Updates from the COPA v Craig Wright trial

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Day 1

I've been watching the entirety of the Crypto Open Patient Alliance -v- Dr Craig Steven Wright trial down in London which started today and plan to watch as much of it as I possibly can. Decided to start a thread for daily updates and discussion. Not much has happened so far and just seems to be the opening statements. COPA briefly went through a handful of the forged documents including the LaTeX whitepaper and Craig's defence seemed to consist of just letting the court know about Craig's autism and previous suicide attempt due to the stress of trying and failing to prove he's Satoshi. I guess they know they're probably not going to win this so are going for the sympathy route or at least bracing themselves for inevitable failure and using Craig's autism as an excuse for the lies and forged documents.

Timeline:




For those not in the know: https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20240205-uk-trial-opens-into-bitcoin-inventor-claims

Wright, 53, says he is Satoshi Nakamoto, the pseudonym of bitcoin's creator and author of a white paper that introduced the cryptocurrency to the world in 2008.

Crypto Open Patent Alliance (COPA), a non-profit organisation set up to keep cryptocurrency technology free from patents, is suing Wright over his claims first made in 2016.

The trial at London's High Court, presided over by judge James Mellor, is expected to last until mid-March.

"Over a period of nearly 10 years... (Wright had) the strongest incentive to prove he is Satoshi Nakamoto -- but single handedly failed," said COPA lawyer Jonathan Hough in opening remarks.

Documents provided by Wright were not written in the same software code as the original 2008 white paper, according to Hough.

"COPA's case is, simply, that Dr Wright's claim to be Satoshi is a lie, founded on an elaborate false narrative and backed by forgery of documents on an industrial scale," the lawyer added in a written submission.

"As his false documents and inconsistencies have been exposed, he has resorted to further forgery and ever more implausible excuses."

COPA wants the High Court to rule that Wright -- who is expected to face questioning on Tuesday -- is not Satoshi.

The enigmatic programmer describes himself as "Creator of Bitcoin" on social media platform X.

"I conceived bitcoin, and I unveiled it to the world," he wrote last month in a posting on X, formerly known as Twitter.

Wright, who on his website describes himself also as a businessman, has been involved in a number of lawsuits brought by himself but this time around is being asked to defend himself.

COPA brings together heavyweights in the industry, including cryptocurrency platform Coinbase and Block, which specialises in digital payments.

It accuses Wright, nicknamed 'Faketoshi' by his detractors, of lying about his identity and of forging and manipulating documents presented to try and prove his claims.

The outcome of the case could determine that of another pitting Wright against 26 developers -- including Coinbase -- for allegedly infringing upon his intellectual property rights.

Or just watch the Dr Bitcoin podcast on COPA vs. Craig Wright: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2e0cAqs-0ng

If anyone has any questions feel free to ask.


Updates:

Day 2: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5484211.msg63623032#msg63623032
Day 3: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5484211.msg63630400#msg63630400
Day 4: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5484211.msg63633942#msg63633942
Day 5: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5484211.msg63639614#msg63639614
Day 6: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5484211.msg63652331#msg63652331
Day 7: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5484211.msg63659056#msg63659056
Days 8-11: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5484211.msg63688503#msg63688503
Day 12: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5484211.msg63693964#msg63693964
Day 13: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5484211.msg63698891#msg63698891
Day 14: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5484211.msg63707433#msg63707433
Day 15: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5484211.msg63709690#msg63709690
Day 16: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5484211.msg63723561#msg63723561
Day 17-18: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5484211.msg63739261#msg63739261
Day 19: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5484211.new#new

Dr Bitcoin Podcast updates:

Part 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2e0cAqs-0ng&t
Part 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VZE-oc8cEA
Part 3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYibVsBxid0
Part 4: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aproxaMcFL4
Part 5: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YS9_GQkMAic
Part 6: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ieqSOUCaBM

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[DaveF]

You might want to close/lock this and open another thread that's self moderated.

How are you watching this? Are you in the courtroom or is there a place that anyone can watch it online?

How many others are in the courtroom and how big is it? Just more for a reading of how many people care. A packed courtroom gives a different feel then one with just lawyers and a few other people in it.

-Dave

[Learn Bitcoin]

Craig's defence seemed to consist of just letting the court know about Craig's autism and previous suicide attempt due to the stress of trying and failing to prove he's Satoshi. I guess they know they're probably not going to win this so are going for the sympathy route or at least bracing themselves for inevitable failure and using Craig's autism as an excuse for the lies and forged documents.

