Concept of Halal Casino

[klidex]

It looks like clickbait and when I saw this video it actually has nothing to do with Halal gambling but the video is just giving advice about something bad but don't forget about doing good.
I am a Muslim and I am also a gambler even though my religion prohibits gambling or it is considered a sin I still do it even though it looks bad it violates the rules in my religion the most important thing is that my thoughts do not harm other people and also I don't forget to do good to others or give alms to people the less able.
Sin or not, my gambling activity is only Allah who judges and my duty is to do according to destiny, which I have to do well and also help others and also sometimes when I get a win from gambling I buy food which I distribute to neighbors who are underprivileged and even though they are famous. as a gambler but it is my obligation to continue to do good without harming others.

[bittraffic]

It looks like clickbait and when I saw this video it actually has nothing to do with Halal gambling but the video is just giving advice about something bad but don't forget about doing good.
I am a Muslim and I am also a gambler even though my religion prohibits gambling or it is considered a sin I still do it even though it looks bad it violates the rules in my religion the most important thing is that my thoughts do not harm other people and also I don't forget to do good to others or give alms to people the less able.
Sin or not, my gambling activity is only Allah who judges and my duty is to do according to destiny, which I have to do well and also help others and also sometimes when I get a win from gambling I buy food which I distribute to neighbors who are underprivileged and even though they are famous. as a gambler but it is my obligation to continue to do good without harming others.

Basically, he meant that Muslims shouldn't go to casinos all because they have a room for Muslims to pray. It doesn't mean that a casino with a room for Muslims to pray means this casino is a Halal Casino. One Muslim going to a casino is already a sin, and when you gamble that's another sin.

Sometimes they don't feed it like they are explaining it to a kid in order for a man to understand. Listeners sometimes just have to take the hint.

[Hispo]

It looks like clickbait and when I saw this video it actually has nothing to do with Halal gambling but the video is just giving advice about something bad but don't forget about doing good.
I am a Muslim and I am also a gambler even though my religion prohibits gambling or it is considered a sin I still do it even though it looks bad it violates the rules in my religion the most important thing is that my thoughts do not harm other people and also I don't forget to do good to others or give alms to people the less able.
Sin or not, my gambling activity is only Allah who judges and my duty is to do according to destiny, which I have to do well and also help others and also sometimes when I get a win from gambling I buy food which I distribute to neighbors who are underprivileged and even though they are famous. as a gambler but it is my obligation to continue to do good without harming others.

I am curious. You are the first person I have read around here who claims to be a muslin and yet admits to gamble.
I thought that within the Islamic world and nations gambling was not frown upon but also punished by family members or religious authorities themselves. Does it depend on the country you live in?

Because I have seen news through the years about places like Iran, when consuming alcohol and doing other haram actions can lead to sentences of physical punishment in front of the rest of the community. how does it actually work? Are you supposed to gamble in secret?

[tusandii]

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Basically, he meant that Muslims shouldn't go to casinos all because they have a room for Muslims to pray. It doesn't mean that a casino with a room for Muslims to pray means this casino is a Halal Casino. One Muslim going to a casino is already a sin, and when you gamble that's another sin.

Sometimes they don't feed it like they are explaining it to a kid in order for a man to understand. Listeners sometimes just have to take the hint.

There is no connection between prayer services and casinos that are lawful because they have space to pray because in Islam gambling in any form is a sin and is clearly prohibited, there is no teaching in any religion that gives permission to gamble.
Islam is one of the religions with quite strict prohibitions, even in Islam every action has accountability that must be faced by every Muslim.

To be honest, I still don't really understand the meaning or essence of this thread, even though I have watched the videos, but I have not found a clear understanding of the true meaning of the concept of halal casinos.

[acroman08]

Just watch the video and let me know the views about it.

a casino with a prayer area and Halal food is still not Halal. The only way a gambling casino can become Halal for Muslims is if when the religion stops considering gambling as a sin. In the end, he is just making an excuse for a person to consciously commit a sin. A casino with a prayer area and Halal food does not make a casino Halal but it is quite considerate of them to have those things in a casino to accommodate their Muslim gamblers.

[Wiwo]

To be honest, I thought the video was about an Islamic casino or a casino that allows Muslims to gamble because I have seen so many of his videos on other topics and also some short clips from TikTok and his teachings are always good to listen to.

And to see his picture on a casino post really got my attention. Although his post didn’t ponder entirely on casino but I still got something from it, like we shouldn’t discourage one from doing something good even if all they have been doing in their life has been evil. And since gambling is haram we shouldn’t discourage those that partake in it to not doing other holy things because we are all human and we can change for the better and that little good they did could be the catalyst for it.

