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November 12, 2023, 02:39:07 PM
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Actually, in my view, education is the process of forming a person's identity or mindset and our ability to form rational thinking patterns in dealing with problems. Indeed, in an era like now, education is indeed important, so our education while at school does not make us able to do everything in our daily lives successfully. but that school gives us an understanding of the thought process in everyday life in earning income, That thought process is what actually makes us successful.

There is no guarantee that with the highest achievement index or academic intelligence you will be successful, but how far can you absorb and think about the knowledge you have learned so far. In my opinion, the determining factor for success is the skills we have in working at the company.

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November 12, 2023, 08:49:16 PM
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Actually, in my view, education is the process of forming a person's identity or mindset and our ability to form rational thinking patterns in dealing with problems. Indeed, in an era like now, education is indeed important, so our education while at school does not make us able to do everything in our daily lives successfully. but that school gives us an understanding of the thought process in everyday life in earning income, That thought process is what actually makes us successful.

There is no guarantee that with the highest achievement index or academic intelligence you will be successful, but how far can you absorb and think about the knowledge you have learned so far. In my opinion, the determining factor for success is the skills we have in working at the company.

   Sometimes one would wonder if anything come out for this school, the answer is yes and no. Yes because, without education, there are some level of mingling with people that'd be disrupted because you won't be able to blend in to their level of intelligence and understanding. Yes you may be able to communicate but there's a level of the communication you won't be able to get to with them. The answer is no because, the situation of things right now makes it so obvious that education isn't just the answer. Personally I'd advise that even in the process of acquiring educational knowledge, also acquire vocational knowledge. No one kill owls when any of these knowledges would be handy.
   Another point is, currently securing official jobs is difficult and everyone basically wants to strive to make money and be an average boss of himself. This is where business comes in, you can't start a business you don't have knowledge about. They won't give you this knowledge in the school setting, it's you as a person that'd have to go outta your way to acquire it and lay a good foundation for yourself in that field if you want to venture into it.
It doesn't dispute the fact that  education doesn't give income, whichever way, and in some cases, it does give income and in some other cases, it doesn't. So one just has to create a balance.
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November 14, 2023, 03:25:40 AM
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Agree with you, despite of having so many degree, what is the value of that degree where people are unemployed. A man certainly needs academic education but he must be involved in service in some way or else he will fail in leading his life. That is, if he cannot show himself in any economic work, then he will not get the real value of that education. A student must set his own goals by deciding in advance what he will do and what he will focus on after his studies. It should be remembered that education rate is increasing all over the world but employment has not increased accordingly. Of course academic degree is required but it never guarantees money income.

That's why we have to be self employed. We can't rely on the government anymore. I have seen many multiple degree holders to try and get a decent job. But no success. Later they same person made a business of his and became a entreprener. It was hard, he had to start small, build everything from scratch but he was successful at the end. Rather than relying on your government or degree we should rely on our skills. That's why a student should always obtain other set of skills along with his skills. That way, he won't be left away.
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November 14, 2023, 11:55:40 AM
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Agree with you, despite of having so many degree, what is the value of that degree where people are unemployed. A man certainly needs academic education but he must be involved in service in some way or else he will fail in leading his life. That is, if he cannot show himself in any economic work, then he will not get the real value of that education. A student must set his own goals by deciding in advance what he will do and what he will focus on after his studies. It should be remembered that education rate is increasing all over the world but employment has not increased accordingly. Of course academic degree is required but it never guarantees money income.

That's why we have to be self employed. We can't rely on the government anymore. I have seen many multiple degree holders to try and get a decent job. But no success. Later they same person made a business of his and became a entrepreneur. It was hard, he had to start small, build everything from scratch but he was successful at the end. Rather than relying on your government or degree we should rely on our skills. That's why a student should always obtain other set of skills along with his skills. That way, he won't be left away.

Starting a business most of the time accompany by struggles and hard work, a person with full determination might able to find success
if he will really try everything, though not all have that same fate and luck.

I also believe that relying with the government is not the best way to find that success so with having multiple degree without any additional hard work and research.

