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August 26, 2023, 08:58:38 AM
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Canada win by 30 points - probably nobody didn't saw this coming. I made mistake by understimating Canada, seems that this year they really have team which can achieve something and this win is serious statement.

Same here, not in my wildest dreams that Canada would blew them out that way, though i bet for Canada, i thought it was a risky bet since France is still loaded with NBA caliber talent but luckily for me they faltered and my bet won.

Philippines had great chance to win against really solid team, but on last minutes they didn't had their leader Jordan Clarkson and they didn't found other player who can lead them in decisive moments.

Yeah, Philippines performed well and though Gilas lost, nothing to be ashamed as they left everything they got in the court last night and let us if they can bring the same intensity against Angola tomorrow.

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August 26, 2023, 09:28:41 AM
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Here is another fun fact from NeonMan himself,

The record attendance for a FIBA game was 25 years ago, Dream Team II at 32,000. While the Arena in the Philippines and the attendance there was 38,115 fans rooting for Gilas to win, unfortunately, KAT was too strong. Kai Sotto try to guard him but it was clearly a mismatch.

But the good thing about KAT is that he recognized and respect the efforts of team Philippines.

He see how passionate the Filipino on basketball and he receive a lot of love from Philippines so expect that he will say something good to their opponent also to the host country. But its really a tight game between Philippines and Dominican Republic if Philippines didn't collapsed on last quarter and Clarkson didn't get fouled out maybe the result is different. Philippines coaching staff seems having a big mess and looks like he don't have proper plan if Clarkson is out of the game.

That was the turning point – when he fouled out, it became the reason why the Philippines couldn't find their offensive rhythm anymore. Nevertheless, I believe it's time to move forward. With two more games ahead, I hope the Philippines will learn from their mistakes and make the necessary adjustments. We have a good opportunity against Angola, although I'm uncertain about our chances against Italy.

For the article I read and noise on social media many Filipino basketball fans doesn't like the current coach because his system use is outdated and it really show how inconsistent he is in creating crucial decision that's why they always left behind by their opponents. Lets hope that their lose to Dominican republic will be their wake up call to create more better plays and decision especially on crucial minutes. They there full of talents but they are just been wasted because their coaching staff doesn't know how to use them they just let Clarkson get tired and receive more fouls then we see how bad the result it turns for them.

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August 26, 2023, 09:36:43 AM
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Canada win by 30 points - probably nobody didn't saw this coming. I made mistake by understimating Canada, seems that this year they really have team which can achieve something and this win is serious statement.

Same here, not in my wildest dreams that Canada would blew them out that way, though i bet for Canada, i thought it was a risky bet since France is still loaded with NBA caliber talent but luckily for me they faltered and my bet won.\
I'm also surprised, considering France's high ranking. One would have expected them to provide a tough challenge to Canada, but suffering a 30-point loss is quite significant.

It's possible that during the tune-up games, they intentionally didn't play at their full potential to avoid being scouted. However, this game has likely revealed their true capabilities, and they indeed appear scary.

SGA's performance truly resembled his playing style with the Oklahoma City Thunder averaging almost 30 points per game.
Philippines had great chance to win against really solid team, but on last minutes they didn't had their leader Jordan Clarkson and they didn't found other player who can lead them in decisive moments.

Yeah, Philippines performed well and though Gilas lost, nothing to be ashamed as they left everything they got in the court last night and let us if they can bring the same intensity against Angola tomorrow.



I'm cheering for the Philippines to secure a victory against Angola, although they are now heavily favored.

The odds stand at 1.26 for a win, with a -8.5 spread.

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August 26, 2023, 09:52:28 AM
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Same here, not in my wildest dreams that Canada would blew them out that way, though i bet for Canada,
Congratulations with your bet, you've won and that's like an unusual bet that you possible thought that it won't win.

i thought it was a risky bet since France is still loaded with NBA caliber talent but luckily for me they faltered and my bet won.
They sure are and that's why many think that they're going to make it easy for these line up matches. But Canada just upset them and they're not the only team with NBA players though just few than them.

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August 26, 2023, 09:53:45 AM
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August 26, 2023, 09:56:43 AM
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I'm cheering for the Philippines to secure a victory against Angola, although they are now heavily favored.
We have to. Everyone is cheering for them in group A. Despite that it's not really going to be an easy way, 2 more games and the next one will define if there's still a chance or none although the last match is against Italy and it's like a hands-up match for the Gilas. This isn't the Gilas that we used to know, despite of being belittled and having a little chance to get on. We've seen how the team cope up against Dominican Republic which have been thought that will stomped the team easily but no. Angola for tomorrow and then Italy on Tuesday. Many are hoping that by tomorrow, they could get a win against them but on Tuesday, it's like that the majority are no longer optimistic.