I agree with you because my first suspense was to see the first Islamic casino since the religion drawn so much on gambling,  but hey this is highly educative since it deals with how individuals deal with their perception and judgment of other,  the speaker was right anyways and this will also lower the so much discrimination against gambling without actually taking time to know it advantage and weaknesses.

The video entirely spoke in line with what my local priest told me in the church today that we should not be too judgemental of people while speaking to them about moralities,  a lot of religious outreach doesn't reach some casinos in my area and sometimes they bypass it deliberately writing them off not knowing that humans are always weak.

[darkangel11]

Just watch the video and let me know the views about it.

a casino with a prayer area and Halal food is still not Halal. The only way a gambling casino can become Halal for Muslims is if when the religion stops considering gambling as a sin. In the end, he is just making an excuse for a person to consciously commit a sin. A casino with a prayer area and Halal food does not make a casino Halal but it is quite considerate of them to have those things in a casino to accommodate their Muslim gamblers.

He does make a point though. You say that the only way for it to be allowed is if the religion considers it legal, but can you really call yourself a religious person if you obey all the rules of that religion but one?
Imagine that you've been a believer all your life and then your church comes up with a nonsense rule that you wouldn't obey, but now you have a dilemma if you should go against that rule and ignore it, obey it, or leave the church completely because you don't like the new rule.

I'm not Muslim and I don't follow these rules, but many people consider themselves Christian, even though they don't follow all the rules of the church. For example, I know many people who aren't married but live together. This is a sin according to the church, but they keep doing it. Many people are only 90% religious and there's something that they do against the rules.

[GxSTxV]

Just like many users here got tricked by the title, I really thought it’s a new Halal Casino or the video you shared was talking about it but no it’s totally a different thing and that Sheikh is only talking moe about islam rules which says that in our religion if you do sin and in our example gambling or even walking into a casino doesn’t mean you are not a muslim or you should stop praying for example. Casinos and gambling are very known things to be Haram in islam so if someone gamble he is doing a sin and he will get punished for that, but doesn’t mean he is considered as a Kafir.
But for a Halal casino i don’t think it’s possible to realize. As this two things are so different since to consider a casino we should involve risking and gambling which something forbidden in Islam and can never be halal.

[CarnagexD]

It sounds to me that they're trying to work around their own beliefs which is just weird to say the least.

Yea if we look at the title alone we could say that they are misleading the public base on there belief but going through the entire video the speaker is actually making some points and it’s not encouraging gambling but rather he is advising those Muslim who already found them self in the means of gambling to not use that as an excuse of not praying because of the surrounding that they finds their self that doing that could be seen as a double sin, anyone who see any Muslim in the means of gambling should not also stop them from praying that they should allow them pray, that everything is done one step at at time, with them doing a little of good thing and praying always that they will have better chances of realizing that they are committing a great sin and are likely to change and come out of the sin over time, But discouraging them and calling them siners won’t help the matter at all, he also gave an instance of those who see people who dress half native that it’s better to advise them to dress decently than telling them to completely remove the cloth since they choose to be naked. I finds his teachings educative rather than weird.

Yes, it is quite misleading and worse could spread misinformation if not read the article fully or even watched the video. Of course, clashing with your cultural or religious beliefs will be difficult. It not only gave you an obligation to change and do the right thing but also to give up what you are doing the wrong thing.

Will you give up your beief instead to gamble? or you'll give up gambling and change and stick with your truth and belief? There is no right and wrong answer because we have different values from different backgrounds. But what I know is living against your moral values is not easy.

[acroman08]

Just watch the video and let me know the views about it.

a casino with a prayer area and Halal food is still not Halal. The only way a gambling casino can become Halal for Muslims is if when the religion stops considering gambling as a sin. In the end, he is just making an excuse for a person to consciously commit a sin. A casino with a prayer area and Halal food does not make a casino Halal but it is quite considerate of them to have those things in a casino to accommodate their Muslim gamblers.

He does make a point though. You say that the only way for it to be allowed is if the religion considers it legal, but can you really call yourself a religious person if you obey all the rules of that religion but one?
Imagine that you've been a believer all your life and then your church comes up with a nonsense rule that you wouldn't obey, but now you have a dilemma if you should go against that rule and ignore it, obey it, or leave the church completely because you don't like the new rule.

I'M not Muslim and I don't follow these rules, but many people consider themselves Christian, even though they don't follow all the rules of the church. For example, I know many people who aren't married but live together. This is a sin according to the church, but they keep doing it. Many people are only 90% religious and there's something that they do against the rules.

