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May 22, 2023, 06:22:26 AM
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There are many cases in sports betting and especially in football, sometimes there is fixing the score in every game so that we can lose because we chose the wrong club with the seed, that's why I'm more interested in sports betting in the big league and never betting on the minor leagues because it usually happens a lot. fraud in it and many people who do business like that.

I've heard of cheating cases like this in football, where insiders already know the results so they can bet big money to get big wins too in the stakes.  Cheesy
Fixing games without a doubt is way more common on leagues which are not really popular, as not only a lot of money is moving on the more popular leagues and as such it is more difficult to bribe the players as they will not want to take the risk to lose it all for a single time payment, but also the fact the fans watch those matches makes way more difficult to hide the fact there was some cheating involved, however on those unpopular leagues this is easier to do and even if the fans realize what is happening, most of the time nothing really happens, so the incentive to fix games and cheat is way higher there.
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May 22, 2023, 01:56:11 PM
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Especially if many people are involved in such practices, they would cover it up tightly and not let anyone else know about it. The checks carried out may only be for formality so that the public knows that the officers involved have checked everything and made sure everything is safe. Maybe big fights are the main target, but they will involve a lot of people in it, and if it gets caught by the public, it could cause the public's trust to drop drastically, and they won't give their support anymore.
that's the risk, but we can see that at the moment there is no news whatsoever about insider betting news. It is indeed completely private and only a few people know about it, and many money transactions are carried out. this could be a side practice of some other player or staff, a behind the scenes practice completely protected from the outside world.
inspection is only a formality, but in reality all rottenness is properly covered up. Nowadays platforms for betting are easier to access, easier to do without a trace.
With cryptocurrency casinos available all around the world, it is not a matter anymore to place bets on sports events from anywhere, so if an insider wants to place bets, they can easily do it with a cryptocurrency casino without anyone noticing or having any doubt unless the person who makes the bets gets caught because of his mobile being examined which is not a very likely scenario.

So with the advent of online casinos, it has become very easy for insiders in sports to cheat and win a lot of money by placing bets on teams they know will win their sources are never wrong, and no one can really stop all this.

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May 22, 2023, 03:52:59 PM
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What you are saying will actually just be a chain that rotates in a gambling because the insiders who participate in betting also use larger amounts of money so there will be no possible operation that will succeed because everything will return to the money where when there is money in huge amount no one can stop it.
Actually this is very detrimental for us because it can change the results that should already be obvious.
But it's also those with the bigger bucks who will reign supreme in sports betting.
And they can also use money from corruption which is then used for betting, and we know that is part of laundering money from the proceeds of illegal activities. And when it is money from money laundering, the amount will be huge, and we will not be able to imagine it. We can only go with the flow and hope we get lucky and win with them. After all, if we win, it's a great result for us. But if they can change the match's outcome, we have nothing to do and can only accept their loss.

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As long as the insider relationship is good, I don't think anyone will leak the information.
Actually, insider bets will only be known between one dealer and another, only 2 people or three people, and as long as the dealer is fair in distributing the results of the money, of course they always work well together without divulging any information.
Because if one leaks insider betting information, of course he will also reveal all information related to one another that has deceived many people.
No one will leak it if those involved in the bet have agreed beforehand and can take care of each other. And that seems to have happened where they can bet and benefit from it. They are the ones who will win a lot of money because they can find out more detailed information, while outsiders won't know and will experience defeat if they don't follow the dealer.
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May 22, 2023, 05:05:00 PM
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There are many cases in sports betting and especially in football, sometimes there is fixing the score in every game so that we can lose because we chose the wrong club with the seed, that's why I'm more interested in sports betting in the big league and never betting on the minor leagues because it usually happens a lot. fraud in it and many people who do business like that.

I've heard of cheating cases like this in football, where insiders already know the results so they can bet big money to get big wins too in the stakes.  Cheesy
Fixing games without a doubt is way more common on leagues which are not really popular, as not only a lot of money is moving on the more popular leagues and as such it is more difficult to bribe the players as they will not want to take the risk to lose it all for a single time payment, but also the fact the fans watch those matches makes way more difficult to hide the fact there was some cheating involved, however on those unpopular leagues this is easier to do and even if the fans realize what is happening, most of the time nothing really happens, so the incentive to fix games and cheat is way higher there.

