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October 05, 2023, 02:19:30 PM
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not enough. The real fact is that those who have experience do not always come from the academy. They even have special skills such as being able to autodidactically understand the areas they are interested in. I think academics are enough to gather friends, but we have to hone our own skills even without an academy.

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October 05, 2023, 03:02:10 PM
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I think that if you graduated from a well-known university and graduated with honors and the course you completed was good, you are at an advantage to be accepted immediately by a company that you will apply to or maybe compete with other companies. Because that's the battle here in our country, then the sport of backing up the applicants is also the battle.

The fight is really unfair. Think about it: even if the degree you took is higher, if you don't have a backer who will help you within the company you will apply to, you will have no fight because the one with a backer will be prioritized, even if the one who will be admitted is
Graduating with a good grade and from a good course is of an advantage of securing a better job but with all these it is still not a guarantee of getting desired job, but I think all these depends on the country we found ourselves. Like in some countries Graduating with good grades is the easiest way of getting a job. But it is important for people not to take only their degree as the only option to get a job,  their should be an alternative like having a skill.
 
Getting a good grade is very important that anybody must fight for to secure a job because no one knows when opportunity will knock on the door.

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October 05, 2023, 05:50:53 PM
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I really want know if getting more degrees can make life financially better because I come from a country where their are no job and I have seen people that the only thing they can do in life is to read books, getting more degrees attaining all these degrees yet no still go job for them with good pay. Do think people who read in a region with slim job opportunities are doing the right thing?

Most people who go for more degrees believe they can get better job at the end of the day. People that only go for more degrees in a stare with high unemployment rate are they doing right thing by putting all their focus on academic because this is the only thing they can do best.
Life is about trade. It doesn't matter how many books you read, if you can't use that knowledge to create something that you will be able to sell, then you will still remain jobless and poor. That's why people study in universities and then are either hired and paid low salary or are jobless because of the oversaturation of the market and no necessity of new wave of educated people.

The only way for you to increase your income is to increase your charisma, communication skills, establish a good network of high class people and be good at sales & marketing. You have to market yourself so well to be able to sell expensively, salt bae is a good example. Degrees only help in some cases.

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October 05, 2023, 07:45:22 PM
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not enough. The real fact is that those who have experience do not always come from the academy. They even have special skills such as being able to autodidactically understand the areas they are interested in. I think academics are enough to gather friends, but we have to hone our own skills even without an academy.
Well both of these things are equally important. Both academic degrees and personal skills. Just having a high academic degree without having good achievements and even only having average skills will of course not help much in finding a job though. Because there are lots of other people who will have the same average skills as us. To increase your chances of getting a job and income, both are needed and not just one. Especially regarding skills that actually need to be paid more attention. Because if we have above average skills then we won't be the ones looking for work but many will come to us and offer us work.

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Being educated and earning higher degrees is not a bad idea. Just like what you said your country lacks employment. For example if I find myself in a country where there is no value for graduates I will stop attening  higher degrees and I will go for what brings more money like acquiring skills and being productive, for example the world is now a developed world, not everything that brings money requires higher degree. But in some countries the level of employment is very high so you see people upgrading their education status like in some advance countries pays heavily for professional courses such as nursing, medicine, law. So if I find myself in that country I will as well upgrade my education status.
So the simple truth is anything that brings money do it.

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October 06, 2023, 07:17:10 PM
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not enough. The real fact is that those who have experience do not always come from the academy. They even have special skills such as being able to autodidactically understand the areas they are interested in. I think academics are enough to gather friends, but we have to hone our own skills even without an academy.
Well both of these things are equally important. Both academic degrees and personal skills. Just having a high academic degree without having good achievements and even only having average skills will of course not help much in finding a job though. Because there are lots of other people who will have the same average skills as us. To increase your chances of getting a job and income, both are needed and not just one. Especially regarding skills that actually need to be paid more attention. Because if we have above average skills then we won't be the ones looking for work but many will come to us and offer us work.
Correct, experience is necessary, but if someone doesn't hire you, then how do you gain experience? Usually, you need a degree to prove that you have knowledge about a subject. Although it's not always true, the general rule applies. That may not be the case with IT and technology-related work, because you can easily prove your worth by showing a potential employer your portfolio and previous work you've done, even as academic projects or practice ones. For instance, a web developer can present a few examples of his work, as can a programmer.

