Concept of Halal Casino

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Just watch the video and let me know the views about it.

Dear OP,

I know you are a Muslim. This thread's title and the content do not match at all. I watched the video as well. The person did not say anything about the halal casino there. He just said that some casino players are Muslim, and those casinos have a dedicated place for them to pray. A Casino has a dedicated place for prayer that does not make it halal.

I don't know why you decided to use such a title, but it's misleading people, especially non-muslims who did not even watch the video. They might think we are trying to make it Halal or the person in Video tried to make it Halal. I would request you to change the title of this thread.

[Tipstar]

Muslims have been selectively interpreting the book of Quran for ages. Alcohol and Gambling had been a part of the muslim world and is still popular among some sects.

They ask you about wine (khamr) and gambling. Say, "In them is great sin and [yet, some] benefit for people. But their sin is greater than their benefit." Quran 2:219

Quran does accept the presence of alcohol and gambling and accepts it benefit some people. But in general says "sin is greater than their benefit"
So it doesn't outright ban it.
It's an accepted fact that compulsive gambling and compulsive alcoholism is bad. No one in sane mind would call them a good thing.
But a bit of gambling with small part of your earnings and a few pegs of alcohol after a busy day work would be fine.
Even if you believe your religious text prescribes gambling as a sin, you should realize that even if you commit some small sins,

Indeed, Allah forgives all sins. Indeed He is the most Forgiving, the Merciful (Quran 39:53).

[Hispo]

If I'm not mistaken, and correct me if I'm wrong on this, isn't gambling itself considered haram in Islam? So how are they going to present a halal casino when the very concept of a casino is to offer gambling services? I couldn't wrap my head around the concept. If they are just offering a prayer place inside the casino premises, isn't that spitting at the face of this holy religion that people all over the world are following? It's an equivalent of blasphemy in christianity if you'll ask me since it's defiling the very symbol/concept of your religion. Plus there's no way this isn't already getting enough flak from the devout Muslim community considering how dedicated they are at following their teachings, to introduce something so radical and nonsensical even is a little over to them if I'm going to be honest.

It is marketing after all. So everything is possible for the sake of getting people into the World of Gambling and Sportbetting.

Just think about it, Islam is one of the biggest religions on the planet, which would mean an important percentage of potential clients and gamblers are kept outside casino by their personal belief, if someone managed to reform the teachings of their religion somehow so allow people to wager money,.it would translate into billions of dollars in revenue from Muslim people alone, I am not saying it is a good or bad thing, by the way, just stating  what probable some casino owners in Asia and the middle East think of.

I think no matter how great the marketing of a casino is, it won't affect the teaching of Islam, only a half baked believer will think that it is a good news but those who understand the teachings of Islamic Religion would never fall into that trap.

But then again, as it is business, I agree that they wanted to lure people into believing that their casino is way better than other casino since they are serving Halal food and a place for prayers.  This kind of strategy would be at least a good approach to those Muslims who are into gambling activities.

It may be also go beyond marketing, to be honest. For casinos and even banks to be considered halal they would need to study and interpret themselves the Koran, so they can find a solution.

For example, what if a casino tried to make their activities less dependant on luck to lean towards player skills against other players in P2P games. The administration could charge a fixed fee for each match and since it is not completely about luck and randomness, some people who are muslin could consider it not to be gambling, but something different, of course the trick is for casinos to find a fun and engaging solution people of faith may be willing to try.

It makes me think of other realigions and sects have always tended towards being more lax on their dietary and behavioral rules through time.

[Reatim]

The concept is explained as "in a casino, a gambler can still pray, they provide a place of worship for Muslims who gamble. That is, this concept is not the concept of a halal casino. But, it only provides prayer facilities for a Muslim. Well, if that's just a concept in the building , it's fine, as advertising, but it might hurt Muslim people who don't like gambling.

isn't same concept as what they try to elaborate ? is it our Muslim Brother who are in by chance is in questioned here.
because if the casino has a muslim gambler then it is the topic that they have provided a place to pray.
and yes if it is prohibited or not?
but anyway , I respect every  Muslim brothers, and support their stand and belief in life.

[dezoel]

Within the Islamic community, there has been some movements towards finding ways to practice things which were not possible in previous centuries, Halal banking is a good example of it.

Muslims cannot charge for interest, but they managed to start banks and instead apply interest to their clients for loans, they simply call it with s different name like "fees for service* and does not apply in a percentage. So they can do banking and not be haram.

