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He probably has very little ultimately, hence why he's trying to hijack bitcoin to try claim Satoshi's fortune. He can't provide anything concrete so he just has to rely on forgeries and other such nonsense hoping he can just con a court into 'legally' pronouncing him as Satoshi, or at the very least sew enough doubt for the verdict to be inconclusive, which he will obviously spin into a win.
But even if by some miracle he gets a verdict that he is the real Satoshi with all these falsified evidence, how can he "hijack bitcoin" and take what he thinks belongs to him? From some recent discussions, something was written about the fact that he will ask the developers to make a hard fork, although it is crazy to expect that any of them would ever agree to such idiocy. In addition, those addresses where he claims that "his coins" are located are obviously not in his possession, as we had the opportunity to see when someone signed a message from exactly those addresses. It always seemed to me that the real Satoshi was the one who signed those messages, given that they are coins that were mined during 2009. I'm really interested in whether this will be discussed at the trial, and if it is, I would definitely like to read about it. "Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud. He doesn't have the keys used to sign this message.
The Lightning Network is a significant achievement. However, we need to continue work on improving on-chain capacity.
Unfortunately, the solution is not to just change a constant in the code or to allow powerful participants to force out others.
We are all Satoshi"
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He probably has very little ultimately, hence why he's trying to hijack bitcoin to try claim Satoshi's fortune. He can't provide anything concrete so he just has to rely on forgeries and other such nonsense hoping he can just con a court into 'legally' pronouncing him as Satoshi, or at the very least sew enough doubt for the verdict to be inconclusive, which he will obviously spin into a win.
But even if by some miracle he gets a verdict that he is the real Satoshi with all these falsified evidence, how can he "hijack bitcoin" and take what he thinks belongs to him? From some recent discussions, something was written about the fact that he will ask the developers to make a hard fork, although it is crazy to expect that any of them would ever agree to such idiocy. Well, his argument is that they will legally have to do so by order of the court, in a similar way that Craig will probably have to stop referring to himself as Satoshi if found guilty, or be in contempt of court. What he either wants to do is get the devs to fork bitcoin or just change the code to give him access to Satoshi's lost fortune, or just grant him access as the head dev for him to do as he pleases with bitcoin. I mean, it will be an interesting situation if he did win, but I'm sure COPA/Bitcoin developers would appeal. Craig's whole MO is that you use the courts to prove ownership which is what he's trying to do, similarly as in if he lost a load of cash or property due to fraud or theft you would use the courts to legally try get it back and that's what he's doing here. He's very devious and conniving and that's why I think he's very dangerous, despite him having little chance of winning in court. In addition, those addresses where he claims that "his coins" are located are obviously not in his possession, as we had the opportunity to see when someone signed a message from exactly those addresses. It always seemed to me that the real Satoshi was the one who signed those messages, given that they are coins that were mined during 2009. I'm really interested in whether this will be discussed at the trial, and if it is, I would definitely like to read about it.
They probably weren't Satoshi's coins. Craig just likely went through the bitcoin "rich list" and chose a load of long-dormant addresses assuming they were either lost or inaccessible, but obviously he was proved wrong. Even worse for him he claimed they were double or triple-encrypted in a bonded courier so it would have been nigh on impossible for anyone to have signed a message from them including him, and that's what he was banking on but obviously shot himself in the foot there. Hopefully they bring this up in the trial.
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They have already included autism and attempted suicide in the process, involving drama so that perhaps someone will believe this faker and liar that is Faketoshi. This guy is a joke, a joke in very bad taste to be honest. The lawyer forgot that including those as an excuse would make them look clueless. They didn't understand that people would take it negatively and people would understand that they were trying to get some sympathy. The court needs some kind of legal and real documents but I don't think they have any. However, I don't know about the judges, but they should have some technical knowledge as well. Do you guys remember the case between Hodlnut and CSW where the Judge said they do not understand these things well? If the Judge do not understand, how they will make a conclusion?
