Streamer wins seem too good

[avp2306]

This is something I've tried to highlight to my friends that want to get  into gambling, but overall not many people seem to be aware.
What has your experience been? Has this affected you or your friends?

When gambling streams were newer, I was surprised how lucky they are and wondered if I could get the same returns when following their actions. In the end I mostly lost money following the strategies of streamers and stopped watching them for a while. Now I am watching them again, but only for entertainment purposes and I don't trust blindly what I am seeing. A few of my friends started to gamble more regularly after watching gambling streams, none of them made any big profits. It's hard to know what's going on behind the scenes and I feel like gambling influencers and streamers are getting special accounts by the casinos to promote their websites and casino games. If the money you gamble with is not your own you are much more open to take high risks.

Normally at early we would rather get curious more on how those streamers consecutively win on their bets made but when we experience to follow what they do we can figure out that result will not the same as they. And since there's a lot of claim that they are using demo accounts or the casino itself fund them then it give more clearer picture that those people are just doing that win just for a hype. That's why we shouldn't get attracted with huge gain they get since it seems that its been controlled by casino. Although not all streamers is faking their result since there are streamers who's still reliable and play real. But Majority is been paid that's why I never give weights on the gains they get since I just think about they do that for promotion and those big winnings are used for their followers to get interested to play at the casino they are promoting then try their luck to win the same.

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[Accardo]

I think that before we talk about the gleam and glamour of streamers winning big we should also talk about streamers losing big too. This is the part that is often downplayed. Okay. Now to the topic, what I would say about these streamers is that they play day in day out and at decent stakes. Remember that this is a job to them so they put the hours in as much as I love to play the slots I don’t have time to play like they do so will probably never see a big win in my life time as much as I would love one and I am understand that it  is not a problem.

We even had a thread here about one streamer losing a huge amount of money and thinking that the casino he played with was rigged, it's just speculation if we think that streamers are playing on a different platform for them to win, we have to prove that they are, but unless we cannot prove that, streamers win whether it may seem to good to be true are considered valid wins, what they are using may be sponsored money but to think that its rigged to the point that they make the streamers win is not the case.
Up until now there have been no expose or whistle-blowers that stated that casinos are making the streamers wins to gain more referrals if there are videos or testimonials then streamers will lose their reputation and they will be considered cheaters.

Yes the whistle blowers are not yet here to testify the claim, but the problem or argument began when the people whom they refer don't get such wins like the streamers. And from the look of things, if these streamers only won big, isn't it going to be suspicious on the viewers end. Hence, they'll also make it in such a way that they'll lose big too, to make it real and convincing. On the other hand, nobody cares if they lose huge amount, what gets the eyes of people is the huge amount of money they wager and the returns. Since, it's certain and proven that they work for the casinos, then nothing is wrong with the speculative ideas like what OP stated; being favored by the casino allowing them to win often than they lose. You can't for sure know what's happening behind the scene. The whole processes still boils down to marketing strategy. Who knows, they could be professional gamblers, but the results still looks fishy. Other professionals still complain that users don't get the kind of wins the streamers get, what would you call that? Added with the huge amount these casinos hand out to them, they gamble without any fear of losing out. Giving them confidence to take any prediction within their mind, which may turn out to be true. Aside that, being the possibility. I can't succumb to any other idea that's attached to their enormous wins, if not being on the favor of the casino.

[Outhue]

If you are a beginner, do not start gambling through streamers videos because you can easily get addicted to gambling, I just do gambling without knowing that casino streamers exists when I start gambling, and later watching streamers doesn't push me into making bad decisions, if I have no past experience about the dangers of gambling and I start watching casino streamers I will easily become a victim to my own greed, those casino streamers can make someone to get addicted easily.

I have not seen whereby a casino streamer make small gains on their stream, they always hit the numbers you couldn't after many times trying, and they hit the number ones or more, this is why it's suspicious to me, you don't want to get encouraged by streamers, you won't want to quit gambling until you have nothing left.

