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November 26, 2023, 06:51:53 PM
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What am I talking about? Well, at least once you must have stumbled upon a stream where someone plays slots. These streams are normally sponsored by the casino that hosts the games. They pay the streamer a salary and even fund his account. So the casino knows who the streamer is, what his account is and when he'll be playing.

I agree with you!

In fact, to attract the public's attention, it's not enough to have a lot of money in your account and be a famous streamer... you need to earn more money than you lose and this, unfortunately, is not something that is mathematically possible to do at any and all times. when we are talking about games like slot machines in which luck and probabilities control much more of the income than the gambler's own skill.

I don't even watch these broadcasts because I know that the vast majority of them are manipulated, either by the bettor who is broadcasting or by those who are sponsoring the broadcast.
Obviously not all streamers act in bad faith, I know that there are honest betting broadcasts, but it is becoming increasingly difficult to find them.

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November 26, 2023, 06:56:59 PM
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Well any casino platform engaging in this is definitely not being genuine, yes I understand many Casino platforms are looking for ways to attract potentials customers to their platform but using this dubious means (faking winnings) would crash in the long run.
Also I think intending customers should look more on the features the gambling site has and how genuine they are rather than looking an the high amounts of previous winnings that has been encountered in the platform.
One thing I learned from online is never trust anyone that says anything. I only believe what I see. I don't trust these so called streamers. Anything they do mostly for money. Nothing is free these days, especially anything online. So how can we expect that a streamer will promote a business free of cost? I thing we have our answers there. They are doing this for money. As for the winnings they can be fake or rigged as the platform already knows of the streamer.

It's all for promotional purposes, and believing them is unwise. The only way we should follow these streamers is by watching them play. Fine, if we can learn through their strategies. They play those games for the marketing of the casino. Viewers join the casino believing that they'll win like the streamer, along the line they'll get disappointed and lose out all they've wagered. That's where the confusion begin to emerge. And players begin to wonder if the casino manipulate those wins they see on streaming channels. It's certain and proven by streamers that those casinos pay them whooping amount in USD to stream games, due to multitude of views they get. Those viewers become too inquisitive that, they forget to do the necessary required research, before playing games on the casino. The whole process of viewing streamers gamble, isn't favorable anymore. Newbies are being milked, and the market is still growing. Therefore, more people would still fall for this kind of marketing. It's not bad on the side of the casino, to pay for marketing. But, viewers should be wise enough to choose the right casino, instead of jumping on any casino, fresh, to be precise, because it's been promoted by a streamer. Questions about manipulated results, is as a result of players having in mind that gambling would yield them easy wealth, like the streamers. So, when they try it out to no avail, they get disapointed and begin jeering about the rigged system, being in favor of streamers. 

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November 26, 2023, 08:59:01 PM
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We've probably all seen streamers win big, while obviously playing to promote a casino. I'm glad you're trying to make people aware of this situation, but it's only for newbies. Most hardened players know what's going on and it's not only at slots. They often play other games and get these high wins. Often it's not because they're set up somehow by the casino, (cheating) but because they know they'll get their money back if they lose, so they make big bets with no regrets and bet high, often scoring high wins.

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November 26, 2023, 11:54:43 PM
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Well any casino platform engaging in this is definitely not being genuine, yes I understand many Casino platforms are looking for ways to attract potentials customers to their platform but using this dubious means (faking winnings) would crash in the long run.
Also I think intending customers should look more on the features the gambling site has and how genuine they are rather than looking an the high amounts of previous winnings that has been encountered in the platform.
One thing I learned from online is never trust anyone that says anything. I only believe what I see. I don't trust these so called streamers. Anything they do mostly for money. Nothing is free these days, especially anything online. So how can we expect that a streamer will promote a business free of cost? I thing we have our answers there. They are doing this for money. As for the winnings they can be fake or rigged as the platform already knows of the streamer.