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The lawyer forgot that including those as an excuse would make them look clueless. They didn't understand that people would take it negatively and people would understand that they were trying to get some sympathy.
It's meant to be a free pass out of any sticky situation they find themselves in, buying him more time to keep spewing the crap he does. It could also be an insurance so should he ever be in the line of getting convicted for his forgeries, he runs back to the fact that he is handicapped and should be giving a lighter punishment. However, I don't know about the judges, but they should have some technical knowledge as well. Do you guys remember the case between Hodlnut and CSW where the Judge said they do not understand these things well? If the Judge do not understand, how they will make a conclusion?
They could also just get someone to interpret the technical aspects to them and give a clearer understanding on how the network works.
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In addition, those addresses where he claims that "his coins" are located are obviously not in his possession
They probably weren't Satoshi's coins. Craig just likely went through the bitcoin "rich list" and chose a load of long-dormant addresses assuming they were either lost or inaccessible, but obviously he was proved wrong. Even worse for him he claimed they were double or triple-encrypted in a bonded courier so it would have been nigh on impossible for anyone to have signed a message from them including him, and that's what he was banking on but obviously shot himself in the foot there. Hopefully they bring this up in the trial. CSW doesnt own those and yes did infact grab a random "richlist" of publicly available data the funniest part is the real satoshi knew about things like extranonce and lets say the real satoshi forgot his wallet/lost his wallet.. the real satoshi knew enough that he could have even used Sergios Lerner "patoshi pattern" to grab a list of addresses that would be more accurately possible to be satoshis CSW is so dumb he didnt even pick the right addresses to seem credible to pretend to own.. because he didnt even do basic research into bitcoin or stuff that the real satoshi would know. even before the "need a signature proof" drama of those lists.. just checking some of the addresses were not part of the "patoshi pattern" was proof enough that its not a satoshi list csw had. in short CSW's address selection, by not being based on addresses even sergio lerner could establish, is proof enough CSW aint satoshi because CSW doesnt even know basics of bitcoin to have found a plausible list of addresses.. but yea the real owners of CSW's random selection signing to say they are not CSW is extra proof CSW is a conniving lying idiot
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Craig Wright is a scum bag plain and simple. He has long abused the legal system in a failed attempt to get his name associated with the inventor of a breakthrough technology. Due to his own actions, Craig Wright's name has become synonymous with pathetic lying fraudster.
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Will the real Satoshi Nakamoto please stand up?https://mugglehead.com/will-the-real-satoshi-nakamoto-please-stand-up/Over the last 10 years, people are looking for information of the real man behind Bitcoin and Blockchain but any body the news reporters suspected to be the wrong guy. Even a CSW has claimed in some extend but there is no definite proof. Now the time has come for the real Satoshi Nakamoto to emerge from the shadow, and tell the barrister why he has not come forward to claim his stash of Bitcoin and fortune of credential. Well, Satoshi does not need to claim it publicly as he has got all those BTC and may be more. For recognition, yes he can just provide proof and evidence. According to Metta Data, the real Satoshi is known to the community leaders. Even Jack Dorsey also know him because it is Satoshi Nakamoto first created a Bitcoin Twitter accounts known as @Bitcoin and @Nakamoto or may be more. COPA is not suing CSW to reveal the true identity of Satoshi but COPA is suing Craig to stop him suing the developers. I thing enough is enough ! It is time for COPA to request the real Satoshi to come forward and reveal his identity with full evidences so CSW will over out of UK either to Australia or to Caribbean Island to retire from his elaborate hoax. I suspect, if COPA and CSW are mutually staging the Case for some other intention to destroy BTC then I think the real Satoshi will jump up and challenge CSW to protect the Bitcoin being get hijacked second times.
