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[tempuser364]

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Can you disclose the BIN for this card?

I honestly have no idea and I don't really care. So far I haven't had any problems with any transactions, and like most virtual cards, this one was issued in HK. Some people from the US have reported problems with paying on some US based sites, but this is because they reject cards issued in HK.

Well if you have the card, can you just give the first 6-8 numbers ?

It will provide a lot of useful information. If it's a debit, credit or prepaid card and who and where it's issued.

[alani123]

Be aware that anything relating to card transactions is not private by any means.

This is from the TOS of goblin cards:


And even if the cards provider has no such terms, then also visa and MasterCard impose such limitations.
Even if you don't get caught by this data collection that effectively makes these cards non anonymous,
Then also they're electronic payment mediums that are always tied to the same number and your history can be traced with more physical methods such as looking at your face through a camera.

Long story short, don't fall for the marketing.
The prepaid MasterCard sold on supermarkets is cheaper, more anonymous and even more convenient than these shits.
Generally though it's better to go with cash and avoid any and all visa/MC products.

[OmegaStarScream]

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I definitely do see the concern here but I doubt anyone would care, as long as their personal identity cannot be linked (directly) with those transactions. The use of VPNs, and a phone number that's not linked to one's identity should cover most of the potential risks here I would imagine.

And another thing: I think one should always assume that these information are being collected whether the provider mentions them or not.

[alani123]

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I definitely do see the concern here but I doubt anyone would care, as long as their personal identity cannot be linked (directly) with those transactions. The use of VPNs, and a phone number that's not linked to one's identity should cover most of the potential risks here I would imagine.

And another thing: I think one should always assume that these information are being collected whether the provider mentions them or not.

If you order a physical card, how can it NOT be linked to your physical identity?
The provider will share your home address the same way the central bank would.

The moment a financial provider doesn't follow a single information request they risk shut downs and losing their customer base. It's not a hill worth dying on for them.

Edit just to add: I agree most people won't care but maybe they should. Just spreading the word to say my point is these insane fees on "anonymous" cards probably aren't worth it.

[Lucius]

Well if you have the card, can you just give the first 6-8 numbers ?

It will provide a lot of useful information. If it's a debit, credit or prepaid card and who and where it's issued.

Yes, of course, I will share with you my address and anything else you are interested in

I already wrote to you that the card was issued in Hong Kong, like most similar virtual cards these days. If you want more details, you have two options - the first is to ask the admin in the group (Telegram), or to buy a card and check it first hand.

[rat03gopoh]

If you order a physical card, how can it NOT be linked to your physical identity?
The provider will share your home address the same way the central bank would.

I've never used a crypto-specific Visa or MC cards ordered online.
However, I'm curious at what point a service would require physical identification if they were offering a privacy/non-KYC card. After reading about Goblin, they only require a crypto deposit, which then automatically reflects the real-time balance in fiat.

[alani123]

If you order a physical card, how can it NOT be linked to your physical identity?
The provider will share your home address the same way the central bank would.

I've never used a crypto-specific Visa or MC cards ordered online.
However, I'm curious at what point a service would require physical identification if they were offering a privacy/non-KYC card. After reading about Goblin, they only require a crypto deposit, which then automatically reflects the real-time balance in fiat.

Since the card is delivered to your address, authorities can just email goblin to have that information.

If in a certain country goblin cards start being used in any noticeable way I'm sure authorities will likely make that inquiry. And why would goblin refuse to answer and risk their business. With the address a card was sent to it's easier to identify each holder of a card behind the transactions. You only need to be identified once. Afterwards the same card is linked to you jn perpetuity. So this can also be done by getting shipping records if you shop from remote merchants.

[tempuser364]

Well if you have the card, can you just give the first 6-8 numbers ?

It will provide a lot of useful information. If it's a debit, credit or prepaid card and who and where it's issued.

Yes, of course, I will share with you my address and anything else you are interested in

I already wrote to you that the card was issued in Hong Kong, like most similar virtual cards these days. If you want more details, you have two options - the first is to ask the admin in the group (Telegram), or to buy a card and check it first hand.

The 6-8 first numbers of a card is known as BIN. Don't really understand why you won't share it with the community here, it's not private at all and is somethng totally different than your address.. Kind of odd.
Could you go to https://www.bincodes.com/bin-checker/ , type it in, and copypaste the result here?

[OmegaStarScream]

Since the card is delivered to your address, authorities can just email goblin to have that information.

If in a certain country goblin cards start being used in any noticeable way I'm sure authorities will likely make that inquiry. And why would goblin refuse to answer and risk their business. With the address a card was sent to it's easier to identify each holder of a card behind the transactions. You only need to be identified once. Afterwards the same card is linked to you jn perpetuity. So this can also be done by getting shipping records if you shop from remote merchants.

I would imagine that someone who would go for such an expensive card, would not find a problem in paying a package forwarding company to hide his tracks even further but that would be against the card provider itself, not law enforcement who are targetting 1 specific user since package forwarders would have your real address.