More on how you use your knowledge and how you compete with the test of time to have that successful journey whatever the path you use.
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November 14, 2023, 05:39:15 PM
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Actually, in my view, education is the process of forming a person's identity or mindset and our ability to form rational thinking patterns in dealing with problems. Indeed, in an era like now, education is indeed important, so our education while at school does not make us able to do everything in our daily lives successfully. but that school gives us an understanding of the thought process in everyday life in earning income, That thought process is what actually makes us successful.

There is no guarantee that with the highest achievement index or academic intelligence you will be successful, but how far can you absorb and think about the knowledge you have learned so far. In my opinion, the determining factor for success is the skills we have in working at the company.

  Sometimes one would wonder if anything come out for this school, the answer is yes and no. Yes because, without education, there are some level of mingling with people that'd be disrupted because you won't be able to blend in to their level of intelligence and understanding. Yes you may be able to communicate but there's a level of the communication you won't be able to get to with them. The answer is no because, the situation of things right now makes it so obvious that education isn't just the answer. Personally I'd advise that even in the process of acquiring educational knowledge, also acquire vocational knowledge. No one kill owls when any of these knowledges would be handy.
   Another point is, currently securing official jobs is difficult and everyone basically wants to strive to make money and be an average boss of himself. This is where business comes in, you can't start a business you don't have knowledge about. They won't give you this knowledge in the school setting, it's you as a person that'd have to go outta your way to acquire it and lay a good foundation for yourself in that field if you want to venture into it.
It doesn't dispute the fact that  education doesn't give income, whichever way, and in some cases, it does give income and in some other cases, it doesn't. So one just has to create a balance.
On one side, formal education is essential to social and intellectual mixing. Not simply academic brilliance, but exposure to other beliefs, cultures, and ideas. This exposure broadens one's horizon, enabling meaningful conversations and deeper connections. Also, consider soft talents like teamwork, leadership, and critical thinking. Isn't education nurturing these? Any social or professional engagement requires them.

But your 'no' reflects the reality many face. Vocational skills are growing essential. Think about it: they connect theory and practice. Education provides the tools, but occupational skills teach you how to use them. This method prepares for employment market uncertainty. And yes, academic knowledge alone rarely launches a successful business. It requires practical experience, market knowledge, and occasionally heavy knocks. It's about applying theory to practice to manage today's complex environment. Isn't that a more complete way to improve yourself and your career?

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November 15, 2023, 01:30:20 PM
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That's why we have to be self employed. We can't rely on the government anymore. I have seen many multiple degree holders to try and get a decent job. But no success. Later they same person made a business of his and became a entreprener. It was hard, he had to start small, build everything from scratch but he was successful at the end. Rather than relying on your government or degree we should rely on our skills. That's why a student should always obtain other set of skills along with his skills. That way, he won't be left away.
Building a business definitely requires a lot of preparation which we will have to do because if we don't prepare well of course we won't be able to run it well, but if we can run it well of course this is better than working for the government which only has an income according to the position we put.

I agree with your opinion, if students must have expertise in the field they want because they cannot necessarily rely on the educational degree they have to earn the income they want.

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November 15, 2023, 01:42:52 PM
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Academics can pave the way for knowledge which will let you get financially stable, but just having degrees will not be enough in the current competitive era. But skipping the basic education is definitely not acceptable because that is the place where you get basic skills along with many other things but there are some kind of conspiracies there from influencers who keep pushing people who don't have to study at all and its a waste of time, blah blah.









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November 15, 2023, 11:39:18 PM
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I want to know if getting more degrees can make life financially better because I come from a country where there are no jobs and I have seen people that the only thing they can do in life is to read books, get more degrees, and attain all these degrees yet no still go job for them with good pay. Do think people who read in a region with slim job opportunities are doing the right thing?
Sorry to say but we people are so ignorant we mix education with the salary or job. Getting a higher education does not mean that one day you will get a high-salary job no that's wrong. Education is something like you can aware of the things that are happening, how they work, and how to live your life like a human being, not like an animal. But today humans are toys working like a machine and living like animals sorry to say. Just looking to people who waited how to scam people how to steal someone's whole life income, from where they are getting because pure education did not teach all this. Let's come to the topic I have gone so far from the topic. If someone wants to make money by achieving a high class of education then it is wrong he needs to change his mind and that education is not for earning money. Education is something like a key to inventing new things for the betterment of the human race. Just a few centuries back, the old scientists and philosophers worked for betterment and they did not charge like a single coin(that time currency). If someone wants money then do some side job with his education and if there is Bitcoin then there is no need to seek jobs. I am sure you guys will not mind my words if you do I apologize for it.
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November 16, 2023, 03:15:33 AM
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Academics can pave the way for knowledge which will let you get financially stable, but just having degrees will not be enough in the current competitive era. But skipping the basic education is definitely not acceptable because that is the place where you get basic skills along with many other things but there are some kind of conspiracies there from influencers who keep pushing people who don't have to study at all and its a waste of time, blah blah.
Is not an influencer, but this is often said at seminars by mentors who have successful businesses, with some limitations. These folks use their luck as a marketing technique, targeting those who are not keen on learning knowledge to buy seminar tickets. The thing is, everyone's luck is different, and you can't just copy someone else's luck. I really dislike speakers who say, 'School isn't important, education is just a formality, blah blah blah.' They can say that because they were lucky to find a business that suited them and became successful right away.