That's what CSW and his lawyer could do at this moment because they know that they do not have any proof. I haven't watched anything and don't know where to check how CSW was lookin like. Bu his lawyer seems like helpless when he was using craig's autism and his suicidal attempts as an excuse. LOL.

Who know's what this person want? What would be his benefit if people accept his as satoshi as he do not have the access to anything (like old bitcoin on old addresses). Maybe he would be sucessfully able to scam people by start selling shitcoins?

[Cryptomultiplier]

You might want to close/lock this and open another thread that's self moderated.

How are you watching this? Are you in the courtroom or is there a place that anyone can watch it online?

How many others are in the courtroom and how big is it? Just more for a reading of how many people care. A packed courtroom gives a different feel then one with just lawyers and a few other people in it.

-Dave

I don't have to follow up on any live feed when email notifications in the form of newsletters about same court case between COPA vs Craige Wright is delivered to my inbox.
This case is very interesting  indeed:




https://coingeek.com/satoshi-trial-copa-v-wright-big-tech-desperate-fight-to-preserve-an-ugly-status-quo/

[bitmover]

Who know's what this person want? What would be his benefit if people accept his as satoshi as he do not have the access to anything (like old bitcoin on old addresses). Maybe he would be sucessfully able to scam people by start selling shitcoins?

He wants copyright rights. I.e. money, and to control bitcoin development and its infrastructure.

This is written in the text quoted by OP.

It accuses Wright, nicknamed 'Faketoshi' by his detractors, of lying about his identity and of forging and manipulating documents presented to try and prove his claims.

The outcome of the case could determine that of another pitting Wright against 26 developers -- including Coinbase -- for allegedly infringing upon his intellectual property rights.

[hilariousetc]

You might want to close/lock this and open another thread that's self moderated.

How are you watching this? Are you in the courtroom or is there a place that anyone can watch it online?

How many others are in the courtroom and how big is it? Just more for a reading of how many people care. A packed courtroom gives a different feel then one with just lawyers and a few other people in it.

-Dave

There's probably less than 50 people and the room isn't very big. It's not very exciting or a 'big' trial and doesn't seem to be getting much media attention, though the trial is trending on Twitter right now. You can request a private link to view the stream but it's not available publicly other than there. You can try here: https://www.judiciary.uk/judgments/crypto-open-patient-alliance-v-dr-craig-steven-wright-and-dr-wright-v-various/

Craig's defence seemed to consist of just letting the court know about Craig's autism and previous suicide attempt due to the stress of trying and failing to prove he's Satoshi. I guess they know they're probably not going to win this so are going for the sympathy route or at least bracing themselves for inevitable failure and using Craig's autism as an excuse for the lies and forged documents.

That's what CSW and his lawyer could do at this moment because they know that they do not have any proof. I haven't watched anything and don't know where to check how CSW was lookin like. Bu his lawyer seems like helpless when he was using craig's autism and his suicidal attempts as an excuse. LOL.

His lawyer seems clueless. Not even sure why his suicide attempt is relevant. It's entirely possible that he faked that too and until I see anything concrete I'm going to assume that's what happened or at least it was a half-assed attempt.

Who know's what this person want? What would be his benefit if people accept his as satoshi as he do not have the access to anything (like old bitcoin on old addresses). Maybe he would be sucessfully able to scam people by start selling shitcoins?

Well he's trying to use the courts to hijack bitcoin. He can't prove he's satoshi any other way so he's hoping he can con a court into naming him Satoshi based on some forged documents.

You might want to close/lock this and open another thread that's self moderated.

How are you watching this? Are you in the courtroom or is there a place that anyone can watch it online?

How many others are in the courtroom and how big is it? Just more for a reading of how many people care. A packed courtroom gives a different feel then one with just lawyers and a few other people in it.

-Dave

I don't have to follow up on any live feed when email notifications in the form of newsletters about same court case between COPA vs Craige Wright is delivered to my inbox.
This case is very interesting  indeed:

https://coingeek.com/satoshi-trial-copa-v-wright-big-tech-desperate-fight-to-preserve-an-ugly-status-quo/

Lol. Come on. CoinGeek is the BSV propaganda arm and you can't get anything unbiased out of them. Every time Craig loses a court case they somehow spin it into a win.

[Upgrade00]

There's probably less than 50 people and the room isn't very big. It's not very exciting or a 'big' trial and doesn't seem to be getting much media attention, though the trial is trending on Twitter right now.

It may be a positive that the trial is not trending. CSW wants all the attention he can get, doesn't matter whether it's positive or negative, as long as people are talking about him, he's achieving his goal.

