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December 10, 2023, 09:35:19 PM
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I agree that failure to qualify for the round of 16 or into the Europa League would be the end for Ten Hag. United need different leadership, someone who is smart and more charismatic to create a warmer dressing room environment without any bickering.
Whilst i agree that Erik Ten Hag would be fired sooner or later, i don't think he'd be sacked during the season, maybe at the end of the season. The hierarchy at United would know that sacking Ten Hag mid season wouldn't really help the team, but it would completely flatten the team, and they'll not even have enough time to find the right manager.

Ten Hag has been so poor in handling the dressing room, he has a problem with player management and i don't even know what his footballing philosophies are, he is an average manager at best and he'd prolly go in the summer.
I think it's not easy because until now the fans are not calling for the hashtag #tenhagout and as far as I can see Manchester United management still really believes in his job as coach. Maybe there is some truth in what you said, if the dismissal of Erik Ten Hag in the middle of the season will make the existing situation worse, unless management has prepared a replacement who is much more experienced and also very credible, that's not a problem.

Erik ten Hag is nothing special and perhaps from the start the Red Devils fans had too high expectations of him and for fans of other clubs this coach was probably only in the class of a mid-table team coach. Apart from all that, this season's Champions League doesn't leave the slightest hope for Manchester United to qualify and I think everyone knows that, so changes here are probably not really needed.
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December 10, 2023, 09:43:37 PM
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I agree that failure to qualify for the round of 16 or into the Europa League would be the end for Ten Hag. United need different leadership, someone who is smart and more charismatic to create a warmer dressing room environment without any bickering.
Whilst i agree that Erik Ten Hag would be fired sooner or later, i don't think he'd be sacked during the season, maybe at the end of the season. The hierarchy at United would know that sacking Ten Hag mid season wouldn't really help the team, but it would completely flatten the team, and they'll not even have enough time to find the right manager.

Ten Hag has been so poor in handling the dressing room, he has a problem with player management and i don't even know what his footballing philosophies are, he is an average manager at best and he'd prolly go in the summer.
I think it's not easy because until now the fans are not calling for the hashtag #tenhagout and as far as I can see Manchester United management still really believes in his job as coach. Maybe there is some truth in what you said, if the dismissal of Erik Ten Hag in the middle of the season will make the existing situation worse, unless management has prepared a replacement who is much more experienced and also very credible, that's not a problem.

Erik ten Hag is nothing special and perhaps from the start the Red Devils fans had too high expectations of him and for fans of other clubs this coach was probably only in the class of a mid-table team coach. Apart from all that, this season's Champions League doesn't leave the slightest hope for Manchester United to qualify and I think everyone knows that, so changes here are probably not really needed.

One issue might be that Manchester United doesn't know who could fill the gap if they fire ten Hag and I think there is some truth to that as not that many great coaches are available at the moment I believe. However, I don't really like when clubs wait too long until everything turned into a mess and then hand it over to a new coach who has to start from scratch and even without the Champions League qualification in a worst case. I don't know what they are waiting for, but the loss against Bournemouth at Old Trafford was a torture for every Manchester United fan. Yet ten Hag is still around and I am sure there are lots of people wondering about that.

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December 10, 2023, 10:26:46 PM
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I agree that failure to qualify for the round of 16 or into the Europa League would be the end for Ten Hag. United need different leadership, someone who is smart and more charismatic to create a warmer dressing room environment without any bickering.
Whilst i agree that Erik Ten Hag would be fired sooner or later, i don't think he'd be sacked during the season, maybe at the end of the season. The hierarchy at United would know that sacking Ten Hag mid season wouldn't really help the team, but it would completely flatten the team, and they'll not even have enough time to find the right manager.

Ten Hag has been so poor in handling the dressing room, he has a problem with player management and i don't even know what his footballing philosophies are, he is an average manager at best and he'd prolly go in the summer.

Erik ten Hag made many mistakes in Manchester United and Sancho was one example also this coach doesn't want to accept the mistakes he had in this team and that's not good but don't forget that Erik ten Hag was the coach who joined Manchester United while they were in the trouble situation and Ten Hag was the person who helped them to get improved in the last season and take the Champions League ticket for this season otherwise Manchester United could have even worst situation.

