How to self exclude from anonymous gambling sites

[livingfree]

But what's next if the days are passed and the gambler may now unlock the staking? It's possible that he may lose his appetite to gamble for that long and at the same time, he earned some.

It is a temporary solution for those gamblers who are experience craving for gambling recklessly in a seasonal manner, not all the time. I think.
It is quite similar to the classic method of self-exclusion casinos themselves offer to gamblers, casinos (specially online ones) won't self-excluse their gamblers forever, instead they will only lock them out for a limited period of time.
If one want to get self-excluded from casinos is a permanent way (both brick-and-mortar), one would need to get help from someone of high trust who would help one to handle finances, savings, expenses, cash. Etc, until the person has gone effectively through the healing process.

Yeah, it's just a temporary solution but maybe with the period that's set on the staking could give him sometime to reflect that he should just leave and forget about gambling.

A strategy that can help someone but might not do to the most.

Unfortunately, I do not think many problem gamblers in the making would be aware enough of their problems so they would rely their finances on a third party, even if it could help them.

I agree, they're unlikely to admit that they're problem gamblers and that's the hardest part when they can't accept that they're now part of the problem and needs some solution to it.

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[borovichok]

No matter how easy it seems some people can't stop gambling, it's more like a hobby for them and some it's already an addiction, but I am thinking of a less way risky way using your method, what if they stake for monthly returns and they use that for gambling only? What do you think?

They will still have their normal numbers of assets and they will use the gains on gambling, it makes sense as they are using free money to gamble instead of advising them to stay away, mind you, not all gamblers are into gambling because they don't have a job or ways to get passive income.

Some people who are getting paid every week and months are also into gambling, it's not as if lack of job is why everyone is gambling, but having a job is what makes gambling a easy something for me, as I already have good income stream and I am satisfied, but I am still into gambling because I just want to.

Stopping gambling? Not everyone knows the characteristics of gambling but I'm quite aware of those gamblers that place wagers on games, winning becomes so easy as long as you have a steady paying income, they just understands it's easy to grabbed significant opportunities and work on measures to tap out profits and reduce our losses. A profession is important for all being, it must be paying and earning from top grade to medium grades. Gambling is not bad as it seems, we have couple of gamblers that are top-notch in their profession, gambling is just extra job for us to start earning and producing change.

[Hispo]

But what's next if the days are passed and the gambler may now unlock the staking? It's possible that he may lose his appetite to gamble for that long and at the same time, he earned some.

It is a temporary solution for those gamblers who are experience craving for gambling recklessly in a seasonal manner, not all the time. I think.
It is quite similar to the classic method of self-exclusion casinos themselves offer to gamblers, casinos (specially online ones) won't self-excluse their gamblers forever, instead they will only lock them out for a limited period of time.
If one want to get self-excluded from casinos is a permanent way (both brick-and-mortar), one would need to get help from someone of high trust who would help one to handle finances, savings, expenses, cash. Etc, until the person has gone effectively through the healing process.

Yeah, it's just a temporary solution but maybe with the period that's set on the staking could give him sometime to reflect that he should just leave and forget about gambling.

A strategy that can help someone but might not do to the most.

Unfortunately, I do not think many problem gamblers in the making would be aware enough of their problems so they would rely their finances on a third party, even if it could help them.

I agree, they're unlikely to admit that they're problem gamblers and that's the hardest part when they can't accept that they're now part of the problem and needs some solution to it.

Though, I don't know if this has happened to you. But I have got the impression people on the internet are more ready to admit they are addicted to gambling or they have some sort of issue/problem than those I see face to face in real life buying tickets to play animal roulette or other games.
Even here in the forum I have see people to openly admit they have a problem with gambling and they are trying to work on it. It makes me wonder if those same people one see around on the internet would also admit their problems to others outside of the internet.
I guess it has something to do with the pseudo-anonymous feeling many of them have to admit their problems to strangers, in comparison to swallow their pride and say the same thing to their friends and family members. How knows? People can behave in strange ways when comes to struggling to addictions, there is no doubt about it...

