Concept of Halal Casino

[ethereumhunter]

Did you not watch the video yourself before posting it here? Because if you do, he explains everything very clearly, and at no point in the video, he says anything about a halal casino. What he talked about in the video about casinos was that there are some regions where you can get halal food and even praying places inside the casinos, so some people say that when you are gambling, you are already sinful so you shouldn't care about halal food or praying as well.

So he explains that it is a very wrong concept where a person thinks that if he is committing one sin, he should commit other sins too but one should at least try to reduce the sins they are committing. So even if a person is gambling, he should eat food that is haram or should skip his prayers.

And because he has done something haram, it doesn't mean he can't do something halal. He has to do many halal things to do less haram. It takes time until eventually he can get enlightenment from God, who can make him aware of halal and haram. He can also understand that what he has been doing until now is still doing many things that are haram, so he has to stop doing what is haram and start doing halal things. And that is an effort to reduce the sins he has committed.

[Webetcoins]

Ridiculous, gambling is obviously haram, even a conventional bank which only give interest rate from their operational income are considered as haram too. The only way gambling is halal in Islam is you're not put anything to bet, but you're play the game or make a guess with your opponent. But we've discuss it before where gambling without risking anything isn't a gambling.

Maybe in your jurisdiction only or in your religion, but to the most part, it was Halal or legal. The main aim of gambling is only to provide a unique entertainment experience and the real money (bets) placed by us can only be considered as service fee. There is nothing wrong with that. Also a gambling company can comply to the law or the government by paying a tax and follow their other orders like implementing a KYC. It's just that many people losses their control and starts to gamble inappropriately.

This why some thinks that gambling is bad and should be avoided at all cost. Banks on the other hand are I think also not Haram. Their main aim is for storing money only, and not a form of investment. No wonder why the returns given by them are only small but it's better than nothing. At least they are still generous to give something.

[tjtonmoy]

This is nor a concept of hala casino. I mean, if things that are there are halal, that does not mean that gambling there should be halal too. He's just pointing out that even if a person is bad, there's still good in him. If we focus only on the bad things and treat him based on that, he will most likely give up on the good things too. That's way too dangerous.
This also doesn't mean that as a Muslim you should start gambling and think that one day you will get rid of it and ask for mercy from Allah. Doing something bad knowing it's bad will create more sims that doing it unknowingly. And if someone is doing a bad thing while also doing some good things, we should focus on their good things and encourage them on that.

But don't entirely support their bad deeds, either. Ask them time to time for them to leave those bad things.

[paxmao]

Ridiculous, gambling is obviously haram, even a conventional bank which only give interest rate from their operational income are considered as haram too. The only way gambling is halal in Islam is you're not put anything to bet, but you're play the game or make a guess with your opponent. But we've discuss it before where gambling without risking anything isn't a gambling.

Maybe in your jurisdiction only or in your religion, but to the most part, it was Halal or legal. The main aim of gambling is only to provide a unique entertainment experience and the real money (bets) placed by us can only be considered as service fee. There is nothing wrong with that. Also a gambling company can comply to the law or the government by paying a tax and follow their other orders like implementing a KYC. It's just that many people losses their control and starts to gamble inappropriately.

This why some thinks that gambling is bad and should be avoided at all cost. Banks on the other hand are I think also not Haram. Their main aim is for storing money only, and not a form of investment. No wonder why the returns given by them are only small but it's better than nothing. At least they are still generous to give something.

Gambling is seen as a no-no in most religions, as it can be seen as an ungodly entertainment, tempting the gods and for Monotheistic religions, well... it is just too much fun and fun takes you apart from fear including fear of death and fear of God so it is never going to be looked in a good light. However it has been rarely prohibited ever, so I guess not halal, not haram, a sin yes, but a minor one.

[TimeTeller]

Did you not watch the video yourself before posting it here? Because if you do, he explains everything very clearly, and at no point in the video, he says anything about a halal casino. What he talked about in the video about casinos was that there are some regions where you can get halal food and even praying places inside the casinos, so some people say that when you are gambling, you are already sinful so you shouldn't care about halal food or praying as well.