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COPA is not suing CSW to reveal the true identity of Satoshi but COPA is suing Craig to stop him suing the developers.
copa is not in court asking CSW to reveal the true identity of satoshi.. correct.. but its because EVERYONE including COPA know that CSW knows nothing about satoshi, so its not even a question to need ask CSW about real identity of satoshi any time anyone asks CSW to prove satoshi is not about revealing satoshi, its more of a trigger to make CSW admit he has no proof/association copa is in court against CSW to stop him from pretending he is/he knows satoshi which as a result stops CSW from being a continual lying idiot making false claims.. which results in CSW not able to sue others According to Metta Data, the real Satoshi is known to the community leaders. Even Jack Dorsey also know him because it is Satoshi Nakamoto first created a Bitcoin Twitter accounts known as @Bitcoin and @Nakamoto or may be more.
those twitter accounts were not made by the real satoshi jack dorsey doesnt know satoshi
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However, I don't know about the judges, but they should have some technical knowledge as well. Do you guys remember the case between Hodlnut and CSW where the Judge said they do not understand these things well? If the Judge do not understand, how they will make a conclusion?
Judge Mellor has an engineering background , i think it will be easier for him to understand the technical aspects of the case https://www.middletemple.org.uk/bencher-persons-view?cid=32113As for the rest of the opinions , i will take the opposite stance and wait for the end of trial to finally come to a conclusion . I've been waiting for that outcome ( satoshi or not ) since 2016 . For sure Craig is a pricky dude but that doesn't mean he's not intelligent or polymath . He is definitely a possible candidate of being satoshi . Now it's on his hands to prove what he was saying for a long time , that identity is not being proven with a digital signature ( which i strongly agree ) . The sad thing for me is that most of the members of the community haven't done their own research of who this man is and just following "influencers" opinion ( Vitalik , Sirer , Heart , CZ etc ) and want to send this man to the fire without a trial . Vitalik , the guy who thinks possessing child porn should not be a crime , has discredited Gavin and Craig first , let's not forget that . Sirer also not one honest guys in the space . Heart is gonna face US justice sooner or later . CZ , well , things not going well for him ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) . All of them have personal interest for a non functioning bitcoin , so draw your conclusion . Anyways , grab your popcorn and enjoy the show . We will either celebrate him as satoshi or see him behind bars . In case he manages to prove that he is the one , we will have a story like Dostoyevky's . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Grand_Inquisitor
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COPA briefly went through a handful of the forged documents including the LaTeX whitepaper and Craig's defence seemed to consist of just letting the court know about Craig's autism and previous suicide attempt due to the stress of trying and failing to prove he's Satoshi. I guess they know they're probably not going to win this so are going for the sympathy route or at least bracing themselves for inevitable failure and using Craig's autism as an excuse for the lies and forged documents.
Ridiculous, especially when CSW never consider mental health on everyone he sued (or attempted to sue). I don't have to follow up on any live feed when email notifications in the form of newsletters about same court case between COPA vs Craige Wright is delivered to my inbox. This case is very interesting indeed:
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Lol. Come on. CoinGeek is the BSV propaganda arm and you can't get anything unbiased out of them. Every time Craig loses a court case they somehow spin it into a win. Anything unbiased? I would also say we can some lies about BTC, BCH and BSV on that website. And while we're at it, please remove the link since may raise their position on Google search result.
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Day three is just about to start. However, I don't know about the judges, but they should have some technical knowledge as well. Do you guys remember the case between Hodlnut and CSW where the Judge said they do not understand these things well? If the Judge do not understand, how they will make a conclusion?
