FIBA Basketball World Cup 2023 - Betting and Discussions

[Hypnosis00]

Basketnews published a great video about the "new dark horse", team Germany.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-6aJ3PAbh4

They are totally right, at this point our team can beat anybody on a good day. And when/if Franz Wagner comes back we will have 1 more big option on offense, compared to the Australia game.

I hope the coach gives all the the important guy some well deserved rest, I mean limited minutes versus Finland.
We don't need the points and/or the win, it would be the smart decision. Of course it would be nice to win and stay unbeaten ( it's also good for the momentum, but since it's worth nothing it would be smart to not take any risks.

Franz can heal is sprain a little long and Schröder/Theis/Mo shouldn't play more than 20 minutes in my opinion.

They are already performing admirably, having demonstrated their superiority against Australia. Once Franz Wagner returns, their performance is likely to further enhance. In my estimation, this team could develop into a strong contender against Team USA. Schröder's exceptional abilities have been evident, even in the NBA where he has established himself as a clutch player. In this team, he stands as the leader, and with his consistent stellar performances, there's a possibility that they could potentially upset the favorites.

Considering their ranking of 11 before the tournament (as seen on https://www.fiba.basketball/rankingmen), their achievements thus far are genuinely astonishing.

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[YuginKadoya]

Disappointed with the matches yesterday. Asian, African and Oceanian teams were destroyed by Europeans and Americans. Serbia had an easy win over China, with a margin of 105-63. USA swept the floor with New Zealand, to win by 99-72. And in the third match, Ivory Cost lost to Spain by a margin of 64-94. For me, the only interesting match was the one between South Sudan and Puerto Rico. The former gave a tough fight to Puerto Rico, but eventually lost by the slightest of the margins (96-101). This team shows a lot of promise for sure.

But Japan got a great win against Finland and against a NBA player that is Lauri Markennen and without much help from Yuta Watanabe, from that play Japan got a great spread of scores to Keisei Tominaga , and Hiejima Makoto, that both got 17 points  while Yuki Kawamura was great in making play he almost got a double-double with that 9 assist and 25 points while Josh Hawkinson got a double-double of 19 rebounds and 28 points, Japan just got an upset on Finland,

It was Paulo Banchero that has the most score in team USA while Austin Reaves was great in making play and have 6 assist, surely USA is a prominent team in this league,

He didn't properly utilize his player and used those people who's afraid to shoot then create more turnovers on crucial minutes that's the reason why they lose. If they could just change the management for sure they can get a good result with their campaign.
But let see it still one game if they lose again and didn't have good plays used. Maybe its time for the coach to realize that he's not helping the national team anymore and step down to most deserving one than him.

Yup! he didn't commit with the players that are likely can make a play and he even made them play late the Rotation is awful I can surely say about it, and even though Kai Sotto is not effective against Karl Anthony Towns he doesn't deserve to be left sitting on the bench without trying it again, if there is 1 thing about that for sure Sotto can learned to adjust with his tactics so he deserve a 2nd chance,

It happen again against Angola the rotation is bad the Angola knows about Jordan Clarkson so they will surely go and double team or triple teaming Jordan Clarkson for sure so the best way is if Jordan Clarkson is going to be double played he should make a decision in giving the ball to the free players,

Correct. Greece without Giannis is not really a good team to go against the strong ones, especially the USA. Offense is a big problem for them although I can see they can somehow protect the rim using their height advantage. Speed base though, they are a mismatch to the young roster of the USA.

Iran versus Ivory Coast was one of the close games yesterday but I doubt many of you are watching that game.

Later we have some good games and might be the final game for other countries.
The Philippines facing Italy, the big question of the Filipinos is if we can ever win one game against European teams just like how Japan did it.

How about France? Truly surprising that they have not won any yet. They will be facing Lebanon later and I think this is where they will get their first win.

Montenegro versus Lithuania this game I will definitely be tuned in. The odds are favoring Lithuania but I think I will take the risk of betting for Montenegro.

Good luck with your bets guys.

For sure 1 Antetokounmpo is not enough and because the big gun Antetokounmpo is not with the Greece it is a sure lost for them, and the Greece didn't cover the spread, while the USA pretty much got a great spread against them, even though the USA consist of newer players for the NBA they still perform that great,

[Kelvinid]

The Philippines are facing a tough challenge against Italy. Despite being ranked as the top team in this group, Italy suffered a loss to the Dominican Republic. As a result, they now need a victory to secure their spot in the second round. This situation poses a significant challenge for the Philippines. From what I've gathered, the Philippines must win by at least 13 points to advance to the next round. Given these circumstances, it appears that Italy might have the upper hand and could secure an easy win, what are your thoughts?