I would not be surprised if some of them are trying to apply the same principle to casinos somewhere, do they can glamble and still not to commit a sin in the eyes of Allah.

There is absolutely no concept like that in Islam where a Muslim can gamble and not be sinful because it is completely prohibited, banking is a totally different thing because, in banking, one doesn't have to be sinful other than if they take a loan and pay interest on that because interest-based loans are also prohibited in Islam and you cannot take a loan and pay extra money on top of that because you will be committing a sin if you are doing that.

So, there is basically no concept of a halal casino anywhere in the world and the video that OP shared doesn't say anything like that, it only explains that a person who is committing one sin isn't supposed to commit another sin thinking that they are already sinful so what's the point of being careful now.

[kotajikikox]

/// but also an obvious attempt of trying to justify something that they should not be doing.

It's true that what is wrong should not be justified or distorted. I am not a Muslim, but I believe that the teachings from the church and the Bible have specific meanings and should not be interpreted differently. Not everyone is highly educated, which is why a straightforward interpretation can be easily understood. What would happen if actions that were originally declared as sins were justified as 'okay'? 'Okay' can be subjective and may not always align with what is right or wrong. I think there should be clear distinctions between right and wrong.

actually this is a topic that has never ending or have no ending because different religion will give different interpretation .
maybe let us Muslim brothers answers this as they are the one who knows what is good and better to deal with this.
as they are also the one who has that teaching and should follow according to their beliefs .

[arwin100]

The concept is explained as "in a casino, a gambler can still pray, they provide a place of worship for Muslims who gamble. That is, this concept is not the concept of a halal casino. But, it only provides prayer facilities for a Muslim. Well, if that's just a concept in the building , it's fine, as advertising, but it might hurt Muslim people who don't like gambling.

isn't same concept as what they try to elaborate ? is it our Muslim Brother who are in by chance is in questioned here.
because if the casino has a muslim gambler then it is the topic that they have provided a place to pray.
and yes if it is prohibited or not?
but anyway , I respect every  Muslim brothers, and support their stand and belief in life.

Still no sense at all if they pray and still commit a sin after they play on a what so called halal casino and I don't really get the point about trying to rise up a same like concept since at the end of the day gambling still consider as a big sin on their religion. That's why I have huge respect to our muslim brothers since they usually follow what is prohibited to them and also their sacrifices to follow what is good on their religion and their beliefs.

[rozak]

/// but also an obvious attempt of trying to justify something that they should not be doing.

It's true that what is wrong should not be justified or distorted. I am not a Muslim, but I believe that the teachings from the church and the Bible have specific meanings and should not be interpreted differently. Not everyone is highly educated, which is why a straightforward interpretation can be easily understood. What would happen if actions that were originally declared as sins were justified as 'okay'? 'Okay' can be subjective and may not always align with what is right or wrong. I think there should be clear distinctions between right and wrong.

We cannot change our religious views towards something that is wrong and then becomes justified. if it is wrong in religious law, then it will still be wrong.
the problem is the religious level of each person is different. those who understand well the laws of their religion that regulate gambling as a wrong activity, then they will definitely avoid it.
but for those who have a less good religious understanding. may still be making justifications regarding gambling activity. All we have to ask ourselves. and we will find the answer that we have to do.

[paxmao]

/// but also an obvious attempt of trying to justify something that they should not be doing.

It's true that what is wrong should not be justified or distorted. I am not a Muslim, but I believe that the teachings from the church and the Bible have specific meanings and should not be interpreted differently. Not everyone is highly educated, which is why a straightforward interpretation can be easily understood. What would happen if actions that were originally declared as sins were justified as 'okay'? 'Okay' can be subjective and may not always align with what is right or wrong. I think there should be clear distinctions between right and wrong.

I think that what is not allowed is bit dependent on interpretation. I not a Muslim either but it would seem that anything that is not specifically forbidden or "frowned upon" is subject to whatever the religious branch or group decides and that decision is mostly taken by the religious leaders that are trusted in that community or somehow are legally in power which may not be the same.

Gambling is one of those things that could be from banned to actually being ok as "God" may "bless with luck his chosen".

[coinerer]

I was just browsing YouTube and found a video NEW | Halal Casino? - Mufti Menk
Is there any concept of Halal Casino  
By the way Mufti Ismail ibn Musa Menk is an Islamic Scholar from Zimbabwe and also he is leading the fatwa department in that country.

