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July 27, 2023, 05:45:48 AM
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wow, interesting, do you think it's possible to beat the house only using math or impossible? I know that by logic it should be impossible because the house always win.... but maybe if you're really lucky it'd be a way to bet with bigger amounts too

It seems that it will be quite impossible to beat the house in their game, because we know that they designed the game from the start using an algorithm with a low probability of winning, which means that no matter what, or whether you want to use any technique it is quite impossible to beat the house in their game. Unless you are very lucky to be able to find a hole in their game and exploit it to your advantage, but the house may ban your account for being accused of being a cheater.
Beating the house may seem difficult but it's still possible for players to do because sometimes players can win and it's proven when we see players who make withdrawals including those who complain because their withdrawals are held up by casino scams because of the large value, because if it's true that the house always wins then those who continue to gamble are those who are certain to be stupid, even though they play just to have fun but that doesn't mean winning isn't in their minds.
We'll also see how many casinos end up going bankrupt after the players win. It's because they don't build their business with adequate funds, but that's also proof that players can win and won't always lose.
Slot games are not games that can be predicted because we as players just play and wait if there is luck and we can win and I have had profits from slots, although not always.

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July 27, 2023, 05:58:27 AM
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It seems that it will be quite impossible to beat the house in their game, because we know that they designed the game from the start using an algorithm with a low probability of winning, which means that no matter what, or whether you want to use any technique it is quite impossible to beat the house in their game. Unless you are very lucky to be able to find a hole in their game and exploit it to your advantage, but the house may ban your account for being accused of being a cheater.

Yeah, it's just math.

The thing is that it's cleverly designed to look like you could win, but in reality it's almost impossible.

I reckon most people wouldn't gamble if the odds were simpler to understand. For example, would you bet that you can roll a dice and get a number 6 a few times in a row?, probably not because you know it's extremely rare.

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July 27, 2023, 11:24:13 AM
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It seems that it will be quite impossible to beat the house in their game, because we know that they designed the game from the start using an algorithm with a low probability of winning, which means that no matter what, or whether you want to use any technique it is quite impossible to beat the house in their game. Unless you are very lucky to be able to find a hole in their game and exploit it to your advantage, but the house may ban your account for being accused of being a cheater.
It's not impossible, but it's hard to beat the house in their game because they own the business and always want to get more profit than the gamblers. So it's normal to see more gamblers who will lose against the house in slot games because our chances are not great. We must think about our luck and not gamble with money we can't afford. And even if you are lucky to find a loophole in the game, the casino will find out about it and impose a penalty by blocking your account. If that happens, you will only regret it for cheating the casino.

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July 27, 2023, 11:33:22 AM
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It seems that it will be quite impossible to beat the house in their game, because we know that they designed the game from the start using an algorithm with a low probability of winning, which means that no matter what, or whether you want to use any technique it is quite impossible to beat the house in their game. Unless you are very lucky to be able to find a hole in their game and exploit it to your advantage, but the house may ban your account for being accused of being a cheater.
It's not impossible, but it's hard to beat the house in their game because they own the business and always want to get more profit than the gamblers. So it's normal to see more gamblers who will lose against the house in slot games because our chances are not great. We must think about our luck and not gamble with money we can't afford. And even if you are lucky to find a loophole in the game, the casino will find out about it and impose a penalty by blocking your account. If that happens, you will only regret it for cheating the casino.
If you think it's not impossible to beat slots, then maybe you have some strategy? Because except for luck I don't know any successful cases. If there was some other possibility to win regularly in slots, then probably many casinos would become bankrupt because of it. So apart from luck in single cases there are no other ways to win anymore.

