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December 06, 2023, 01:54:19 PM
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This is exactly how some gamblers runs out of gambling budgets and goes bankrupt because they fails to figure what their net worth or incomes value is.

They are basically to believe one who lost $20 has lost more to them who looses $10.
A condolence winning? What the hell does that have to do in gambling? If you are playing your luck it means you accept the possible outcomes and then you proceed and not the other way round. This is not a competition where there will be a 1st, 2nd prize and the rest will get a consolation.

Never get emotional seeing a gambler lose money, it is their fault and they have to take the blame for the loss, not you. Never be sympathetic to a gambler's loss either. Many gamblers are trying to play the victim card and extracting money from others just to play more and repeat the cycle. This is the effect of gambling addiction.

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December 06, 2023, 02:34:43 PM
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I have seen some facial expression gamblers that I am emotionally touched about and feels they have loosed more than they can handle and feels they deserves an condolence winning. While I empathic with him his amount of lost, I am then to consoling myself that someone on here has lost more than I do.


That's a wrong approach to gambling, if a gambler is playing with money that he can afford to lose, there's no need to feel sorry for them, I don't want people consoling me about my losses, that's gambling if your approach to gambling is for entertainment purposes only and you're not looking to make money, you will feel offended if they console with your losses.
Don't show people that you are sorry for your losses, so people will not console you, whatever the outcome show them that you accept it whatever the result is.

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December 06, 2023, 10:19:54 PM
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I would say that most gamblers who lose a lot of money are not very good at mathematics. Not just to the point of not understanding concepts like House Edge, but at a more basic level, like not even knowing what their net worth is, as the OP comments. If we think about where the lottery sells more or where there are more betting houses, we see that it coincides not only with people who have less knowledge in general, but who are more needy, unfortunately, and resort to gambling as a quick way of escape (almost always unsuccessful).
Really you think so,  are you saying you have a mathematical formula that aids your winning always or are you just saying this to justify the reason why you should continue to gamble excessively thinking you may or are winning all the time,  this is the mindset of many of those who have lost heavily in the past,  thinking and relying on their ability to win all the time.

But in the end, they end up losing more than they thought and this is added by their overconfidence in their ability to make an accurate game analysis using mechanical tools to do that at most times.
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December 06, 2023, 10:29:12 PM
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I have seen some facial expression gamblers that I am emotionally touched about and feels they have loosed more than they can handle and feels they deserves an condolence winning. While I empathic with him his amount of lost, I am then to consoling myself that someone on here has lost more than I do.

This is exactly how some gamblers runs out of gambling budgets and goes bankrupt because they fails to figure what their net worth or incomes value is.

They are basically to believe one who lost $20 has lost more to them who looses $10.
It's just how it is in the gambling industry, most of us are losers. I don't think we should even count how much we have loss, we are all brothers when it comes to gambling, we feel each other and many of us ended up the same way as the other one. Very rare people can come out and testify about their gambling success because we all know that the losing percentage is way higher than winning.
That's why I don't joke about losses with other gamblers, you don't know when they are too sensitive about it because they might have just depleted a lot of money that day in gambling and they are not ready for any jokes yet.
A gambler who doesn't figure out his budget ain't a responsible one, worse, he could be a gambling addict which is why he is unable to control his gambling habit. I think those types of people will need some help from either their relatives, family or a specialist. Maybe that will help him to minimize the damage he is doing to his financial status.

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December 06, 2023, 10:47:40 PM
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So, comparing losses to someone else's own, before we stop gambling, is actually a bad practice as gamblers.

I so much agree with you on this very statement you just made above, because the fact that some people lose huge sums while gambling, at times that could be how much they are willing & could afford to lose, unlike if you are a newbie, and then you try to compare yourself with legend gamblers who has got enough funds and willing to risk any amount. Hence, trying to compare yourself or your budget with anybody else is the worst thing any newbie gambler can ever afford to do. Because just as our fingers are not the same, so is our financial strength not the same.
Comparison is not allowed in gambling and should be seen as one of the bad habits and no gambler should ever try source bad act,  because the outcome of this can be highly devastating and for that we can't either avoid group gambling or gambling with friends that may put us in a competitive position,  a lot of time we open to some of those act if we don't keep our gambling activities private and for such it's much more easier to avoid competitions as much as possible.

