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October 19, 2023, 03:23:25 PM
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Why not just let kids gamble and observe their results and behavior? Why not make a test first before making decisions like turning off the internet, setting filters, gambling secretly or at night and etc? If they show low interest to gambling then there is little to worry about. If they raise interest to it, then make a serious talk with them about consequences. What if they are one of a billions talented kid that gonna become a next poker champ and you kill that in the bud.
What? I didn't mean to contradict you, but letting kids play and observe? Even kids who don't have an idea or interest in gambling have a phase in their lives where they will be curious about the things they see. Maybe they will not be interested at this time, but what if someday? What if they remember that time when they saw gambling and were curious and wanted to try gambling? I don't know about the mindset you have. Next talent? Even in the statistics, it shows that most of the gamblers experience great losses, or gambling itself doesn't have a very good reputation in terms of means to earn. I'm not against gambling, as I also play gambling. I will disagree with what you said; letting a child have a glimpse of gambling at a young age is not a very good idea, especially if you are a parent. That's all.

I strongly agree with this, letting them observe would give them idea on gambling, so with or without the parent consent, if they saw the same activity, for sure they would be curious and try to participate, which is really bad. Especially if you don't give them knowledge on how gambling works, cause if they explore this area on their own, for sure it could lead to gambling addiction that would have domino affect to their life, like they mental and physical health. Passing your talents which is related is like a dumb thing to do, even you as an adult knows the risk and the after effect of gambling, so why involved your children right? It's like the common sense thing to do as a parent, to not introduced bad habits to them, especially if they saw it on their parents, they might think it's normal thing to do.

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October 19, 2023, 03:27:21 PM
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It is the duty of the parents to monitor their children's reach on the Internet because they should be the role model of their own kin. Blocking certain websites such as those with explicit contents and gambling contents can help, to avoid the kids being involved at a young age in gambling.
We will not continue to reach what our children access using the internet outside the home, but if we are at home maybe we can limit what they access, it is true that parents have an important role but if they get that knowledge out there both at school and in other places with friends who know about gambling, it might be difficult to prevent it.

As parents, at least we should not only limit but also supervise, namely by explaining the dangers of gambling. When we see our children ask about gambling or see them gambling, we as people can explain the dangers and risks so that they can judge what is good and bad for them. but once again as parents, never gamble in front of our children because that will make them follow us as gamblers.

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October 19, 2023, 04:08:12 PM
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I believe that parents should not forbid gambling but explain to the child that the price of gambling is very high and they will have to face the loss of what they value. The child should realize that the chances of losing what he already has a little higher than the chances of gaining something. In my opinion, before risking anything you have to learn how to earn and it is really important for children to understand this. 

The main argument is not about forbidden children from gambling but about parents gambling in front of their children. From the angle you're viewing, I will completely agree with you that parents should have open and honest discussion with the children about gambling and it's addiction. The costs and risks associated with gambling should also be emphasize on by the parents during such discussion.

Going back to main topic of discussion, gambling in the front of children is absolutely wrong and should be discouraged in all ramifications regardless of their age. Children often look to their parents as role models, so if parents are engaging in irresponsible or excessive gambling, their children may be more likely to do the same. Even if parents don't explicitly forbid gambling, they should still be careful to set a good example for their children by making responsible choices.

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October 19, 2023, 04:15:00 PM
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I believe that parents should not forbid gambling but explain to the child that the price of gambling is very high and they will have to face the loss of what they value. The child should realize that the chances of losing what he already has a little higher than the chances of gaining something. In my opinion, before risking anything you have to learn how to earn and it is really important for children to understand this. 

The main argument is not about forbidden children from gambling but about parents gambling in front of their children. From the angle you're viewing, I will completely agree with you that parents should have open and honest discussion with the children about gambling and it's addiction. The costs and risks associated with gambling should also be emphasize on by the parents during such discussion.

Going back to main topic of discussion, gambling in the front of children is absolutely wrong and should be discouraged in all ramifications regardless of their age. Children often look to their parents as role models, so if parents are engaging in irresponsible or excessive gambling, their children may be more likely to do the same. Even if parents don't explicitly forbid gambling, they should still be careful to set a good example for their children by making responsible choices.