Just watch the video and let me know the views about it.

Casino is casino it is always haram for muslims. Casino is a form of gambling and Muslim religion never considers gambling as halal. I don't know how he calls casino halal and how he found halal casino. They seem like complete scams. I am really shocked by this   From what I know of Islam I would never believe that casinos could ever be halal

[pawanjain]

/// but also an obvious attempt of trying to justify something that they should not be doing.

It's true that what is wrong should not be justified or distorted. I am not a Muslim, but I believe that the teachings from the church and the Bible have specific meanings and should not be interpreted differently. Not everyone is highly educated, which is why a straightforward interpretation can be easily understood. What would happen if actions that were originally declared as sins were justified as 'okay'? 'Okay' can be subjective and may not always align with what is right or wrong. I think there should be clear distinctions between right and wrong.

Very well said mate. The fact is that there are many people who portrays certain quotes from their religion and convey it's meaning in a different form.
They completely change the actual meaning behind the context of the quote and interpret wrong information for their own benefits.
As mentioned in the video in OP, one sin shouldn't be the gateway to other sins. People should educate themselves and understand what their religion truly convey.
Each religion has it's own beauty and beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder.

[Yatsan]

/// but also an obvious attempt of trying to justify something that they should not be doing.

It's true that what is wrong should not be justified or distorted. I am not a Muslim, but I believe that the teachings from the church and the Bible have specific meanings and should not be interpreted differently. Not everyone is highly educated, which is why a straightforward interpretation can be easily understood. What would happen if actions that were originally declared as sins were justified as 'okay'? 'Okay' can be subjective and may not always align with what is right or wrong. I think there should be clear distinctions between right and wrong.

Very well said mate. The fact is that there are many people who portrays certain quotes from their religion and convey it's meaning in a different form.
They completely change the actual meaning behind the context of the quote and interpret wrong information for their own benefits.
As mentioned in the video in OP, one sin shouldn't be the gateway to other sins. People should educate themselves and understand what their religion truly convey.
Each religion has it's own beauty and beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder.

Religion and personal beliefs should be separrated from this activity. Most of the people here in this industry belongs to a religion and culture but why are we still here if the concept itself of gambling is in contrast with the teachings of a religion? Simply because we are not linking these two concepts and which is why words associated to a religion should not also be mentioned in any way especially for personal gain 'coz you are simply fooling yourself and making fun of other's tradition and culture. Let gambling be gambling, that's it and no other colors of polictics and religious beliefs.

For sure few people would only fall in this scheme. Also, they should be sensitive enough to know it in a single glance. Let us not make the inage of this industry worse.

[jostorres]

Did you not watch the video yourself before posting it here? Because if you do, he explains everything very clearly, and at no point in the video, he says anything about a halal casino. What he talked about in the video about casinos was that there are some regions where you can get halal food and even praying places inside the casinos, so some people say that when you are gambling, you are already sinful so you shouldn't care about halal food or praying as well.

So he explains that it is a very wrong concept where a person thinks that if he is committing one sin, he should commit other sins too but one should at least try to reduce the sins they are committing. So even if a person is gambling, he should eat food that is haram or should skip his prayers.

And because he has done something haram, it doesn't mean he can't do something halal. He has to do many halal things to do less haram. It takes time until eventually he can get enlightenment from God, who can make him aware of halal and haram. He can also understand that what he has been doing until now is still doing many things that are haram, so he has to stop doing what is haram and start doing halal things. And that is an effort to reduce the sins he has committed.

That is exactly what Mufti Menk is trying to explain in the video. He says that a casino providing halal food or a place for prayer is not a bad thing at all because if a Muslim is gambling at that casino, he might also offer his prayers on time and we are no one to actually judge someone based on his actions because that who will judge them has the ability to see through their heart and mind and understand what they do and what they want to do.

A person who is committing a sin or something that is forbidden by their religion, doesn't need to think that if they are committing one sin, there is no use in doing things that will earn them virtues because it is not our job to decide that but we just need to make sure that we are doing more and more good things.

[chigo]

Just watch the video and let me know the views about it.

Dear OP,

I know you are a Muslim. This thread's title and the content do not match at all. I watched the video as well. The person did not say anything about the halal casino there. He just said that some casino players are Muslim, and those casinos have a dedicated place for them to pray. A Casino has a dedicated place for prayer that does not make it halal.