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July 28, 2023, 06:43:15 AM
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If you think it's not impossible to beat slots, then maybe you have some strategy? Because except for luck I don't know any successful cases. If there was some other possibility to win regularly in slots, then probably many casinos would become bankrupt because of it. So apart from luck in single cases there are no other ways to win anymore.
No, I don't use any strategy in playing slots because slot games depend on the player's luck. You can only play slots and hope that your luck will come to be able to win lots of money. But based on what I've experienced, I rarely get big wins but small wins and that's fine for me because my goal in playing slots is to fill my time and have fun. But even though some people manage to win a lot, that doesn't make the casino lose because more gamblers still lose playing slots, especially if the casino has many slot games. That will attract a lot of gamblers to try their luck.

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July 28, 2023, 06:44:51 AM
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do you think it's possible to beat the house only using math or impossible? I know that by logic it should be impossible because the house always win.... but maybe if you're really lucky it'd be a way to bet with bigger amounts too
You can win from the house, but the reality is that the house will get the biggest win from the other gamblers who lose against the house. We can only win a little from the house, and even though we are lucky, the winnings are still bigger than the houses. But in the long term, I don't know if we can win that often from home, but it still looks difficult for us. So be careful when gambling, and don't use money you can't afford.
Slots are one of the most popular casino games they are easy to play but you need to know how they work. Winning from home is easy but it is important to find online slots website that gives you the ability to play from home. Take your time to find a site that offers all these things and more with a little research, you're sure to find the perfect site for you always gamble responsibly lucky people win easily. If you know their tricks, don't bet more than you can afford to lose.

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July 28, 2023, 11:54:36 AM
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1000x must be hard to win as well, what are the odds?
I know it is frustating to play and not win but maybe take it as a way to practice outcome independence
being happy regardless of what happens

Hitting 1,000x in plinko is 0.0015% or we can say it is 1 in 150k if my math is correct Smiley
I play this game a lot and I have hit 1,000x many times but most of the time it was just small bet $0.1-$0.3
I love this game since I play it for the first time years ago, the best thing in this game is that there is a guarantee 0.2x bet back in each bet because there is no 0x in the plinko game that I play.
Actually slot is better if the main idea is to hunt big multiplier because it gives more chances and more variations of multiplier.

wow, interesting, do you think it's possible to beat the house only using math or impossible? I know that by logic it should be impossible because the house always win.... but maybe if you're really lucky it'd be a way to bet with bigger amounts too
You are right in that the casino always wins, especially now that there are many online casinos. It's probably impossible to win at slots all the time. It would be an exception to the rule if you were lucky enough to win the jackpot. It will also be a good promotion for the casino to get new gamblers to start using their service. But I'm sure it's mathematically impossible to win at slots.

if you're feeling luck the best way to go is probably just play a set amount of times and stop in the moment you win
you get the money, and the dopamine hit, done

knowning when to stop is key for many good things in life.

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July 29, 2023, 12:04:19 PM
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Slots are one of the most popular casino games they are easy to play but you need to know how they work. Winning from home is easy but it is important to find online slots website that gives you the ability to play from home. Take your time to find a site that offers all these things and more with a little research, you're sure to find the perfect site for you always gamble responsibly lucky people win easily. If you know their tricks, don't bet more than you can afford to lose.
The way slot games work is indeed easy and doesn't require a lot of settings. We just need to know how much money we can afford, and then we just press the button and see the result. But if we want to increase the amount of the bet is also allowed. What's important is that we can find a casino we want to play gambling comfortably, have fun, and enjoy our free time. Also, don't bet more than you can afford so you don't experience many losses that might make you regret it.
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~snip~
if you're feeling luck the best way to go is probably just play a set amount of times and stop in the moment you win
you get the money, and the dopamine hit, done

knowning when to stop is key for many good things in life.

I went to a slot machine to try my luck against my rational side.

The situation was the following: I will put $5 into the slots and play until I get anything above the $5.

The calculations I made showed me that I will end up with cents after a few minutes as there's a minimum bet.

Away I went with the slots. Lost a couple of times, won a tiny amount, lost, won a small amount, lost a couple of times. Done.