[Natalim]

The Philippines are facing a tough challenge against Italy. Despite being ranked as the top team in this group, Italy suffered a loss to the Dominican Republic. As a result, they now need a victory to secure their spot in the second round. This situation poses a significant challenge for the Philippines. From what I've gathered, the Philippines must win by at least 13 points to advance to the next round. Given these circumstances, it appears that Italy might have the upper hand and could secure an easy win, what are your thoughts?

This marks the Philippines' final game, and a loss would result in an early exit from the competition. It's crucial to rally behind the team at this juncture. With the game set to commence in under an hour, it's worth acknowledging that while the odds may be slim, the crowd's persistent support is anticipated. Best of luck to Gilas Pilipinas as they aim for a remarkable upset. Let's hope for an impressive performance and an unexpected victory.

[inthelongrun]

The Philippines are facing a tough challenge against Italy. Despite being ranked as the top team in this group, Italy suffered a loss to the Dominican Republic. As a result, they now need a victory to secure their spot in the second round. This situation poses a significant challenge for the Philippines. From what I've gathered, the Philippines must win by at least 13 points to advance to the next round. Given these circumstances, it appears that Italy might have the upper hand and could secure an easy win, what are your thoughts?

Italy needed this win so they would not give the Philippines a breathing air in this game. I really want an upset although it might still not be enough for them to lead by 13 points. The best scenario here is Italy winning by more than 13 points. I expect a heavy blowout win by Italy as they are trying to get the second spot while at the same time trying to boost the team's confidence which is needed in the knockout stage.

I think Chot Reyes the Philippine coach for many years already should be ashamed and give up the job after this event. I remember when he mentioned that the most important during games is the learning experience. Yet most players he coached before are already retired or past prime and are not part of the national pool.

[AHOYBRAUSE]

Unfortunately the miracle I was hoping for, Japan beating Australia, is not happening. It would have been nice to see at least 1 host nation in the next round. 

In 30 minutes there is a very interesting game with Montenegro vs Lithuania. Both are unbeaten and are looking to take the points of this game to the next round. Lithuania looked really strong in their previous 2 games and I don't see them stopping now. Under normal conditions they should win this easy but the odds are only slightly in their favor for whatever reason.

They need this win (so does Montenegro of course) and will not hold back.

PS: After the 1st quarter the Philippines show some nice resistance against Italy, I hope they can keep this up and maybe add another upset to the tournament. 

[Sanitough]

Unfortunately the miracle I was hoping for, Japan beating Australia, is not happening. It would have been nice to see at least 1 host nation in the next round.  

It's not likely to happen, as Asian teams may not be that strong. As far as I know, only Japan has won a game so far among all Asian teams. It would be a significant accomplishment for them to advance to the second round, perhaps in the future.

They celebrated this one.

Japan in tears after first ever win against European team in FIBA World Cup

In 30 minutes there is a very interesting game with Montenegro vs Lithuania. Both are unbeaten and are looking to take the points of this game to the next round. Lithuania looked really strong in their previous 2 games and I don't see them stopping now. Under normal conditions they should win this easy but the odds are only slightly in their favor for whatever reason.

They need this win (so does Montenegro of course) and will not hold back.

PS: After the 1st quarter the Philippines show some nice resistance against Italy, I hope they can keep this up and maybe add another upset to the tournament.  

I am currently watching the Philippines vs Italy game. As expected, Italy has dominated the game from the very start. The Philippines are still experimenting with their lineup, but they seem to have no answer for Italy's height advantage. Not only that, but Italy's outside shooting percentage is also quite high.

[btc_angela]

The Philippines are facing a tough challenge against Italy. Despite being ranked as the top team in this group, Italy suffered a loss to the Dominican Republic. As a result, they now need a victory to secure their spot in the second round. This situation poses a significant challenge for the Philippines. From what I've gathered, the Philippines must win by at least 13 points to advance to the next round. Given these circumstances, it appears that Italy might have the upper hand and could secure an easy win, what are your thoughts?