This kind of behavior is like buying more clothes in the mall because another person did. Gambling can be a utility and our goal should be focused on our personal experience. The newbies gambling with little or no strategies always try acts that sound unacceptable to the ear, just in the name of making more money. Then they end up losing out like the other player who they're copying or crosschecking their losses to suit theirs. Later they end up going home angry, and passing the wrong message about gambling. Helping the bad publicity, revolving around gamblers. When this player goes home to meet his wife or family, wouldn't they generalize that every gambler behaves in the same manner? Especially when the player is left with no other money, added to the anger written on his forehead. Whenever people around him hear you are a gambler they'll begin to compare you to their brother or husband that misbehaves after gambling. It's a very difficult niche that requires steady counseling to change the strange behavior of inexperienced, compulsive, and addicted gamblers.

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December 06, 2023, 11:06:32 PM
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I think it would be more accurate to make an evaluation or comparison by considering how much money a person loses in gambling compared to his/her financial situation rather than how much money he/she loses. Since everyone has a different financial situation, the 100 units that person A will lose may not be a very high amount for this person but the 50 units that person B will lose may be a high amount for this person.

When we analyze people who go bankrupt due to gambling, unfortunately we can see that these people don’t have good capital management and gaming discipline. In other words, it is clearly seen that many individuals who cannot control their emotions while gambling, who are greedy, who cannot manage their budget and who don’t have discipline often go bankrupt due to gambling.

As someone who has gone through the gambling addiction process before and managed to overcome it I think it is very useful for me to distance myself from the possibility of a gambling addiction that may occur again and the bankruptcy that may occur as a result by taking care to empathize with such people.
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December 06, 2023, 11:15:42 PM
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I have seen some facial expression gamblers that I am emotionally touched about and feels they have loosed more than they can handle and feels they deserves an condolence winning. While I empathic with him his amount of lost, I am then to consoling myself that someone on here has lost more than I do.

This is exactly how some gamblers runs out of gambling budgets and goes bankrupt because they fails to figure what their net worth or incomes value is.

They are basically to believe one who lost $20 has lost more to them who looses $10.

If the gambler who doesn’t able to accept the loss in the gambling site will possess same in the face.By the facial expression of the gambler,we can connect whether he had won or loss from the gambling site.To get the steady win from the gambling site,you should concentrate on the gambling site which top in the market.Because they doesn’t need your money to run the gambling site,So they allow the gamblers to make some win.Only thing is you need to crack their algorithm for the win from that gambling site.The gambler capacity was the reason for the impact by the loss of money 10 or 20$ to their monthly expenses.

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December 06, 2023, 11:35:20 PM
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Having sympathy and empathy towards ohers is a personality and there's nothing wrong with it. Let us leave things be; if you lose then it's not your day, than to associate it with other things.
I have seen some facial expression gamblers that I am emotionally touched about and feels they have loosed more than they can handle and feels they deserves an condolence winning. While I empathic with him his amount of lost, I am then to consoling myself that someone on here has lost more than I do.


That's a wrong approach to gambling, if a gambler is playing with money that he can afford to lose, there's no need to feel sorry for them, I don't want people consoling me about my losses, that's gambling if your approach to gambling is for entertainment purposes only and you're not looking to make money, you will feel offended if they console with your losses.
Don't show people that you are sorry for your losses, so people will not console you, whatever the outcome show them that you accept it whatever the result is.
They should know it more than anyone else; losing is a part of the game and that simply makes gambling, "gambling". Having regrets as well should not be a habit in this activity because if you tend to regret every amount you are losing, then you should quit already 'coz gambling is not for you. You are only expecting a positive outcome however it happened that gambling won't give you any assurance.

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December 06, 2023, 11:54:20 PM
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I have seen some facial expression gamblers that I am emotionally touched about and feels they have loosed more than they can handle and feels they deserves an condolence winning. While I empathic with him his amount of lost, I am then to consoling myself that someone on here has lost more than I do.

It is definitely normal to feel this way. We are humans and we share emotions with each other, thus, feeling empathetic to gamblers is a completely normal human thing to do.

On your last statement, that is somehow a dangerous precedent- this gives you the false hope that just because others lost more than what you did, this gives you the validation to gamble again. A loss is a loss regardless on how much value you have risked.