As expected, I had cents in the machine, not able to play the next game. I cashed them out and went my merry way proving the point (but lost $5!)  Grin

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July 30, 2023, 11:23:17 AM
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Yes but lately most slots have lost this unique feature to keep you entertained while you play,the fact that many of them do not give you the bonus round in more than 500 spins is a big turn off for people.For me this was the main reason I don't play slots anymore as no matter how beautiful the graphics of a slot are,the sounds I hear are attractive as long as I don't get something to make me think that I just missed it for this little I can start quitting right away without turning back and in fact this was my idea,I have quit from more than 3 weeks now and I don't feel the need to come back,sure I play sometimes only the bonus amount I get weekly and monthly because of my sport betting and I play the bonus in the casino,guess what it flies away without me even noticing it  Grin.

Do you think they've changed something in the settings lately? All slot providers at once? Seriously, you don't think that way, right?

Let's think of how probable that is, shall we? We all know that slots is a profitable business. Both, slot providers and casinos that are renting them make good money from that. And everyone knows that if business is good, you should try to change as little as possible in it. I personally don't think they decided to change RTP of their slots(without reporting it, which is illegal btw) because they are so greedy that they want to generate even more profit. I think they are rational people and they are not doing things like that.

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Unfortunately more then 5 dollars would be needed to fully play the cycle on a normal slot machine.  The minimum bet will use it up quicker then your luck will turn around I guess.  Its ok for a quick go but I'd agree its unlikely to win back your money or make a profit.  Its no worse then buying a lottery ticket and some people prefer the interaction, like a video game but with money back added its more instant then holding onto a ticket and just hoping thats pretty boring really.    Its a good question what is the minimum to expect a return from a slot machine or a full cycle of wins and losses.   Ask the staff because they see that machine being played the entire day and probably have the best idea of what time or amount is required generally, hard to say otherwise but I think there are rules and laws deciding profitability in most states.

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July 30, 2023, 01:10:54 PM
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But even though some people manage to win a lot, that doesn't make the casino lose because more gamblers still lose playing slots, especially if the casino has many slot games. That will attract a lot of gamblers to try their luck.
You are right as most people say the wins we get in slot games come from other people's losses. The facts are like that and the casino will not lose in any way I am absolutely sure, although there are gamblers who seem as if after winning the jackpot they feel they have beaten the casino.

if you're feeling luck the best way to go is probably just play a set amount of times and stop in the moment you win
you get the money, and the dopamine hit, done

knowning when to stop is key for many good things in life.

Maybe you mean the key to gambling is getting out when you have won because the key in life is stopping is not the right choice. So the scheme is different when it comes to life.

But back again in gambling, it's not easy to stop when the momentum of the game supports winning, even though it's just a way for us to lose again faster. Gambling drives us to continue playing even if ambition tries to keep us from leaving the casino.

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July 30, 2023, 01:26:39 PM
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The slot algorithm works very differently. I must say that we could not get out of it while discussing it with friends;
After showing great promises and earnings to people who are deposited at certain times and who deposit less than the money earned by the site, it can be possible for them to increase their enthusiasm to win later and then deposit large amounts of money and take them to the brink of bankruptcy.
In such a situation, we can once again see the importance of stopping yourself, after you win good money from a slot game, you need to keep some of it for yourself and continue with the remaining money and then if you cannot multiply this money, you should not try your luck for a long time.
Otherwise, the site starts to eat your money with the hope that it will win every time you spin a slot.

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if you're feeling luck the best way to go is probably just play a set amount of times and stop in the moment you win
you get the money, and the dopamine hit, done

knowning when to stop is key for many good things in life.

Maybe you mean the key to gambling is getting out when you have won because the key in life is stopping is not the right choice. So the scheme is different when it comes to life.

But back again in gambling, it's not easy to stop when the momentum of the game supports winning, even though it's just a way for us to lose again faster. Gambling drives us to continue playing even if ambition tries to keep us from leaving the casino.
I think this means that we can control ourselves from being greedy so we can control ourselves when we gamble, at least know when to stop gambling and know when to gamble, because then we can really be safe playing gambling without having to worry about becoming addicted, even in a winning state. if we can control it then we will stop gambling.