I think match fixing is more common in boxing.  We often see unfair judging and referee intervention to change the course of the match, it happens plenty in the history of boxing.  The stated scenario that recently happen are the match of Devin Haney and Lomachenco getting a controversial decision, and Tony Weeks making a controversial stoppage in the fight between Romero and Barroso.  Relating these controversial event to spots betting, isn't it possible that these accused of fixing the match is somehow made a bet and made a decision that will secure themselves of winning?

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May 22, 2023, 05:43:15 PM
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Imagine placing a bet on the fastest runner, which looks like a sure win to you and the runner decides to pretend to be weak and give the 1st position to another runner, the truth is you will never know if the runner took a bribe to lose the game intentionally, this is one of the ugly sides of placing bets that gamblers have no control over.

Scripted matches can be planned so neat that no one will ever know about, some people are saying that such things don't happen with popular sports but I doubt it, because this is money we are talking about here, powerful enough for some group of people to make a decision that will change the entire future of a sport match.

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May 22, 2023, 05:54:38 PM
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Imagine placing a bet on the fastest runner, which looks like a sure win to you and the runner decides to pretend to be weak and give the 1st position to another runner, the truth is you will never know if the runner took a bribe to lose the game intentionally, this is one of the ugly sides of placing bets that gamblers have no control over.

Scripted matches can be planned so neat that no one will ever know about, some people are saying that such things don't happen with popular sports but I doubt it, because this is money we are talking about here, powerful enough for some group of people to make a decision that will change the entire future of a sport match.
Very well said, I think based on experience, I've reached the level where I no longer say or believe that something is impossible, most especially, when it has to do with something like what is being discussed here.

Fixed games, or scripted matches rather, is very possible, as long as money is involved, money changes gives everything except life, and to see how power money is, it can save lives.

It's just like the last game Arsenal played against Brighton, many believed that Arsenal sold that game to Brighton, cus they can't believe how it became possible for Brighton  to beat Arsenal with 3 goals to nothing, typical example of what a scripted match feels like.

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May 23, 2023, 11:15:00 AM
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What you are saying will actually just be a chain that rotates in a gambling because the insiders who participate in betting also use larger amounts of money so there will be no possible operation that will succeed because everything will return to the money where when there is money in huge amount no one can stop it.
Actually this is very detrimental for us because it can change the results that should already be obvious.
But it's also those with the bigger bucks who will reign supreme in sports betting.
There are many cases in sports betting and especially in football, sometimes there is fixing the score in every game so that we can lose because we chose the wrong club with the seed, that's why I'm more interested in sports betting in the big league and never betting on the minor leagues because it usually happens a lot. fraud in it and many people who do business like that.

I've heard of cheating cases like this in football, where insiders already know the results so they can bet big money to get big wins too in the stakes.  Cheesy
Do you really think that no fixing happens in the big leagues? If you think so, you are wrong. Fixing or cheating is done even in the big leagues and tournaments but it is done on a lower scale and done very secretly so that the news about such things never surpasses, even if the management comes to know about it, they would never disclose it knowing it will ruin the reputation of the team.

And about insiders, yes, it happens a lot of times when insiders know the results in advance, and they sometimes manage to place bets based on that and win a lot of money but sometimes they are not allowed to do so.

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May 25, 2023, 07:19:18 PM
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Fixing games without a doubt is way more common on leagues which are not really popular, as not only a lot of money is moving on the more popular leagues and as such it is more difficult to bribe the players as they will not want to take the risk to lose it all for a single time payment, but also the fact the fans watch those matches makes way more difficult to hide the fact there was some cheating involved, however on those unpopular leagues this is easier to do and even if the fans realize what is happening, most of the time nothing really happens, so the incentive to fix games and cheat is way higher there.