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August 26, 2023, 10:26:48 AM
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Canada win by 30 points - probably nobody didn't saw this coming. I made mistake by understimating Canada, seems that this year they really have team which can achieve something and this win is serious statement.

Same here, not in my wildest dreams that Canada would blew them out that way, though i bet for Canada, i thought it was a risky bet since France is still loaded with NBA caliber talent but luckily for me they faltered and my bet won.
Make it three of us.  Grin
A blowout like that against a strong team like France is something surprising especially after how I saw France played during the EuroBasket.

Puerto Rico won but good game for South Sudan.
Just when I thought what South Sudan lacking were shooters, Jones surprised me when he hit a big three-pointer to tie the game and extend it to overtime. They made a mistake by fouling Puerto Rico at seconds remaining but luckily, both missed.
Puerto Rico on the other hand, didn't give room for South Sudan in overtime, they rained with threes and just protected the lead for a win.

South Sudan's strength is the inside, but as I said, they lack shooters to spread the floor. It's a sad loss but that's how the game works.

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August 26, 2023, 10:30:24 AM
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Same here, not in my wildest dreams that Canada would blew them out that way, though i bet for Canada,
Congratulations with your bet, you've won and that's like an unusual bet that you possible thought that it won't win.

i thought it was a risky bet since France is still loaded with NBA caliber talent but luckily for me they faltered and my bet won.
They sure are and that's why many think that they're going to make it easy for these line up matches. But Canada just upset them and they're not the only team with NBA players though just few than them.

Congrats on your win mate. France may have Fournier, Gobert, and an aging Batum but Canada in this FIBA tournament is reinforced by six NBA players and they're not just young but very talented. Shai Gilgeous-Alexander made a huge performance of the night with a double-double. I expect Canada to play even better in their next games, especially RJ Barrett who seemed to have an offnight shooting.

It's really a good thing that I decided not to make bets during the first day of this tournament. I would've lost my Finland and France bets.

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August 26, 2023, 11:01:51 AM
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Is there someone who's watching Iran and Brazil? The 3rd quarter has ended and Brazil's score is 82 while for Iran, it is 46.
It is painful to see how Iran is being massacred by Brazil. I used to see a strong Iran but not with this performance that they are currently being shown. I will not watch anymore the 4th quarter as this is a one sided game and this has already been decided on who's going to win this match.

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August 26, 2023, 11:05:52 AM
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I just break even in the Philippines vs Dominican Republic game, was able to catch the +11.5 but my ML lost beating on Philippines.

@tabas - yeah, Iran used to be a good team in the past, but I haven't followed their roster though. Maybe they have a lot of new players and those who have experienced have retired already. Hence, they can't keep up with a team like Brazil in this FIBA.

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August 26, 2023, 11:33:51 AM
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Congrats on your win mate. France may have Fournier, Gobert, and an aging Batum but Canada in this FIBA tournament is reinforced by six NBA players and they're not just young but very talented. Shai Gilgeous-Alexander made a huge performance of the night with a double-double. I expect Canada to play even better in their next games, especially RJ Barrett who seemed to have an offnight shooting.

It's really a good thing that I decided not to make bets during the first day of this tournament. I would've lost my Finland and France bets.
That's fine, we've got still some few matches remaining left and that's where you should put your bet.

Next opponent of Canada is Lebanon and I guess many have been impressed by them against France and this is going to give them confidence to bet with the Team Canada.

While for their last match, it's going to be Latvia.

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August 26, 2023, 01:29:12 PM
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@tabas - yeah, Iran used to be a good team in the past, but I haven't followed their roster though. Maybe they have a lot of new players and those who have experienced have retired already. Hence, they can't keep up with a team like Brazil in this FIBA.
Honestly, I just knew the entire team without being familiarized with their roster. Maybe just Haddadi? There were too many upsets during this FIBA world cup opening.

I just break even in the Philippines vs Dominican Republic game, was able to catch the +11.5 but my ML lost beating on Philippines.
That's fine as long as you're able to break even instead of having losses, I'd take it than the opposite.

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August 26, 2023, 02:01:29 PM
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@tabas - yeah, Iran used to be a good team in the past, but I haven't followed their roster though. Maybe they have a lot of new players and those who have experienced have retired already. Hence, they can't keep up with a team like Brazil in this FIBA.
Honestly, I just knew the entire team without being familiarized with their roster. Maybe just Haddadi? There were too many upsets during this FIBA world cup opening.

I just break even in the Philippines vs Dominican Republic game, was able to catch the +11.5 but my ML lost beating on Philippines.
That's fine as long as you're able to break even instead of having losses, I'd take it than the opposite.