Don't be swayed by winning, you can always control yourself, limiting the betting budget and winning targets so that there is nothing to chase when you reach the winning target, for example winning 20% of the total capital is more than enough, because with these limits we can easily control it by playing wiser and calm down without having to worry about suffering a painful defeat.

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July 30, 2023, 02:27:12 PM
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Yes but lately most slots have lost this unique feature to keep you entertained while you play,the fact that many of them do not give you the bonus round in more than 500 spins is a big turn off for people.For me this was the main reason I don't play slots anymore as no matter how beautiful the graphics of a slot are,the sounds I hear are attractive as long as I don't get something to make me think that I just missed it for this little I can start quitting right away without turning back and in fact this was my idea,I have quit from more than 3 weeks now and I don't feel the need to come back,sure I play sometimes only the bonus amount I get weekly and monthly because of my sport betting and I play the bonus in the casino,guess what it flies away without me even noticing it  Grin.

Do you think they've changed something in the settings lately? All slot providers at once? Seriously, you don't think that way, right?

Let's think of how probable that is, shall we? We all know that slots is a profitable business. Both, slot providers and casinos that are renting them make good money from that. And everyone knows that if business is good, you should try to change as little as possible in it. I personally don't think they decided to change RTP of their slots(without reporting it, which is illegal btw) because they are so greedy that they want to generate even more profit. I think they are rational people and they are not doing things like that.

I just experienced this again while I was playing with bonus money I get from sport betting again,this time it happened again and mostly it happens with Pragmatic Play,I played Sweet Bonanza and I played well over 500 spins without getting a bonus round although this slot gives you money by normal spins by keeping you playing longer so if anyone wants to increase their wagering they should play slots like this one.

The same can be said to Play n GO,Hacksaw Gaming and No Limit City,they give the bonus round so rarely lately that something must have uniquely changed from these providers,one thing is sure they are losing customers as I see in the Stake chat people asking how are Pragmatic slots today meaning they did not trust them that much anymore.

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July 30, 2023, 11:05:57 PM
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We're in a probabilistic rut. Let's rev our minds and steer clear. Gambling isn't about long-term victories or losses. It's a complicated sequence of occasional reinforcement and persistent loses. With each surprise gain, casinos hook customers with dopamine. Mathematicians are smart. Are they aiming to bankrupt gambling dens? Not likely. They probably prefer scholarly inquiry to challenging an industry rigged to win. Thus, this argument's premise appears weak. Even though the house usually wins in the long run, doesn't that short-term victory nevertheless excite and thrill?

What you say is interesting, you also touch on a topic under which it can be something good and give clues so that a person can win, everything is about mathematics and logic, in a casino, in a slot machine things are like that, in de made the program of a slot machine is made based on that, there may be a mathematical model that resembles the randomness of a slot machine, but not with the precision that we want, we always ask for 100%, but I think that if manages to arrive at a mathematical model that can pass at least 50% there is already an advantage and it can be said that things are better and that there are more possibilities of winning of course it is only my speculation not knowing if such a model exists, it can be created , It is very difficult.

That is why there is so much speculation that opens up regarding slots and AI, not only in slots but all games in a casino in general, it is said that many hackers are using AI training to be able to beat the internal algorithm system that these casino games have, especially slot machines, but the point here is difficult, because you have to beat algorithms that have random properties, and no matter how good AI exists, you have to beat what they have together, it's very, very difficult, but I do not rule out that at some point they can achieve it, the AI has been advancing, of course not as we all believe that it has advanced, it has made it very slight, but it is doing well, at the moment I see it as a Beta option that there is, but you have to take care that these things can happen later, that's why the slots providers have to take into consideration the possible scenarios that the AI can generate, or well the problems that are associated with it.