I think match fixing is more common in boxing.  We often see unfair judging and referee intervention to change the course of the match, it happens plenty in the history of boxing.  The stated scenario that recently happen are the match of Devin Haney and Lomachenco getting a controversial decision, and Tony Weeks making a controversial stoppage in the fight between Romero and Barroso.  Relating these controversial event to spots betting, isn't it possible that these accused of fixing the match is somehow made a bet and made a decision that will secure themselves of winning?


Fixing games is also more common in sports of appreciation, so in a sport like soccer even if it possible to also fix games there, this is way more difficult due to the number of players on the field and the fact that one team could still overcome doubtful decisions with their brilliant performance, but as you can see fixing a match is easier on boxing, and there have been many instances in which everyone saw a a fighter win and the judges gave the fight to his opponent.
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May 25, 2023, 07:38:47 PM
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Imagine placing a bet on the fastest runner, which looks like a sure win to you and the runner decides to pretend to be weak and give the 1st position to another runner, the truth is you will never know if the runner took a bribe to lose the game intentionally, this is one of the ugly sides of placing bets that gamblers have no control over.

Scripted matches can be planned so neat that no one will ever know about, some people are saying that such things don't happen with popular sports but I doubt it, because this is money we are talking about here, powerful enough for some group of people to make a decision that will change the entire future of a sport match.
Very well said, I think based on experience, I've reached the level where I no longer say or believe that something is impossible, most especially, when it has to do with something like what is being discussed here.

Fixed games, or scripted matches rather, is very possible, as long as money is involved, money changes gives everything except life, and to see how power money is, it can save lives.

It's just like the last game Arsenal played against Brighton, many believed that Arsenal sold that game to Brighton, cus they can't believe how it became possible for Brighton  to beat Arsenal with 3 goals to nothing, typical example of what a scripted match feels like.


I absolutely agree with you. Fixed matches will continue to happen until there is greater oversight of athletes, coaches and clubs and stiffer penalties for those whose guilt is proven.

But in general I don't believe that fixed matches will ever be completely eliminated, that's why I think it's better to bet on several matches than on one single match.

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Congress has long-recognized the potential harms posed by sports betting to the integrity of sporting contests and the public confidence in these events.

This topic stems from the suspension of Jameson Williams for 6 games because he violated the gambling policy. I dug a little and found out the reason for the policy. My understanding of this is that there are two sides to sports betting, the gambler's side and then sports contest games. But this is the first time I am reading that sports betting can affect the game negatively and results in reduced public confidence. Does this apply to the NFL only? What about soccer and other sports? Are they exempted? Let's talk about this.

If you think about how much these sporting superstars get paid, then it is not too much to ask of them that they do not place any bets on related sports events. Conflict of interests can be very serious and there are plenty of opportunities to gamble on unrelated sports or in casinos, so you have to assume that they are engaged in malicious activity if they do this. I'm sure sports betting companies are often looking out for dangerous and suspicious patterns in their customers behavior, but rigging can be very difficult to spot if done in a low key manner. That's why the penalties should be so high and whistleblowers should be well compensated (maybe from a fund set up by gambling companies which would save them money in the long term)

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May 25, 2023, 08:55:29 PM
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Imagine placing a bet on the fastest runner, which looks like a sure win to you and the runner decides to pretend to be weak and give the 1st position to another runner, the truth is you will never know if the runner took a bribe to lose the game intentionally, this is one of the ugly sides of placing bets that gamblers have no control over.

Scripted matches can be planned so neat that no one will ever know about, some people are saying that such things don't happen with popular sports but I doubt it, because this is money we are talking about here, powerful enough for some group of people to make a decision that will change the entire future of a sport match.
So many things are really happening in gambling so that is why there are always complain where you will see gamblers complaining about casinos not giving them what they deserves. A lot of fraud is happening and we should not surprised about many of these techniques that casinos are using to deprive us of some certain benefits.

Scripted matches do happen even in other sport bets especially in wrestling and others. This is one of the ways these people do make money from gamblers without us knowing how it was planned.