Other professions can't be presented with hands-on work to prove that you're knowledgeable enough, such as financial or managerial work. I don't believe that degrees are always necessary, but I do believe that they're a strong stepping stone.

 
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October 06, 2023, 11:42:39 PM
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Being educated and earning higher degrees is not a bad idea. Just like what you said your country lacks employment. For example if I find myself in a country where there is no value for graduates I will stop attening  higher degrees and I will go for what brings more money like acquiring skills and being productive, for example the world is now a developed world, not everything that brings money requires higher degree. But in some countries the level of employment is very high so you see people upgrading their education status like in some advance countries pays heavily for professional courses such as nursing, medicine, law. So if I find myself in that country I will as well upgrade my education status.
So the simple truth is anything that brings money do it.

thats true, getting degree and paying for it just to get edge on some jobs is worth it honestly, but i always think that getting into university for med school or something like that including law school are the ones that worth more than the other degree since its practical, you can only learn such thing from there and the earning and income after you graduated also high.
the other degree that can be obtained by means of following online course might be worth only by doing it online but the credibility sometime being doubted by employer.
therefore whatever is better for you just do it, even better if you can be sure that you will be earning high income after getting the degree.

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October 06, 2023, 11:45:07 PM
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not enough. The real fact is that those who have experience do not always come from the academy. They even have special skills such as being able to autodidactically understand the areas they are interested in. I think academics are enough to gather friends, but we have to hone our own skills even without an academy.
That's an exception and will depend to the employer. But what's sad on these days is that, we will never know from the company if they prefer someone with experience or higher degree. Maybe for them to have a low ball offer to their employees, they'll take those that don't have much academic achievement. And that's what they're trying to do and avoid those with such scholastic numbers because it tells how hard working they are a student but regardless of that, schools and offices are different from each other and someone's working ethic might change over time due to the environment of the company.

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Any professor I've met is earning enough to live comfortably, but in no way shape or form enough to be rewarded properly for the amount and quality of work they do.

There's ton of people working industry and corporate jobs that are far less advanced than university professors that earn 10x as much. If you want to teach at a university you just must love what you do. There's no other way to be involved in academia. If you're in it for the money you're a fool. Even with a PhD you'd be earning much more working an industry job, even doing less serious and not as demanding research.

Professors also take a ton of work outside of what they're paid for. Grading assignments, creating curriculum, participating in conferences, taking part in committees to decide on important matters about the university as mandated by bureaucratic rules, helping students with their research and much much more... It's a very hard and demanding job mentally.

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Well, degrees might not be that important but literacy and some skills are essential things to have in order to at least be able to make use of opportunities available around you. There is a difference between knowledge and education, a lot of people are focused on getting high grades without being able to gather any knowledge regarding anything in the world, even the subjects that they are studying because they are just memorizing things to get more marks and aren't learning anything, I believe a degree gotten that way is totally useless.

However, if someone is literate and they can manage to learn things and develop some skills, they are surely going to get a good job somewhere, and the most important thing is that they can make use of an opportunity that they might get which an illiterate person cannot do, so literacy and knowledge are the most important things, in my opinion.

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October 10, 2023, 04:07:07 AM
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Do think people who read in a region with slim job opportunities are doing the right thing?
At least that is very helpful and we can see how many people who hold good positions in companies or in government are those who have a high level of education.
If you live in a country where job opportunities are very minimal but have a good level of education, you will have the opportunity to become a skilled worker outside your country and this is what I see happening a lot in my country, so opportunities for graduates are more wide open, not only in their country. but also abroad.

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I really want know if getting more degrees can make life financially better because I come from a country where their are no job and I have seen people that the only thing they can do in life is to read books, getting more degrees attaining all these degrees yet no still go job for them with good pay. Do think people who read in a region with slim job opportunities are doing the right thing?