It's all for promotional purposes, and believing them is unwise. The only way we should follow these streamers is by watching them play. Fine, if we can learn through their strategies. They play those games for the marketing of the casino. Viewers join the casino believing that they'll win like the streamer, along the line they'll get disappointed and lose out all they've wagered. That's where the confusion begin to emerge. And players begin to wonder if the casino manipulate those wins they see on streaming channels. It's certain and proven by streamers that those casinos pay them whooping amount in USD to stream games, due to multitude of views they get. Those viewers become too inquisitive that, they forget to do the necessary required research, before playing games on the casino. The whole process of viewing streamers gamble, isn't favorable anymore. Newbies are being milked, and the market is still growing. Therefore, more people would still fall for this kind of marketing. It's not bad on the side of the casino, to pay for marketing. But, viewers should be wise enough to choose the right casino, instead of jumping on any casino, fresh, to be precise, because it's been promoted by a streamer. Questions about manipulated results, is as a result of players having in mind that gambling would yield them easy wealth, like the streamers. So, when they try it out to no avail, they get disapointed and begin jeering about the rigged system, being in favor of streamers. 
On the time that you would really be watching these streamers then you should really make yourself that pretty aware on how things works and you should be that realistic.
Never ever make yourself having those kind of reflection in terms of on how they do win because on the time that you would be doing that then it would really be creating
that kind of desperation on trying out to achieve on what they are achieving. THis is something that you would really be needing to be careful because or else then you
would betting just like a mad man. You will really be pushing up yourself on doing things which arent supposed to be done.

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November 27, 2023, 03:02:57 AM
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BAck couple of years ago there was also a streamer it more like he youtuber that got paid not from a casino but from the option trading. I mean option trading is considered gambling in my opinion. so it turned out he get the account also from the provider so he can win such a big money since this a youtuber and not livestream but the account can be manipulated by the provider.

Streamer wins seem too good? Yes because they basically play without worries losing money and ending up getting paid to do so

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November 27, 2023, 03:30:33 AM
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BAck couple of years ago there was also a streamer it more like he youtuber that got paid not from a casino but from the option trading. I mean option trading is considered gambling in my opinion. so it turned out he get the account also from the provider so he can win such a big money since this a youtuber and not livestream but the account can be manipulated by the provider.

Streamer wins seem too good? Yes because they basically play without worries losing money and ending up getting paid to do so

It's sad to think that they will do anything just to have money and income even if it means manipulating and cheating other people who believes in their claims. Well, I understand that this is a part of surviving in life, At least we are aware now that not everything we saw and watched in social media and any sites is not true. As you've said, streamers and youtubers has been using an account provided by the gambling agency not their personal registered account, which is kinda shady because right there you will know something is different and suspicious, this is just speculation and has yet to be proven that the account they have been used is manipulated by the provider.




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November 27, 2023, 03:47:45 AM
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Streamer wins seem too good? Yes because they basically play without worries losing money and ending up getting paid to do so

Except from that obvious fact, their account were also programmed/designed to win more than it losses all the time. It's one way of enticing the followers to deposit and gamble with that specific gambling platform.
Though there are also YouTubers who were doing gambling reviews and trying them out, but you can actually differentiate what's paid and what's not. Most especially when a YouTuber were constantly uttering the name of the gambling platform and inviting people to gamble there using their invite codes. Therefore, they will not only earn from the casino's payment from endorsing and the advertising content, but also with the referral codes that has been used by his followers.

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November 27, 2023, 03:55:54 AM
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BAck couple of years ago there was also a streamer it more like he youtuber that got paid not from a casino but from the option trading. I mean option trading is considered gambling in my opinion. so it turned out he get the account also from the provider so he can win such a big money since this a youtuber and not livestream but the account can be manipulated by the provider.

Streamer wins seem too good? Yes because they basically play without worries losing money and ending up getting paid to do so

It's sad to think that they will do anything just to have money and income even if it means manipulating and cheating other people who believes in their claims. Well, I understand that this is a part of surviving in life, At least we are aware now that not everything we saw and watched in social media and any sites is not true. As you've said, streamers and youtubers has been using an account provided by the gambling agency not their personal registered account, which is kinda shady because right there you will know something is different and suspicious, this is just speculation and has yet to be proven that the account they have been used is manipulated by the provider.