There are few numbers of legit streamers and you will see that they constantly lose money too, on par with the kind of experience you got while gambling, but some of them have abnormal result in gambling and I believe such games are not to be trusted.

[Z390]

Maybe you are right or maybe you are even wrong, because few people have claimed to have use the same casino that streamer use on their video and they played the same game as the streamer and they win good amount of money, someone on this forum also did the same thing, I read through his topic and it's very good example that not all streamers are unreliable, although gambling is a game of luck, and watching streamers online does not guarantee that you will have the same result.

When you watch gambling videos what are you planning to gain out of it? Learn some skills or you want to win like they do? It's true that some of them are winning on the videos and when you gamble the experience will be different, I actually don't have any problem with this because they are simply advertising the casino for the audience, it's a part of shilling the casino name and that's what they do for living, what do you expect?

Don't not put your hopes on live streams that you watch, always know that they are doing this for money, casino stresses are content creators by nature, everyone gets excited when they see the streamer hits highest payout rates, that's the goal of these streaming, create audience and make them fomo into gambling using that exact same casino.

[danherbias07]

I always look at gambling game streamers as advertisers only. What they do ain't real but they are showing the possible things that could happen although we should not be expecting that much in real money playing.
My max win up until now is x1500 and I never had the chance to receive way beyond that either in slots of other games that could surpass that number.
Streamers do surpass it and obviously, they are too good to be true so the chances of receiving the same multi-win as them are very low like playing the lottery with 0.000 something percent to receive the jackpot.
I can already see that just by playing Plinko, my record tells me I have 50k bets that were done in a single day, and yet I have not received the x1000 multi even once. It could take long or it could take short. It will depend on our luck.

[Marvelman]

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I am also not sure on the legality of some casino doing such thing, like increasing or messing with the chances of their sponsored streamer to attract more people to the casino, it sounds like something which is supposed to be disclosed so the casino won't get into legal troubles with the time, even if no one reads the disclosure.

I was watching this one streamer, Roshtein I think his name is.  He's supposed to be like, one of the biggest gamblers out there.  but lately it seems like he's not even trying with his whole act anymore. and  everything about him is so fake now. But I guess his fans don't care because they just blindly follow whatever he does. 

There was this one time where he forgot to switch off demo mode and you could literally see his fake cash balance on the screen! That was a pretty big giveaway because, as many pointed out later, you normally don't see your real balance when you switch to demo mode. I can't find that video now, it might have been deleted, but you can find a lot of references to it on youtube.

I dont know, in my opinion it feels like they're just exploiting their viewers to make money.  Because the more people watch them play, the more new suckers sign up and lose their money which just pads the streamers' profits.  It's messed up but I guess thats just how the gambling business works nowadays.

[Jemzx00]

When someone is streaming for a casino, they normally have a higher starting balance than the regular gambler and they can afford to take bigger risks. Even if they aren't taking the big gambles and playing a slot at a consistent dollar amount for hours, they are not getting juiced wins IMO. They are just playing more spins than the usual gambler.

Go watch trainwreckz and tell me he is always winning big cause all i see the guy do is lose money.

Exactly! With the sponsorship from the casino who provide with a significant amount of bankroll not including the funds that they've deposited, they'll be able to continue gambling for hours during streams and most of their are loses and they also hit jackpots which are highlighted on their channel to garner more viewers and subscribers.

However, I don't exactly think that all gambling streamers are honest as there some streamers who mostly wins and barely lose on most of their livestreams. Possibly some are rigged and some are not.

[Marvelman]

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Here's a video where Roshtein clicked on demo mode on stream.  It showed that his balance was the same fake money he had in demo mode! He was totally busted lying about playing with real money.  You can literally tell from the look on his face when he realized he slipped up. He was totally speechless and didn't know what to say because he knew he just exposed his whole scam.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6mOB0EmekM

[Sunderland]

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Dont forget that the streamers already prepare a decent balance (deposit+bonus) before they play, not fair if we compare their wining stats with ordinary users.
As we all know that to win on slots we need an awesome luck and keep playing to get the decent muliplier.
Streamers can Bonus Buy many times because of their fat balance, while the peasant like us perhaps only a few times.
Consider the streams as an entertainment only, its not our money after all.