[livingfree]

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Though, I don't know if this has happened to you. But I have got the impression people on the internet are more ready to admit they are addicted to gambling or they have some sort of issue/problem than those I see face to face in real life buying tickets to play animal roulette or other games.
Even here in the forum I have see people to openly admit they have a problem with gambling and they are trying to work on it. It makes me wonder if those same people one see around on the internet would also admit their problems to others outside of the internet.
I guess it has something to do with the pseudo-anonymous feeling many of them have to admit their problems to strangers, in comparison to swallow their pride and say the same thing to their friends and family members. How knows? People can behave in strange ways when comes to struggling to addictions, there is no doubt about it...

That's true, because they won't see anyone face to face and it's easier to talk to a stranger and admit that you're experiencing gambling problems than to someone you know personally.

You just can't trust someone you know personally to handle your problems or just by telling it to them so that you have someone on your back to assist you.

I think that we change based on the environment that we are in. We're not just comfortable to talk about it in real life and easier to talk it with some random forum members about the problem.

[Z_MBFM]

Instead of Atomic wallet, Trustwallet can be used. Trustwallet gives decentralized option while Atomic wallet has its own validator. Trustwallet has many validators and atomic wallet is part of them if they support the staked coin.

I prefer to use Keplr wallet which has been the best that I know. If the wallet support a coin that I want to stake, I prefer the wallet even than Trustwallet.

I can understand you, because gamblers would be discouraged to unstake their coins because the unstaking period can take up to a week or more.

Every Decentralized Wallet dApp provides option to browse from there you can connect the wallet to any web3 site and transact there with full privacy you can use Trust Wallet, Atomic Wallet, Metamusk and any other Decentralized Wallet. So far gambling platforms are mostly run on centralized platforms. so you will rarely see web3 casino sites in the market. Because of this no matter which wallet you use you must create one now on their casino site and perform KYC as required. So in this case no wallet can make you anonymous

[Lanatsa]

You can watch this video from 07:20 if you want to skip on the other parts:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxty2XhTwVI

Basically it's very simple.

You take a currency that requires 21 days for staking/unstaking, then you deposit this amount in Atomic Wallet, stake it and then you can't gamble with the crypto you're holding.

The locking (staking) is done with one single click of a button, and it's practically speaking, equivalent to activation of self-exclusion on an online gambling site with a click of a button (and yet not all sites offer it unfortunately).

For example, you stake (lock) $200 of your crypto, and that's all crypto available for you - then you can't play/gamble/risk it for at least 21 days ... do it 15 times a year time after time, and you would be excluded for a long time.

The only drawback with this method is Atomic doesn't offer this on USDT so some "gamblers" might not like this idea because they trust stablecoins more than other crypto coins, but this is FYI.

When it comes on making use of those staking as your way of self excluding yourself then it would be your choice but we know that not all staking set up or terms would really be that the same on which
there are ones who do have that anytime unlock period on which it would really be just that normal that there would be deductions. For those people or gamblers who had been wary for these different
staking terms and conditions then they wont really be that choosing into those who do have some lock up, unless if you are really that tending or having plans of this one in the first place then
its up to someones choice on which it isnt really that a bad option or kind of choice on having that self lock up of funds on trying to combat addiction.

Somewhat it would really be still that pointless if we do speak on trying out to solve out that addiction.Why? There would really be a specific time that you would
really be finding yourself that trying to look for another options on which you could really be able to play anytime that you do want.This is why
it would be pointless as long you do have that kind of intent on mind.

[BenCodie]

Someone who wants to do this for Bitcoin is probably better off learning how to use the timelock function. I just saw this thread talking about an easy way to timelock which is somewhat dated (2020/last verified around 2021) though seems to be a working method. It also seems safer than trusting Trust Wallet (Binance) or Atomic Wallet (not the cleanest reputation) with your coins by staking with them.

[Dunamisx]

Every Decentralized Wallet dApp provides option to browse from there you can connect the wallet to any web3 site and transact there with full privacy you can use Trust Wallet, Atomic Wallet, Metamusk and any other Decentralized Wallet. So far gambling platforms are mostly run on centralized platforms. so you will rarely see web3 casino sites in the market. Because of this no matter which wallet you use you must create one now on their casino site and perform KYC as required. So in this case no wallet can make you anonymous

There are decentralized gambling platforms as well that does not require for KYC, i think they can be the best to be used in achieving something about privacy or being anonymous in using a gambling platform, just that most gamblers were too used to the KYC casinos, i don't think if casinos wallet in general terms were all not anonymous wallets that we can use for our privacy or we should go far away from them.