If we want to be like them, I'm pretty sure the chances of success are very low... but if we're willing to work on improving our education and basic knowledge, starting with literacy, speaking, reading, language, and so on, at least our communication skills will be better than theirs... this makes us more confident in what's called making an effort to get better job opportunities or businesses.

Only 1:1000 un-educated people succeed and becoming the richest man. Meanwhile, the richest people in the world usually have good privileges, making it easier for them to achieve their business goals. Yes, the richest people don't work as employees... they run businesses and invest.
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November 16, 2023, 03:57:20 AM
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I want to know if getting more degrees can make life financially better because I come from a country where there are no jobs and I have seen people that the only thing they can do in life is to read books, get more degrees, and attain all these degrees yet no still go job for them with good pay. Do think people who read in a region with slim job opportunities are doing the right thing?
Sorry to say but we people are so ignorant we mix education with the salary or job. Getting a higher education does not mean that one day you will get a high-salary job no that's wrong. Education is something like you can aware of the things that are happening, how they work, and how to live your life like a human being, not like an animal. But today humans are toys working like a machine and living like animals sorry to say. Just looking to people who waited how to scam people how to steal someone's whole life income, from where they are getting because pure education did not teach all this. Let's come to the topic I have gone so far from the topic. If someone wants to make money by achieving a high class of education then it is wrong he needs to change his mind and that education is not for earning money. Education is something like a key to inventing new things for the betterment of the human race. Just a few centuries back, the old scientists and philosophers worked for betterment and they did not charge like a single coin(that time currency). If someone wants money then do some side job with his education and if there is Bitcoin then there is no need to seek jobs. I am sure you guys will not mind my words if you do I apologize for it.
Many people mistakenly believe that schooling is solely for financial gain. Isnt school meant to make individuals smarter, better understand the world, and improve society? Material ambitions have disregarded knowledge for its own sake. Can we rethink education to help everyone progress, not just individuals?

Look at this: schooling should inspire new ideas, not just money. The issue is linking education to money, not financial stability. Why not promote a view that learning creates change and improves society? This move may revive the spirit of philosophers and scientists who sought knowledge to assist humanity, not profit.

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November 16, 2023, 04:15:42 AM
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If you got a good degree that's going to get you a high paying job like IT related jobs or engineering jobs then you can expect that you will be getting enough income that will sustain you and more but you have to be really good at this jobs though and you need to be smart and good at forming and making connections with people so you can maximize the potential that you can climb the working ladder of your chosen field of work. The name of the university that you're going to graduate can be a factor too but don't hold on too much on that factor. If you are not doing fine but you can still pull a job then that's probably the time that you need to start hustling and finding other means to make more money.



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November 16, 2023, 07:16:46 AM
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Only 1:1000 un-educated people succeed and becoming the richest man. Meanwhile, the richest people in the world usually have good privileges, making it easier for them to achieve their business goals. Yes, the richest people don't work as employees... they run businesses and invest.
This is what I missed to address and thanks for bringing it out.

Rich people have a backup system even if they fail so they can afford to skip school but they can get the knowledge from someone in their family because their contacts can be wide but someone who is in the middle class can't go behind their passion because if they fail then it's their end, there will be no revival from it is possible that is why we see many intellects living an average life while some crazy YouTuber makes millions in month.