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They are basically to believe one who lost $20 has lost more to them who looses $10.

Technically, that is the truth but when you are in this space, a loss is a loss regardless of the value you have risked. Like what I mentioned, this is potentially dangerous as this kind of mindset can landslide by giving you false hope and rationalization. What I mean is this can compel you to gamble and match the losses of others instead of just calling it a day and trying again the near future.

Again, the initial reaction of gamblers when they lose is to gamble again by recovering such losses. Hopefully, this mindset changes as this can ultimately transition to a gambling spree.
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December 07, 2023, 12:07:49 AM
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That's a wrong approach to gambling, if a gambler is playing with money that he can afford to lose, there's no need to feel sorry for them, I don't want people consoling me about my losses, that's gambling if your approach to gambling is for entertainment purposes only and you're not looking to make money, you will feel offended if they console with your losses.
Don't show people that you are sorry for your losses, so people will not console you, whatever the outcome show them that you accept it whatever the result is.
They should know it more than anyone else; losing is a part of the game and that simply makes gambling, "gambling". [/quote]

Very true but the sad thing is even if the gamblers knows that it is a part of gambling, many are still hooked on the process forgetting things that enable them to gamble what they can't afford to lose.  Ending them to be remorseful of their action.  But what is sadder is that, after this kind of experience, they came back and still with the same reason, they over spend themselves and gamble the money that they can't afford to lose again and again and regret their action again and again.

Having regrets as well should not be a habit in this activity because if you tend to regret every amount you are losing, then you should quit already 'coz gambling is not for you. You are only expecting a positive outcome however it happened that gambling won't give you any assurance.

True that but for people who are already hooked or addicted, or trapped in their revengeful playing, and chasing losses, instead of quitting already, they tend to put more money into gambling making them think to have enough funds to recover all their losses and still end up with nothing.

In this kind cases, I believe a third party should intervene and help these gamblers to recover their sanity and goes back to reality and know that chasing losses should be avoided and when the time comes that regret is always there after gambling, should take a break or quit completely in order for them to avoid sever losses because this kind of people have problem with their self-control.

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December 07, 2023, 12:22:38 AM
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I have seen some facial expression gamblers that I am emotionally touched about and feels they have loosed more than they can handle and feels they deserves an condolence winning.
The only condolence winning prize I'm aware about in gambling is the called rakeback, which returns a tiny percentage of the total wagered amount by the gambler to himself. The more they wager, the more rakeback they receive from the casino. Of course it's never enough to cover the losses the gambler has faced, but it decreases the total loss a little, what I think it's exactly the definition of condolence prize or winning, in this case.

Anyway, condolence prize shouldn't be the focus of anyone in gambling. Losses and mistakes are useful as learnships gamblers acquire in order to not repeat the same actions again in the future. I just fear that if you reward someone when they lose, you are actually reinforcing that kind of behavior, meaning the individual will be highly suggested to repeat that same mistake again in the future, so he can receive another reward, and we don't really want that, right? Because it's just going to adapt the individual to a situation which is detrimental to him on long term.

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December 07, 2023, 01:09:05 AM
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I have seen some facial expression gamblers that I am emotionally touched about and feels they have loosed more than they can handle and feels they deserves an condolence winning. While I empathic with him his amount of lost, I am then to consoling myself that someone on here has lost more than I do.


That's a wrong approach to gambling, if a gambler is playing with money that he can afford to lose, there's no need to feel sorry for them, I don't want people consoling me about my losses, that's gambling if your approach to gambling is for entertainment purposes only and you're not looking to make money, you will feel offended if they console with your losses.
Don't show people that you are sorry for your losses, so people will not console you, whatever the outcome show them that you accept it whatever the result is.
Admit what is your faith in gambling , each time we must be proud of the outcome even if we  are continuously losing because what I do believe is this that it will save you from chasing losses because admittance is the key to not become an addict.

many gamblers tried to  hide their gambling activities and some hide that they are losing so the chance is they will look for chance to win that money back.

Losses is part of gambling and actually that is the faith of majority but yes there is also small winning so either you are in the winning side(that rarely to happen)or we are in losing side? admit it and better accept it with your heart and understanding.









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December 07, 2023, 04:45:19 AM
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Stop comparing about figures in gambling as we don't have the same financial capability.