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I absolutely agree with you. Fixed matches will continue to happen until there is greater oversight of athletes, coaches and clubs and stiffer penalties for those whose guilt is proven.

But in general I don't believe that fixed matches will ever be completely eliminated, that's why I think it's better to bet on several matches than on one single match.
Since the incentives to cheat will away be there then it is easy to speculate that fixed matches will never disappear, but at least an effort should be made to curb this behavior, I really think that the different sports and leagues around the world are afraid that if they made a real effort to crack down on those cheaters they will find out that a great deal of their teams and players were in it, and they will suffer huge repercussions if this was ever found out by the public.
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In any area where there is a lot of money, and sports betting is just one of those areas, there will always be people seeking every possible way to cheat the system and make money on it. So just build into your analytics some probability that any match can be fixed. Understanding this is not so disappointing when the team that was supposed to win suddenly los

I agree with this motion, that's why casinos, betting houses should always have a very big vision about what their security can be, apart from this it could be said that casinos do not do things to reward those who manage to have or discover a vulnerability, and for this reason it is that they always exploit, so it is something that casinos have not yet taken into consideration to do and for their own security, so it is good that casinos invest a lot in their security as well There are reward programs for those who manage to get a vulnerability fixed.

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I absolutely agree with you. Fixed matches will continue to happen until there is greater oversight of athletes, coaches and clubs and stiffer penalties for those whose guilt is proven.

But in general I don't believe that fixed matches will ever be completely eliminated, that's why I think it's better to bet on several matches than on one single match.
Betting on one single match is fine as long as you bet on an important match e.g. final match in international event or top 2 fighters fight for legacy. It's quite impossible if those critical match is scripted because many players or fighters want to achieve something in their career, not just to earn huge amount of money.

But the most important thing is only bet what you can afford to lose.

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June 11, 2023, 02:33:45 PM
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I absolutely agree with you. Fixed matches will continue to happen until there is greater oversight of athletes, coaches and clubs and stiffer penalties for those whose guilt is proven.

But in general I don't believe that fixed matches will ever be completely eliminated, that's why I think it's better to bet on several matches than on one single match.
Since the incentives to cheat will away be there then it is easy to speculate that fixed matches will never disappear, but at least an effort should be made to curb this behavior, I really think that the different sports and leagues around the world are afraid that if they made a real effort to crack down on those cheaters they will find out that a great deal of their teams and players were in it, and they will suffer huge repercussions if this was ever found out by the public.

It is true, no matter how much effort is successful, the trap will always succeed, and it is somewhat sad, it should not exist, personally, I do not think things are here with sports, sports betting should not have any kind of repercussion with sports, but Apparently this has affected football, because here with the simple fact of seeing that the VAR and the arbitration shortlist can have their secrets is something that they fought so that they would not have more access to the audios and what is discussed in the VAR, something that seemed very bad to me and one of the main things so that they can continue doing the tricks.

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June 11, 2023, 04:45:22 PM
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I absolutely agree with you. Fixed matches will continue to happen until there is greater oversight of athletes, coaches and clubs and stiffer penalties for those whose guilt is proven.

But in general I don't believe that fixed matches will ever be completely eliminated, that's why I think it's better to bet on several matches than on one single match.
Since the incentives to cheat will away be there then it is easy to speculate that fixed matches will never disappear, but at least an effort should be made to curb this behavior, I really think that the different sports and leagues around the world are afraid that if they made a real effort to crack down on those cheaters they will find out that a great deal of their teams and players were in it, and they will suffer huge repercussions if this was ever found out by the public.

It is true, no matter how much effort is successful, the trap will always succeed, and it is somewhat sad, it should not exist, personally, I do not think things are here with sports, sports betting should not have any kind of repercussion with sports, but Apparently this has affected football, because here with the simple fact of seeing that the VAR and the arbitration shortlist can have their secrets is something that they fought so that they would not have more access to the audios and what is discussed in the VAR, something that seemed very bad to me and one of the main things so that they can continue doing the tricks.