Most people who go for more degrees believe they can get better job at the end of the day. People that only go for more degrees in a stare with high unemployment rate are they doing right thing by putting all their focus on academic because this is the only thing they can do best.


I don't think this has any influence, everyone hopes to earn a large income by continuing to improve their education, but they forget that the world of work and business requires more skills than an educational degree, and the fact that happens is that many people have a history of low education but can be successful become entrepreneurs.


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October 10, 2023, 10:32:41 AM
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I don't think this has any influence, everyone hopes to earn a large income by continuing to improve their education, but they forget that the world of work and business requires more skills than an educational degree, and the fact that happens is that many people have a history of low education but can be successful become entrepreneurs.

It all actually depends on the place, mate, because the business world as it is run by most people with a low level of education is a world that basically does not look at the level of education. But the business world really looks more at the skills that each person has to run the business so that matters related to education will always be ignored by businesses that do not require special education.

However, it will be different for those who want to work in government offices, where each person must have special education, although they must also have some expertise in their own field. But basically they really have to have a certain level of education in order to be selected and placed in the field they are skilled at in a government office, meaning it all depends on the place too. Because not all workplaces require a certain level of education, and vice versa, there are also places that require education at a certain level.
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October 10, 2023, 10:52:05 AM
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not enough. The real fact is that those who have experience do not always come from the academy. They even have special skills such as being able to autodidactically understand the areas they are interested in. I think academics are enough to gather friends, but we have to hone our own skills even without an academy.
Well both of these things are equally important. Both academic degrees and personal skills. Just having a high academic degree without having good achievements and even only having average skills will of course not help much in finding a job though. Because there are lots of other people who will have the same average skills as us. To increase your chances of getting a job and income, both are needed and not just one. Especially regarding skills that actually need to be paid more attention. Because if we have above average skills then we won't be the ones looking for work but many will come to us and offer us work.
I agree that both are equally important. And both are must-haves. But from my point of view, there is actually one thing that should be prioritized, namely honing skills or developing individual skills that we can excel in in the field of work that we might want.

Sharpening skills can start from things that are part of our hobbies. Or something that makes us happy to do. Because if we have skills that other people don't have, then I'm quite sure that even without graduating from a high academic degree, we will still receive lots of job offers.

Even now, having expertise in the field of programming is very much needed in government. So that someone who is an expert in this field and exceeds other people's abilities will definitely be appreciated for their expertise. But having both is much better (academics and skills)
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October 10, 2023, 11:08:38 AM
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I don't think this has any influence, everyone hopes to earn a large income by continuing to improve their education, but they forget that the world of work and business requires more skills than an educational degree, and the fact that happens is that many people have a history of low education but can be successful become entrepreneurs.
The technique is to increase educational backgrounds and degrees through continuous studies and masterals and even doctorate programs.
But there are programs that are looking for more experience than of these certifications. However with certifications, that only proves that you're competent and has got the fundamentals and foundation knowledge of the actual skillset you're learning.

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October 10, 2023, 11:49:45 AM
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The technique is to increase educational backgrounds and degrees through continuous studies and masterals and even doctorate programs.
But there are programs that are looking for more experience than of these certifications. However with certifications, that only proves that you're competent and has got the fundamentals and foundation knowledge of the actual skillset you're learning.

I doubt there are that many job positions looking for more qualifications than a doctorate - that basically proves you are an expert in that field.

Besides, academic success is not required to get a good income, you can get by without it - look at all of these Silicon Valley founders for example with a vision and a plan to act on it.

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October 10, 2023, 01:45:43 PM
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The technique is to increase educational backgrounds and degrees through continuous studies and masterals and even doctorate programs.
But there are programs that are looking for more experience than of these certifications. However with certifications, that only proves that you're competent and has got the fundamentals and foundation knowledge of the actual skillset you're learning.
I doubt there are that many job positions looking for more qualifications than a doctorate - that basically proves you are an expert in that field.

Besides, academic success is not required to get a good income, you can get by without it - look at all of these Silicon Valley founders for example with a vision and a plan to act on it.
It's true about not requiring academic success to have more income, it's more of grit, resourcefulness and hustle.
While having that doctorate or masteral proves that you're good academically and that's a proof that you've finished that. There are some companies that are looking for those for their higher positions.