I'm just going to be honest "gambling in the front of children is absolutely wrong and should be discouraged in all ramifications regardless of their age" is a ridiculous statement.  There is nothing wrong with gambling in front of children, for the most part.  I suppose there are some types of gambling in front of children that could be wrong ( for example taking your child with you to pay off a shady bookie).  Otherwise, as long as you raise and educate your children properly, gambling in front of them isn't going to turn them in to some gambleholics.

My father loved to gamble and would often take us to Casinos where they had arcade for children.  He would take Vegas vacations typically once a year etc.  My father never had any gambling isssues, was highly successful etc.  It's all about how you educate your children when it comes to gambling.  My father gambled in front of me and I have absolutely not gambling issues.

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October 19, 2023, 04:22:10 PM
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I believe that parents should not forbid gambling but explain to the child that the price of gambling is very high and they will have to face the loss of what they value. The child should realize that the chances of losing what he already has a little higher than the chances of gaining something. In my opinion, before risking anything you have to learn how to earn and it is really important for children to understand this. 

The main argument is not about forbidden children from gambling but about parents gambling in front of their children. From the angle you're viewing, I will completely agree with you that parents should have open and honest discussion with the children about gambling and it's addiction. The costs and risks associated with gambling should also be emphasize on by the parents during such discussion.

Going back to main topic of discussion, gambling in the front of children is absolutely wrong and should be discouraged in all ramifications regardless of their age. Children often look to their parents as role models, so if parents are engaging in irresponsible or excessive gambling, their children may be more likely to do the same. Even if parents don't explicitly forbid gambling, they should still be careful to set a good example for their children by making responsible choices.

I'm just going to be honest "gambling in the front of children is absolutely wrong and should be discouraged in all ramifications regardless of their age" is a ridiculous statement.  There is nothing wrong with gambling in front of children, for the most part.  I suppose there are some types of gambling in front of children that could be wrong ( for example taking your child with you to pay off a shady bookie).  Otherwise, as long as you raise and educate your children properly, gambling in front of them isn't going to turn them in to some gambleholics.

My father loved to gamble and would often take us to Casinos where they had arcade for children.  He would take Vegas vacations typically once a year etc.  My father never had any gambling isssues, was highly successful etc.  It's all about how you educate your children when it comes to gambling.  My father gambled in front of me and I have absolutely not gambling issues.
Not only just with gambling but also in other things which arent supposed to be seen by young minds on which we know that they are really that indeed on an age on where they are really that very curious on things on which means that if ever they would really be finding something like on what their parents is been doing then it would really be automatically be considered to be a good stuff
and they would really be likely on doing it also because they've seen that their parents is really that doing that and this is something that we should really be that avoiding for them to do so.
We do really love to do things that we do get used to it since we dont have still our own family or when we are still single until the time comes that you do have your own family then those
doings and habits didnt really changed but on the time that you do ran off with your own family then it would really be just that responsible that you should really be trying out to hide
those things which arent supposed to be exposed in front of your kids. We do know the risks and for us adults who do have that control and discipline then it is really just that
right that you should really be that trying to avoid on for them  to see.

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October 19, 2023, 05:06:19 PM
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But if there is no internet, children cannot do the online assignments their teachers give. This is a dilemma bute it all depends on how parents can educate their children well. And today's children watch YouTube more often, and many things are inappropriate for them to watch. As parents, they should be able to filter what they watch for their children so that they don't see inappropriate things.

We don't know what the future holds for our children, but at least by setting clear boundaries about what they watch and don't, we can make them understand it. And if they are adults, they can filter what they watch for themselves and won't make the wrong choice.

I agree with this. But in contrast to your statement that without internet the children cannot do their homework, well, they can. Only if there's an accessible public library in the area where they reside. They can use the books for free if their city has one and permits so. Although it will be such a shame if it has none because not everytime we have internet to rely on and not everyone is privileged enough to have gadgets and net connection. But that's another story. Going back, children can use internet as long as they will be carefully supervised by their parents or guardian.

It is the duty of the parents to monitor their children's reach on the Internet because they should be the role model of their own kin. Blocking certain websites such as those with explicit contents and gambling contents can help, to avoid the kids being involved at a young age in gambling.

You're right, it really helps if the adds, websites and anything else related to gambling are blocked, but I don't think that's enough.