Judge Mellor has an engineering background , i think it will be easier for him to understand the technical aspects of the case https://www.middletemple.org.uk/bencher-persons-view?cid=32113I still think this case would be hard to follow or understand for most unless you have specific knowledge in bitcoin tech and digital forensics. Craig probably doesn't even know what he's talking about half of the time and usually just rambles on about irrelevance to try seem he's more knowledgeable than he is, but if he doesn't even know what he's talking about it's unlikely the judge or either parties representatives know either. As for the rest of the opinions , i will take the opposite stance and wait for the end of trial to finally come to a conclusion . I've been waiting for that outcome ( satoshi or not ) since 2016 . For sure Craig is a pricky dude but that doesn't mean he's not intelligent or polymath . He is definitely a possible candidate of being satoshi . Now it's on his hands to prove what he was saying for a long time , that identity is not being proven with a digital signature ( which i strongly agree ) . will either celebrate him as satoshi or see him behind bars . In case he manages to prove that he is the one , we will have a story like Dostoyevky's . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Grand_InquisitorCraig is a charlatan and a conman plain and simple. Don't let him bamboozle you with hot air and unearned qualifications of which he's been caught plagiarising content for his degrees. He's only a possible candidate in the same way that you or I are. In fact, I'd say there's more chance of either of us two being Satoshi than Craig. Nobody's disproved either of us yet, yet there's over 500 documents against Craig that have proven to be frauds. Craig is just a scammer trying to utilise the fact that Satoshi is both anonymous and AWOL to further his financial frauds. If Craig was Satoshi he would just sign a message and shut everyone up, but he can't, because he's not Satoshi, so has to try prove it with forged documentation and sheer talk.
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Craig is a charlatan and a conman plain and simple. Don't let him bamboozle you with hot air and unearned qualifications of which he's been caught plagiarising content for his degrees. He's only a possible candidate in the same way that you or I are. In fact, I'd say there's more chance of either of us two being Satoshi than Craig. Nobody's disproved either of us yet, yet there's over 500 documents against Craig that have proven to be frauds. Craig is just a scammer trying to utilise the fact that Satoshi is both anonymous and AWOL to further his financial frauds. If Craig was Satoshi he would just sign a message and shut everyone up, but he can't, because he's not Satoshi, so has to try prove it with forged documentation and sheer talk.
Since this guy has over 500 instances of document forgeries, it should be relatively simple for cross-examiners and experts to put them all together and prove him guilty, right?
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Craig is a charlatan and a conman plain and simple. Don't let him bamboozle you with hot air and unearned qualifications of which he's been caught plagiarising content for his degrees. He's only a possible candidate in the same way that you or I are. In fact, I'd say there's more chance of either of us two being Satoshi than Craig. Nobody's disproved either of us yet, yet there's over 500 documents against Craig that have proven to be frauds. Craig is just a scammer trying to utilise the fact that Satoshi is both anonymous and AWOL to further his financial frauds. If Craig was Satoshi he would just sign a message and shut everyone up, but he can't, because he's not Satoshi, so has to try prove it with forged documentation and sheer talk.
Since this guy has over 500 instances of document forgeries, it should be relatively simple for cross-examiners and experts to put them all together and prove him guilty, right? i havnt read any transcript of the copa case yet, but if the 500 docs are things CSW filed in relation to this case (rather than documents he sent out publicly over the years) knowing how CSW operates. i bet right near the end or after he will say, "those 500 documents were on my hard drive last year when i was about to file, but maybe a ex-employee/adversary got into my computer and tweaked the documents to now be forgeries.. so what i submitted, i thought was the original but is actually tweaked stuff someone replaced when i filed the documents, .. it wasnt me judge"
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~snip~ If Craig was Satoshi he would just sign a message and shut everyone up, but he can't, because he's not Satoshi, so has to try prove it with forged documentation and sheer talk.
Would anyone who has ever read posts from Satoshi on this forum or private correspondence with any of the developers really think that CW is the real Satoshi even if he signed a message from any BTC address believed to belong to Satoshi? At some point, we have to accept that it may happen that someone will come into possession of the private keys of those addresses, which means that even a signed message cannot mean that someone is the original owner. According to everything we know about Satoshi and CW, they are two completely different people in every sense. CW is nowhere near intelligent enough to play the role of Satoshi, and he shows that every day with his forged evidence - would someone who invented Bitcoin be so incompetent that he couldn't forge a single document in a way that leaves even the slightest doubt of authenticity?
