Portuguese League - Liga Portugal 2023/24

[rdluffy]

This happens a lot, especially in big team games, because small teams play a lot defensively. So big teams have to fight hard to overcome this barrier, which is not always easy. Thus, goals usually come in the last minutes, because small teams are already physically exhausted and are no longer able to defend as well.

Yes, that's a good explanation
In other leagues, like brazilian for example, it doesn't happen as often as it does in Portuguese league
I'm even going to make a table here and mark how many times it happens, and in a few weeks I'll post the result

It's interesting how things happen after 90 minutes, as you said, the bigger teams keep pressing all the time and one moment the smaller teams get exhausted and end up making a mistake.
I also think that the player of the team that is defending relaxes a bit after 90 minutes, thinking that they have already achieved their goal, and then it's the minutes that end up losing the game or conceding a draw

[darkv0rt3x]

I just came here. Didn't even know this was a thing. As I am an SCP fan, I vow for them. However, I enjoyed football/soccer in the past than in current times. I like more Formula 1 and MotoGP championships. Actually, we have a portuguese biker in MotoGP. His name is Miguel Oliveira aka "Falcão" or "Hawk" for english!

[joker_josue]

I just came here. Didn't even know this was a thing. As I am an SCP fan, I vow for them. However, I enjoyed football/soccer in the past than in current times. I like more Formula 1 and MotoGP championships. Actually, we have a portuguese biker in MotoGP. His name is Miguel Oliveira aka "Falcão" or "Hawk" for english!

Welcome to the debate. I am a supporter of SLB, so we will certainly have good debates! 

I think there are some topics about F1 and MotoGP.
MotoGP I've never been much of a follower, but I like having a Portuguese guy there. In the case of F1, I stopped following it a little, as a result of some changes that occurred in the past, I lost a little interest, but I know that things have changed again, and perhaps I will start following it again next season.

[darkv0rt3x]

I just came here. Didn't even know this was a thing. As I am an SCP fan, I vow for them. However, I enjoyed football/soccer in the past than in current times. I like more Formula 1 and MotoGP championships. Actually, we have a portuguese biker in MotoGP. His name is Miguel Oliveira aka "Falcão" or "Hawk" for english!

Welcome to the debate. I am a supporter of SLB, so we will certainly have good debates! 

I think there are some topics about F1 and MotoGP.
MotoGP I've never been much of a follower, but I like having a Portuguese guy there. In the case of F1, I stopped following it a little, as a result of some changes that occurred in the past, I lost a little interest, but I know that things have changed again, and perhaps I will start following it again next season.

Last three F1 seasons it's all about a single driver. He's been winning 3 times i a row. Last weekend he just got his 3rd Championship in a row. It has been less interesting than MotoGP. MotoGP we just seen a lead change this weekend even before the main race in Indonesia. Much more fun to see lead changes than to see the same guy winnining every single weekend!

[joker_josue]

This week, after the break for the national team games, we will have the Portuguese Cup.
As is normal, big clubs will play with clubs at lower levels, which becomes an excellent opportunity for coaches to rotate players.

Therefore, victories are expected from the big clubs, as they will have the following games:

SC Lusitania vs Benfica
Vilar de Perdizes vs FC Porto
Olivais e Moscavide vs Sporting CP

Braga has already played and won: Rebordosa 0-2 Braga

[rdluffy]

This week, after the break for the national team games, we will have the Portuguese Cup.
As is normal, big clubs will play with clubs at lower levels, which becomes an excellent opportunity for coaches to rotate players.

Therefore, victories are expected from the big clubs, as they will have the following games:

SC Lusitania vs Benfica
Vilar de Perdizes vs FC Porto
Olivais e Moscavide vs Sporting CP

Braga has already played and won: Rebordosa 0-2 Braga

Last season, if I remember correctly, I only bet on the Portuguese Cup in the final match, or in the semi-finals and final

And looking at today's odds:

Benfica (1.02)
FC Porto (1.01)
Sporting CP (1.02)

It only worth to place a bet on the number of goals in my opinion
The Benfica match, for example, has Goals Under 4.25 with 1.95 odds, so it might be worth it

[joker_josue]

It only worth to place a bet on the number of goals in my opinion
The Benfica match, for example, has Goals Under 4.25 with 1.95 odds, so it might be worth it

Benfica won 1-4. I needed one more goal to win that bet. 