Well this is all about marketing and why not the streamers may do all they can to make themselves money ? I know it is ethically wrong if a streamer is promoting a scam platform or even if he is showing big wins to his viewers while actually you will not get those big hits while you actually gamble on those sites.

Being a gambler, it is our duty to know about the working of these streamers and even if they are showing unrealistic winnings and high volume of bets, we should not be influenced by them and must not repeat the same things. We should know that the streamers are making money by all these things and if we try the same, we can lose our money to the gambling sites.

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November 27, 2023, 01:39:07 PM
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BAck couple of years ago there was also a streamer it more like he youtuber that got paid not from a casino but from the option trading. I mean option trading is considered gambling in my opinion. so it turned out he get the account also from the provider so he can win such a big money since this a youtuber and not livestream but the account can be manipulated by the provider.

Streamer wins seem too good? Yes because they basically play without worries losing money and ending up getting paid to do so
That's one of the saddest thing about online environment. Almost everything is either fake or manipulated. It's a way of social engineering. They are feeding these kinds of things into our brain to believe these shits. Many of them in fact fall victims to these. If you love a player or a Celebrity or a youtuber or any internet people you automatically believe everything he says, despite it's legitimacy. If my favorite youtuber said, "Avoid this X Person, he is a scammer", I would have believed him without any question. The thing is we are so fond of these people we turn a blind eye to the other person's story, only believing our beloved persons story. Sad but true.
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November 27, 2023, 01:59:13 PM
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BAck couple of years ago there was also a streamer it more like he youtuber that got paid not from a casino but from the option trading. I mean option trading is considered gambling in my opinion. so it turned out he get the account also from the provider so he can win such a big money since this a youtuber and not livestream but the account can be manipulated by the provider.

Streamer wins seem too good? Yes because they basically play without worries losing money and ending up getting paid to do so
That's one of the saddest thing about online environment. Almost everything is either fake or manipulated. It's a way of social engineering. They are feeding these kinds of things into our brain to believe these shits. Many of them in fact fall victims to these. If you love a player or a Celebrity or a youtuber or any internet people you automatically believe everything he says, despite it's legitimacy. If my favorite youtuber said, "Avoid this X Person, he is a scammer", I would have believed him without any question. The thing is we are so fond of these people we turn a blind eye to the other person's story, only believing our beloved persons story. Sad but true.
Even people do see those legit things but doubts or simply people do have that trust issues on which you can't really blame them of, shady doings and unfair things turns out to be that severe here on online world. So expect that majority will be having that kind of approach or views. Anything which is really that looks too good to be true are things which should really be putting us on doubt.
Streamers are been just hired for them to make some exposure and spending up tons of money on the time that they do gamble sounds really that not believable. Of course they are funded
and winning rate or chance is just that pure luck or coincidence but hey, we dont know if they are really that doing something in behind.

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November 27, 2023, 02:04:57 PM
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BAck couple of years ago there was also a streamer it more like he youtuber that got paid not from a casino but from the option trading. I mean option trading is considered gambling in my opinion. so it turned out he get the account also from the provider so he can win such a big money since this a youtuber and not livestream but the account can be manipulated by the provider.

Streamer wins seem too good? Yes because they basically play without worries losing money and ending up getting paid to do so
That's one of the saddest thing about online environment. Almost everything is either fake or manipulated. It's a way of social engineering. They are feeding these kinds of things into our brain to believe these shits. Many of them in fact fall victims to these. If you love a player or a Celebrity or a youtuber or any internet people you automatically believe everything he says, despite it's legitimacy. If my favorite youtuber said, "Avoid this X Person, he is a scammer", I would have believed him without any question. The thing is we are so fond of these people we turn a blind eye to the other person's story, only believing our beloved persons story. Sad but true.

I really doubt this is possible according to his example that happened via option trading. Price of a certain asset is available in public which means there’s no way to manipulate the result unlike in gambling which everything is random true the use of RNG software.