[lionheart78]

Every Decentralized Wallet dApp provides option to browse from there you can connect the wallet to any web3 site and transact there with full privacy you can use Trust Wallet, Atomic Wallet, Metamusk and any other Decentralized Wallet. So far gambling platforms are mostly run on centralized platforms. so you will rarely see web3 casino sites in the market. Because of this no matter which wallet you use you must create one now on their casino site and perform KYC as required. So in this case no wallet can make you anonymous

There are decentralized gambling platforms as well that does not require for KYC, i think they can be the best to be used in achieving something about privacy or being anonymous in using a gambling platform, just that most gamblers were too used to the KYC casinos, i don't think if casinos wallet in general terms were all not anonymous wallets that we can use for our privacy or we should go far away from them.

But these decentralized gambling platform does not have a license to operate making our funds somehow more risk of losing, or the gambling platform running away with our funds or not allowing anyone to withdraw.

Enjoying privacy by playing on an unregistered platform or decentralized platform that is not "operating legally" may give us more trouble.  So better be careful when choosing to play in unregistered decentralized gambling platform.  Who knows when they will turn rogue and run with our money?

Anyway, whether the casino is known or anonymous, self exclusion can be done by anyone by simply quitting gambling and avoiding them for a certain period of time.  There is no need to lock our fund, it is more on self-discipline and control.

[TimeTeller]

Every Decentralized Wallet dApp provides option to browse from there you can connect the wallet to any web3 site and transact there with full privacy you can use Trust Wallet, Atomic Wallet, Metamusk and any other Decentralized Wallet. So far gambling platforms are mostly run on centralized platforms. so you will rarely see web3 casino sites in the market. Because of this no matter which wallet you use you must create one now on their casino site and perform KYC as required. So in this case no wallet can make you anonymous

There are decentralized gambling platforms as well that does not require for KYC, i think they can be the best to be used in achieving something about privacy or being anonymous in using a gambling platform, just that most gamblers were too used to the KYC casinos, i don't think if casinos wallet in general terms were all not anonymous wallets that we can use for our privacy or we should go far away from them.

But these decentralized gambling platform does not have a license to operate making our funds somehow more risk of losing, or the gambling platform running away with our funds or not allowing anyone to withdraw.

Enjoying privacy by playing on an unregistered platform or decentralized platform that is not "operating legally" may give us more trouble.  So better be careful when choosing to play in unregistered decentralized gambling platform.  Who knows when they will turn rogue and run with our money?

Anyway, whether the casino is known or anonymous, self exclusion can be done by anyone by simply quitting gambling and avoiding them for a certain period of time.  There is no need to lock our fund, it is more on self-discipline and control.

If you will avail such service, you really have to consider the reputation of the decentralized platform.
Because those staking days, they got a hold of your tokens/funds, so you can't do anything if something goes wrong in their site.
Some licensed casinos though are offering such feature, but if you are very determined with this move, you can already implement it on yourself.

[paxmao]

No matter how easy it seems some people can't stop gambling, it's more like a hobby for them and some it's already an addiction, but I am thinking of a less way risky way using your method, what if they stake for monthly returns and they use that for gambling only? What do you think?

They will still have their normal numbers of assets and they will use the gains on gambling, it makes sense as they are using free money to gamble instead of advising them to stay away, mind you, not all gamblers are into gambling because they don't have a job or ways to get passive income.

Some people who are getting paid every week and months are also into gambling, it's not as if lack of job is why everyone is gambling, but having a job is what makes gambling a easy something for me, as I already have good income stream and I am satisfied, but I am still into gambling because I just want to.

Of course, there are people who will addicted, but possibly to anything to be honest: videogames, sitcoms, gambling, tobacco, other stuff... but that does not mean that it cannot be controlled by following some steps but it is the will of the people that matters and people rarely take the first step which is accepting that they are not fully in control of some stuff.