Sometimes there are suppressions, which in Portugal we call these clubs the "giant tombas". But it's very rare, especially in the first round when big teams play.

[execijutiere]

We haven't seen any surprise results in the cup matches between the favorite teams at the moment. Yesterday Benfica managed to advance to the next round by beating their opponent 4-1 away from home. Of course, the odds for these matches are extremely low, which increases our chances of taking more risks. For example, the odds for a 2 handicap match result were 1.16. Of course, we can think that the favorite teams in cup matches Benfica, Braga, Porto will not get surprising results, but when handicap is involved, sometimes teams do not tend to score many goals.

[Slow death]

It only worth to place a bet on the number of goals in my opinion
The Benfica match, for example, has Goals Under 4.25 with 1.95 odds, so it might be worth it

Benfica won 1-4. I needed one more goal to win that bet. 

Sometimes there are suppressions, which in Portugal we call these clubs the "giant tombas". But it's very rare, especially in the first round when big teams play.

These Portuguese cup games are a big trap, as you said they have very low odds if people bet on the winner, but if the person wants to bet on the over goals market, then the person will lose money, this is because these teams big ones that have a lot of league games, champions league games, they rotate players and focus only on achieving victory in the cup games, even if that means only scoring 1 goal and not having a good performance during the game . That's why I don't place bets on these games.

when the person thinks that as the big team will play against a very small team, for example in the cases of Porto who played against Vilar de Perdizes who are in a weak league in relation to the league that Porto plays in, and Vilar de Perdizes in Their league is not doing well, they are in position 6, and in the last 5 games they have conceded goals in the majority of games, which shows that they are a weak team in defensive terms. With this data, people could make the mistake of betting on the over 2.5 goals market, thinking that Porto would score at least 3 goals in this game.

but the game ended with only 2 goals that Porto scored, meaning whoever bet on over 2.5 goals lost their bet. Braga played against Rebordosa, which is also another weak team and received a red card in the 48th minute of the game, yet all Braga managed to score were 2 goals, with the first goal being in the 1st half when Rebordosa still had 11 players. In other words, whoever bet that there would be more goals in that game, something like over 2.5 goals also lost their bet. Betting on under goals also becomes very complicated. That's why I don't bet on these games

[rdluffy]

These Portuguese cup games are a big trap, as you said they have very low odds if people bet on the winner, but if the person wants to bet on the over goals market, then the person will lose money, this is because these teams big ones that have a lot of league games, champions league games, they rotate players and focus only on achieving victory in the cup games, even if that means only scoring 1 goal and not having a good performance during the game . That's why I don't place bets on these games.

when the person thinks that as the big team will play against a very small team, for example in the cases of Porto who played against Vilar de Perdizes who are in a weak league in relation to the league that Porto plays in, and Vilar de Perdizes in Their league is not doing well, they are in position 6, and in the last 5 games they have conceded goals in the majority of games, which shows that they are a weak team in defensive terms. With this data, people could make the mistake of betting on the over 2.5 goals market, thinking that Porto would score at least 3 goals in this game.

but the game ended with only 2 goals that Porto scored, meaning whoever bet on over 2.5 goals lost their bet. Braga played against Rebordosa, which is also another weak team and received a red card in the 48th minute of the game, yet all Braga managed to score were 2 goals, with the first goal being in the 1st half when Rebordosa still had 11 players. In other words, whoever bet that there would be more goals in that game, something like over 2.5 goals also lost their bet. Betting on under goals also becomes very complicated. That's why I don't bet on these games

It really makes sense
Betting on the number of goals is not my favorite bet. I usually focus on wins and in the Portuguese league I try my best to do the multiples
In Brazil there's a cup similar to this one in which big teams play small teams at first, and often, very often, the small team gets a draw or loses narrowly, 1x0 or 2x0 at most

A safer bet for this cup would be at least under 4.5 goals or even 3.5 goals, depending on the match.