For me, we can't really prevent them from knowing about gambling, it's better to give them an idea of ​​how harmful gambling is for children so they don't try it anymore.


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October 19, 2023, 05:23:12 PM
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But if there is no internet, children cannot do the online assignments their teachers give. This is a dilemma bute it all depends on how parents can educate their children well. And today's children watch YouTube more often, and many things are inappropriate for them to watch. As parents, they should be able to filter what they watch for their children so that they don't see inappropriate things.

We don't know what the future holds for our children, but at least by setting clear boundaries about what they watch and don't, we can make them understand it. And if they are adults, they can filter what they watch for themselves and won't make the wrong choice.

I agree with this. But in contrast to your statement that without internet the children cannot do their homework, well, they can. Only if there's an accessible public library in the area where they reside. They can use the books for free if their city has one and permits so. Although it will be such a shame if it has none because not everytime we have internet to rely on and not everyone is privileged enough to have gadgets and net connection. But that's another story. Going back, children can use internet as long as they will be carefully supervised by their parents or guardian.

It is the duty of the parents to monitor their children's reach on the Internet because they should be the role model of their own kin. Blocking certain websites such as those with explicit contents and gambling contents can help, to avoid the kids being involved at a young age in gambling.

You're right, it really helps if the adds, websites and anything else related to gambling are blocked, but I don't think that's enough.

For me, we can't really prevent them from knowing about gambling, it's better to give them an idea of ​​how harmful gambling is for children so they don't try it anymore.



Giving your children the idea once curiosity arises inside their young minds is good. This is to alarm them if what are the things that
can happen if they will engage themselves in gambling.

Though, with their young minds, they are still relying on their parents, and what they are witnessing can give them the idea that things are just okay.

Better not to play if you are engaged in gambling while your kids are around, best recommendation as it will not give them
anything that might trigger that interest inside their minds.
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October 19, 2023, 05:53:24 PM
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You're right, it really helps if the adds, websites and anything else related to gambling are blocked, but I don't think that's enough.

For me, we can't really prevent them from knowing about gambling, it's better to give them an idea of ​​how harmful gambling is for children so they don't try it anymore.


I doubt parents can be fully aware or have total control of what their children are doing and being exposed to. Children, perhaps being in a haste to grow up are quick to copy and imitate actions and behaviors from adults around.
 
Children can also get more curious about things parents visibly try to keep away from them and having parental control over what shows on television they can see or sites on the web deemed inappropriate can for a while, have the desired effect, it cannot fully suppress a young curious mind.

We obviously shouldn’t do or say certain things with kids around. But we also cannot shield them from the ugliness of society forever. We should be more open to them as they grow about actions and the consequences that could follow.
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October 19, 2023, 07:06:18 PM
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You're right, it really helps if the adds, websites and anything else related to gambling are blocked, but I don't think that's enough.

For me, we can't really prevent them from knowing about gambling, it's better to give them an idea of ​​how harmful gambling is for children so they don't try it anymore.


I doubt parents can be fully aware or have total control of what their children are doing and being exposed to. Children, perhaps being in a haste to grow up are quick to copy and imitate actions and behaviors from adults around.
 
Children can also get more curious about things parents visibly try to keep away from them and having parental control over what shows on television they can see or sites on the web deemed inappropriate can for a while, have the desired effect, it cannot fully suppress a young curious mind.

We obviously shouldn’t do or say certain things with kids around. But we also cannot shield them from the ugliness of society forever. We should be more open to them as they grow about actions and the consequences that could follow.

Before doing so make sure the kid already knows and understands responsibility. Sometimes it has to have timing before you can show them gambling otherwise the kid will ask why you gamble when it can do harm to you. Remember that parents are their superheroes, you don't wanna look at you like you are more confused than them.

As much as possible, it is best that they learn gambling not from the parents themselves. The impression to them is a lot different.


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October 19, 2023, 07:24:22 PM
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You're right, it really helps if the adds, websites and anything else related to gambling are blocked, but I don't think that's enough.
That's enough but you as a parent need to guide your children and check them out once in a while to see if they're doing something beyond your knowledge that's related to gambling. These days, kids are so adventurous and will do anything what adults are doing just as gambling and that's why you need an eye on them at most times while you can because you'll never know what they are up to.