I don't know why you decided to use such a title, but it's misleading people, especially non-muslims who did not even watch the video. They might think we are trying to make it Halal or the person in Video tried to make it Halal. I would request you to change the title of this thread.

I think there is no problem with the title of this topic because discussion of the concept of halal gambling will never be accepted at all, I also watched the video and for now all religions and races know and play gambling.

[milewilda]

/// but also an obvious attempt of trying to justify something that they should not be doing.

It's true that what is wrong should not be justified or distorted. I am not a Muslim, but I believe that the teachings from the church and the Bible have specific meanings and should not be interpreted differently. Not everyone is highly educated, which is why a straightforward interpretation can be easily understood. What would happen if actions that were originally declared as sins were justified as 'okay'? 'Okay' can be subjective and may not always align with what is right or wrong. I think there should be clear distinctions between right and wrong.

Very well said mate. The fact is that there are many people who portrays certain quotes from their religion and convey it's meaning in a different form.
They completely change the actual meaning behind the context of the quote and interpret wrong information for their own benefits.
As mentioned in the video in OP, one sin shouldn't be the gateway to other sins. People should educate themselves and understand what their religion truly convey.
Each religion has it's own beauty and beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder.

Religion and personal beliefs should be separrated from this activity. Most of the people here in this industry belongs to a religion and culture but why are we still here if the concept itself of gambling is in contrast with the teachings of a religion? Simply because we are not linking these two concepts and which is why words associated to a religion should not also be mentioned in any way especially for personal gain 'coz you are simply fooling yourself and making fun of other's tradition and culture. Let gambling be gambling, that's it and no other colors of polictics and religious beliefs.

For sure few people would only fall in this scheme. Also, they should be sensitive enough to know it in a single glance. Let us not make the inage of this industry worse.

I did make out some search if Gambling is really that allowed or prohibited on Muslims and turns out that it was indeed prohibited.

According to the Quran, Muslims are forbidden to gamble. However, there are casinos in countries where Islam is the predominant religion, and there are numerous other countries throughout the world with casinos that focus their marketing strategies on attracting gamers from Muslim-majority countries.Source link

Totally contradictory? It wasnt allowed but theres casinos that had been built out with those muslim countries? How about on havingthis halal casino which
there are really that exemptions on which muslims are allowed or able to play? Going against your religious beliefs then it would really be your own choice and since not all would really be that strictly be
following with those and with the easy access today then it is really just too easy to gamble.

[serjent05]

I did make out some search if Gambling is really that allowed or prohibited on Muslims and turns out that it was indeed prohibited.

According to the Quran, Muslims are forbidden to gamble. However, there are casinos in countries where Islam is the predominant religion, and there are numerous other countries throughout the world with casinos that focus their marketing strategies on attracting gamers from Muslim-majority countries.Source link

Totally contradictory? It wasnt allowed but theres casinos that had been built out with those muslim countries? How about on havingthis halal casino which
there are really that exemptions on which muslims are allowed or able to play? Going against your religious beliefs then it would really be your own choice and since not all would really be that strictly be
following with those and with the easy access today then it is really just too easy to gamble.

This show how partial the government is in terms of profitability just like having a casino in Muslim countries.  Although there is a separation of state in religion but I do not know if it also applies in Muslim-dominated countries. 

If there is an exemption rule about a Muslim playing in a Halal casino, this is fully contrary to the Islamic belief that gambling is a sin and I think this will create a huge argument between the firm believer of the Islamic religion and those Muslims who intend to consent their way of gambling.  Since gambling is a sin for Islamic religion, there is no way that the existence of Halal Casino will be approved by the Islamic religious leaders.

[komisariatku]

Casino is casino it is always haram for muslims. Casino is a form of gambling and Muslim religion never considers gambling as halal. I don't know how he calls casino halal and how he found halal casino. They seem like complete scams. I am really shocked by this   From what I know of Islam I would never believe that casinos could ever be halal

Yes that's right. Islam prohibits the practice of gambling and all forms related to gambling. I think most religions have a concept like that, prohibiting gambling. Even so, many religious people carry out gambling activities. That's their choice and I don't think it needs to be related to religion itself. In my opinion, promoting casinos with the "halal casino" model is something wrong. They created controversy for themselves and I think that's a very bad idea

If they keep doing that I think there will be demonstrations from the Islamic community, and that will cause their casinos to close.