Here's a video where Roshtein clicked on demo mode on stream.  It showed that his balance was the same fake money he had in demo mode! He was totally busted lying about playing with real money.  You can literally tell from the look on his face when he realized he slipped up. He was totally speechless and didn't know what to say because he knew he just exposed his whole scam.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6mOB0EmekM

Hehe it show that even a big guy such roshtein could be broke either. Easy Come and Easy Go, the art of gambling.

[m2017]

But personally, I mean that every streamer win is because they have large amount of money and in slot games there are games that can increase their chances of winning when they reach certain round, such as more than 5000 round and things like this happen lot.
I gambler who loves slot games and often manages to get fairly large multipliers when I reach more than 1000 to 2000 spins.
So maybe this is one of the influences on every streamer victory.

Based on the theory of probability, the more attempts (spins) you make, the higher the chance of winning something. But in the case of a casino, everything works a little differently and the longer you play (more spins), the more you lose and the higher the likelihood that you will be left with nothing. This is banal mathematics - RTP is below 100% (90-95%), which means that in the long term the player will lose money and it is on this principle that any casino rests.

What am I talking about? Well, at least once you must have stumbled upon a stream where someone plays slots. These streams are normally sponsored by the casino that hosts the games. They pay the streamer a salary and even fund his account. So the casino knows who the streamer is, what his account is and when he'll be playing.

If a streamer is essentially a freelance employee of a casino, then there should be zero trust in him and his main function is to attract new gamblers to their casino. If you succumb to his tricks (you want to win as a streamer and go to their casino), then he has done his job. Streamer is a new form of shill. Ignore them, because streamers create a false illusion that anyone can win like them, although the casino is probably playing along with the streamer (with the help of a high RTP).

[maydna]

I once watched a local streamer playing slots. In that slot game, he played Gates of Olympus and managed to win a lot of money. But they have had several big wins in a row, which has amazed people who watch the broadcast because it is very rare for someone to get several big wins in a row. But we also don't know whether the big win was purely due to luck or whether it was arranged in such a way to impress the audience. But that didn't have any impact on me because I knew if it was because of his luck, we shouldn't be jealous. After all, our luck with him would be different. We will not be able to achieve what he has achieved and vice versa. So it's better for us to enjoy what we see and not be influenced or we will be in danger.

[Eternad]

I once watched a local streamer playing slots. In that slot game, he played Gates of Olympus and managed to win a lot of money. But they have had several big wins in a row, which has amazed people who watch the broadcast because it is very rare for someone to get several big wins in a row. But we also don't know whether the big win was purely due to luck or whether it was arranged in such a way to impress the audience. But that didn't have any impact on me because I knew if it was because of his luck, we shouldn't be jealous. After all, our luck with him would be different. We will not be able to achieve what he has achieved and vice versa. So it's better for us to enjoy what we see and not be influenced or we will be in danger.

You are watching streamers just like how it was intended which is correct way of doing it. Many people are doubtful because they are venting their stress on their personal losses to streamers that winning and called it unfair while this streamers lose a lot too probably not recorded.

Streamers should be watch for entertainment purposes only and not a role model on gambling because everyone has different result due to luck is random same with the slot games result.

[Fortify]

I think this is something more people should be aware of. To begin with, it might seem like common sense to people in this board since most here are experienced with games and gambling platforms.
But to any new comer into the gambling scene it probably isn't as obvious.

What am I talking about? Well, at least once you must have stumbled upon a stream where someone plays slots. These streams are normally sponsored by the casino that hosts the games. They pay the streamer a salary and even fund his account. So the casino knows who the streamer is, what his account is and when he'll be playing.

The thing is, that these streamers get big wins so often that it seems very unlikely for their streaks to be happening at random.