Italy needed this win so they would not give the Philippines a breathing air in this game. I really want an upset although it might still not be enough for them to lead by 13 points. The best scenario here is Italy winning by more than 13 points. I expect a heavy blowout win by Italy as they are trying to get the second spot while at the same time trying to boost the team's confidence which is needed in the knockout stage.

I think Chot Reyes the Philippine coach for many years already should be ashamed and give up the job after this event. I remember when he mentioned that the most important during games is the learning experience. Yet most players he coached before are already retired or past prime and are not part of the national pool.

And he has been criticized already, and it seems that he is not bothered at all. Nevertheless, I do agree that he has done a poor job coaching the Gilas team. Their opponents already know what the game plan of team, and that is give the ball to JC and let him do that work.

This is one of the best Gilas team in my recent memory and yet they have a hard time winning games specially that they are the host nation.  Any how, let's see how they fare against Italy here.

[Questat]

The Philippines are facing a tough challenge against Italy. Despite being ranked as the top team in this group, Italy suffered a loss to the Dominican Republic. As a result, they now need a victory to secure their spot in the second round. This situation poses a significant challenge for the Philippines. From what I've gathered, the Philippines must win by at least 13 points to advance to the next round. Given these circumstances, it appears that Italy might have the upper hand and could secure an easy win, what are your thoughts?

Italy needed this win so they would not give the Philippines a breathing air in this game. I really want an upset although it might still not be enough for them to lead by 13 points. The best scenario here is Italy winning by more than 13 points. I expect a heavy blowout win by Italy as they are trying to get the second spot while at the same time trying to boost the team's confidence which is needed in the knockout stage.

I think Chot Reyes the Philippine coach for many years already should be ashamed and give up the job after this event. I remember when he mentioned that the most important during games is the learning experience. Yet most players he coached before are already retired or past prime and are not part of the national pool.

And he has been criticized already, and it seems that he is not bothered at all. Nevertheless, I do agree that he has done a poor job coaching the Gilas team. Their opponents already know what the game plan of team, and that is give the ball to JC and let him do that work.

This is one of the best Gilas team in my recent memory and yet they have a hard time winning games specially that they are the host nation.  Any how, let's see how they fare against Italy here.

It appears that the Philippines might face their worst defeat in this tournament if they don't make a comeback in the second half. The first half has concluded, with the score at 39-48, favoring Italy. The second quarter has been Italy's strongest quarter yet, as they outscored the Philippines by 12 points after trailing by 2 points in the first quarter.

Italy's superiority in the three-point line is evident, given their impressive statistics compared to the Philippines:

Philippines: 6/16, or 37%
Italy: 9/21, or 43%

[stadus]

The Philippines mounted a remarkable comeback, showing their strength in the 4th quarter. However, they couldn't overcome Italy's strong 3-point shooting, and fell slightly short. Personally, I find their effort commendable, especially since I placed a bet on them with a +12 handicap – which worked out well. With their journey now concluded, it's time for the team to relax and embrace an early vacation.

FINAL SCORE  83-90

[Wapfika]

The Philippines mounted a remarkable comeback, showing their strength in the 4th quarter. However, they couldn't overcome Italy's strong 3-point shooting, and fell slightly short. Personally, I find their effort commendable, especially since I placed a bet on them with a +12 handicap – which worked out well. With their journey now concluded, it's time for the team to relax and embrace an early vacation.

FINAL SCORE  83-90

Gilas perforfance is really commendable considering how they can rally against strong team internationally. We are just lack of tactics to beat them but we have a pure skills to rival foreign team which is already enough to be proud for our national team. We need to adjust our strategy next time because all enemy team manage to shut down us on 3rd quarter which is a clear sign that something is wrong on our coaching staff.

I like the effort of Renz Abando as being the most defensive player even with his height disadvantage. Coach Chot should utilize him well on 3rd quarter since this is the quarter that we have lousy defense and offense. All other teams that we encounter can setup screen well to create space to the point guard while we can’t do the same since Clarkson and whoever holds the ball always double team without any help which is painful to watch.  I’m not a believer that our coach is the problem before but having same result on all 3 matches without adjustments shows how enemy team know our weakness and that is the lack of adjustment.

Still good game well played.