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Actually, in my view, education is the process of forming a person's identity or mindset and our ability to form rational thinking patterns in dealing with problems. Indeed, in an era like now, education is indeed important, so our education while at school does not make us able to do everything in our daily lives successfully. but that school gives us an understanding of the thought process in everyday life in earning income, That thought process is what actually makes us successful.

There is no guarantee that with the highest achievement index or academic intelligence you will be successful, but how far can you absorb and think about the knowledge you have learned so far. In my opinion, the determining factor for success is the skills we have in working at the company.

  Sometimes one would wonder if anything come out for this school, the answer is yes and no. Yes because, without education, there are some level of mingling with people that'd be disrupted because you won't be able to blend in to their level of intelligence and understanding. Yes you may be able to communicate but there's a level of the communication you won't be able to get to with them. The answer is no because, the situation of things right now makes it so obvious that education isn't just the answer. Personally I'd advise that even in the process of acquiring educational knowledge, also acquire vocational knowledge. No one kill owls when any of these knowledges would be handy.
   Another point is, currently securing official jobs is difficult and everyone basically wants to strive to make money and be an average boss of himself. This is where business comes in, you can't start a business you don't have knowledge about. They won't give you this knowledge in the school setting, it's you as a person that'd have to go outta your way to acquire it and lay a good foundation for yourself in that field if you want to venture into it.
It doesn't dispute the fact that  education doesn't give income, whichever way, and in some cases, it does give income and in some other cases, it doesn't. So one just has to create a balance.
On one side, formal education is essential to social and intellectual mixing. Not simply academic brilliance, but exposure to other beliefs, cultures, and ideas. This exposure broadens one's horizon, enabling meaningful conversations and deeper connections. Also, consider soft talents like teamwork, leadership, and critical thinking. Isn't education nurturing these? Any social or professional engagement requires them.

But your 'no' reflects the reality many face. Vocational skills are growing essential. Think about it: they connect theory and practice. Education provides the tools, but occupational skills teach you how to use them. This method prepares for employment market uncertainty. And yes, academic knowledge alone rarely launches a successful business. It requires practical experience, market knowledge, and occasionally heavy knocks. It's about applying theory to practice to manage today's complex environment. Isn't that a more complete way to improve yourself and your career?

Yes, its not really just that like for the sake on having some degree but also having that kind of awareness in lots of things because having no exposure or even learning with the basics in life then you would really be just like looking a clown in todays society or era. We do know that there are really things which needs to be learned which could only be gained on having a degree but of course just like on the rest been saying that everything could really be learned but its not really that something recommended or suggested that you shouldnt really be taking one because having one would really be that always recommended but it will really be
just that depending on someones goals and targets.

Having more income? We cant really be that rich on just having that day job working and this is why we do really consider out on having some other source of income whether having another job or would really be building up some business or having some investment on which it is really that something that you would really be able to have that  chance on getting rich once it would really be able to succeed.
We wont really know unless we do try and this is why its never been that ideal or something that right that you should really be that easily get discourage on the time that you
would be experiencing some failures.

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I really want know if getting more degrees can make life financially better because I come from a country where their are no job and I have seen people that the only thing they can do in life is to read books, getting more degrees attaining all these degrees yet no still go job for them with good pay. Do think people who read in a region with slim job opportunities are doing the right thing?

Most people who go for more degrees believe they can get better job at the end of the day. People that only go for more degrees in a stare with high unemployment rate are they doing right thing by putting all their focus on academic because this is the only thing they can do best.

Sadly teachers may not get paid what they deserve but it can also be hard to be a great teacher because of all the pressures put on them these days. They have to deal with lack of discipline with sometime inadequate tools to police their students and the digital age has made attention spans ever shorter to name two of the problems they face, but technology has also enabled improvements in a lot of schools which is a big positive. Let's face it though, very few teachers, unless they reach the very limited position of head teacher, will ever be getting paid as much as the private sector but in many countries they can get fairly good and subsidized state pension contributions, which can somewhat offset the lack of earning potential.

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I really want know if getting more degrees can make life financially better because I come from a country where their are no job and I have seen people that the only thing they can do in life is to read books, getting more degrees attaining all these degrees yet no still go job for them with good pay. Do think people who read in a region with slim job opportunities are doing the right thing?