We would know this as casinos say in their terms that playing with fun money does not incur the same level of randomness when playing with real money, which is really code for saying that fun money results to more flashy wins when you really can't win anything. So it's not unlikely that streamers are also getting some similar treatment as they don't play with their own money. This can attract their viewers to deposit and gamble with real money of course, but they'll very rarely get the same results.

This is something I've tried to highlight to my friends that want to get  into gambling, but overall not many people seem to be aware.
What has your experience been? Has this affected you or your friends?

It's a bit baffling that streaming sites even allow this sort of activity and there do seem to be periodic crackdowns against this type of slots gambling because it is too ripe for abuse as you've identified. There are very few people who could afford to play slots long term because it is engineered to be a losing game. It is very clear astroturfing by gambling companies but it can be very hard to prove, which is why they get away with it for so long. Plus there is the fact that any balance can be loaded into these casino sites by the site operator which wouldn't involve rigging much else.

[BitcoinPanther]

Yes, multiple ex-streamers have already confirmed that everything was staged and fake, orchestrated by the casino. You wouldn't believe how many people don't realize what's going on behind those paid streams.  The whole thing is sponsored by the casino, who funds the account and  makes those insane winning streaks possible. Those aren't really just dumb luck.  Its like they're playing a different game with special rules.  I think it's worth pointing out, but it doesn't seem like everyone has caught onto this other side of things yet.

It would be great if you have given the link where those ex-streamers exposed and admit that their streams performance are staged.  Probably I have not encounter streamers where their session is staged by the casino itself, since most of streamers I watched are even cursing the slots game they are playing because of their bad session.

I believe there is also some instances where a streamer sponsored by a casino often use a special link where the RTP is way higher than the normal slots game, but to prove such thing is somehow difficult because we do not access on that link and those who are involved on the scripted streams won't tell people about it unless they end up in a not so good relation with the casino they used to work with.

Everything is possible in an online stream, but I would say that not all streamers sponsored by a casino use such dirty method in luring people into gambling.

[Saint-loup]

Except few in-house games casino usually use third party providers. And streamers generally play well known slots. So if you were right, it would mean that large and reputed third party providers are also cheating people while they are supped to be certified and monitored by serious organizations. I don't think casinos need to do such conspiracies. They just need to fill streamers' balances with fun money and streamers just need to buy bonuses and play enough time to win some jackpots or high multipliers winnings.

[dezoel]

I've never been affected by this as I've always known that it's a simple marketing tactic by the casinos to hire streamers or content creators to play games on their platforms and either create videos or livestream the gameplay so that the audience can see and enjoy and eventually join their platform and gamble with them, and to make things as interesting as possible, they will probably do anything possible like reducing the volatility or increasing the RTP or even making streamers or content creators use demo money hence increasing the amount of wins.

People that watch these streams and get inspired by the wins and decide to try and achieve the same results should know that what happens in movies cannot be done in real life most of the times, and we should consider these streams and videos being movies which are mostly scripted just to entertain us and we are not supposed to follow them and try to achieve the same things like them.

[Hispo]

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I am also not sure on the legality of some casino doing such thing, like increasing or messing with the chances of their sponsored streamer to attract more people to the casino, it sounds like something which is supposed to be disclosed so the casino won't get into legal troubles with the time, even if no one reads the disclosure.

I was watching this one streamer, Roshtein I think his name is.  He's supposed to be like, one of the biggest gamblers out there.  but lately it seems like he's not even trying with his whole act anymore. and  everything about him is so fake now. But I guess his fans don't care because they just blindly follow whatever he does. 

There was this one time where he forgot to switch off demo mode and you could literally see his fake cash balance on the screen! That was a pretty big giveaway because, as many pointed out later, you normally don't see your real balance when you switch to demo mode. I can't find that video now, it might have been deleted, but you can find a lot of references to it on youtube.

I dont know, in my opinion it feels like they're just exploiting their viewers to make money.  Because the more people watch them play, the more new suckers sign up and lose their money which just pads the streamers' profits.  It's messed up but I guess thats just how the gambling business works nowadays.