[rhomelmabini]

The Philippines mounted a remarkable comeback, showing their strength in the 4th quarter. However, they couldn't overcome Italy's strong 3-point shooting, and fell slightly short. Personally, I find their effort commendable, especially since I placed a bet on them with a +12 handicap – which worked out well. With their journey now concluded, it's time for the team to relax and embrace an early vacation.

FINAL SCORE  83-90

That's for sure a good handicap and congratulations on that. They should have used that strength on the early quarters but that three point show by Italy was for sure a letdown to them, that was a fantastic show Italy made. Well, looks like it's the end and hope they learn a lot on it, I commend JC for playing in his country. They likely just not prepared, it really lacks chemistry.

[danherbias07]

The Philippines mounted a remarkable comeback, showing their strength in the 4th quarter. However, they couldn't overcome Italy's strong 3-point shooting, and fell slightly short. Personally, I find their effort commendable, especially since I placed a bet on them with a +12 handicap – which worked out well. With their journey now concluded, it's time for the team to relax and embrace an early vacation.

FINAL SCORE  83-90

Wow. Congratulations bro. I saw that spread too but I was doubting, maybe because of their last game against Angola.
I am glad they performed well tonight but I missed watching their game as I was trying to analyze the other game on the same time, Lithuania versus Montenegro.
It was a good first quarter until the Lithuanians are moving away after the 1st half. First, they were outrebounded by Lithuania, then the magic in shooting of Montenegro is also not working. It actually went the other way as the Lithuanians made it rain 3 pointers.
8 of 17 for Lithuania while 5 of 31 for Montenegro. Just looking at that stats will make you understand why Montenegro lost the game. No one gained a hot hand, every player is missing at where they are good at.

Oh, and France finally won their first and last. Unexpected from them but I bet they will come back stronger.

[blockman]

The Philippines mounted a remarkable comeback, showing their strength in the 4th quarter. However, they couldn't overcome Italy's strong 3-point shooting, and fell slightly short. Personally, I find their effort commendable, especially since I placed a bet on them with a +12 handicap – which worked out well. With their journey now concluded, it's time for the team to relax and embrace an early vacation.

FINAL SCORE  83-90

That's the end of the hope for the 2024 Paris Olympics. This is where the hate is going to come out again, whenever the team losses, we're looking for someone to be blamed. And it is timely that whoever released these talent fees for Kai and Clarkson, I don't know if has got good or bad intentions. I've seen on how much they're paid to play for the national team.
Jordan Clarkson = $1M
Kai = $400k

[Oasisman]

The Philippines mounted a remarkable comeback, showing their strength in the 4th quarter. However, they couldn't overcome Italy's strong 3-point shooting, and fell slightly short. Personally, I find their effort commendable, especially since I placed a bet on them with a +12 handicap – which worked out well. With their journey now concluded, it's time for the team to relax and embrace an early vacation.

FINAL SCORE  83-90

That's the end of the hope for the 2024 Paris Olympics. This is where the hate is going to come out again, whenever the team losses, we're looking for someone to be blamed. And it is timely that whoever released these talent fees for Kai and Clarkson, I don't know if has got good or bad intentions. I've seen on how much they're paid to play for the national team.
Jordan Clarkson = $1M
Kai = $400k

There has been a lot of critics, bashing, and all sorts of negative narrative towards the head coach of the PH team, but these all are actually true. We can blame how the coach handle his team by not being able to maximize the minutes of the players that supposed to be contributing the most to at least get a win out of the 3 games. Secondly, the PH team really has a lack of talent when it comes to the international stage. Kai is clearly over hyped as he was not able to meet the fans' expectation to be competitive.
But, still good job for the PH team for being so competitive despite of all the team issues even before the FIBA have started.

[AHOYBRAUSE]

The Philippines mounted a remarkable comeback, showing their strength in the 4th quarter. However, they couldn't overcome Italy's strong 3-point shooting, and fell slightly short. Personally, I find their effort commendable, especially since I placed a bet on them with a +12 handicap – which worked out well. With their journey now concluded, it's time for the team to relax and embrace an early vacation.

FINAL SCORE  83-90

That's the end of the hope for the 2024 Paris Olympics. This is where the hate is going to come out again, whenever the team losses, we're looking for someone to be blamed. And it is timely that whoever released these talent fees for Kai and Clarkson, I don't know if has got good or bad intentions. I've seen on how much they're paid to play for the national team.
Jordan Clarkson = $1M
Kai = $400k

These guys are getting paid?
In other countries it’s an honor to play for your national team, there would never be any payment. Of course there would be some sort of bonus if you win a medal or something, as a motivation, and the federation pays for insurance ( as requested for example by the NBA) but other than that there is no money involved.