For me, we can't really prevent them from knowing about gambling, it's better to give them an idea of ​​how harmful gambling is for children so they don't try it anymore.
As long as their minds aren't yet on it, better not to introduce or give them ideas. But once they are on it, that's when you'll tell them the harmful benefits of gambling and they shouldn't try it because they're still kids and don't gamble when they're around for them not to see it. So they won't have any idea or thoughts on what gambling is like. Because if they do, that's the hardest part and you might have trouble stopping them.

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October 19, 2023, 08:05:15 PM
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Finally a flash of light in this topic. Instead of hiding, forbidding and banning a parent must teach, show and tell consequences about various things. The rule "I am your parent, I know what is better for your" does not apply anymore in the modern world. We must let the kids have their own life, not to copy ours.
True, the more you try to restrict them and try to keep them away from certain things, the more curious they will become to know about those things or to try them out. So trying to forbid them might actually work in a negative sense in this case.

I mean how can the understand that gambling is bad (like many here say, even though they wear gambling signatures)
People often say excessive gambling is bad, and not gambling itself, and I don't see what having a gambling signature has to do with that. There is nothing wrong in saying that one should gamble responsibly because irresponsible gambling can be bad for someone in the long run. Promoting a firearm company doesn't mean you shouldn't condemn the negative usage of those firearms.

Ok, I will never gamble in front of a kid because it is bad, but what should I tell if one day the kid sees me gambling? The kid will either see his parent doing bad thing or will realise that the parent lied to him. Both scenarios are bad.
One should try their best to keep things away from them as much as one can, but if one is seen doing it and questions are asked, then one should go ahead and tell them the actual thing and explain how it can be bad for them.

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October 20, 2023, 03:03:26 AM
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Why not just let kids gamble and observe their results and behavior? Why not make a test first before making decisions like turning off the internet, setting filters, gambling secretly or at night and etc? If they show low interest to gambling then there is little to worry about. If they raise interest to it, then make a serious talk with them about consequences. What if they are one of a billions talented kid that gonna become a next poker champ and you kill that in the bud.
What? I didn't mean to contradict you, but letting kids play and observe? Even kids who don't have an idea or interest in gambling have a phase in their lives where they will be curious about the things they see. Maybe they will not be interested at this time, but what if someday? What if they remember that time when they saw gambling and were curious and wanted to try gambling? I don't know about the mindset you have. Next talent? Even in the statistics, it shows that most of the gamblers experience great losses, or gambling itself doesn't have a very good reputation in terms of means to earn. I'm not against gambling, as I also play gambling. I will disagree with what you said; letting a child have a glimpse of gambling at a young age is not a very good idea, especially if you are a parent. That's all.
I agree with you why should children observe gambling activities?? allowing children to engage in gambling even on an observational basis can send the wrong signals about the value of money and the outcomes of gambling. This could put them at serious risk in the future. Testing and supervision may be beneficial, but allowing children to gamble, even as observers, can have serious consequences for their well-being, including the risk of addiction and serious financial problems later in life.
as parents we will definitely direct them towards activities that build their abilities in a positive way and cultivating healthy interests is the best way to ensure their balanced and positive growth. It is an important step to protect them from the possible negative impacts that gambling can cause.

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October 20, 2023, 03:30:00 AM
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You're right, it really helps if the adds, websites and anything else related to gambling are blocked, but I don't think that's enough.

For me, we can't really prevent them from knowing about gambling, it's better to give them an idea of ​​how harmful gambling is for children so they don't try it anymore.


I doubt parents can be fully aware or have total control of what their children are doing and being exposed to. Children, perhaps being in a haste to grow up are quick to copy and imitate actions and behaviors from adults around.
 
Children can also get more curious about things parents visibly try to keep away from them and having parental control over what shows on television they can see or sites on the web deemed inappropriate can for a while, have the desired effect, it cannot fully suppress a young curious mind.

We obviously shouldn’t do or say certain things with kids around. But we also cannot shield them from the ugliness of society forever. We should be more open to them as they grow about actions and the consequences that could follow.

Before doing so make sure the kid already knows and understands responsibility. Sometimes it has to have timing before you can show them gambling otherwise the kid will ask why you gamble when it can do harm to you. Remember that parents are their superheroes, you don't wanna look at you like you are more confused than them.