[Z_MBFM]

Casino is casino it is always haram for muslims. Casino is a form of gambling and Muslim religion never considers gambling as halal. I don't know how he calls casino halal and how he found halal casino. They seem like complete scams. I am really shocked by this   From what I know of Islam I would never believe that casinos could ever be halal

Yes that's right. Islam prohibits the practice of gambling and all forms related to gambling. I think most religions have a concept like that, prohibiting gambling. Even so, many religious people carry out gambling activities. That's their choice and I don't think it needs to be related to religion itself. In my opinion, promoting casinos with the "halal casino" model is something wrong. They created controversy for themselves and I think that's a very bad idea

If they keep doing that I think there will be demonstrations from the Islamic community, and that will cause their casinos to close.

I am a Muslim and I have always known that Islam never supports gambling and every casino is gambling. It somehow belittles Islam. It is a forum where all kinds of discussion and work are done together. It doesn't matter who belongs to which religion but everyone should respect everyone's religion. I think this topic is disrespecting Islam so it is better to lock this topic. As this is not an official announcement threat of any casino, so i think there is no reason to discuss it further here.

[pawanjain]

/// but also an obvious attempt of trying to justify something that they should not be doing.

It's true that what is wrong should not be justified or distorted. I am not a Muslim, but I believe that the teachings from the church and the Bible have specific meanings and should not be interpreted differently. Not everyone is highly educated, which is why a straightforward interpretation can be easily understood. What would happen if actions that were originally declared as sins were justified as 'okay'? 'Okay' can be subjective and may not always align with what is right or wrong. I think there should be clear distinctions between right and wrong.

Very well said mate. The fact is that there are many people who portrays certain quotes from their religion and convey it's meaning in a different form.
They completely change the actual meaning behind the context of the quote and interpret wrong information for their own benefits.
As mentioned in the video in OP, one sin shouldn't be the gateway to other sins. People should educate themselves and understand what their religion truly convey.
Each religion has it's own beauty and beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder.

Religion and personal beliefs should be separrated from this activity. Most of the people here in this industry belongs to a religion and culture but why are we still here if the concept itself of gambling is in contrast with the teachings of a religion? Simply because we are not linking these two concepts and which is why words associated to a religion should not also be mentioned in any way especially for personal gain 'coz you are simply fooling yourself and making fun of other's tradition and culture. Let gambling be gambling, that's it and no other colors of polictics and religious beliefs.

For sure few people would only fall in this scheme. Also, they should be sensitive enough to know it in a single glance. Let us not make the inage of this industry worse.

I did make out some search if Gambling is really that allowed or prohibited on Muslims and turns out that it was indeed prohibited.

According to the Quran, Muslims are forbidden to gamble. However, there are casinos in countries where Islam is the predominant religion, and there are numerous other countries throughout the world with casinos that focus their marketing strategies on attracting gamers from Muslim-majority countries.Source link

Totally contradictory? It wasnt allowed but theres casinos that had been built out with those muslim countries? How about on havingthis halal casino which
there are really that exemptions on which muslims are allowed or able to play? Going against your religious beliefs then it would really be your own choice and since not all would really be that strictly be
following with those and with the easy access today then it is really just too easy to gamble.

It's nothing new. There are religions which prohibit doing certain things yet there are some people from the religion who still do it.
For example eating non-veg food is prohibited in a religion yet there are people who still eat it.
I guess same goes here too. Even though gambling is prohibited for Muslims yet there will be some people gambling.

[qwertyup23]

It sounds to me that they're trying to work around their own beliefs which is just weird to say the least.

I'm not a muslim and don't consider gambling a sin but I believe that you shouldn't knowingly commit the same sin every day even if you pray and do something good right after commiting that sin.

I agree with your statement.

From what I have heard and learned, gambling is absolutely prohibited under the Islamic rules and regulations. According to them, Allah has forbidden gambling and it is considered as a sin. Seeing a Muslim working around and circumventing such is somehow displeasing to see but I guess they have their own discussion about it.

Though this may be the case, a concept of a "Halal" casino is potentially bound to fail. Imagine, naming a gambling casino in a Muslim term definitely spark red flags on it. I doubt that Muslims and other people would even attempt to try this without going against their beliefs.