[alani123]

I'll concede that there are some niche use cases where the thin veil of privacy offered by these cards might be worth it over other solutions but they're still pretty expensive and still risky.

So people not knowing what they're doing should look up information other than the marketing alone when making a purchase and/or choosing to pay these high fees.

[rat03gopoh]

Since the card is delivered to your address, authorities can just email goblin to have that information.

If in a certain country goblin cards start being used in any noticeable way I'm sure authorities will likely make that inquiry. And why would goblin refuse to answer and risk their business. With the address a card was sent to it's easier to identify each holder of a card behind the transactions. You only need to be identified once. Afterwards the same card is linked to you jn perpetuity. So this can also be done by getting shipping records if you shop from remote merchants.

The destination address doesn't fully reveal physical identities, does it? After all, they explicitly list the information they can gather, so I don't believe they would compromise the trust of their users (let's say hundreds if they're popular enough) by sending information outside of their terms though I don't want to be naive, as they also state on the same page: "no electronic transmission or storage method is 100% secure, and we cannot guarantee absolute security."

[Lucius]

Since the card is delivered to your address, authorities can just email goblin to have that information.

If in a certain country goblin cards start being used in any noticeable way I'm sure authorities will likely make that inquiry. And why would goblin refuse to answer and risk their business. With the address a card was sent to it's easier to identify each holder of a card behind the transactions. You only need to be identified once. Afterwards the same card is linked to you jn perpetuity. So this can also be done by getting shipping records if you shop from remote merchants.

Today, packages can be ordered in a PO Box or redirected in various other ways so that the sender does not know your real address or any other information that can be linked to you. Of course, by using the card, the user reveals some things about himself, but considering that this is a physical card, it is logical to withdraw cash to an ATM and then spend it without leaving a trace of your IP address anywhere.

Also, if you want to stay under the radar, then you won't withdraw crazy amounts even if the card allows it, and it's also important to know in which country the card was issued. The card in question is issued by a bank in Mexico and, as far as I know, is already in someone's name.

It is obvious that behind everything are people who have good connections with banks and local financial agencies, which means that this card is probably a cheaper version of those physical cards that one member has been selling on the forum for years and which cost 1000 + EUR for one year of use.

The matter is very simple, first they find someone desperate enough to go to the bank and open a bank account in their name, and then for a fee they hand over the card and PIN to those who sell it to someone else.

[alani123]

Man if I have to set up drop boxes just to order a debit card the cost-benefit doesn't seem worth it.
People will say that these are the costs you have to take for your privacy but I don't buy it.

The mere concept of using a debit card is privacy-killing. Thankfully cash is still accepted everywhere and also since the market of crypto has widened there's more supply for trading crypto for cash in person. In terms of opsec, this is much more private.

Having to spend for your privacy is worth it for some thing but spending a premium to use a VISA, a payment method that makes your spending traceable, doesn't sound like something that's worth it.

I'll say it again that I understand there might be some niche use-applications, these cases can also be satisfied with visa/mastercard giftcards most supermarkets around the world stock, which can be used without KYC and bought for cash... And if these aren't available somewhere maybe the "anonymous" debit cards offered can be a solution.

But in any case, the marketing is largely deceptive so people getting these cards should really exhaust all other options before just to be informed consumers.

[rat03gopoh]

Gnosis pay experienced a security breach related to their delay module. Many X commenters reported being unable to withdraw any funds, but one of the founders assured that affected users would be fully compensated. Keep in eye.

By the way, when I access their site, my browser performance becomes extremely slow. I don't know if this is just me or if it's happening to everyone.

https://x.com/i/status/2061372038628196356
https://x.com/i/status/2061362219984568719

[dkbit98]

I don't know what you are expecting... literally all debit and credit cards are recording your transactions and IP addresses of purchase.

I definitely do see the concern here but I doubt anyone would care, as long as their personal identity cannot be linked (directly) with those transactions. The use of VPNs, and a phone number that's not linked to one's identity should cover most of the potential risks here I would imagine.

This is true, but that is not important if you had physical card delivered with your real name or your home address.
Alternative is to have card delivered on different address and name, this should be possible if they are sending cards in regular letter form.

Gnosis pay experienced a security breach related to their delay module. Many X commenters reported being unable to withdraw any funds, but one of the founders assured that affected users would be fully compensated. Keep in eye.

They claimed this was non-custodial card...yeah right 

[NotATether]

Gnosis pay experienced a security breach related to their delay module. Many X commenters reported being unable to withdraw any funds, but one of the founders assured that affected users would be fully compensated. Keep in eye.

FFS!

I remember reading on their homepage several months ago that their smart contract was "very secure, was audited several times and has never experienced a breach in its history".  

By the way, I invented a method to programmatically find and discover new cards from X. It doesn't happen automatically when you load a page, but it's something I run.

Finding the correct card images is still a major pain in the ass though, which unfortunately I have not been able to fully solve.

Crypto.com cards were never meant to be on the featured carousel on the front page, it was always supposed to be a template until I collected all of the Web3 cards.