Another important factor is the level of motivation. The smaller teams will try their best to take advantage of the opportunity to beat a bigger team, while the bigger team may save its best players for other leagues (as you already said here)

[joker_josue]

After another week with games in European club competitions, in which only Porto managed to win, we will have another round in the Portuguese championship:

MATCH DAY  9:
^{27.10. 20:15} Arouca vs Moreirense
^{28.10. 15:30} Portimonense vs Estoril
^{28.10. 18:00} Benfica vs Casa Pia
^{28.10. 18:00} Vit. Guimarães vs Chaves
^{28.10. 20:30} Gil Vicente vs Braga
^{29.10. 15:30} Rio Ave vs Farense
^{29.10. 18:00} Estrela Amadora vs Famalicão
^{29.10. 20:30} Vizela vs Porto
^{30.10. 20:15} Boavista vs Sporting
_{Info: day.month. time (Lisbon time)}

[rdluffy]

After another week with games in European club competitions, in which only Porto managed to win, we will have another round in the Portuguese championship:

I was disappointed with Benfica in the Champions League.
They're the current Portuguese champions, they had a great run in the Champions League the previous year, coming top of their group and reaching the quarter-finals, and this year they haven't managed to score a point in 3 games
What do you think?

Regarding the Portuguese championship matches, I'm going to place a multiple bet again
Porto, Benfica and Braga, simple wins, giving odds of 3.18

I'm not going to bet on the Boavista vs Sporting match, I think it's too risky. Sporting are favorites but Boavista will be playing at home, so I'm not confident enough to take the risk

[LTU_btc]

I was missing Primeira Liga already, it returns after quite long time - international break and cup games last week. And we already have one big upset - Benfica game with Casa Pia ended 1:1. It's such kind of game when favorite wasn't able to close game by scoring second goal. And that goal which Benfica conceded was responsibility of goalkeeper Trubin. Ball can't go between legs of goalkeeper from such angle.
Later tonight there interesting game between Gil Vicente and Braga. In recent years Braga never had easy games against this opponent.
EDIT Damn, conditions in Barcelos is such difficult - very heavy rain and so much standing water on the pitch. And Gil Vicente is leading after 30 minutes 1:0.

[rdluffy]

I was missing Primeira Liga already, it returns after quite long time - international break and cup games last week. And we already have one big upset - Benfica game with Casa Pia ended 1:1. It's such kind of game when favorite wasn't able to close game by scoring second goal. And that goal which Benfica conceded was responsibility of goalkeeper Trubin. Ball can't go between legs of goalkeeper from such angle.
Later tonight there interesting game between Gil Vicente and Braga. In recent years Braga never had easy games against this opponent.
EDIT Damn, conditions in Barcelos is such difficult - very heavy rain and so much standing water on the pitch. And Gil Vicente is leading after 30 minutes 1:0.

As I was saying in my post above, I was disappointed with Benfica in the Champions League, as they didn't get any points, and the group they're in isn't the toughest
Does anyone here have any opinions?

It seems that the team has lost a bit of performance, and it's good to try to recover as soon as possible, because probably in this round Sporting will take the first place and Porto can tie in the number of points
Then those lost points could make all the difference at the end of the championship

That Benfica game made me lose the bet I'd made for this round 

[joker_josue]

As I was saying in my post above, I was disappointed with Benfica in the Champions League, as they didn't get any points, and the group they're in isn't the toughest
Does anyone here have any opinions?

Benfica is entering a phase of disorientation. This is something that happens to big teams, almost every year in Portugal. Normally Benfica had these periods closer to the end of the season, and now it is earlier. On the one hand it could be good, as they will probably be stronger in the final and decisive phase of the championship. But it could be bad if they take a long time to recover, as they could move too far away from the top spots.

The coach has to make more radical changes to the team, and not be afraid to bet on lesser-known players. And although Rafa is a good player, he is at that stage where it is best to start being substituted more often, so that the team starts to have a new tactical design.

[Hirose UK]

As I was saying in my post above, I was disappointed with Benfica in the Champions League, as they didn't get any points, and the group they're in isn't the toughest
Does anyone here have any opinions?

Benfica is entering a phase of disorientation. This is something that happens to big teams, almost every year in Portugal. Normally Benfica had these periods closer to the end of the season, and now it is earlier. On the one hand it could be good, as they will probably be stronger in the final and decisive phase of the championship. But it could be bad if they take a long time to recover, as they could move too far away from the top spots.

But this will only make Benfica become stronger in the Portuguese League because for the UCL they don't look that good every season.
I believe for the Portuguese League Benfica can always dominate the league being overtaken by Porto and Sporting CP.
This season they look quite good and managed to occupy the top spot thanks to 7 wins from the 9 matches they played.

The coach has to make more radical changes to the team, and not be afraid to bet on lesser-known players. And although Rafa is a good player, he is at that stage where it is best to start being substituted more often, so that the team starts to have a new tactical design.