Having a demo account with fake balance is the only way to deceived their viewer via option trading but manipulation the result is really not an option.

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November 27, 2023, 02:16:10 PM
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Yes no other than all the activities carried out by the stremers I think 80% are just nonsense, why? because their luck looks like excessive, I can't figure out how they can get a very large number of wins every time they gamble on the streming they air, it seems impossible but it does happen. In fact, there are not a few people who follow the way like the stremers but the results are not suitable, maybe you have tried it and have the same fate as other tryers who are still unlucky. In my opinion don't get too carried away with what you see, the first thing that is more important and that you must understand is that gambling is always nothing more than luck, it's very simple, if you are lucky then you will win and vice versa, and also if you see the luck and victory of the stremers as unreasonable then you don't need to follow it.

I understand that everyone has their own luck with a certain win rate but you should be suspicious and wary of the excessive luck that casinos get, even if I turn into a stremer I'm not sure I will be as lucky as them. And also yes it's better to gamble properly, gambling with the intention of having fun is better and also always apply a lot of restrictions for your safety.

Slot is one type of gambling that uses a machine. And the name of the machine can be arranged in such a way as to be able to give victory to slot gambling streamers, so this is not a surprising thing, why slot gambling streamers can win up to many times and make no sense, which is very different from when we do this gambling.
And the purpose of the streamer is none other than so that they can attract as many customers as possible to visit the gambling platform that sponsors it. And what slot gambling stremers are after are novice players or people who are new to gambling. While people who have been playing gambling for a long time, are not their target, because players who have been gambling for a long time, must already know about how the slot gambling algorithm and system works. And if someone already knows but still plays slot gambling, if they are not stupid enough, it means they are experiencing slot gambling addiction.

With your statement, I'm honestly getting suspicious of what's behind the stremers, and it seems like I've found a few indications after reading your statement here. It is true that slot gambling seems to be manageable, because if it is not manageable then it is quite impossible to get lucky in a row with a very large amount in each session they do. I'm going to say that because the winnings they get are very odd, and it's possible that they are one of the stremers chosen by the casino to do promotions and that means that the gambling they do is set by the casino with a greater percentage rate of winnings compared to some gamblers who purely rely on pure luck.

As you said the impressions of the stremers are only to attract more audiences to play on the sites they promote, it makes more sense. Now it is quite clear and we can conclude to be the reason why the stremer can always get an unexpected victory very easily. Therefore, especially for beginners, you should not be easily tempted by what the stremers do on their streming, it's just nonsense and lies, if you don't believe it, just try it, it really doesn't work at all.

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We've probably all seen streamers win big, while obviously playing to promote a casino. I'm glad you're trying to make people aware of this situation, but it's only for newbies. Most hardened players know what's going on and it's not only at slots. They often play other games and get these high wins. Often it's not because they're set up somehow by the casino, (cheating) but because they know they'll get their money back if they lose, so they make big bets with no regrets and bet high, often scoring high wins.
But there are still many who believe that such things are real because in the end this is pushed like reality even though it is for those of us who have been in gambling for a long time, this is just a spectacle with a lot of drama in it.
I personally until now still watch some streams in gambling but not as a reference that it can be done because in the end we also know that it is just a promotional event in order to attract new people but I watch this just as a spectacle and entertainment because in real gambling I rarely bet with large amounts and winnings that always occur in every spin purchase.

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November 27, 2023, 03:36:42 PM
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Streaming is one of the ways casinos promote their businesses just like any other business and yea! Most of these streamers are actually being paid by these casinos. They play very 'magical' games and go home with very huge wins , thereby convincing the gullible public into playing these games with the hope to win too of which luck doesn't always shine on the public just like it shines on the streamers' sides.

This can be a very exciting thing to watch and if not controlled,  one will greedily spend all he has hoping to win but end up going home empty. One needs to be careful with this beautifully decorated promotions, be careful enough to ensuring that your emotions do not leading into gambling away your hard earned money. At all times,  gamble responsibly.