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December 10, 2023, 10:47:44 PM
 #11904

I agree that failure to qualify for the round of 16 or into the Europa League would be the end for Ten Hag. United need different leadership, someone who is smart and more charismatic to create a warmer dressing room environment without any bickering.
Whilst i agree that Erik Ten Hag would be fired sooner or later, i don't think he'd be sacked during the season, maybe at the end of the season. The hierarchy at United would know that sacking Ten Hag mid season wouldn't really help the team, but it would completely flatten the team, and they'll not even have enough time to find the right manager.

Ten Hag has been so poor in handling the dressing room, he has a problem with player management and i don't even know what his footballing philosophies are, he is an average manager at best and he'd prolly go in the summer.

Erik ten Hag made many mistakes in Manchester United and Sancho was one example also this coach doesn't want to accept the mistakes he had in this team and that's not good but don't forget that Erik ten Hag was the coach who joined Manchester United while they were in the trouble situation and Ten Hag was the person who helped them to get improved in the last season and take the Champions League ticket for this season otherwise Manchester United could have even worst situation.


Last season wasn't a masterpiece either, but Manchester United was able to finish the season with a good result because many other teams didn't perform as expected. The most prominent example is Liverpool and Tottenham and that is why Manchester United was able to qualify for the Champions League. Right now I don't see them as having the potential anymore to finish the season top four. Just look at Aston Villa, which in my opinion is much stronger that Manchester United and now consider what it would take for them to stay at the top. They would have to outperform several top teams. I believe that they will finish the season in the midfield of the table.

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December 10, 2023, 10:48:26 PM
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The possibility of Manchester United reaching the knockout stages of this season's UEFA Champions League competition isn't mathematically impossible but logically looking at their chances of reaching the round of 16, you'll agree to the fact that they'll need a miracle to achieve that. Many people have been saying that since Bayern Munich was convincingly beaten by Frankfurt they can still be humiliated at Old Trafford next midweek but little did they forget that same Manchester United that'll be facing Bayern Munich next week were also beaten by Bournemouth in the English Premier League.
That's why Manchester United still has a chance to qualify. It is because they still can qualify as mathematically. But we must admit that it is a bit hard, Man United needs to win and the other match should end with a draw. I guess Man United can beat Bayern Munich, especially if we consider their last performance. But hoping the match Copenhagen vs Galatasaray to end with a draw, it is a very small chance.

The result of the game between Copenhagen and Galatasaray will determine of Manchester United stands a chance to progress as a win by any of the two sides will end Manchester United's champions league hopes even if they bear Bayern and that's why I don't see them reaching the knockout stages
Indeed. The match Copenhagen vs Galatasaray will be the key whether Man United to qualify or not. If there is a winner in the match Copenhagen vs Galatasaray, Man United will have no chance to qualify for the knock-out phase.


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December 10, 2023, 11:11:44 PM
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I agree that failure to qualify for the round of 16 or into the Europa League would be the end for Ten Hag. United need different leadership, someone who is smart and more charismatic to create a warmer dressing room environment without any bickering.
Whilst i agree that Erik Ten Hag would be fired sooner or later, i don't think he'd be sacked during the season, maybe at the end of the season. The hierarchy at United would know that sacking Ten Hag mid season wouldn't really help the team, but it would completely flatten the team, and they'll not even have enough time to find the right manager.

Ten Hag has been so poor in handling the dressing room, he has a problem with player management and i don't even know what his footballing philosophies are, he is an average manager at best and he'd prolly go in the summer.

We can all see Manchester United's performance and are all convinced that they are out of form and that the manager's job is in danger.  No one knows when he will be fired, but if the Manchester United team does not improve by the end of the month, I believe Eric Ten Hag will be relieved of his duties as manager of the club by the end of the season.

They should fire him now so that things don't get messy later, but doing so could result in a lot more defeats than they're already dealing with. A round of 16 qualification in either the Champions League, which is almost impossible, or the Europa League, which we hope they can reach, will not prevent them from sacking the coach if he does not improve by the end of the season.