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February 07, 2024, 01:09:20 PM |
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Would anyone who has ever read posts from Satoshi on this forum or private correspondence with any of the developers really think that CW is the real Satoshi even if he signed a message from any BTC address believed to belong to Satoshi? At some point, we have to accept that it may happen that someone will come into possession of the private keys of those addresses, which means that even a signed message cannot mean that someone is the original owner.
That's exactly the reason identity isn't proven the way community wants satoshi to come forward and introduce himself . Keys can be stolen , public identity can't be altered ( well , that doesn't apply to rainbow people ) . According to everything we know about Satoshi and CW, they are two completely different people in every sense. CW is nowhere near intelligent enough to play the role of Satoshi, and he shows that every day with his forged evidence - would someone who invented Bitcoin be so incompetent that he couldn't forge a single document in a way that leaves even the slightest doubt of authenticity?
Well , by looking at everything craig said and showed of how bitcoin works all these years i tend to think that he is an extremely intelligent person with better understanding of the network than anyone else . Is he satoshi ? Court will decide . Craig is a charlatan and a conman plain and simple. Don't let him bamboozle you with hot air and unearned qualifications of which he's been caught plagiarising content for his degrees. He's only a possible candidate in the same way that you or I are. In fact, I'd say there's more chance of either of us two being Satoshi than Craig. Nobody's disproved either of us yet, yet there's over 500 documents against Craig that have proven to be frauds. Craig is just a scammer trying to utilise the fact that Satoshi is both anonymous and AWOL to further his financial frauds. If Craig was Satoshi he would just sign a message and shut everyone up, but he can't, because he's not Satoshi, so has to try prove it with forged documentation and sheer talk.
That's what a large part of the community's opinion , i tend to have mine . If court decides he is not satoshi i will put him in my list of fraudsters . Till then he has the presumption of innocence , which i think is the most reasonable and civilised .
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That's what a large part of the community's opinion , i tend to have mine . If court decides he is not satoshi i will put him in my list of fraudsters . Till then he has the presumption of innocence , which i think is the most reasonable and civilised .
he is innocently just craig. and we have to presume innocent that he is just craig.. if he or others want to make claims of other things. well proof is needed.. until then he is just craig dont think that someone can just make claims they are satoshi, god, jesus, mohamed, moses, superman and that we should innocently just trust and believe it as fact unless proven otherwise. its actually the other way round. if someone makes a claim of difference. they need to prove it. i know we are in a weird era where a guy can just claim he is a women to perve into womens changing rooms. but thats where they need to declare in law and have proof of their change, rather than just their random unproven say so. (when it comes to declarations that affect others) you can wear a superman costume, old robes or a dress in your own home. but if your claims affect others. expect others to question your claims to protect themselves
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If court decides he is not satoshi i will put him in my list of fraudsters . Till then he has the presumption of innocence , which i think is the most reasonable and civilised .
The laws of mathematics have already proven him a liar. If you're waiting for the laws of man to play catch-up, then most of us will assume it's because you aren't ready to accept that you were wrong and fell for a scam: And i'm pro bsv because i'm a man that lives in my time . I don't use my pentium and my 56kbps modem . Times move on .
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They've adjourned for lunch now and will be back at 2. Nothing really exciting happened so far. COPA is presenting forgery after forgery and Craig either just disagrees or has some bullshit excuse and they move onto the next one. Craig is a charlatan and a conman plain and simple. Don't let him bamboozle you with hot air and unearned qualifications of which he's been caught plagiarising content for his degrees. He's only a possible candidate in the same way that you or I are. In fact, I'd say there's more chance of either of us two being Satoshi than Craig. Nobody's disproved either of us yet, yet there's over 500 documents against Craig that have proven to be frauds. Craig is just a scammer trying to utilise the fact that Satoshi is both anonymous and AWOL to further his financial frauds. If Craig was Satoshi he would just sign a message and shut everyone up, but he can't, because he's not Satoshi, so has to try prove it with forged documentation and sheer talk.