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August 01, 2023, 10:46:49 AM
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The slot algorithm works very differently. I must say that we could not get out of it while discussing it with friends;
After showing great promises and earnings to people who are deposited at certain times and who deposit less than the money earned by the site, it can be possible for them to increase their enthusiasm to win later and then deposit large amounts of money and take them to the brink of bankruptcy.
In such a situation, we can once again see the importance of stopping yourself, after you win good money from a slot game, you need to keep some of it for yourself and continue with the remaining money and then if you cannot multiply this money, you should not try your luck for a long time.
Otherwise, the site starts to eat your money with the hope that it will win every time you spin a slot.
You are right that it becomes really difficult to stop playing slots once you get into them because as you said, you tend to win at the beginning which makes you think that you will keep winning if you deposit more, but once you do that, you start losing more than you win and that is how the house takes all the money back and leave you with nothing. So, a wise gambler should simply stop when they see they've already won something on top of their deposit.

If you don't act right at the right time, you will definitely lose everything back to the house, so it's better to either withdraw some of your winnings when you already have them or just stop gambling right after you have hit a big multiplier and have your capital multiplied, that's the right time to stop gambling.

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August 02, 2023, 05:50:47 PM
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if you're feeling luck the best way to go is probably just play a set amount of times and stop in the moment you win
you get the money, and the dopamine hit, done

knowning when to stop is key for many good things in life.

I went to a slot machine to try my luck against my rational side.

The situation was the following: I will put $5 into the slots and play until I get anything above the $5.

The calculations I made showed me that I will end up with cents after a few minutes as there's a minimum bet.

Away I went with the slots. Lost a couple of times, won a tiny amount, lost, won a small amount, lost a couple of times. Done.

As expected, I had cents in the machine, not able to play the next game. I cashed them out and went my merry way proving the point (but lost $5!)  Grin

exactly
this is what will happen most of the times
but maybe if you had tried more times, lets say with 500 usd you could have some luck and win...
or... lose it all as well

tricky game to play

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Slots are one of the most popular casino games they are easy to play but you need to know how they work. Winning from home is easy but it is important to find online slots website that gives you the ability to play from home. Take your time to find a site that offers all these things and more with a little research, you're sure to find the perfect site for you always gamble responsibly lucky people win easily. If you know their tricks, don't bet more than you can afford to lose.
The way slot games work is indeed easy and doesn't require a lot of settings. We just need to know how much money we can afford, and then we just press the button and see the result. But if we want to increase the amount of the bet is also allowed. What's important is that we can find a casino we want to play gambling comfortably, have fun, and enjoy our free time. Also, don't bet more than you can afford so you don't experience many losses that might make you regret it.
Slot games are one of easiest games for anyone to play and to increase the number of bets, it better to consider your balance. If you have a small budget, it better to use the minimum bet amount or the smallest bet, but if you are using a larger budget, maybe you can slightly increase the bet amount. but always remember this easy game is very dependent on your luck and otherwise you will lose faster your balance will be sucked up in a short time.
But usually I use the method of raising the bet amount and returning a small amount to lure scatter to come up for a bit of a big multiplier opportunity.
But all that is not a guarantee

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 You did a good job @ cafter all this are strategies and requirements to help people avoid more losses on slot games, you know most people feel that slot games are easiest for them and they barely lose much when they play games from slots and then some gamblers on hearing this would switch from their previous gambling area to go focus on slot games when they have no experience or idea about it, such people would end up making a huge mistake because they might suffer losses that could make them very remorseful.
 The thing is that gambling has many area that people can stake on, choose one area, master it and you'll stand a chance of earning daily profits from it, instead of being a jack of all trades and master of none, for instance I'm a lover of sports betting and I view most football matches and know the strength of different players I stand a chance of having little loses in sports games than a lover of slot games that have little idea about sports betting, there's no gambling event that's 100% successful, pick the one you know best and stick with it, because in as much as some people feel slot games are the easiest gambling event there are people who suffer major losses from it.

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