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December 10, 2023, 11:28:28 PM
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I agree that failure to qualify for the round of 16 or into the Europa League would be the end for Ten Hag. United need different leadership, someone who is smart and more charismatic to create a warmer dressing room environment without any bickering.
Whilst i agree that Erik Ten Hag would be fired sooner or later, i don't think he'd be sacked during the season, maybe at the end of the season. The hierarchy at United would know that sacking Ten Hag mid season wouldn't really help the team, but it would completely flatten the team, and they'll not even have enough time to find the right manager.

Ten Hag has been so poor in handling the dressing room, he has a problem with player management and i don't even know what his footballing philosophies are, he is an average manager at best and he'd prolly go in the summer.

We can all see Manchester United's performance and are all convinced that they are out of form and that the manager's job is in danger.  No one knows when he will be fired, but if the Manchester United team does not improve by the end of the month, I believe Eric Ten Hag will be relieved of his duties as manager of the club by the end of the season.

They should fire him now so that things don't get messy later, but doing so could result in a lot more defeats than they're already dealing with. A round of 16 qualification in either the Champions League, which is almost impossible, or the Europa League, which we hope they can reach, will not prevent them from sacking the coach if he does not improve by the end of the season.

I think that ten Hag's fate is tied to the Champions League group stage. If they lose their last game and miss the round of 16 and also the Europa League, I can imagine that it would be the end for him. In my opinion that would be too late, but I think that could be the game that the management is now waiting for. Although I don't fully understand all the patience they have. I guess I would have changed something already about the coach.

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December 10, 2023, 11:59:46 PM
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Whilst i agree that Erik Ten Hag would be fired sooner or later, i don't think he'd be sacked during the season, maybe at the end of the season. The hierarchy at United would know that sacking Ten Hag mid season wouldn't really help the team, but it would completely flatten the team, and they'll not even have enough time to find the right manager.

Ten Hag has been so poor in handling the dressing room, he has a problem with player management and i don't even know what his footballing philosophies are, he is an average manager at best and he'd prolly go in the summer.

I think firing the coach is not the solution for Man United at the moment, look Man United has had several world class managers and all of them have failed at some level. The problem is that there is a culture at United where the players are bigger than the manager and the board/hierarchy plays into that.

There needs to be a cultural change where the manager is seen as the ultimate boss and instills less fear in the players. Once the players are afraid of making mistakes, that's how Man United will start to see good results. Man United in the UCL league doesn't need to expect much this season, I predict they will remain in fourth place as bottom, qualifying for the last 16 of this group. Bayern Munich is accompanied by Galatasaray.
I disagree with you on this, because if there is a culture that Manchester United's management supports players who are bigger than their head coach, there is no way that Manchester United's management could have banned Jadon Sancho from training with Manchester United's first team when Jadon Sancho refused to apologize to Erik Ten Hag.


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December 11, 2023, 02:59:12 AM
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I think that ten Hag's fate is tied to the Champions League group stage. If they lose their last game and miss the round of 16 and also the Europa League, I can imagine that it would be the end for him. In my opinion that would be too late, but I think that could be the game that the management is now waiting for. Although I don't fully understand all the patience they have. I guess I would have changed something already about the coach.

I don't think it's that easy to immediately fire Ten Hag if MU fails in the UCL or can't fill the UEL spot. MU has shown quite good performance last season by finishing in 3rd place in the EPL, that could be the reason the management is still retaining Ten Hag. This indicates that MU may wait until the end of the season or until his contract expires. It was too difficult for MU, spending a lot of money but not finding a coach who was effective in managing the team.

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December 11, 2023, 03:14:48 AM
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I think that ten Hag's fate is tied to the Champions League group stage. If they lose their last game and miss the round of 16 and also the Europa League, I can imagine that it would be the end for him. In my opinion that would be too late, but I think that could be the game that the management is now waiting for. Although I don't fully understand all the patience they have. I guess I would have changed something already about the coach.


i think still dificult can get europa league ticket
because until now still fourth rank, and last match meet bayern munhen is very dificult can win, i think last match meet bayern munchen . manchester united can lose

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December 11, 2023, 03:16:36 AM
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We can all see Manchester United's performance and are all convinced that they are out of form and that the manager's job is in danger.  No one knows when he will be fired, but if the Manchester United team does not improve by the end of the month, I believe Eric Ten Hag will be relieved of his duties as manager of the club by the end of the season.