One can indeed be against of that kind of policies and tricks taken by streamers to increase their number of viewers, though, since it does not seem to be illegal, then anyone who watches those streams is supposed to do it only as a way of entertainment and do not allow themselves to get carried away by the profits some streamers could get out a session.
Those who are more prone to be influenced into gambling because some streamer is being sponsored by a casino are the newbies within this gambling industry. It is almost the same one can see happening with cryptocurrencies, they choose to be guided by their favorite influencers to the coin their are supposed to buy, instead doing their own research, it is only that in the case it is about choosing a casino or game.

I wonder if there is some hidden clausule written by the streamer where he renounces all responsibility from people signing up in the casino and whatever he does is only supposed to be treated as entertainment.

[topbitcoin]

I don't really trust streamers, even though in their broadcasts they often win large amounts through their strategies and playing patterns. A gambling streamer is nothing more than a promoter trying to promote a gambling platform. and I don't believe in the winnings of gambling streamers, because the winnings seem to be made up and have been arranged in such a way as possible.
And actually in the world of marketing, this is fine to do as long as it doesn't violate existing rules.

And my wild assumption is that I think it would be better if a gambling platform carried out promotions only on a special platform that is far from the reach of underage children, such as the Bitcoin Talk forum. Because currently the promotions carried out by a gambling platform are like mushrooms that are scattered everywhere, including social media, where there are a lot of underage people. And regarding gambling streaming videos, this is something that should not be shown to minors, because this will have a negative impact on the child.

[swogerino]

I think this is something more people should be aware of. To begin with, it might seem like common sense to people in this board since most here are experienced with games and gambling platforms.
But to any new comer into the gambling scene it probably isn't as obvious.

What am I talking about? Well, at least once you must have stumbled upon a stream where someone plays slots. These streams are normally sponsored by the casino that hosts the games. They pay the streamer a salary and even fund his account. So the casino knows who the streamer is, what his account is and when he'll be playing.

The thing is, that these streamers get big wins so often that it seems very unlikely for their streaks to be happening at random.

We would know this as casinos say in their terms that playing with fun money does not incur the same level of randomness when playing with real money, which is really code for saying that fun money results to more flashy wins when you really can't win anything. So it's not unlikely that streamers are also getting some similar treatment as they don't play with their own money. This can attract their viewers to deposit and gamble with real money of course, but they'll very rarely get the same results.

This is something I've tried to highlight to my friends that want to get  into gambling, but overall not many people seem to be aware.
What has your experience been? Has this affected you or your friends?

I think the streamers win more often and that is normal because they play every single day with extended sessions since like you say that they are not spending real money from their own pocket,maybe a little but the majority of the money they spend is sponsored money or referral commission they make from the videos so as long as they are not spending real decent amount from their own money they can afford to be playing a lot of time and we know the longer we play the longer our chances to win in the slot machines,I know most people think the opposite while in fact it is the longer we play the longer the chance to hit something decent.Nothing to be surprised here.

[GxSTxV]

What am I talking about? Well, at least once you must have stumbled upon a stream where someone plays slots. These streams are normally sponsored by the casino that hosts the games. They pay the streamer a salary and even fund his account. So the casino knows who the streamer is, what his account is and when he'll be playing.

Exactly, I have came across several streamers that play in casinos in order to promote them, well there is two different opinions about this matter.
First, as long as the casino itself tells you to gamble responsibly, and you also are legally allowed to do without anyone forcing you to do. So, you shouldn’t get influenced by those streamers no matter what. They are only doing their job and creating content about gambling or trying a casino they didn’t invite you or force you to gamble.

Second, which is going to be the opinion of most users and people here. Streamers that get paid and shows their winnings are paid by the casino and beside that they have more probabilities and rates of winning than other regular players at the casino. That’s why we always see those streamers win most of the time just to seduce people into gambling.

It’s important to not get into gambling if you can’t control yourself and manage your money well.