Most people who go for more degrees believe they can get better job at the end of the day. People that only go for more degrees in a stare with high unemployment rate are they doing right thing by putting all their focus on academic because this is the only thing they can do best.

Sadly teachers may not get paid what they deserve but it can also be hard to be a great teacher because of all the pressures put on them these days. They have to deal with lack of discipline with sometime inadequate tools to police their students and the digital age has made attention spans ever shorter to name two of the problems they face, but technology has also enabled improvements in a lot of schools which is a big positive. Let's face it though, very few teachers, unless they reach the very limited position of head teacher, will ever be getting paid as much as the private sector but in many countries they can get fairly good and subsidized state pension contributions, which can somewhat offset the lack of earning potential.
In speaking about differences in terms of salaries and other correlated concern such as this then it would really be basing or  depending on economical aspect on a certain country or place.
Some might be compensated or well paid and some of them arent really that getting that much benefit or really that worth of the hard work that they've been doing. This is why they dont really have no choice
but to deal with it but we know that things could really be that be improved if we do make out other steps for us to enhance our income which it would really via investment or business.

Its not easy as if you would really be needing to have that kind of capacity on doing so. We do need capital which is commonly the most important thing and since we are really
just that earning sufficient or really that enough then it would really be a challenging thing.So it would really be just that depending on how serious you are
on trying to change up things for the better.

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November 16, 2023, 10:07:08 PM
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If you got a good degree that's going to get you a high paying job like IT related jobs or engineering jobs then you can expect that you will be getting enough income that will sustain you and more but you have to be really good at this jobs though and you need to be smart and good at forming and making connections with people so you can maximize the potential that you can climb the working ladder of your chosen field of work. The name of the university that you're going to graduate can be a factor too but don't hold on too much on that factor. If you are not doing fine but you can still pull a job then that's probably the time that you need to start hustling and finding other means to make more money.
This may only occur if the degree holder knows the pratical expect of his/her discipline very well. I have seen a lot of persons with high level of qualifications, consisting of various degrees, working in a furn or organization and after working for like two to three months they were laid off because they lack the technical know - how, while some lack experience. You know some companies would not want to jeopardize their business by allowing in experienced persons to work for them

The road to academic excellence never ends. People who work so hard to bevome an academia, do it because they have passion for it and not because of income. While going on the journey, a person will need money to pay bills and tuition fees. This is why on the road to academic pursuit people do fall to chase money and forget about what they wanted.

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November 16, 2023, 11:18:56 PM
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Agree with you, despite of having so many degree, what is the value of that degree where people are unemployed. A man certainly needs academic education but he must be involved in service in some way or else he will fail in leading his life. That is, if he cannot show himself in any economic work, then he will not get the real value of that education. A student must set his own goals by deciding in advance what he will do and what he will focus on after his studies. It should be remembered that education rate is increasing all over the world but employment has not increased accordingly. Of course academic degree is required but it never guarantees money income.

That's why we have to be self employed. We can't rely on the government anymore. I have seen many multiple degree holders to try and get a decent job. But no success. Later they same person made a business of his and became a entreprener. It was hard, he had to start small, build everything from scratch but he was successful at the end. Rather than relying on your government or degree we should rely on our skills. That's why a student should always obtain other set of skills along with his skills. That way, he won't be left away.

Everyone has their own way of life, it is not possible for everyone in this world to be self-employed, there must also be a balance so that competition can be controlled well, but education is still very important, you will not be able to earn decent money if you don't have a degree. good and also broad knowledge, however knowledge is a strong weapon for people to be able to face all the possibilities that occur in life. Being a government worker isn't too bad, but if you hope to get rich from the jobs provided by the government, you have to throw that desire away because it will never happen.



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November 17, 2023, 04:03:31 AM
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Only 1:1000 un-educated people succeed and becoming the richest man. Meanwhile, the richest people in the world usually have good privileges, making it easier for them to achieve their business goals. Yes, the richest people don't work as employees... they run businesses and invest.

Yes. That's an example of Model 1 is at my place. A businessman can't read, but mathematics in terms of arithmetic is extraordinary. those are the strengths and weaknesses. At least typical people like the entrepreneurs above are people who work and are focused and on average successful because along the way they find wisdom.

It's natural that they have privileges, if those who have knowledge have more value, they also have disadvantages. most think even though it is necessary.

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