We know that in gambling there will be money, unfortunately the numbers are fantastic, and as we also know money is one of the things that will make something that is impossible possible. Here is how the ingenuity of a bookie or what we often call "mafia" in sports will move. Yes they have a lot of access to influence important people who are closely related to the sport with some money.
Things like this are indeed very difficult to express, because every time they are detected, they will dare to sacrifice people to become scapegoats, and keep their main mastermind safe.

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June 14, 2023, 04:32:42 AM
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Betting on one single match is fine as long as you bet on an important match e.g. final match in international event or top 2 fighters fight for legacy. It's quite impossible if those critical match is scripted because many players or fighters want to achieve something in their career, not just to earn huge amount of money.

But the most important thing is only bet what you can afford to lose.
Single games are the best and easiest to predict because one can focus on a single game and always have an 80% probability of winning. Betting is all about being confidence in one's prediction, whether it will result in profits or loses at the end of the game. We have no idea how these the exterior fights will end, which is why it's called a bet, because we have no idea what will happen, but with my betting confidence and accurate prediction, we might come out on top. I always bet what I can afford to lose because I don't want to get into a scenario where I have to bet more than my projected budget.

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June 14, 2023, 04:42:15 AM
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I absolutely agree with you. Fixed matches will continue to happen until there is greater oversight of athletes, coaches and clubs and stiffer penalties for those whose guilt is proven.

But in general I don't believe that fixed matches will ever be completely eliminated, that's why I think it's better to bet on several matches than on one single match.
Betting on one single match is fine as long as you bet on an important match e.g. final match in international event or top 2 fighters fight for legacy. It's quite impossible if those critical match is scripted because many players or fighters want to achieve something in their career, not just to earn huge amount of money.

But the most important thing is only bet what you can afford to lose.

Gambling can be as dynamic as we have been seing in many of the cases whereby you discover that some matches are fix, some are not, but as a gambler, we can decide on the match we want to go for to bet, it perfectly work for some to engaged more than two matches whe gambling because they under the way to run th altogether while some only partake i single match play because that's how and where they can perform best.
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June 14, 2023, 08:11:05 AM
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Betting on one single match is fine as long as you bet on an important match e.g. final match in international event or top 2 fighters fight for legacy. It's quite impossible if those critical match is scripted because many players or fighters want to achieve something in their career, not just to earn huge amount of money.

But the most important thing is only bet what you can afford to lose.
Single games are the best and easiest to predict because one can focus on a single game and always have an 80% probability of winning. Betting is all about being confidence in one's prediction, whether it will result in profits or loses at the end of the game. We have no idea how these the exterior fights will end, which is why it's called a bet, because we have no idea what will happen, but with my betting confidence and accurate prediction, we might come out on top. I always bet what I can afford to lose because I don't want to get into a scenario where I have to bet more than my projected budget.
By betting on what we can afford to lose, we won't regret it too much if our bet loses because that can happen in gambling. We don't know whether the fight was written or not written in the scenario because the important thing is we know what we are doing and which one we are betting on. And whatever happens with that match, whether written or not, we don't need to think about it and can only enjoy the match and see if our bet wins or loses. We only need to risk what we can afford and forget after we see the results so we don't get too sad if we lose.

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June 14, 2023, 09:52:20 AM
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There are many cases in sports betting and especially in football, sometimes there is fixing the score in every game so that we can lose because we chose the wrong club with the seed, that's why I'm more interested in sports betting in the big league and never betting on the minor leagues because it usually happens a lot. fraud in it and many people who do business like that.

Also in the big league, there is match fixing but it's not as common as we have in smaller league that isn't getting much attention therefore the officials can decide to do anything they like and won't get punished. In some games you'll notice how poor the players play.

Those type of game always ends in a draw but one of the teams should have been the favorite as they're stronger and more in form than the other team although since they shared point, the both teams don't lose and they're comfortable with the way the match ended.

Match fixing is a problem in sport all over the world and while some are very obvious others are done in a way it'll be very hard to noticed that the game was already fixed to be draw so both teams can shared the point to get an advantage over other teams in the league or tournament.

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