Since this guy has over 500 instances of document forgeries, it should be relatively simple for cross-examiners and experts to put them all together and prove him guilty, right? The judge made them whittle it down to 25 documents I believe. You would think that it's easy but Craig just disagrees and half of the time either COPA's lawyer moves on or just calls him a liar (but in my lighter terms) and then they move onto the next forgery. Hopefully the judge is seeing through it all as he hasn't really said much so far and rarely gets involved but I would be surprised if he's buying any of it. Craig is a charlatan and a conman plain and simple. Don't let him bamboozle you with hot air and unearned qualifications of which he's been caught plagiarising content for his degrees. He's only a possible candidate in the same way that you or I are. In fact, I'd say there's more chance of either of us two being Satoshi than Craig. Nobody's disproved either of us yet, yet there's over 500 documents against Craig that have proven to be frauds. Craig is just a scammer trying to utilise the fact that Satoshi is both anonymous and AWOL to further his financial frauds. If Craig was Satoshi he would just sign a message and shut everyone up, but he can't, because he's not Satoshi, so has to try prove it with forged documentation and sheer talk.
Since this guy has over 500 instances of document forgeries, it should be relatively simple for cross-examiners and experts to put them all together and prove him guilty, right? i havnt read any transcript of the copa case yet, but if the 500 docs are things CSW filed in relation to this case (rather than documents he sent out publicly over the years) knowing how CSW operates. i bet right near the end or after he will say, "those 500 documents were on my hard drive last year when i was about to file, but maybe a ex-employee/adversary got into my computer and tweaked the documents to now be forgeries.. so what i submitted, i thought was the original but is actually tweaked stuff someone replaced when i filed the documents, .. it wasnt me judge"He's already been using this line and has said it's not him that publishes his blogs or papers etc but an assistant, college, student, ex wife, employee etc. He claimed today that he has a four year backlog of papers he's yet to publish (or more likely yet to forge haha). He's very cunning and conniving and confidently has at least some sort of excuse for everything no matter how ridiculous it may be. ~snip~ If Craig was Satoshi he would just sign a message and shut everyone up, but he can't, because he's not Satoshi, so has to try prove it with forged documentation and sheer talk.
Would anyone who has ever read posts from Satoshi on this forum or private correspondence with any of the developers really think that CW is the real Satoshi even if he signed a message from any BTC address believed to belong to Satoshi? At some point, we have to accept that it may happen that someone will come into possession of the private keys of those addresses, which means that even a signed message cannot mean that someone is the original owner. Well probably not now but it would be pretty hard to dispute if Craig signed the genesis block, Satoshi's known addresses or his PGP keys. It's moot point though because he can't do that. It's not very likely that someone could cryptographically prove he was Satoshi other than Satoshi himself unless we get to a point in the future where these things can be bruteforced or exploited by a supercomputer somehow. Would anyone who has ever read posts from Satoshi on this forum or private correspondence with any of the developers really think that CW is the real Satoshi even if he signed a message from any BTC address believed to belong to Satoshi? At some point, we have to accept that it may happen that someone will come into possession of the private keys of those addresses, which means that even a signed message cannot mean that someone is the original owner.