It’s really sad to see that this is actually happening and I guess some other small basketball nations have a similar approach to motivate their stars to play.

[Westinhome]

The Philippines are facing a tough challenge against Italy. Despite being ranked as the top team in this group, Italy suffered a loss to the Dominican Republic. As a result, they now need a victory to secure their spot in the second round. This situation poses a significant challenge for the Philippines. From what I've gathered, the Philippines must win by at least 13 points to advance to the next round. Given these circumstances, it appears that Italy might have the upper hand and could secure an easy win, what are your thoughts?

Italy was the top order team in the FIBA World Cup.Italy already lost to the Dominican Republic in the previous match was big drawback to them in their group.So to keep them in top order,they need to win the Philippines.Philippines was not the huge target for the Italy.Now it seems Italy going to win the match against Philippines.The Dominican Republic already top the Group A,Italy should beat the Philippines and Angola in the upcoming matches.The score between Italy and Philippines was very close win 90-83.Hope the Philippines also get back from the crash.

[blockman]

There has been a lot of critics, bashing, and all sorts of negative narrative towards the head coach of the PH team, but these all are actually true. We can blame how the coach handle his team by not being able to maximize the minutes of the players that supposed to be contributing the most to at least get a win out of the 3 games. Secondly, the PH team really has a lack of talent when it comes to the international stage. Kai is clearly over hyped as he was not able to meet the fans' expectation to be competitive.
But, still good job for the PH team for being so competitive despite of all the team issues even before the FIBA have started.

If it's against the people of the nation then there must be really something new. It's all about his coaching style and words that were expressed on media on how to win. He's always justifying that they don't have to win but to have a learning experience and should also be dependent on other teams to get beaten so that they get the qualifying round base on scoring system. The thing is, they have to win all the games that they play and that's simply as that. His mindset is too poor. He don't have the winning mindset and mentality.

These guys are getting paid?
In other countries it’s an honor to play for your national team, there would never be any payment. Of course there would be some sort of bonus if you win a medal or something, as a motivation, and the federation pays for insurance ( as requested for example by the NBA) but other than that there is no money involved.

It’s really sad to see that this is actually happening and I guess some other small basketball nations have a similar approach to motivate their stars to play.

Yeah, they're paid to play and that's likely what it is. I do understand if they get paid little and they agree to play for the honor. There's like a little amount that even you're not offered to get paid but like a honorarium. But those figures that I have mentioned for our two national players were actually published in a lot of posts in social medias.

[dezoel]

Greece even with Giannis wasn't an elite level team, with him out of the picture they are not even remotely good at all. I think USA is lucky because there doesn't seem to be a generational golden team around these days and USA is usually good enough with their players to win in this case. Normally when you have some good nation that is doing great, like remember 10-15 years ago how Spain was insane and all that, then USA has to bring in their best players.

But, right now it looks like they are not even doing all that great and they are still getting that win because there is no other team that is better against even this version of USA. We may end up seeing them win it, and get the title in the end.

[Dave1]

The Philippines are facing a tough challenge against Italy. Despite being ranked as the top team in this group, Italy suffered a loss to the Dominican Republic. As a result, they now need a victory to secure their spot in the second round. This situation poses a significant challenge for the Philippines. From what I've gathered, the Philippines must win by at least 13 points to advance to the next round. Given these circumstances, it appears that Italy might have the upper hand and could secure an easy win, what are your thoughts?

Italy was the top order team in the FIBA World Cup.Italy already lost to the Dominican Republic in the previous match was big drawback to them in their group.So to keep them in top order,they need to win the Philippines.Philippines was not the huge target for the Italy.Now it seems Italy going to win the match against Philippines.The Dominican Republic already top the Group A,Italy should beat the Philippines and Angola in the upcoming matches.The score between Italy and Philippines was very close win 90-83.Hope the Philippines also get back from the crash.

The outside shooting of the Italians are the key to their victory. It's just bad to see the host nation getting axed and not qualify for the next round. But still though, as we have said, they love basketball and I remember a question on Reaves on the reception he is getting and the local reporter even says that this is a extension of Laker nation as the country has history of Lakers player visiting more than once like Kobe and Lebron.