[wallet4bitcoin]

You can watch this video from 07:20 if you want to skip on the other parts:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxty2XhTwVI

Basically it's very simple.

You take a currency that requires 21 days for staking/unstaking, then you deposit this amount in Atomic Wallet, stake it and then you can't gamble with the crypto you're holding.

The locking (staking) is done with one single click of a button, and it's practically speaking, equivalent to activation of self-exclusion on an online gambling site with a click of a button (and yet not all sites offer it unfortunately).

For example, you stake (lock) $200 of your crypto, and that's all crypto available for you - then you can't play/gamble/risk it for at least 21 days ... do it 15 times a year time after time, and you would be excluded for a long time.

The only drawback with this method is Atomic doesn't offer this on USDT so some "gamblers" might not like this idea because they trust stablecoins more than other crypto coins, but this is FYI.

How they say that ideas are telepathic!

While you're busy brainstorming on a particular thought in another part of the world, same time, another person who assesses that same frequency of thought is assessing the same idea also, the variation is just standpoints based on experience which is characterised by usage.

Similar idea dropped in my head but its on the Eth chain. Using smart contract lock feature regularly used on lp pool to lock your funds for a period of time.

Currently, I don't see the existence of a dedicated lock application for crypto in particular wallets

[joeperry]

So what are you saying is that locking your funds to stake to avoid using it in gambling sites. I personally think that was a good idea, a similar idea is having a ledger and stake your coins inside the ledger (As they have a feature like that) in that way, it would be hard for you to deposit or use your wallet because:

1. You need to physically plug your Ledger and manually open it (which is very hassle)
2. You also need to manually approve transactions within the ledger

The only thing I am not sure is that whether there's something like locked stake features like in Atomic wallet or not. The benefits you can get from this method is that you'll not lose your money to gambling but earning more instead with staking (Not unless the crypto crashes).

[rodskee]

No matter how easy it seems some people can't stop gambling, it's more like a hobby for them and some it's already an addiction, but I am thinking of a less way risky way using your method, what if they stake for monthly returns and they use that for gambling only? What do you think?

They will still have their normal numbers of assets and they will use the gains on gambling, it makes sense as they are using free money to gamble instead of advising them to stay away, mind you, not all gamblers are into gambling because they don't have a job or ways to get passive income.

Some people who are getting paid every week and months are also into gambling, it's not as if lack of job is why everyone is gambling, but having a job is what makes gambling a easy something for me, as I already have good income stream and I am satisfied, but I am still into gambling because I just want to.

Stopping gambling? Not everyone knows the characteristics of gambling but I'm quite aware of those gamblers that place wagers on games, winning becomes so easy as long as you have a steady paying income, they just understands it's easy to grabbed significant opportunities and work on measures to tap out profits and reduce our losses. A profession is important for all being, it must be paying and earning from top grade to medium grades. Gambling is not bad as it seems, we have couple of gamblers that are top-notch in their profession, gambling is just extra job for us to start earning and producing change.

Can we stay on the topic please ? because this topic is for Self excluding and not about your
sentiments about gambling opportunity and advantages , so lets work on how we can help other gamblers to be safe
in their activities at least in short time that they will not spend a single amount , that would be a big time for them
to have a thinking to what must be the next step and may consider resting longer from gambling when they are
free from betting?

So what are you saying is that locking your funds to stake to avoid using it in gambling sites. I personally think that was a good idea, a similar idea is having a ledger and stake your coins inside the ledger (As they have a feature like that) in that way, it would be hard for you to deposit or use your wallet because:

1. You need to physically plug your Ledger and manually open it (which is very hassle)
2. You also need to manually approve transactions within the ledger

The only thing I am not sure is that whether there's something like locked stake features like in Atomic wallet or not. The benefits you can get from this method is that you'll not lose your money to gambling but earning more instead with staking (Not unless the crypto crashes).

thats two best thing also to lock the funds and completely have no chance to withdraw for a certain time.