That's exactly the reason identity isn't proven the way community wants satoshi to come forward and introduce himself . Keys can be stolen , public identity can't be altered ( well , that doesn't apply to rainbow people ) . That's Craig's convenient excuse. Sure, keys can be stolen but signing them at least proves he is in possession of them currently. If he was serious, he would just sign a message whilst also saying this is not proof or something. Satoshi expertly designed bitcoin this way so someone can prove ownership of their keys, but Craig seems to want to conveniently ignore this. If what Craig is saying is true then he would have designed bitcoin differently and maybe put in some sort of backdoor or allowance for court orders etc, but he didn't, because he's not Satoshi so has to merely rely on bullshit. Well , by looking at everything craig said and showed of how bitcoin works all these years i tend to think that he is an extremely intelligent person with better understanding of the network than anyone else . Is he satoshi ? Court will decide .
The courts shouldn't be deciding. Craig can prove it to the entire crypto community in 5 minutes if he wanted to, but he can't. If he somehow unbelievably manages to hoodwink a court into saying he's Satoshi then that still wouldn't mean anything to me. An idiot could be convinced by the nonsense documents that he provides and that's the case with many BSV-ers. It's entirely possible that the courts will decide that you can't prove a negative even if it's likely that they find the documents are all forgeries and not outright proclaim he is or isn't Satoshi but just that the documents he provided hold no validity and what then? We're still meant to pretend he could quite possibly be Satoshi? That's what a large part of the community's opinion , i tend to have mine . If court decides he is not satoshi i will put him in my list of fraudsters . Till then he has the presumption of innocence , which i think is the most reasonable and civilised .
If I claimed to be Satoshi would you assume I'm innocent unless a court decides? You should assume anyone who claims to be Satoshi is lying unless they can prove otherwise. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. We have nothing from Craig other than his mountains of forged documents. If he's satoshi then let him prove it cryptographically, not just go here's a printout of an email alluding to I'm satoshi. It's nonsense.
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dont think that someone can just make claims they are satoshi, god, jesus, mohamed, moses, superman and that we should innocently just trust and believe it as fact unless proven otherwise. its actually the other way round. if someone makes a claim of difference. they need to prove it.
Anyone can claim , but only one in each case can prove it . That's the point we are now , proving in court . Either he is or he goes to jail for perjury and other things . Isn't that great ? The laws of mathematics have already proven him a liar. If you're waiting for the laws of man to play catch-up, then most of us will assume it's because you aren't ready to accept that you were wrong and fell for a scam: And i'm pro bsv because i'm a man that lives in my time . I don't use my pentium and my 56kbps modem . Times move on .
You aren't waiting because it's civilised, you're waiting because you got conned. The laws of mathematics say that when you have 4 aces there are 1 in 165 million chances to lose . But you know , s**ts happen some times . Being pro bsv doesn't mean i follow craig blindly . In fact i was pro increasing blocksize before craig ( same as Back , Lopp and others ) . So , don't try to find things when there aren't any . Don't embarrass yourself please . The courts shouldn't be deciding. Craig can prove it to the entire crypto community in 5 minutes if he wanted to, but he can't.
Does he owe something to the community to do it the way community wants if he is satoshi ? Satoshi expertly designed bitcoin this way so someone can prove ownership of their keys, but Craig seems to want to conveniently ignore this.
Not ownership , but possession . There is a huge difference in between . If i steal your keys am i the owner of your coins ? Or am i a thief who illegally posses your coins ? And more importantly , if i steal your keys am i you ? If I claimed to be Satoshi would you assume I'm innocent unless a court decides? You should assume anyone who claims to be Satoshi is lying unless they can prove otherwise. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. We have nothing from Craig other than his mountains of forged documents. If he's satoshi then let him prove it cryptographically, not just go here's a printout of an email alluding to I'm satoshi. It's nonsense.
Well , from what i see in the court things might not be as how Arthur Van Pelt wants to be . We will see if judge decides these are forged . I guess he will know better than you and me . Nonsense , i laughed on that part . Are you living in the real world or at some fantasy island ? That's not how you prove identity . And a question to the community , if somehow a miracle happens for craig and judge says that he is satoshi , what will be your reaction ? Edit . I have to mention that i think he should sign from an early block , just do it after proving his identity the legal way and not the other way .
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