So he explains that it is a very wrong concept where a person thinks that if he is committing one sin, he should commit other sins too but one should at least try to reduce the sins they are committing. So even if a person is gambling, he should eat food that is haram or should skip his prayers.

Maybe people are saying different things here because the title of the OP is misleading if they haven't watched the video itself.
When it comes to this practice, it entirely depends on the person if he believes on this concept or not, or if he wants to live up to this belief.
If he wants to be loyal to his religion, he will do things that he thinks is necessary to reduce the supposedly "sins" he will commit upon entering a casino.
Just like mentioned, at least eat food that is halal or pray. Whatever he chooses, depends on the person himself as you can't enforce such practice to any Muslim or person. Respect is needed and the important thing is you don't step on anyone's toes.

[macson]

I was just browsing YouTube and found a video NEW | Halal Casino? - Mufti Menk

Is there any concept of Halal Casino  
By the way Mufti Ismail ibn Musa Menk is an Islamic Scholar from Zimbabwe and also he is leading the fatwa department in that country.

Just watch the video and let me know the views about it.

The title of this topic really makes me a little amused, if we want to change halal or haram according to Muslim beliefs then we have to go back to the past, haha... anyway we have to respect those who adhere to the Muslim religion, for them gambling will always be haram ^{(never halal)} and the target market for gambling is not Muslims but those who really have a big interest in gambling, especially in countries where gambling is legal, therefore i do not agree with imposing halal concepts or labels on casinos.

[lionheart78]

Since Halal is all about dietary law derived from Islamic teaching[1], it is possible to have a concept of a Halal Casino even though a Casino is a place considered to be haram.  A discussion of a haram place (casino) to be halal is all about the food served in that place.  It is feasible and realistic that a casino can serve Halal-approved foods since eating has no relation to gambling activities.  So as the video is saying, gambling is one sin, and eating non-Halal-approved food is another sin. Serving Muslim gamblers with halal food in a casino prevents them from committing another sin. Although this is all about business,  committing one sin sounds much better than committing 2 sins but all in all it is much better if there is no sin committed and Muslims should follow their Islamic teaching and avoid gambling places.

[1] https://www.webmd.com/food-recipes/what-is-halal

[TastyChillySauce00]

The title of this topic really makes me a little amused, if we want to change halal or haram according to Muslim beliefs then we have to go back to the past, haha... anyway we have to respect those who adhere to the Muslim religion, for them gambling will always be haram ^{(never halal)} and the target market for gambling is not Muslims but those who really have a big interest in gambling, especially in countries where gambling is legal, therefore i do not agree with imposing halal concepts or labels on casinos.

It's really sensitive topic. This topic has a very strong relationship to the muslim. AFAIK everything related to the casino was not allowed in the islamic religion. We shall just stay away from discussing this topic as it will be a never ending discussion discussing about something that doesn't allowed in their religions but keep forcing to allow everything based on their personal idealism. The only thing that i know if casino will never be allowed for muslim.

The video was only discussing about another thing. It seems like that the title was misleading people. It's pretty much like a click bait strategy by the creator of video.

[Rabata]

I have not been able to watch the entire video but from what I know gambling is prohibited for those who are Muslims. If there is a scholar who says that gambling is halal, I don't know how logical it is. However, the video may not directly mention gambling as halal. Even no Muslim calls it halal. If someone tries to call it halal then it will make a big difference with the thought. Since it is a matter of religion, one should not comment on any subject directly without knowing it. But as far as I know it will never be halal for Muslims.

[so98nn]

I dont understand this at all. So if I am going into the market and buying something with my money and getting back something of the same value is also a crime or something? Why is that not a non halal thing? Why is gambling your money is non halal now? So how do you make it halal? By spending money but not getting back anything.

I don't want to make any comment on the concept because it is way confusing than understand how black hole exists or how e=mc2 works! If in your religion it is not allowed to gamble with your money then there is no way you can gamble it. You can not just come up with an idea of halal casino just to make sure that you can play on that casino by keeping your purity or whatever you call it in your religion.

It's either allowed or it's not allowed! There is no middle way, otherwise this is not the culture that was made thousands or millions of years ago.