I never said that you need to follow all of the rules that religion has. yeah, sure he has a point about not encouraging people to commit more sins after committing one, but his point also encourages people to commit a sin, That is why I said, In the end he is making an excuse for people to consciously commit a sin.

[rahmad2nd]

It sounds to me that they're trying to work around their own beliefs which is just weird to say the least.

Yea if we look at the title alone we could say that they are misleading the public base on there belief but going through the entire video the speaker is actually making some points and it’s not encouraging gambling but rather he is advising those Muslim who already found them self in the means of gambling to not use that as an excuse of not praying because of the surrounding that they finds their self that doing that could be seen as a double sin, anyone who see any Muslim in the means of gambling should not also stop them from praying that they should allow them pray, that everything is done one step at at time, with them doing a little of good thing and praying always that they will have better chances of realizing that they are committing a great sin and are likely to change and come out of the sin over time, But discouraging them and calling them siners won’t help the matter at all, he also gave an instance of those who see people who dress half native that it’s better to advise them to dress decently than telling them to completely remove the cloth since they choose to be naked. I finds his teachings educative rather than weird.

Yes, I watched the whole video and found that the title of this video plus the thumbnail in this video does not match the content presented in the video. This is more like a clickbait title/thumbnail and there is no talk about the legit casino in this video.

The speakers say that if you are doing one bad thing, that should not force you to do many bad things. Rather he is of the point of view that one bad deed should not stop you from doing other good deeds and when you keep on doing good deeds, you will automatically be refrain from doing the bad deeds which you were doing. That's the whole concept that is being explained there.

Which means, it has nothing to do with the theme of the title of this thread isn't it. to be honest, I didn't try to watch the video shared by the OP. because I suspect that the title of this video is just clickbait. that's why, I have no interest in opening it or watching it. because after all, there is no Halal Casino. "referring to references from religion".

Referring to what you said, it seems that the content of the video content actually leads to something that is good in nature. it's just that, it's packed with titles and thumbnails like the screenshot the OP is showing. no problem with that, i think it's fine. but if we discuss about halal casinos. it seems, will only be a debate and will not be endless. the point is, in today's modern era we can use our intellect to examine anything, including the theme of our discussion in this thread.
that's why, it's not good if gambling is associated with religion or belief. because discussions like this, will always end in contradiction. the point is, let's just enjoy it if we really like gambling, especially in the context of entertainment, reflection, relaxation and the like. but if the opposite, stay away and leave. for me, it's that simple.

[BitcoinPanther]

I got what the video wanted to say, he is just stating that it is better to commit one mistake than commit two.  But isn't it hypocrisy when we tend to accept someone to commit a sin and then symphatise with the guys committing the sin because he also follow other belief that convenience him?

A casino that serves Halal Foods and have place for Muslim prayer  is all a business concept for me.  And it is hypocritical that a place service people that made them sin and offer other services within that person's religion's belief.  This is like encouraging the Muslim people to sin telling that it is ok to gamble because they have Halal food and place for prayers.

[BenCodie]

There is a huge demographic that can be covered with this concept however, is it really halal? I highly doubt it, and I believe that a lot of people may just end up violating the rules of their religion if they were to participate in this casino. It's good marketing and a demographic that otherwise would not have been captured, will probably be captured by this if temptation allures them...Does that make the marketing/branding right? I don't think so.

[mirakal]

I was just browsing YouTube and found a video NEW | Halal Casino? - Mufti Menk

Is there any concept of Halal Casino  
By the way Mufti Ismail ibn Musa Menk is an Islamic Scholar from Zimbabwe and also he is leading the fatwa department in that country.

I'm not a muslim but isn't gambling is haram for them? Its a grave sin to them so I don't think there's halal and not halal on that.

Maybe the one running that casino just want to convince muslims to gamble to their casino for profit and they use the halal word so that they can convince muslim that they are safe to commit sin for playing on their casino. Also for those who follow the teaching of Islam will not risk to exchange their faith just to gamble and have short time glory with this casino.

Probably that's the case here. If gambling is a sin for muslims, then I don't think it's allowed for them to create their own gambling platform. So most likely, the image of a muslim here is only being used as a model so that other muslims will also be attracted to gamble. But I don't think this will work as muslims are highly devoted to their religion, and once they start praising casinos, it's like they are putting their own religion and their own race at risk.

[serjent05]

I can't agree more with the reply that states a casino becomes a Halal Casino if the Muslim religions stop treating gambling as a sin.  No matter what other religious activity or belief the casino offers if the establishment itself is considered to be a sin then all these offers are nothing.  This is how the "wicked" twist facts and make people believe that it is okay to use the casino establishment and sin (Muslim belief that gambling is a sin) because they have the standard food for the Muslims and a house of prayer that can accommodate their praying sessions.  

