1xbet license after forum members discovered this;

[Aanuoluwatofunmi]

What he accuses the other user of is complete nonsense, since even if he warned someone about something, it was correct, but since Royce at some point had a lot of red marks. Any adequate project would refuse to cooperate with such a manager in order to maintain its reputation.

Very very easy to handle, if a manager thinks he is accepting any negative or neutral feedback participant then he should go ahead, but if it appears that they don't have interest in accepting such user then there's no need to bother accepting them and later requesting for them to get rid of their trust tags, i think every campaigning organizations also have their own set rules and taste when it comes to offers for participation in their campaign.

[AB de Royse777]

I noticed one injustice

Send me a legal notice :-D
Do you need more merit?

Try the next one. Depending on the merit of the topic you will get more.
You can do it. Hurry!

[cygan]

✂️
Cygan, please accept my apology for mentioning your name several times on this post and inviting --perhaps unwelcomed-- attention to your profile, I have nothing against you, you're simply just case on point to aid on explaining the system to OP.

i don't hold anything against you at all and accept all that you have written
everything else i have just written in the said thread from airfinex
i am already curious, which cow will be the next, which will be driven through his village...

[TwitchySeal]

For now, the Coinplay official agreed to cooperate with ask gamblers regarding the issue. Before any result comes from Coinplay, You cannot say they are scammers.

I don't know what your deal is but give it a rest.  They've already been ruled against by askgamblers and still didn't pay another player they scammed the exact same way.  

At this point even if they end up paying GekkeBelg the neg rep is staying.  ~ me if you don't like it.

[airfinex]

Send me a legal notice :-D
Do you need more merit?

Try the next one. Depending on the merit of the topic you will get more.
You can do it. Hurry!

I have nothing against you personally, and all the threads that I create are supported by arguments. I think you're doing an excellent job of your duties, I was just commenting on what I think is unfair. I think you should edit your red review and remove the postscript that says that he "dissuaded your client." I don't care if you put the red tip back in place after that, but you should definitely remove the part I'm talking about.

[John Abraham]

For now, the Coinplay official agreed to cooperate with ask gamblers regarding the issue. Before any result comes from Coinplay AskGamblers, You cannot say they are scammers.

 They've already been ruled against by askgamblers and still didn't pay another player they scammed the exact same way.  

I didn't know that. I am supposed to write askgamblers there. If it's proven that they are the sister website of 1xbit/1xbet, and have some unsolved scam accusations. Then the community should let Royse777 know about it and let him decide what he wants to do with the campaign. I have a feeling that after all that drama that happened with him, he won't continue such a campaign and he won't play with his reputation.

At this point even if they end up paying GekkeBelg the neg rep is staying.  ~ me if you don't like it.

I didn't verify what you said yet. But, If they were already ruled against by askgamblers, and if it's already proven that they are a sister company of 1xcrap. Your Tag is still valid. About ~ you, I don't have a custom trust list yet. If I do (I may do it this week), I believe you will be on my trust list because your feedback looks reasonable. 

[Mate2237]

Royse you are not the only manager in the forum and why always you. I believed because of your act of removing users from your campaigns without good offence are some of the issues that bringing this type of thread. And also the last time I checked Royse Trust list Poker Player has removed his red flag from your profile and also I saw Poker Player made a comment on post yesterday and he was recommending you to be used by companies and I was very happy that you guys have reconciled but for me to come and see this here again is a total disappointment.

Royse I will also use this medium to say that as you are removing participants in your campaigns is very bad, because their hope is already there to work and you removed the person suddenly. The person will feel bad and disappointed. I have read a lot threads that against you in this reputation board which is not good. Please I am begging you to calm. There are some things you have to avoid to carry everyone along as a manager. Please calm down.
One love and let love lead in the forum.

[coupable]

Royse I will also use this medium to say that as you are removing participants in your campaigns is very bad, because their hope is already there to work and you removed the person suddenly. The person will feel bad and disappointed. I have read a lot threads that against you in this reputation board which is not good. Please I am begging you to calm. There are some things you have to avoid to carry everyone along as a manager. Please calm down.
One love and let love lead in the forum.

First, I don't think it has anything to do with the members Royce is getting out of the campaigns he's running. Royce's career on the forum is exciting, and his ability to prove his competence in performing his work amazes us all, despite all the crises he went through. It is true that a large percentage of bitcointalk community trust him, but this does not mean that everyone is a friend. Most of these topics were published by new accounts controlled by members who do not want to use their accounts in order to target his reputation and destroy him for nothing but because he is successful. Unfortunately, the enemies of success do always exist.
Secondly, in any campaign there is a rule that says that the campaign manager has the right to remove any member as he deems appropriate for the success of the campaign. I don't think anyone has the right to be angry about this.