As much as possible, it is best that they learn gambling not from the parents themselves. The impression to them is a lot different.

Age, everything depends on the age and personality of child because there are many children who are not yet adults but can already know what sense of responsibility is and also determine what is wrong or right and vice versa.
When we have children who are felt to have more mature thinking with high sense of responsibility perhaps showing gambling once or twice is not a problem but with the aim of providing education and also learning understanding to children about the impacts and risks of gambling.
In this way we show that it is not to make them curious and try it but to broaden their knowledge of the prohibitions on gambling.

Some people may think this is stupid way of educating but I think every parent has their own way and for me personally I would do it for an education that is beneficial for child development.

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October 20, 2023, 03:46:53 AM
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This is one of the things I will never do in front of my kids: gamble. If they see I'm not doing it, maybe at least they will think twice, or even if they do it, they will have better control. Not to the extent that other gamblers play excessively since they know I'm not doing it. Sometimes, kids think it's fine since their parents are doing it.
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Exactly! Kiddos nowadays has their new level of curiousity so beware of that. I have no kids as of the moment but seen something like this issue before with my neighbors and relatives. Once they knew how it played they will surely find ways to get in without you knowing that they are already doing it. Google is free and they can search it on YouTube as well for tutorials so parental guidance really is advised.



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October 20, 2023, 06:19:06 AM
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I'm just going to be honest "gambling in the front of children is absolutely wrong and should be discouraged in all ramifications regardless of their age" is a ridiculous statement.  There is nothing wrong with gambling in front of children, for the most part.  I suppose there are some types of gambling in front of children that could be wrong ( for example taking your child with you to pay off a shady bookie).  Otherwise, as long as you raise and educate your children properly, gambling in front of them isn't going to turn them in to some gambleholics.

My father loved to gamble and would often take us to Casinos where they had arcade for children.  He would take Vegas vacations typically once a year etc.  My father never had any gambling isssues, was highly successful etc.  It's all about how you educate your children when it comes to gambling.  My father gambled in front of me and I have absolutely not gambling issues.

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I strongly agree with this, letting them observe would give them idea on gambling, so with or without the parent consent, if they saw the same activity, for sure they would be curious and try to participate, which is really bad. Especially if you don't give them knowledge on how gambling works, cause if they explore this area on their own, for sure it could lead to gambling addiction that would have domino affect to their life, like they mental and physical health. Passing your talents which is related is like a dumb thing to do, even you as an adult knows the risk and the after effect of gambling, so why involved your children right? It's like the common sense thing to do as a parent, to not introduced bad habits to them, especially if they saw it on their parents, they might think it's normal thing to do.

Again, from the start your vision of gambling is as if it is bad, bad habit. And the only argument you have why it is bad is "it might cause addiction". Do you have anything else to say except addiction? You know, my father worked as an electrician for a long period. He even took me to work. Guess how many times I was stricken with electricity? And how many times I do things with electricity right now while being an adult? Zero in both cases. Because my father told me about consequences, and I better trust to do the work to professional than do it myself.

Many of you here are theorists, but have zero experience of raising kids. You know some imposed opinions and visions, but never had much practice. You dont even gamble IRL or do it so rarely, that your kid wont even notice you do something special. Yet from the start you start to prohibit something without giving him have his own experience.

I will give you all an example. You are against gambling in front of kids, because you think in future they will have addiction (actually most of you think that the kids will get addiction for 100%). The main word here is future. It will be in years, ten years probably. And now imagine or remember the time when you gave your kid scissors. It could take less than a second for him to get a cut, start bleeding, perhaps even have his life endangered if he cuts arteria. Dont forget eye poking also. Agree that scissors are quite dangerous in general. At what age we let kids make things from paper, cut it with paper? Watch we help him cutting paper or things? Watch us cut things? We did not hide scissors in general, when the kids is 5yo already. Maybe this is not the best example, but from very early age we already teach kids danger things and let them do it on their own. Yet you worry a lot about only a possibility of addiction in future.

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October 20, 2023, 06:49:04 AM
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Before doing so make sure the kid already knows and understands responsibility. Sometimes it has to have timing before you can show them gambling otherwise the kid will ask why you gamble when it can do harm to you. Remember that parents are their superheroes, you don't wanna look at you like you are more confused than them.