They should fire him now so that things don't get messy later, but doing so could result in a lot more defeats than they're already dealing with. A round of 16 qualification in either the Champions League, which is almost impossible, or the Europa League, which we hope they can reach, will not prevent them from sacking the coach if he does not improve by the end of the season.
Erik Ten Hak do have a big responsibility in training Manchester United to perform well in their second season,, but he has a big problem because a number of players have begun to show resistance and not play optimally in several matches. The opportunity not to qualify for the round of 16 can trigger fans to voice Erik Ten Hak the to get out of Old Trafford because they increasingly do not believe in the ability of the Dutch passport coach. A number of decisions taken by Erik Ten Hak are completely confusing because he always rotates players when Manchester United is superior

Manchester United have just suffered defeat in the league when facing Bournemouth and the good news is the condition of Bayern Munich is also not good when they travel to Old Trafford because it has just been slaughtered by Frankfurt in a shame, so the morals of the players of the two teams are not in good condition, but Manchester United is more benefited because Play in the cage itself.

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December 11, 2023, 03:43:39 AM
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Harry Maguire's being the Player of the Month in the EPL was one of the most interesting incidents I have witnessed this season.  Grin  Because we have seen so many memes related to him all over the social media due to his bad performances before. This was like an answer from to all those memes but it is doubtful if he can maintain this effort longer.

He had better do so for Manchester United's next game especially. Because they have a very critical game to play in the Champions League.

Honestly I think that they can win against Bayern Munich. Because Bayern Munich don't give their 100% anymore after securing first place. They might not even bring all of their main lineup players to England or we might see many of them in the subs.
There is no doubt about this he was most hated person in Manchester United but with his skills and performance he changes things and now having award like this which is amazing stuff from him even the team is not at his good and facing many challenges on and off the field, but he just gives shut up call to all his haters with his performance and improvement now after having humiliating defeat at home against Bournemouth now they are going to face Bayern Munich which is another challenge because in cast of lost we can expect good changes in this team but win can bring some stability.

Bayern Munich also having some troubling time with they are playing relaxed games and this can give good advantage to Manchester United even their chances for the qualification still depend on other match result, but they can bring this success for their own moral and confidence.
Okay, Harry Maguire and Manchester United's situation is muddled, right? Maguire's growth is admirable. His recent performances have silenced some naysayers. Lets be honest - his prior failures cost the team, and fans took a while to change their tune. Now facing Bayern Munich is another challenge. Bayern may be struggling in their league, but they're still a force, especially against English clubs. United needs to develop a rhythm, not just win this game. Winning against Bayern could bolster them, but stability will need more than one win. They must keep showing themselves, and Maguire is crucial.

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December 11, 2023, 03:55:39 AM
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We can all see Manchester United's performance and are all convinced that they are out of form and that the manager's job is in danger.  No one knows when he will be fired, but if the Manchester United team does not improve by the end of the month, I believe Eric Ten Hag will be relieved of his duties as manager of the club by the end of the season.

They should fire him now so that things don't get messy later, but doing so could result in a lot more defeats than they're already dealing with. A round of 16 qualification in either the Champions League, which is almost impossible, or the Europa League, which we hope they can reach, will not prevent them from sacking the coach if he does not improve by the end of the season.
Erik Ten Hak do have a big responsibility in training Manchester United to perform well in their second season,, but he has a big problem because a number of players have begun to show resistance and not play optimally in several matches. The opportunity not to qualify for the round of 16 can trigger fans to voice Erik Ten Hak the to get out of Old Trafford because they increasingly do not believe in the ability of the Dutch passport coach. A number of decisions taken by Erik Ten Hak are completely confusing because he always rotates players when Manchester United is superior