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October 10, 2023, 02:31:02 PM
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The technique is to increase educational backgrounds and degrees through continuous studies and masterals and even doctorate programs.
But there are programs that are looking for more experience than of these certifications. However with certifications, that only proves that you're competent and has got the fundamentals and foundation knowledge of the actual skillset you're learning.
I doubt there are that many job positions looking for more qualifications than a doctorate - that basically proves you are an expert in that field.

Besides, academic success is not required to get a good income, you can get by without it - look at all of these Silicon Valley founders for example with a vision and a plan to act on it.
It's true about not requiring academic success to have more income, it's more of grit, resourcefulness and hustle.
While having that doctorate or masteral proves that you're good academically and that's a proof that you've finished that. There are some companies that are looking for those for their higher positions.
An educational degree is proof that someone has the ability and in my opinion it is quite influential in getting a job and also the relationships that academics have will be better than others so they have a greater chance of getting a decent job to increase their educational income.
So in my opinion, higher education has quite a big influence on the income you will get, and one thing we need to remember is that we cannot compare several people without successful education, we have to be realistic in looking at the average number for a conclusion.

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October 10, 2023, 04:33:34 PM
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The technique is to increase educational backgrounds and degrees through continuous studies and masterals and even doctorate programs.
But there are programs that are looking for more experience than of these certifications. However with certifications, that only proves that you're competent and has got the fundamentals and foundation knowledge of the actual skillset you're learning.

I doubt there are that many job positions looking for more qualifications than a doctorate - that basically proves you are an expert in that field.

Besides, academic success is not required to get a good income, you can get by without it - look at all of these Silicon Valley founders for example with a vision and a plan to act on it.
I agree with you, academic success is not required but is it a good background and foundation? Absolutely. Academic success gives individuals the foundation they need to have the confidence to apply or venture to a field they are interested in. We have to remember that the world, whenever we look at it, is full of opportunities that are not only laid out for us but for anyone seeking to improve and be successful in life; hence, competition is constant. Academic success allows us to have a good advantage in such competitions. For example, in businesses, an individual who has a formal educational background on the product or services they are offering is more likely to have more clients than those who don't as clients have the confidence to rely on those who are able to attain formal educations than those who do not. As cruel and unfair as it is, that's how more scenarios go.

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October 10, 2023, 05:28:54 PM
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The technique is to increase educational backgrounds and degrees through continuous studies and masterals and even doctorate programs.
But there are programs that are looking for more experience than of these certifications. However with certifications, that only proves that you're competent and has got the fundamentals and foundation knowledge of the actual skillset you're learning.

I doubt there are that many job positions looking for more qualifications than a doctorate - that basically proves you are an expert in that field.

Besides, academic success is not required to get a good income, you can get by without it - look at all of these Silicon Valley founders for example with a vision and a plan to act on it.
I agree with you, academic success is not required but is it a good background and foundation? Absolutely. Academic success gives individuals the foundation they need to have the confidence to apply or venture to a field they are interested in. We have to remember that the world, whenever we look at it, is full of opportunities that are not only laid out for us but for anyone seeking to improve and be successful in life; hence, competition is constant. Academic success allows us to have a good advantage in such competitions. For example, in businesses, an individual who has a formal educational background on the product or services they are offering is more likely to have more clients than those who don't as clients have the confidence to rely on those who are able to attain formal educations than those who do not. As cruel and unfair as it is, that's how more scenarios go.
You would really be having an edge compared into other people on which it would really be that relevant that you would really be needing to have at least that educational background which we do know that it is already that a basic requirement when you do apply for a job physically and since that competition is really that high or something that we can really say that its not really that easy to get accepted and we do all know that having that higher educational qualification would really be having that advantage compared into those people who have none. Although it isnt really that a solid indication that we would really be that getting that job once we do apply. Always consider out on the competition out there which you arent the only one who do look for such job. Pursuing another set of course? Its up to you since we are really that in
control of our times and with the actions  that should be made. If you are pusuing multiple courses or degree then its up to your choice.

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