[arwin100]

The title of this topic really makes me a little amused, if we want to change halal or haram according to Muslim beliefs then we have to go back to the past, haha... anyway we have to respect those who adhere to the Muslim religion, for them gambling will always be haram ^{(never halal)} and the target market for gambling is not Muslims but those who really have a big interest in gambling, especially in countries where gambling is legal, therefore i do not agree with imposing halal concepts or labels on casinos.

It's really sensitive topic. This topic has a very strong relationship to the muslim. AFAIK everything related to the casino was not allowed in the islamic religion. We shall just stay away from discussing this topic as it will be a never ending discussion discussing about something that doesn't allowed in their religions but keep forcing to allow everything based on their personal idealism. The only thing that i know if casino will never be allowed for muslim.

The video was only discussing about another thing. It seems like that the title was misleading people. It's pretty much like a click bait strategy by the creator of video.

Maybe they want to insert the idea about possible betting in halal way but if you think about it more deeply its still betting so there's no way that it will be good in any form since gambling still a sin on Islam religion. I know many muslim doesn't follow this order and hide their activity to their relative but for clearly exposing this activity much better if they will not participate on any of it in public to avoid any trouble since for sure their are extreme followers criticize them for this activities.

[Nothingtodo]

I was just browsing YouTube and found a video NEW | Halal Casino? - Mufti Menk

Is there any concept of Halal Casino  
By the way Mufti Ismail ibn Musa Menk is an Islamic Scholar from Zimbabwe and also he is leading the fatwa department in that country.

Just watch the video and let me know the views about it.

All forms of gambling and casino are totally prohibited by the Quran and Sunnah and termed as haram acts. But here the statement made by a mufti on halal casino is undoubtedly dismissive. Because according to Islamic law, gambling and casino can never be legal in the life of Muslims. Many people in the world may say many things or issue proclamations but Muslims will never accept Fatwa against Quran and Hadith.

[Hispo]

I dont understand this at all. So if I am going into the market and buying something with my money and getting back something of the same value is also a crime or something? Why is that not a non halal thing? Why is gambling your money is non halal now? So how do you make it halal? By spending money but not getting back anything.

I don't want to make any comment on the concept because it is way confusing than understand how black hole exists or how e=mc2 works! If in your religion it is not allowed to gamble with your money then there is no way you can gamble it. You can not just come up with an idea of halal casino just to make sure that you can play on that casino by keeping your purity or whatever you call it in your religion.

It's either allowed or it's not allowed! There is no middle way, otherwise this is not the culture that was made thousands or millions of years ago.

Within the Islamic community, there has been some movements towards finding ways to practice things which were not possible in previous centuries, Halal banking is a good example of it.

Muslims cannot charge for interest, but they managed to start banks and instead apply interest to their clients for loans, they simply call it with s different name like "fees for service* and does not apply in a percentage. So they can do banking and not be haram.

I would not be surprised if some of them are trying to apply the same principle to casinos somewhere, do they can glamble and still not to commit a sin in the eyes of Allah.

[Reatim]

I was just browsing YouTube and found a video NEW | Halal Casino? - Mufti Menk

Is there any concept of Halal Casino  
By the way Mufti Ismail ibn Musa Menk is an Islamic Scholar from Zimbabwe and also he is leading the fatwa department in that country.

Just watch the video and let me know the views about it.

All forms of gambling and casino are totally prohibited by the Quran and Sunnah and termed as haram acts. But here the statement made by a mufti on halal casino is undoubtedly dismissive. Because according to Islamic law, gambling and casino can never be legal in the life of Muslims. Many people in the world may say many things or issue proclamations but Muslims will never accept Fatwa against Quran and Hadith.

I believe that you are also Muslim as it is obvious in how you commented this one and truly I respect that mate , because for me in some sense , I wanted also gambling to be prohibited as nowadays gambling is not a source of happiness but of Money and risk.
in which becoming addiction for many people.
respect all muslim actually .

[piebeyb]

I believe that you are also Muslim as it is obvious in how you commented this one and truly I respect that mate , because for me in some sense , I wanted also gambling to be prohibited as nowadays gambling is not a source of happiness but of Money and risk.
in which becoming addiction for many people.
respect all muslim actually .