[bettercrypto]

Instead of Atomic wallet, Trustwallet can be used. Trustwallet gives decentralized option while Atomic wallet has its own validator. Trustwallet has many validators and atomic wallet is part of them if they support the staked coin.

I prefer to use Keplr wallet which has been the best that I know. If the wallet support a coin that I want to stake, I prefer the wallet even than Trustwallet.

I can understand you, because gamblers would be discouraged to unstake their coins because the unstaking period can take up to a week or more.

Every Decentralized Wallet dApp provides option to browse from there you can connect the wallet to any web3 site and transact there with full privacy you can use Trust Wallet, Atomic Wallet, Metamusk and any other Decentralized Wallet. So far gambling platforms are mostly run on centralized platforms. so you will rarely see web3 casino sites in the market. Because of this no matter which wallet you use you must create one now on their casino site and perform KYC as required. So in this case no wallet can make you anonymous

That's true; most casinos now actually require kyc, and from what I can see, other gamblers are gradually accepting to just submit kyc instead of having problems withdrawing their funds from their frequent gambling.

Now if we are going to use non-custodial wallets, there are only three that can be said to be good for me: metamask, trustwallet, and keplr, depending on what each individual wants from what I mentioned.

[Saint-loup]

Only an irresponsible gambler will lose money in gambling and then want to recover it at all cost, it shows that first, he or she was gambling with funds he or she can not afford to lose, and Secondly, like I believe that every experienced gambler already know, such gamblers stand a high chance of losing even more money in their quest to try to recover what ever amount of money he or she have lost to gambling.

Like I will always say. If only we all as gambler will learn to gamble more for fun and less for making money, then we wouldn't have alot of problem gamblers out there..
like you have said, training ourselves to know when to take a step back in gambling is a good thing, but unfortunately, not very many gamblers give attention to all of this, some only start learning this things after they have fallen a couple of times, like myself when I newly started gambling, I thought wining and becoming a millionaire was easy, and by this, I put in every thing I had a couple of times and lost it, at a point, I realized that luck can't be forced, and the most you try to force it, the more you lose money unnecessarily.

Unfortunately it's not easy to define which amount of funds you can afford to lose, because it's a very subjective thing. Losing $2000 in 2 weeks it's not the same thing as losing them in 2 hours. And even if it's not critical for your budget, you will feel bad to have lost such amount for nothing. And then you can start to feel like it's a big loss of money you could use for something else and you can't accept it.

[Reatim]

Instead of Atomic wallet, Trustwallet can be used. Trustwallet gives decentralized option while Atomic wallet has its own validator. Trustwallet has many validators and atomic wallet is part of them if they support the staked coin.

I prefer to use Keplr wallet which has been the best that I know. If the wallet support a coin that I want to stake, I prefer the wallet even than Trustwallet.

I can understand you, because gamblers would be discouraged to unstake their coins because the unstaking period can take up to a week or more.

Every Decentralized Wallet dApp provides option to browse from there you can connect the wallet to any web3 site and transact there with full privacy you can use Trust Wallet, Atomic Wallet, Metamusk and any other Decentralized Wallet. So far gambling platforms are mostly run on centralized platforms. so you will rarely see web3 casino sites in the market. Because of this no matter which wallet you use you must create one now on their casino site and perform KYC as required. So in this case no wallet can make you anonymous

That's true; most casinos now actually require kyc, and from what I can see, other gamblers are gradually accepting to just submit kyc instead of having problems withdrawing their funds from their frequent gambling.

KYC will be required to all casino sooner or later , like what happened in Mixing company , Casino site is also a place where Laundering is happening and the government will always against that so in time casino will be the next target.

Now if we are going to use non-custodial wallets, there are only three that can be said to be good for me: metamask, trustwallet, and keplr, depending on what each individual wants from what I mentioned.

but since OP is talking about using the funds as staking then there are lot of wallet /exchange that offers even more or bigger staking percentage.
so OP just need to find what is better and what is suitable for her.

[joniboini]

KYC will be required to all casino sooner or later , like what happened in Mixing company , Casino site is also a place where Laundering is happening and the government will always against that so in time casino will be the next target.
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but since OP is talking about using the funds as staking then there are lot of wallet /exchange that offers even more or bigger staking percentage.
so OP just need to find what is better and what is suitable for her.