Manchester United have just suffered defeat in the league when facing Bournemouth and the good news is the condition of Bayern Munich is also not good when they travel to Old Trafford because it has just been slaughtered by Frankfurt in a shame, so the morals of the players of the two teams are not in good condition, but Manchester United is more benefited because Play in the cage itself.
As a head coach, indeed supposed to have a bigs responsibility, but Manchester United current situation is really a mess, whether in the Premier League or in the Champions League. I don't thought this club to experience a significant decline.
I thinks Erik Ten Hag is the right manager for Manchester United, however, turn out to be the same as the previous manager, only at the beginning they were able to prove the best, but as times went by, they began to be unable to stabilize the performance composition of the Manchester United. Management team they should start taking actions now before it is too late, even though it is actually already too late, but at least there is still time to improved and focus on match in Premier League so that next season Manchester has another chances to playing in the UEFA Champions League, where this season Manchester United seems difficult to get through to the next rounds.


Manchester United homed match cannot be completely superior. Manchester United home match is sometime disappointing, like a few day ago against Bournemouth, even being humiliated by a landslide scored while Bayern Munich has only experienced 1 defeat in the Bundesliga and in Champions League Bayern has not yet experienced a defeated, I thinks Bayern Munich will not continue their bad record in the next matches.
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December 11, 2023, 03:57:53 AM
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i think still dificult can get europa league ticket
because until now still fourth rank, and last match meet bayern munhen is very dificult can win, i think last match meet bayern munchen . manchester united can lose
Agree with you, Manchester United will not necessarily be able to get ticket to compete in the European League because they have to beat Bayern Munich to get third place.
But if the match between Galatasaray vs Copenhagen ends in draw and Manchester United wins over Bayern Munich then that means Manchester United will qualify for the last 16 because they have 7 points and Galatasaray and Copenhagen will only have 6 points each.
Just can that happen? Will luck favor Manchester United?
I think it just an opportunity with excessive expectations because it impossible for Manchester United to beat Bayern Munich.

If this season Manchester United does not have any major competitions apart from the Premier League and in the future they cannot again have safe place for UCL tickets next season then we will see Manchester United with their new coach next season.
For too long, he has relied on Tan Hag, who is full of instability, in providing formations and strategies for the squad he trains.
Manchester United really needs coach who can be relied on with real performance who is able to provide change, not make them fail in various competitions such as the UCL and the European League.

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December 11, 2023, 04:20:08 AM
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Manchester United homed match cannot be completely superior. Manchester United home match is sometime disappointing, like a few day ago against Bournemouth, even being humiliated by a landslide scored while Bayern Munich has only experienced 1 defeat in the Bundesliga and in Champions League Bayern has not yet experienced a defeated, I thinks Bayern Munich will not continue their bad record in the next matches.
Manchester United is a popular club in the Premier League but their performance is not satisfying the fans at all. Manchester United failed in either the Champions League or the English Premier League. I don't see any possibility of Manchester United that this team can do well in Champions League or Premier League. To do well in either the Premier League or the Champions League, they will need to make significant changes to the game, which they have not been able to do yet. The next Champions League match is against Bayern Munich and that match will be played at Manchester United's home ground. I would definitely favor Bayern Munich to win even if Manchester United have some home ground advantage and even if they don't win by a big margin I believe Bayern Munich can get 3 points against Manchester United.

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December 11, 2023, 04:26:53 AM
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I think that ten Hag's fate is tied to the Champions League group stage. If they lose their last game and miss the round of 16 and also the Europa League, I can imagine that it would be the end for him. In my opinion that would be too late, but I think that could be the game that the management is now waiting for. Although I don't fully understand all the patience they have. I guess I would have changed something already about the coach.