Yes, I think we also need to respect other Muslim friends, after all, this video doesn't actually reveal anything about halal gambling, but only an explanation while the title is just click bait, I think we understand now that gambling is strictly prohibited by Muslims, so why share something that is prohibited in their religion, gambling and religion should be separated in this forum.

To be honest, religion and gambling in this forum are not worth discussing because I know that the two are contradictory and conflicting, I also have a friend who is a devout Muslim, that is why I have never asked him to gamble because he knows that gambling is strictly prohibited by his religion. I didn't watch this video until it's finished but it really seems like we have to respect other Muslim friends.

[Mr. Magkaisa]

     -   Gambling for Muslims is a grave sin or forbidden. The only thing I don't understand is, What is the connection between halal and a casino? This is because it is said in their Quran that gambling is really forbidden. But why does it seem like it's okay here and it's not a sin anymore? Why, because that casino is halal-approved? Isn't this still a form of gambling if I look at it literally?

Doesn't it seem like they are also destroying their own beliefs or teachings for Muslims? But that's what they believe anyway, and I respect that, and that's what should be done.

[jordanw21]

     -   Gambling for Muslims is a grave sin or forbidden. The only thing I don't understand is, What is the connection between halal and a casino? This is because it is said in their Quran that gambling is really forbidden. But why does it seem like it's okay here and it's not a sin anymore? Why, because that casino is halal-approved? Isn't this still a form of gambling if I look at it literally?

Doesn't it seem like they are also destroying their own beliefs or teachings for Muslims? But that's what they believe anyway, and I respect that, and that's what should be done.

I guess it could be kinda marketing trick to get non-Islamic players into a casino, as the word "Halal" means "tested, quality guaranteed" for some people.

[macson]

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It's really sensitive topic. This topic has a very strong relationship to the muslim. AFAIK everything related to the casino was not allowed in the islamic religion. We shall just stay away from discussing this topic as it will be a never ending discussion discussing about something that doesn't allowed in their religions but keep forcing to allow everything based on their personal idealism. The only thing that i know if casino will never be allowed for muslim.

The video was only discussing about another thing. It seems like that the title was misleading people. It's pretty much like a click bait strategy by the creator of video.

Maybe they want to insert the idea about possible betting in halal way but if you think about it more deeply its still betting so there's no way that it will be good in any form since gambling still a sin on Islam religion. I know many muslim doesn't follow this order and hide their activity to their relative but for clearly exposing this activity much better if they will not participate on any of it in public to avoid any trouble since for sure their are extreme followers criticize them for this activities.

@aubert you are absolutely right, this topic is very sensitive, we cannot intervene in other people's religions, protecting other people's feelings is very important and i am sure that there are quite a lot of members here who are various Muslims and will definitely be sensitive to discussions that are actually not important ^{(i support we have to stop it)}
Whatever your religion, gambling is a personal freedom, but you don't need to reveal it to the public because there are still many people out there who will label you as someone who is not diverse ^{(especially those who are anti-gambling)}, gamble responsibly, and consider it as entertainment.

[yudi09]

I was just browsing YouTube and found a video NEW | Halal Casino? - Mufti Menk

Is there any concept of Halal Casino  
By the way Mufti Ismail ibn Musa Menk is an Islamic Scholar from Zimbabwe and also he is leading the fatwa department in that country.

Just watch the video and let me know the views about it.

The title of the video contains a question mark, there is a possibility that the Mufti Menk's video intends to invite discussion or try to explain well to the audience about the notion of gambling if I'm not mistaken because I don't understand the language of the video.

In Islam, gambling is something that is prohibited by law. Something that is prohibited by the law of sin because there is something that can have a bad impact on the perpetrator. I think about gambling is very clear in Islam.
If there are still gamblers who are Muslim, it is not the Islam that is at issue but the person.

Every religion does not teach bad things.

[Pandu Geddon]

Is there any concept of Halal Casino  

Actually, we don't need to include religious elements in gambling. because I don't think it's only certain religions that prohibit gambling. All religions teach goodness, not just Islam.
and for Muslims, gambling is still not halal. whatever the concept, if it was still in the form of a game with stakes, people would call it gambling.

smart people are now trying to come up with their own theories. Even the current banking system, which is also considered haram, now has a Sharia-based banking system. after there is a halal casino claim, maybe there will also be a Sharia-based casino.