As much as possible, it is best that they learn gambling not from the parents themselves. The impression to them is a lot different.


I didn’t imply the parent should directly open them to gambling or should be the one to teach them gambling.
And yes, the kid has to have some sort of understanding about responsibility so it’s best to gradually open them to things as they grow older and matured enough to have a better grasp of how our actions and habits has consequences and can affect our lives.

Kids are innocent and naive. It’s best to learn as much as they can about how life works from their parents who likely wouldn’t lead them astray. Sadly, some parents today are careless and lack any moral value to impact on their children.
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I agree with this. But in contrast to your statement that without internet the children cannot do their homework, well, they can. Only if there's an accessible public library in the area where they reside. They can use the books for free if their city has one and permits so. Although it will be such a shame if it has none because not everytime we have internet to rely on and not everyone is privileged enough to have gadgets and net connection. But that's another story. Going back, children can use internet as long as they will be carefully supervised by their parents or guardian.

It is the duty of the parents to monitor their children's reach on the Internet because they should be the role model of their own kin. Blocking certain websites such as those with explicit contents and gambling contents can help, to avoid the kids being involved at a young age in gambling.
We know that after the pandemic is over, they can return to their normal activities. However, there may be assignments given by their teachers that still require them to send their assignments via the internet, so if there is no internet, they will have difficulty doing them. They can do it if there is an internet connection from another device. Yes, they can get it from their parents.

Parents can only supervise them and teach their children not to misuse the internet. And their parents have also told them not to use the internet for unnecessary things. Children who understand it will not violate their parent's messages and will use what they need.
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October 21, 2023, 09:40:29 PM
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I agree with this. But in contrast to your statement that without internet the children cannot do their homework, well, they can. Only if there's an accessible public library in the area where they reside. They can use the books for free if their city has one and permits so. Although it will be such a shame if it has none because not everytime we have internet to rely on and not everyone is privileged enough to have gadgets and net connection. But that's another story. Going back, children can use internet as long as they will be carefully supervised by their parents or guardian.

It is the duty of the parents to monitor their children's reach on the Internet because they should be the role model of their own kin. Blocking certain websites such as those with explicit contents and gambling contents can help, to avoid the kids being involved at a young age in gambling.
We know that after the pandemic is over, they can return to their normal activities. However, there may be assignments given by their teachers that still require them to send their assignments via the internet, so if there is no internet, they will have difficulty doing them. They can do it if there is an internet connection from another device. Yes, they can get it from their parents.

Parents can only supervise them and teach their children not to misuse the internet. And their parents have also told them not to use the internet for unnecessary things. Children who understand it will not violate their parent's messages and will use what they need.

Kids who has that full respect with their parents will follow that instructions, having that guidance that they will follow and respect prevent children in doing unnecessary things over the internet, I think curiosity which most of the time push the kids to explore can be prevented if the parents have that time to explain and to monitor whatever the kids are doing especially that online access really gives them more freedom to explore.

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October 21, 2023, 09:47:40 PM
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Before doing so make sure the kid already knows and understands responsibility. Sometimes it has to have timing before you can show them gambling otherwise the kid will ask why you gamble when it can do harm to you. Remember that parents are their superheroes, you don't wanna look at you like you are more confused than them.

As much as possible, it is best that they learn gambling not from the parents themselves. The impression to them is a lot different.


I didn’t imply the parent should directly open them to gambling or should be the one to teach them gambling.
And yes, the kid has to have some sort of understanding about responsibility so it’s best to gradually open them to things as they grow older and matured enough to have a better grasp of how our actions and habits has consequences and can affect our lives.

Kids are innocent and naive. It’s best to learn as much as they can about how life works from their parents who likely wouldn’t lead them astray. Sadly, some parents today are careless and lack any moral value to impact on their children.
A parent is responsible for any misbehavior of the children whether good or bad. We need to make sure that we teach our children what they ought to know or they will learn it outside in our back. Most children tend to learn 60% of what their parents do not teach them out of there families. This is why we need to educate our children and adolescents on how to be very careful in some certain things especially in gambling because the world is moving very fast. Children can learn very fast so we need to make sure that we teach the major things they ought to know.

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