Comparing a bet of $10 to $20 but someone who bet $20 are making $10,000 a month is not a high risk taker than someone who bet $10 but making only $100 per month. It's called irresponsible gambling if someone bet a big percentage of his income as it seem like he prioritizes gambling over the other needs, and usually this type of people are ones who suffers big defeat and stupid enough to blame gambling for the outcome.
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December 07, 2023, 05:20:22 AM
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I have seen some facial expression gamblers that I am emotionally touched about and feels they have loosed more than they can handle and feels they deserves an condolence winning. While I empathic with him his amount of lost, I am then to consoling myself that someone on here has lost more than I do.


That's a wrong approach to gambling, if a gambler is playing with money that he can afford to lose, there's no need to feel sorry for them, I don't want people consoling me about my losses, that's gambling if your approach to gambling is for entertainment purposes only and you're not looking to make money, you will feel offended if they console with your losses.
Don't show people that you are sorry for your losses, so people will not console you, whatever the outcome show them that you accept it whatever the result is.

Basically they should be able to gamble with the budget money they have, so they themselves will feel everything, also with the defeat there is no need to remember it or always remember, because gambling is not a place to make money, unless they are casino employees that can make money. And it should also be gambling just for entertainment not to make money, because the defeat will only be obtained with a greater chance of winning. If they gamble with the budget they have, they should be prepared to lose money in gambling.

That's what must be done, whatever the result we must be able to accept it, don't let other people mourn because this is not death, because this is a defeat made by ourselves. my principle is, don't feel sorry for other people, because other people don't necessarily care about us. I myself if I lose by gambling do not expect others to comfort me, because I know that the defeat is caused by us.

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December 07, 2023, 05:23:06 AM
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I have seen some facial expression gamblers that I am emotionally touched about and feels they have loosed more than they can handle and feels they deserves an condolence winning. While I empathic with him his amount of lost, I am then to consoling myself that someone on here has lost more than I do.

This is exactly how some gamblers runs out of gambling budgets and goes bankrupt because they fails to figure what their net worth or incomes value is.

They are basically to believe one who lost $20 has lost more to them who looses $10.
This is what will happen to gamblers who tried to cross into their limits due to greed. There are two sides of gambling, it is either you will win or lose. Understanding gambling might get you spare from massive loss or bankruptcy through setting your limits. Make fun of gambling not something else.



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December 07, 2023, 05:39:27 AM
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I have seen some facial expression gamblers that I am emotionally touched about and feels they have loosed more than they can handle and feels they deserves an condolence winning. While I empathic with him his amount of lost, I am then to consoling myself that someone on here has lost more than I do.

This is exactly how some gamblers runs out of gambling budgets and goes bankrupt because they fails to figure what their net worth or incomes value is.

They are basically to believe one who lost $20 has lost more to them who looses $10.
You don't have to compare yourself with someone else because our financial strength is not the same. Some people earn more than you so comparing yourself with them might make you go bankrupt. Some people's budget for gambling is more than my salary. I don't take solace in someone else loss because I don't know how much they earn or are worth.

Don’t be too caught up with some of the losses you see people take online. Many of those gamblers are paid to do what they do and their emotions aren’t always genuine. The ones that are and I’m sure there are plenty of them are likely heartbreaking to see, but that’s why people stream their gambling efforts, so they can receive gifts from those that watch.
I am trying to figure out whether people will be paid to publish their losses online. Was it to console people who have lost that they are not alone? Just this year many people have come on social media to ask for support after they lost funds that were meant for important things. Two students gambled and lost school fees and another used the fund that was budgeted for his wedding for gambling. Some of them got public backlash and sympathy, one of the students got a gift of school fees from a good Samaritan who won big in gambling.

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December 07, 2023, 05:47:27 AM
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Gamblers that want to make money will see money lost as losses. Gamblers that are having fun while gambling will see losses as nothing.

If I am gambling, it is just like I am wasting money on bear while paying for my friends to drink with me, but the fun I have and the good moment made it not as a loss. I see gambling this way.

If a friend is letting you know how he loss,  always try to encourage him and tell him not to be using the amount of money he can not afford to lose to bet. He should not see gambling as a way of making money.
The average person who counts their losses is a gambler who is looking to profit from their gambling, you can't go wrong with that argument from this perspective of a gambler comparing his losses or gains to other gamblers.