Which mixer requires KYC? As far as I can tell, mixers are still trying their best to survive without asking for KYC from their customers, going as far as using Monero and so on. Probably won't last that long, unless they don't plan on dealing with US customers with IP filters or something similar.

Just keep in mind that higher staking rewards likely mean higher risk, especially if you're not really locking your funds on the blockchain. For example, staking your BTC on exchange basically means allowing the exchange to use your money for whatever they wanted to, and there's no guarantee it will return to your hands with no problem.

[EarnOnVictor]

No matter how easy it seems some people can't stop gambling, it's more like a hobby for them and some it's already an addiction, but I am thinking of a less way risky way using your method, what if they stake for monthly returns and they use that for gambling only? What do you think?

They will still have their normal numbers of assets and they will use the gains on gambling, it makes sense as they are using free money to gamble instead of advising them to stay away, mind you, not all gamblers are into gambling because they don't have a job or ways to get passive income.

Some people who are getting paid every week and months are also into gambling, it's not as if lack of job is why everyone is gambling, but having a job is what makes gambling a easy something for me, as I already have good income stream and I am satisfied, but I am still into gambling because I just want to.

Stopping gambling? Not everyone knows the characteristics of gambling but I'm quite aware of those gamblers that place wagers on games, winning becomes so easy as long as you have a steady paying income, they just understands it's easy to grabbed significant opportunities and work on measures to tap out profits and reduce our losses. A profession is important for all being, it must be paying and earning from top grade to medium grades. Gambling is not bad as it seems, we have couple of gamblers that are top-notch in their profession, gambling is just extra job for us to start earning and producing change.

Of course, gambling can't be as bad as it seems and more reason I caution those who are preaching fear that people should run away from gambling after their first bet people they might lose afterwards, which is bad. Let me start by saying that people who are gambling do not know gambling itself, they are just forcing themselves into playing it mostly because they believe there are opportunities to make money from it, but it will rather punish such people if this is the case. Gambling must be known, and a working and earning system must be devised from it for the gambler to make money. Just like your friends, they must have known their pattern of gambling and what works best for them. This explains why some people can do you harm if you tell them not to gamble again simply because it's their way of making money.

Also, about mine, I know my pattern of gambling that makes money for me and it surprises my friends when they see my betting slips and don't believe it's possible. But that is the reality. These guys might even know how to gamble more than me, but I am working with some kind of expertise and smartness more than them which makes me unique about mine. But still, to gamble is never by force and it will never be suitable for everybody, which is why you do not have to push it too hard if it is not working for you. This is why we can't be entirely justified in our advice for others here since no matter how some people try, they can't win consistently in gambling. Such people can either turn their reason for gambling to a fun-filled avenue and gamble with little money while it entertains them. Or find the means to excuse themselves from it if it's becoming an obvious issue for them.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

KYC will be required to all casino sooner or later , like what happened in Mixing company , Casino site is also a place where Laundering is happening and the government will always against that so in time casino will be the next target.
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but since OP is talking about using the funds as staking then there are lot of wallet /exchange that offers even more or bigger staking percentage.
so OP just need to find what is better and what is suitable for her.

Which mixer requires KYC? As far as I can tell, mixers are still trying their best to survive without asking for KYC from their customers, going as far as using Monero and so on. Probably won't last that long, unless they don't plan on dealing with US customers with IP filters or something similar.

As far as i know, if we ever come to a stage where even mixers have to start requesting kyc verification from their prospective customers, then their entire purpose is completely defeated, since the only reason why people use mixers is for privacy matters, and immediately mixers introduce kyc, then that purpose is totally defeated since there is a 100 percent chances that they will also be sharing the kyc details of their customers to or with the government as soon as they request for it.

And speaking about mixers surviving without kyc, i don't mean to sound pessimistic but I see this not ever happening as along as the government continue to tackle and go far them, and needless mention or say that, if we ever get to a stage where crypto users have to pass kyc verification before they use a mixers, of what sense does it make? It's better to just use a normal wallet and transfer your fund since it doesn't make any difference, based on my personal view.