And if I'm not mistaken, there is Iran A and Iran B, please correct me if I'm wrong. And yeah it was just Haddadi that we are more familiar.

I haven't put a single bet on the tournament though, but congrats to those who have been in the winning runs already. But as you have said, handicaps are also hard to bet right now because there could be upsets in the coming days. Like the other day, no one expects Canada to blow up the France team, but as I have said, they are the second favorite in this tournament and looks solid.

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August 26, 2023, 02:36:23 PM
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Here is another fun fact from NeonMan himself,

The record attendance for a FIBA game was 25 years ago, Dream Team II at 32,000. While the Arena in the Philippines and the attendance there was 38,115 fans rooting for Gilas to win, unfortunately, KAT was too strong. Kai Sotto try to guard him but it was clearly a mismatch.

But the good thing about KAT is that he recognized and respect the efforts of team Philippines.

He see how passionate the Filipino on basketball and he receive a lot of love from Philippines so expect that he will say something good to their opponent also to the host country. But its really a tight game between Philippines and Dominican Republic if Philippines didn't collapsed on last quarter and Clarkson didn't get fouled out maybe the result is different. Philippines coaching staff seems having a big mess and looks like he don't have proper plan if Clarkson is out of the game.

That was the turning point – when he fouled out, it became the reason why the Philippines couldn't find their offensive rhythm anymore. Nevertheless, I believe it's time to move forward. With two more games ahead, I hope the Philippines will learn from their mistakes and make the necessary adjustments. We have a good opportunity against Angola, although I'm uncertain about our chances against Italy.

For the article I read and noise on social media many Filipino basketball fans doesn't like the current coach because his system use is outdated and it really show how inconsistent he is in creating crucial decision that's why they always left behind by their opponents. Lets hope that their lose to Dominican republic will be their wake up call to create more better plays and decision especially on crucial minutes. They there full of talents but they are just been wasted because their coaching staff doesn't know how to use them they just let Clarkson get tired and receive more fouls then we see how bad the result it turns for them.

Indeed, the Pilipinas have a good roster and yet coach Chot Reyes, their coach, cannot utilize them all to make a much better play and just like what he had done to the team the other day, it was evident that he's not the right man for the job. Even the Filipino fans knew that there are others who is more deserving but they were not given a chance to have another coach.

There are lots of window at that time that he could've pull out a good move as a coach but it's like he don't see it or sometimes, he's already late before he realized it. Even the challenge calls wasn't utilized well.

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August 26, 2023, 03:12:01 PM
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Yeah, Philippines performed well and though Gilas lost, nothing to be ashamed as they left everything they got in the court last night and let us if they can bring the same intensity against Angola tomorrow.

If they bring the same intensity in the court against Angola, they have a chance to get a win tomorrow. And maybe, rotate the players better. Jordan Clarkson is good scorer, but we see him falter later in the game because he is already exhausted. All the 12 Gilas members are good players, if they rotate them properly, they can give Jordan Clarkson the needed rest.

For the article I read and noise on social media many Filipino basketball fans doesn't like the current coach because his system use is outdated and it really show how inconsistent he is in creating crucial decision that's why they always left behind by their opponents. Lets hope that their lose to Dominican republic will be their wake up call to create more better plays and decision especially on crucial minutes. They there full of talents but they are just been wasted because their coaching staff doesn't know how to use them they just let Clarkson get tired and receive more fouls then we see how bad the result it turns for them.

In fairness to the coaches of Gilas, they did research and created good strategies to counter the bigs of Dominican Republic. If you watched the game, you can see KAT was not getting easy shots and Edu was limiting his touches. That is why the game was just a close game. The coach just faltered on properly rotating his players to give his main men rest.

Anyway, the fans cannot do anything about who will be placed to coach the national team. There is just too much politics in Philippine basketball that it is already limiting the potential of the players.

I'm cheering for the Philippines to secure a victory against Angola, although they are now heavily favored.
We have to. Everyone is cheering for them in group A. Despite that it's not really going to be an easy way, 2 more games and the next one will define if there's still a chance or none although the last match is against Italy and it's like a hands-up match for the Gilas. This isn't the Gilas that we used to know, despite of being belittled and having a little chance to get on. We've seen how the team cope up against Dominican Republic which have been thought that will stomped the team easily but no. Angola for tomorrow and then Italy on Tuesday. Many are hoping that by tomorrow, they could get a win against them but on Tuesday, it's like that the majority are no longer optimistic.

Even the head coach said that they cannot defeat Italy. They already given up even before the fight even started. That is why I do not like this coach, he does not uplift his players and he got too much politics going on. Gilas best bet should have been winning against Dominican Republic and Angola so we can move on to the next round. But since we lost to Dominican Republic, Gilas should win the next two games to move on to the next round.