I don't think it's that easy to immediately fire Ten Hag if MU fails in the UCL or can't fill the UEL spot. MU has shown quite good performance last season by finishing in 3rd place in the EPL, that could be the reason the management is still retaining Ten Hag. This indicates that MU may wait until the end of the season or until his contract expires. It was too difficult for MU, spending a lot of money but not finding a coach who was effective in managing the team.
this makes more sense but last season as far as I know, Man United initially experienced difficulties in the middle of the season and improved again very strongly towards the end of the season so they could finish in 3rd place in the standings and it makes sense to keep Ten Hag after this coach was able to win a ticket to Unfortunately, the UCL is not what Man United expected, it is getting worse and if Ten Hag cannot produce satisfactory results in the EPL or other competitions, it is possible that Ten Hag will soon be fired for many reasons to replace him with a new coach.

and the upcoming match looks like the end of Man United appearance in the UCL because they have to face a big team that has much better performance.

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December 11, 2023, 05:11:09 AM
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i think still dificult can get europa league ticket
because until now still fourth rank, and last match meet bayern munhen is very dificult can win, i think last match meet bayern munchen . manchester united can lose
Although currently Bayern also had quite bad match results in the Bundesliga because they lost 5-1 to Eintracht Frankfurt. But still I still believe Bayern is still stronger than Man United. And yes, it will even be very difficult for Man United to get tickets to the European League at this time. Because Man United has to beat Bayern if they want to get a ticket to the European League. And it would be very lucky for Man United if Copenhagen could only get a draw against Galatasaray. Because it will make Man United qualify for the round of 16. But if Man United loses then Man United will also fail to get a European League ticket. Even if Copenhagen and Galatasaray get a draw it would still be bad news for Man United if they lose to Bayern. So the only chance for Man United is to beat Bayern.

But the scenario that could happen is that Bayern don't play to their maximum strength and don't play much of their core players. So Man United can have a chance to win.


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December 11, 2023, 06:21:27 AM
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Manchester United have just suffered defeat in the league when facing Bournemouth and the good news is the condition of Bayern Munich is also not good when they travel to Old Trafford because it has just been slaughtered by Frankfurt in a shame, so the morals of the players of the two teams are not in good condition, but Manchester United is more benefited because Play in the cage itself.

Manchester United really benefited in this match. But Munich really came without any burden. United have a lot of pressure because they must win this match while Bayern only need to play for the sixth match in the group stage. They have 100% qualified for the next round as first place. So I think Bayern will benefit more because they can play without any pressure.

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December 11, 2023, 07:06:06 AM
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Manchester United have just suffered defeat in the league when facing Bournemouth and the good news is the condition of Bayern Munich is also not good when they travel to Old Trafford because it has just been slaughtered by Frankfurt in a shame, so the morals of the players of the two teams are not in good condition, but Manchester United is more benefited because Play in the cage itself.

Manchester United really benefited in this match. But Munich really came without any burden. United have a lot of pressure because they must win this match while Bayern only need to play for the sixth match in the group stage. They have 100% qualified for the next round as first place. So I think Bayern will benefit more because they can play without any pressure.

I hope United loses this game too so there will be no choice foe the team management but to sack Ten Haag which for me is the root evil of all things happening to them.They are losing every single game lately and even lost to Bournemouth this last weekend at home.This will be a very difficult game for Manchester and most likely no good will come from this otherwise this would be a big surprise for the good for them.

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December 11, 2023, 07:37:39 AM
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I think that ten Hag's fate is tied to the Champions League group stage. If they lose their last game and miss the round of 16 and also the Europa League, I can imagine that it would be the end for him. In my opinion that would be too late, but I think that could be the game that the management is now waiting for. Although I don't fully understand all the patience they have. I guess I would have changed something already about the coach.


i think still dificult can get europa league ticket
because until now still fourth rank, and last match meet bayern munhen is very dificult can win, i think last match meet bayern munchen . manchester united can lose

MU can get europa league as long as it will able to win against bayern. This is a mandatory for manchester united. I meant if one of teams from the match between copenhagen vs galatasaray will be losing then MU can also have 2 points more compared to the loser from that match.
So, i can say that if manchester united will able to qualify for the upcoming round in europa league as long as it will be able to win against bayern. Winning the game vs bayern becmoes a mandatory for manchester united.

There are two possibilities if MU will be able to win against bayern.

1. Qualify for the last 16
2. Quality for the europa league.

MU can get one from those options as long as it will be winning against bayern. That will be far better rather than do nothing.

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