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November 28, 2023, 08:55:59 AM
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We've probably all seen streamers win big, while obviously playing to promote a casino. I'm glad you're trying to make people aware of this situation, but it's only for newbies. Most hardened players know what's going on and it's not only at slots. They often play other games and get these high wins. Often it's not because they're set up somehow by the casino, (cheating) but because they know they'll get their money back if they lose, so they make big bets with no regrets and bet high, often scoring high wins.
Well, mostly or maybe all the time, the streamers that are streaming to promote a certain casino platform have their balance topped up by the casino or they are using fake money or even if it's not fake, it's not theirs and they are just using it for the streams. They just have the balance to play the games and entertain the audience and also show the audience that they can win big by playing certain games at this particular platform so that those who are watching get interested and join the platform and start gambling.

So, they play without fear or regrets because they have nothing to lose, and nor does the casino platform because the money that is lost goes to them and the money that is won by the streamer isn't going to the streamer since they have a fixed contract and the streamer gets paid according to that contract.

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November 28, 2023, 09:11:39 AM
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BAck couple of years ago there was also a streamer it more like he youtuber that got paid not from a casino but from the option trading. I mean option trading is considered gambling in my opinion. so it turned out he get the account also from the provider so he can win such a big money since this a youtuber and not livestream but the account can be manipulated by the provider.

Streamer wins seem too good? Yes because they basically play without worries losing money and ending up getting paid to do so

It's sad to think that they will do anything just to have money and income even if it means manipulating and cheating other people who believes in their claims. Well, I understand that this is a part of surviving in life, At least we are aware now that not everything we saw and watched in social media and any sites is not true. As you've said, streamers and youtubers has been using an account provided by the gambling agency not their personal registered account, which is kinda shady because right there you will know something is different and suspicious, this is just speculation and has yet to be proven that the account they have been used is manipulated by the provider.


Well this is all about marketing and why not the streamers may do all they can to make themselves money ? I know it is ethically wrong if a streamer is promoting a scam platform or even if he is showing big wins to his viewers while actually you will not get those big hits while you actually gamble on those sites.

Being a gambler, it is our duty to know about the working of these streamers and even if they are showing unrealistic winnings and high volume of bets, we should not be influenced by them and must not repeat the same things. We should know that the streamers are making money by all these things and if we try the same, we can lose our money to the gambling sites.
Well you have a point, As if they have a choice since it's their way to make a money. This topic shows us what's the real deal behind streamers promotion and it helps a lot for those newbie in gambling industry.
I agree with you that being keen and observant is our responsibilities as a gambler and we need to accept that they are doing that because it is part of their job.



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November 29, 2023, 11:35:28 AM
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Streaming is one of the ways casinos promote their businesses just like any other business and yea! Most of these streamers are actually being paid by these casinos. They play very 'magical' games and go home with very huge wins , thereby convincing the gullible public into playing these games with the hope to win too of which luck doesn't always shine on the public just like it shines on the streamers' sides.

I many times think that why streamers win more often then us if the game is random and provably fair.
there is something we/I don't know about these games are manipulable? I have seen many times when i play dice after winning something the die always go to opposite side causing me to lose.
because of these I will not gamble anymore and if wanted too then will play with so little amount.
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November 29, 2023, 11:57:45 AM
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Streaming is one of the ways casinos promote their businesses just like any other business and yea! Most of these streamers are actually being paid by these casinos. They play very 'magical' games and go home with very huge wins , thereby convincing the gullible public into playing these games with the hope to win too of which luck doesn't always shine on the public just like it shines on the streamers' sides.
That is why I find these streamers especially the big ones to be deplorable and at worse downright money hungry because they promote gambling in their big platform where there are a lot of people that might be influenced and there is probably children watching their streams. Although some of the streamers I have seen already learned to do disclaimers about what they are doing but even still, I still find it weird that they do it, probably because the money offered is just too damn expensive for them to pass up. Regarding their wins, they are probably playing at a different version of the casino where only the streamers are allowed so they can do unbelievable wins that a normal player might not be able to do.