Again we see that many people make gambling as a place to make money, it is a mistake that will continue, and the scheme will eventually catch up with their losses so that they do not realize they are addicted to such a mindset.
I really regret this kind of thing, but it is their right, so I just laugh when they are told but reject the truth. Cheesy

In my opinion, do not see or remember the losses that have occurred with gambling,  because before gambling they should know that gambling is great, of course what is obtained is defeat not victory. And if they are like that,  it's better not to gamble if only to remember the losses that have occurred, because gambling is only for entertainment not to make money primarily.
we often see or read that Gambling is for fun and not to make money , but are you a gambler?
if yes then have you not expect to win when you gamble , or you are just nothing but commenting that does not
really understand what gambling is all about. because for how many years that people keeps calling gambling for
entertainment but does not really gamble in regular basis meaning they dont know what is gambling and for what really is.
And do you know what gambling is? And are you one of the gamblers who wants to win in your gambling activities, literally gambling is made as a place to make money, or multiply the money you bet in the casino, I personally do not deny that.

We are all people who declare gambling as fun, we know that, but we have a different perspective on gambling, I also used to use that view like you, but after I studied the victory in gambling is very small so it would be nice if you already have an interest in gambling is to make it a tool for your own entertainment or with your friends, because if the victory you are looking for it will make yourself impulsive towards gambling activities that can make you mess up for the rest of your life.

In the end, the gambling winnings we get from the gambling we do, are a bonus and do not consider the winnings a necessity that we must get from gambling.
 

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December 07, 2023, 07:05:41 AM
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I have seen some facial expression gamblers that I am emotionally touched about and feels they have loosed more than they can handle and feels they deserves an condolence winning. While I empathic with him his amount of lost, I am then to consoling myself that someone on here has lost more than I do.

This is exactly how some gamblers runs out of gambling budgets and goes bankrupt because they fails to figure what their net worth or incomes value is.

They are basically to believe one who lost $20 has lost more to them who looses $10.
This is what will happen to gamblers who tried to cross into their limits due to greed. There are two sides of gambling, it is either you will win or lose. Understanding gambling might get you spare from massive loss or bankruptcy through setting your limits. Make fun of gambling not something else.
The expressions will touch us on the faces of those who have lost a lot from gambling. But they should already know that gambling will result in victory or defeat. They can hope to win but it won't be easy. They will experience losses more often than they win.

They should be able to limit their gambling games if they don't want to experience a lot of losses. And actually, it is their own fault they don't want to limit their gambling games. We also can't do anything about them but we can advise them to stop immediately.

And only by limiting their gambling can they reduce the amount they lose. We must understand that gambling is not a way to make money. We can only use it as a way to get entertainment and nothing more.

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December 07, 2023, 09:20:47 AM
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And only by limiting their gambling can they reduce the amount they lose. We must understand that gambling is not a way to make money. We can only use it as a way to get entertainment and nothing more.
Yes, limit gambling and limit your budget so that you don't play beyond your limits. Sometimes people always gamble beyond their limits because they don't limit their gambling budget. That's why gamblers often play uncontrollably and spend a lot of their money until they lose consciousness and become bankrupt because an addiction they never knew they had.

If people want to think like that, consider gambling as entertainment, maybe they won't play recklessly and beyond their limits, of course they will choose to gamble responsibly, therefore, never gamble if you can't control yourself because gambling is not a place for you. looking for money, when you experience defeat you should stop playing, not continue the game which will result in big losses. that's what gamblers must understand.

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December 07, 2023, 09:22:36 AM
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this is the reason why some people here always say the importance of gambling responsibly, self control, commitment and considering gambling as entertainment and many more positive words are always discussed here because we remind each other gambling is the place to get what you think I mean gambling Its not what gamblers want who think about big wins from gambling, but gambling should be considered as a place to enjoy themselves when they have a little money left to have fun with the games they like.
and unfortunately all of this requires an adult mindset to consider gambling as just entertainment so that they will never feel disappointed with the money they have lost several times gambling because even though they lost a small amount of money, they got pleasure.

and if a gambler loses control betting more usually they only think about money and big wins and that is not very good.

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