Indeed, the Pilipinas have a good roster and yet coach Chot Reyes, their coach, cannot utilize them all to make a much better play and just like what he had done to the team the other day, it was evident that he's not the right man for the job. Even the Filipino fans knew that there are others who is more deserving but they were not given a chance to have another coach.

There are lots of window at that time that he could've pull out a good move as a coach but it's like he don't see it or sometimes, he's already late before he realized it. Even the challenge calls wasn't utilized well.

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August 26, 2023, 04:05:30 PM
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And if I'm not mistaken, there is Iran A and Iran B, please correct me if I'm wrong. And yeah it was just Haddadi that we are more familiar.

There’s only one team allowed on world cup. There’s no Iran A and B team if you are pertaining that they have 2 team for the world cup.

I remember clearly Haddadi since he is the one that keeps defeating Philippines on previous FIBA Asia qualifiers due to to his height. I’m surprised that he is still active until now but sad for them since they seems doesn’t have good players on their roster.

Canada to blow up the France team, but as I have said, they are the second favorite in this tournament and looks solid.

Canada is the best team next to USA with their current roster that is full pack of young NBA player that performs well in NBA especially Shai Gilgeous-Alexander. He is a monster even when he play on OKC while France only have Gobert that can’t cover all the shooters from Canada that kills them since they can’t answer on the 2nd half.

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Today it was such boring day, from all 8 games only one - South Sudan - Puerto Rico was interesting. Blowouts by 30-40 points don't help to attract spectators, but it's quiteusual image in group stages of World Cup. Simply because gap between elite teams and rest of world is huge.
While South Sudan - Puerto Rico was close game as expected. Disappointed about outcome of game, I supported South Sudan, win in debut game of World cup would be big thing for this young and poor country.
New Zeland managed to be close to USA for big part of time, but while watching game it was obvious that's only matter of time when USA will run away.
Tomorrow it will be much more interesting day. Australia - Germany or France - Latvia sounds exciting, Italy - Dominican Republic too. Our neighbours Latvia got very complicated group, if they want to reach next round, they have to beat either France or Canada. Philippines have great chance to get their win in World Cup, playing against Angola.

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New Zeland managed to be close to USA for big part of time, but while watching game it was obvious that's only matter of time when USA will run away.

Kinda thought that New Zealand have that one in the bag. USA tuned it up big time on the second quarter and made sure that there are very minimal turnovers on the third. After that, I know that New Zealand is already losing hope, with most of their plays no longer centered on the inside and are just trying to take the threes whenever possible. It was a good effort, but certainly not as exciting since the game is pretty one-sided when the end of the 2nd quarter is nearing.

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Today it was such boring day, from all 8 games only one - South Sudan - Puerto Rico was interesting. Blowouts by 30-40 points don't help to attract spectators, but it's quiteusual image in group stages of World Cup. Simply because gap between elite teams and rest of world is huge.
While South Sudan - Puerto Rico was close game as expected. Disappointed about outcome of game, I supported South Sudan, win in debut game of World cup would be big thing for this young and poor country.
New Zeland managed to be close to USA for big part of time, but while watching game it was obvious that's only matter of time when USA will run away.
Tomorrow it will be much more interesting day. Australia - Germany or France - Latvia sounds exciting, Italy - Dominican Republic too. Our neighbours Latvia got very complicated group, if they want to reach next round, they have to beat either France or Canada. Philippines have great chance to get their win in World Cup, playing against Angola.
It was an intense and exciting game though I'm at a loss on that game as I favored to South Sudan with 1.97 odds at -2.5. Well, they are in the lead until the end of 3rd quarter but they can't keep it sealed in the last quarter and maybe experience was the key here that Puerto Rico won. I think Philippines has the chance really there to win over Angola but would be tough with the speed especially over the Angolan point guard Dundao, he's the dark horse on that squad.
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August 26, 2023, 09:29:10 PM
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New Zeland managed to be close to USA for big part of time, but while watching game it was obvious that's only matter of time when USA will run away.

Kinda thought that New Zealand have that one in the bag. USA tuned it up big time on the second quarter and made sure that there are very minimal turnovers on the third. After that, I know that New Zealand is already losing hope, with most of their plays no longer centered on the inside and are just trying to take the threes whenever possible. It was a good effort, but certainly not as exciting since the game is pretty one-sided when the end of the 2nd quarter is nearing.
It was a good game for both teams and USA really work hard to erase the double digit lead of New Zealand and prevail at the end.
This may not be the most dominant players for USA but I think they are still doing good and making a great name for their own.
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