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I've also asked myself all that, and I think that's something that Only they know, I personally think so, because a stramer earns a lot of money, and the casinos pay very well, and if they reach very remote communities and Communities, well , That is beneficial for a casino, I could think that if I see a streamer playing, as I have seen, it is difficult for them to win, there are some who lose, and the system behaves normally as if we were playing , it seems to me that it is something fair in their system, maybe the treamers in that oemtno because they enjoy having good luck and win, it could be what the situation is, it could be that things are done for the better, but personally I would think that things are very given to accept anything, I am one of those who think that a streamer will always be people who have money , because they will influence you, and even though now Twitch has so many restrictions, which seems inappropriate to me, because the caisno is not the fault of those who do and don't do ls live, because it is the Error of the platforms that saw their rules, not of the casinos.

I would think that an industry as large as casinos, games of chance, sports betting can be very relevant in everything, I would say that an influencer is somewhat Responsible if before playing he says the main things about a casino, that they say that the casino is just for having fun, you only have to put in the money you are willing to lose , you Should not Spend more than what you are committed to, and a casino will always have the house advantage for the best profit , It is advisable to go and withdraw to enjoy the profits, it is the best thing that can be done, of course I am one of those who think this way because I have seen many cases where the Person wins a lot in a casino and bets it, it is a mistake because What most of them do is lose a lot , and sometimes they lose all the money and have to take Out their own money to continue Playing.

The gambling world is totally different one,it had stremer and they earn some money from the gambling site.The gambling site surely earn by conducting the game between the two players.The players should build the tactics to win the game,many people tell us the gambling was purely based on the luck.But the gambling based on the luck only if the game like lottery or lucky draw.But the game based on the prediction can be crack by using the tactics.So now you understand the money flow to the gambler and the other gambler based on the gambler who crack the tactics of the certain game.So the loser of the gambling site will be the person who do random betting in the gambling site.One research center wording was 80 percentage of the gambler was doing the random bets in gambling site.

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I always fell on many streamers, which I wanted to learn how Axie was Played , Always with some tutorials, alunas videos or something, What I have Always thought about and that this can be given based on the fact that we can do new things, I have always said The game Experience is taken is playing, you can know a lot of theory, but nothing like practice is somewhat infalible, in fact my Twitch Account was every time that I saw many streamers , some streamers gave the timely Equipment, but it was very difficult to enter, if he told me that there were other stremaers that otened that seeing socon eto, but those who were roups, what they played in slots , which gave me much more Interesting, because of this I Always always he  see more to see what they Applied to them, and no, nothing to do, by Appreciating what they were hugting , it was as if you play without any advantages or something.

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November 29, 2023, 04:06:53 PM
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Streaming is one of the ways casinos promote their businesses just like any other business and yea! Most of these streamers are actually being paid by these casinos. They play very 'magical' games and go home with very huge wins , thereby convincing the gullible public into playing these games with the hope to win too of which luck doesn't always shine on the public just like it shines on the streamers' sides.
That is why I find these streamers especially the big ones to be deplorable and at worse downright money hungry because they promote gambling in their big platform where there are a lot of people that might be influenced and there is probably children watching their streams. Although some of the streamers I have seen already learned to do disclaimers about what they are doing but even still, I still find it weird that they do it, probably because the money offered is just too damn expensive for them to pass up. Regarding their wins, they are probably playing at a different version of the casino where only the streamers are allowed so they can do unbelievable wins that a normal player might not be able to do.
How these streamers manage internet gambling is intriguing but frightening. Though legally covered by disclaimers, are they morally responsible? Hardly. Their effect is huge; their platforms blur entertainment and covert promotion. How ethical is it to show gambling, a potentially addictive pastime, to impressionable viewers, possibly minors? Additionally, "streamers-only" casinos are disturbing. If true, it exaggerates gambling's benefits. Not only is legality important, but so is integrity and the influence on spectators who may not understand these "unbelievable wins" Influence and transparent ethics are at stake, not disclaimers.

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