Would be great to get a legal verdict which prohibits him from using the pseudonym Satoshi. He has had so many years to prove that they are the same person and has failed every time, I'm mildly surprised he's still relevant rough for a conversation now.

[aoluain]

We are getting down to business now with court case which will have implications going
forward.

Disproving Faketoshi's claims of being Satoshi should hold up strongly in this case
purely with the amount of forged documents against him and TBH it doesnt bode well
for him IMO if already their opening route is the Sympathy one.

Its really all stacked against him, we all know that, its getting the court to see it is the key.

[DooMAD]

You might want to close/lock this and open another thread that's self moderated.

I don't have to follow up on any live feed when email notifications in the form of newsletters about same court case between COPA vs Craige Wright is delivered to my inbox.
This case is very interesting  indeed:

*link to disreputable scumbag site removed*

Lol. Come on. CoinGeek is the BSV propaganda arm and you can't get anything unbiased out of them. Every time Craig loses a court case they somehow spin it into a win.

I think that's why DaveF suggested making it a self-moderated topic, heh.  Every time the truth is about to come out, someone links to Ayre's lie-machine in an attempt to distort things.



To all readers of this topic:  CoinGeek is trash.  No credibility.  No honesty.  Anyone who endorses that site should be viewed with suspicion.

[goldkingcoiner]

There's probably less than 50 people and the room isn't very big. It's not very exciting or a 'big' trial and doesn't seem to be getting much media attention, though the trial is trending on Twitter right now.

It may be a positive that the trial is not trending. CSW wants all the attention he can get, doesn't matter whether it's positive or negative, as long as people are talking about him, he's achieving his goal.

Would be great to get a legal verdict which prohibits him from using the pseudonym Satoshi. He has had so many years to prove that they are the same person and has failed every time, I'm mildly surprised he's still relevant rough for a conversation now.

I agree. I can see that there is absolutely no reason for this entire Satoshi thing other than feeding his ego. It's not like he can ever access those coins in the real Satoshi's wallet. At most, his end goal is to become more famous. And Craig Wright seems to not care whether he is famous or infamous, as long as people know him and talk about him. Obviously Faketoshi has issues with reality, which may or may not stem from mental illnesses. I am no psychologist but perhaps megalomania and narcissism?

[criptoevangelista]

They have already included autism and attempted suicide in the process, involving drama so that perhaps someone will believe this faker and liar that is Faketoshi. This guy is a joke, a joke in very bad taste to be honest.

[hilariousetc]

There's probably less than 50 people and the room isn't very big. It's not very exciting or a 'big' trial and doesn't seem to be getting much media attention, though the trial is trending on Twitter right now.

It may be a positive that the trial is not trending. CSW wants all the attention he can get, doesn't matter whether it's positive or negative, as long as people are talking about him, he's achieving his goal.

Would be great to get a legal verdict which prohibits him from using the pseudonym Satoshi. He has had so many years to prove that they are the same person and has failed every time, I'm mildly surprised he's still relevant rough for a conversation now.

Well that's what COPA have asked for but earlier today Craig's council asked that if they lose for that to be rejected under "human rights" grounds. Hopefully they don't grant that because otherwise this trial is mostly useless.

I agree. I can see that there is absolutely no reason for this entire Satoshi thing other than feeding his ego. It's not like he can ever access those coins in the real Satoshi's wallet. At most, his end goal is to become more famous. And Craig Wright seems to not care whether he is famous or infamous, as long as people know him and talk about him. Obviously Faketoshi has issues with reality, which may or may not stem from mental illnesses. I am no psychologist but perhaps megalomania and narcissism?

I don't know whether he's a fantasist or just a fraudster. Maybe both. He is quite clearly a charlatan and does seem to crave recognition and validation through things he quite clearly hasn't achieved but maybe his motives are purely financial, but I suspect it's both financial and for the kudos to bolster his own ego. Not only did he obviously not create bitcoin but he's also been caught plagiarising content for his degrees.

https://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2020/05/11/craig-wrights-doctoral-thesis-being-investigated-for-plagiaris

I don't know whether he fakes his qualifications and employment history merely for validation or just to help further his frauds of which there are many. My only hope is that he ends up in jail because I doubt he will stop otherwise. Hopefully this court holds him in contempt for knowingly providing fraudulent evidence.

[Upgrade00]

I agree. I can see that there is absolutely no reason for this entire Satoshi thing other than feeding his ego. It's not like he can ever access those coins in the real Satoshi's wallet. At most, his end goal is to become more famous

His intention could be to promote his crap coin and reduce the authenticity of bitcoin, which would also do the help of promoting his crap coin.