Rafa Silva may be potential midfielder for Benfica but as for strikers they don't have a truly great one.
Roger Schmidt must really look for a great striker to increase their strength so they can perform optimally not only for the back line but also the front line.

[joker_josue]

Rafa Silva may be potential midfielder for Benfica but as for strikers they don't have a truly great one.
Roger Schmidt must really look for a great striker to increase their strength so they can perform optimally not only for the back line but also the front line.

Rafa is undoubtedly a good player, but he has 2 problems:
- His performance is somewhat inconsistent, that is, there are phases in which he contributes very little to the team and this ends up harming the group (I'm not saying that's what's happening).
- He will end his contract with Benfica at the end of the season, and everything indicates that he will not renew it.

So, having a somewhat fickle player who will leave the club within a few months does not bring stability to the squad. That's why it would be good to start trying other tactical approaches with other players, to create a more solid squad.

Benfica will no longer make money with Rafa, so even though they want to make the most of his potential, they also have to try to find alternatives now. Doing this will force there to be more healthy competition within the squad to be chosen next.


However, a problem that Benfica has is that it still doesn't have an 11 base, and being in November trying out starters is not good.

[rdluffy]

Benfica is entering a phase of disorientation. This is something that happens to big teams, almost every year in Portugal. Normally Benfica had these periods closer to the end of the season, and now it is earlier. On the one hand it could be good, as they will probably be stronger in the final and decisive phase of the championship. But it could be bad if they take a long time to recover, as they could move too far away from the top spots.

Yes, I understand
Benfica in the previous season, I remember well, dropped off towards the end of the championship, and in the final matches Porto almost reached the number of points, it was very close
Porto had a great final phase while Benfica's performance dropped off towards the end.
Logically, it would be better to lose a few points now than at the end of the championship

Porto won today, so they're with the same number of points of Benfica
Tomorrow Sporting should win and take the lead

I was going to lose my bet anyway hehe, Braga also drew, so I was going to lose one way or another 

[Slow death]

the games from the last round have already ended and I must say that I was quite shocked by the result of Benfica's game against Casa Pia, it was a game in which on paper Benfica was seen as the big favorite despite them becoming a joke in the newspapers and networks social because in the champions league they didn't manage to win any game and didn't score any goals in 3 games, this became a joke in many newspapers and social media, but I expected them to at least in the Portuguese league to do well, but they were a disaster in the game against Casa Pia that they could have lost, it was thanks to their goalkeeper who saved the penalty from the player from Casa Pia, but even with the good defense of the goalkeeper from Casa Pia, Benfica conceded a goal and the game ended in a draw. I must congratulate Casa Pia for the good performance they had in this game

Porto, who also played in this round against Vizela, benefited from a penalty and scored another goal without relying on a penalty, so it was another game in which Porto won without much convincing. With this result, Porto has the same points as Benfica. making the dispute with Benfica become greater, looking at both teams that are not doing well this season it seems to me that it will be a dispute to see which of the two teams will be the least worse, because both are terrible

Sporting will play today and in case of victory they will be at the top of the table with 3 points away from the other teams, which would be very good for Sporting if they want to win the league, the further away they can stay from the other teams, the easier it will be for them to win. the league.

[temple]

As I was saying in my post above, I was disappointed with Benfica in the Champions League, as they didn't get any points, and the group they're in isn't the toughest
Does anyone here have any opinions?

Benfica is entering a phase of disorientation. This is something that happens to big teams, almost every year in Portugal. Normally Benfica had these periods closer to the end of the season, and now it is earlier. On the one hand it could be good, as they will probably be stronger in the final and decisive phase of the championship. But it could be bad if they take a long time to recover, as they could move too far away from the top spots.

The coach has to make more radical changes to the team, and not be afraid to bet on lesser-known players. And although Rafa is a good player, he is at that stage where it is best to start being substituted more often, so that the team starts to have a new tactical design.

Isn't this a really harsh judgment given how Benfica is doing in all competitions? Losing against Inter Milan in Italy is not a shame and teams much better than Benfica would have problems beating Inter in the Champions League. Just take the final against Manchester City. Inter can play like a beat these days.

Now you could say that the game against Real Socieded was one of their worst games this season, yes. And losing that game might have ruined their Champions League season. The game against Salzburg was a catastrophe because of the red card, which was really insane as the ball also came off the cross bar. But it was a justified red card. I would say that Benfica is having a bad time, but they aren't weak. Many situations don't play out in their favor.