[AmoreJaz]

I can't agree more with the reply that states a casino becomes a Halal Casino if the Muslim religions stop treating gambling as a sin.  No matter what other religious activity or belief the casino offers if the establishment itself is considered to be a sin then all these offers are nothing.  This is how the "wicked" twist facts and make people believe that it is okay to use the casino establishment and sin (Muslim belief that gambling is a sin) because they have the standard food for the Muslims and a house of prayer that can accommodate their praying sessions.  

now, it boils down to what they truly believe in life. halal or not. because it seems they are the ones who can truly identify the halal way of life. now, if they will just label a casino to be halal and play on it. then, it is like being a hypocrite of your own beliefs, right? just to get around about being labeled as non-halal.
at the end of the day they are the ones who can truly know what way of life is halal or not. so either they will live up to it or just making excuses so as not to label by their sins.

[PX-Z]

Probably that's the case here. If gambling is a sin for muslims, then I don't think it's allowed for them to create their own gambling platform.

Yet, some of them gambles, it is even noted that some casinos were built on country where the populations are mostly muslims. Like any other people they will do it regardless of the religion they have although its very risky since some or maybe all muslim (i dont know) countries do arrest muslim that gambles, or even just promoting it^[1].

[1] https://www.nst.com.my/news/crime-courts/2023/06/920865/370-muslim-women-kedah-arrested-promoting-online-gambling-2022

[Slow death]

religion should not be mixed with gambling, unfortunately in some countries the laws were implemented based on religion, and in those countries where there are laws based on religion, they look at women as inferior beings, they look at gambling as a sin , but these same people from these Muslim countries forget that the only one who can judge people is God (according to the bible and the quran if I'm not making a mistake ), so I ask myself: who gave power to someone to become one religious leader in these muslim countries and judging other people? was it god or allāh? then Allāh came and said: Mr X from now on will be my representative on earth

you can judge whoever you want, you can condemn whoever you want, write this down, and from now on it will be the law for everyone, man, let's be honest, who has concrete evidence of that? the answer is simple: no one has proof of anything that comes from religion. let's look at gambling, who created gambling? was it the devil? Do people who are Muslim and forbid gambling have evidence that gambling is impure? If gambling is impure, then the money that comes from oil and gold is also impure. It gets to be very ironic that these leaders of Muslim countries get very rich with the oil they sell to many countries and do not take the money to improve the lives of their people

They take the money to put in their pocket, they kill anyone in their country who goes against the leader, so I ask myself: do these leaders of Muslim countries have what morality to criticize something? unfortunately people are deceived, religion is just a means to manipulate and deceive people. it has nothing to do with gambling, as long as each person is responsible and has self-control, people should be free to choose what they want to do

[Renampun]

I was just browsing YouTube and found a video NEW | Halal Casino? - Mufti Menk

Is there any concept of Halal Casino  
By the way Mufti Ismail ibn Musa Menk is an Islamic Scholar from Zimbabwe and also he is leading the fatwa department in that country.

Just watch the video and let me know the views about it.

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Halal casinos will never be accepted and will never appear, that's all because influential Muslim leaders will prohibit any casino from using the halal label because as far as I know for Muslims gambling is haram because it contains usury and also the taking of other people's money unscrupulously.

I even found an article that said about how the scholars in Saudi Arabia balked at all forms of card games or competitions,

Baloot is a trick card game that is popular in the Gulf countries, especially in Saudi Arabia. The game bears similarities to the French card game Belote.

2018 was the first year that an official card game tournament was held in Saudi Arabia. The tournament was attended by around 12,000 people with a total prize pool of one million riyals for the four best teams.

In his opening speech, senior cleric Sheikh Adel al-Kalbani attended the event as a move by the Saudi government to quell criticism from conservatives who banned card and chess games even though they do not contain gambling. Gambling law in Saudi Arabia is illegal.

The article above shows that whenever the halal label will not be recognized if a casino uses it, if you are determined to use the halal label in a casino then the consequences will be big for the owner of the casino business.

[wiss19]

Did you not watch the video yourself before posting it here? Because if you do, he explains everything very clearly, and at no point in the video, he says anything about a halal casino. What he talked about in the video about casinos was that there are some regions where you can get halal food and even praying places inside the casinos, so some people say that when you are gambling, you are already sinful so you shouldn't care about halal food or praying as well.

So he explains that it is a very wrong concept where a person thinks that if he is committing one sin, he should commit other sins too but one should at least try to reduce the sins they are committing. So even if a person is gambling, he should eat food that is haram or should skip his prayers.