Well that's what COPA have asked for but earlier today Craig's council asked that if they lose for that to be rejected under "human rights" grounds. Hopefully they don't grant that because otherwise this trial is mostly useless.

I do hope they throw out that request.

[franky1]

I agree. I can see that there is absolutely no reason for this entire Satoshi thing other than feeding his ego. It's not like he can ever access those coins in the real Satoshi's wallet. At most, his end goal is to become more famous

His intention could be to promote his crap coin and reduce the authenticity of bitcoin, which would also do the help of promoting his crap coin.

his intention is simple.. win or lose he can sell his life story to media about either a hero story or villain story. to him its good drama either way worthy of a box office movie... well thats what he promised his investors like ayres

[LeezHamilton]

He is very smart. playing a big drama.

Who knows, what is his real intention ?  May be he just want to get attention and fame. May be he just want to make money out of this saga.  He knows, what he is doing.  I read news report about the opening of the case.  His barrister clearly stated that if there is some one else who is the real Satoshi Nakamoto then why he is not claiming ?

It is time  for the COPA members to produce the real Satoshi Nakamoto.  As his barrister has stated, no body is claiming except CSW.  It that correct ?  The rea Satoshi is out there and reading the news and laughing.  Any one can claim to be Satoshi Nakamoto and claim he or she has written the Bitcoin White Paper.  Suppose Dorian Nakamoto come forward and admit that he is the man who is behind the Bitcoin and Blockchain.  What can happen ?  Will the Bitcoin community accept it ?  May be or may be not but the truth is the real Satoshi Nakamoto knows what is going on and on over the last decade.

Why the real Satoshi Nakamoto need to come forward in public to claim that it he who is the inventor of Bitcoin ?

According to the Bitcoin Protocol Private Key is the proof of evidence of ownership of Bitcoin. Why this gentleman suing anyone who des not believe that he is Satoshi Nakamoto ?  What is his intention ?  If he is the inventor then he has lots of Bitcoin.  So why he has to make so much story , hey guys , it is me, I am Dr Craig Steven Wright.  I invented the Bitcoin.  Why did he then published the bloody Bitcoin White Paper under a Japanese pseudonym ?   I am an economic  journalist by profession.  I will be happy to interview him with 1000 questions and dig out the truth. 

[franky1]

I am an economic  journalist by profession.  I will be happy to interview him with 1000 questions and dig out the truth.  

he is not very smart, he is just conniving enough to know how to scam people and use the scams as drama to scam others in a snowball effect

if you were to interview him you will just get 1000 bull crap answers that play into his drama.. wasting your time
unless you have a hammer in one hand and his fingers viced in another hand you wont get any good answers out of him
so dont waste your time our anyone elses.

[DapanasFruit]

...and Craig's defence seemed to consist of just letting the court know about Craig's autism and previous suicide attempt due to the stress of trying and failing to prove he's Satoshi. I guess they know they're probably not going to win this so are going for the sympathy route or at least bracing themselves for inevitable failure and using Craig's autism as an excuse for the lies and forged documents.

I am not following this case as I don't have the time for anything related to Craig Wrong...I mean Wright but his saga is really interesting and even angered many people who are the supporters and enthusiasts of Bitcoin. Right from the very start the man is obviously fake and I am even wondering why the media is letting the man play his claims to the roof. Now, am not against anybody's autism and we should be kind to people who are autistic though in the case of Craig I think it is quite funny that his defense his using his condition - that is assuming this is not just another lie - to his advantage. I am sure the court would be ruling eventually against him and COPA will win the case.

[Lucius]

Faketoshi will not give up as long as he lives because he has convinced himself that what he claims is the truth. Even in the event that the court, based on the evidence, undoubtedly decides that he is lying, I have no doubt that Faketoshi and his sponsors will find another country and some new court in front of which they will again try to present their lies.

Considering his age, he still has a relatively long time ahead of him, unless something bad happens to him, and considering that he has allegedly already tried to kill himself, maybe he will try again - although it is probably another in a series of lies, because cowards like him they don't have the courage for such a thing.

I would recommend him to move to Colombia, because there they recognize him as Satoshi Nakamoto, but everything can be bought there, including a false identity.

[tbct_mt2]

Faketoshi will not give up as long as he lives because he has convinced himself that what he claims is the truth. Even in the event that the court, based on the evidence, undoubtedly decides that he is lying, I have no doubt that Faketoshi and his sponsors will find another country and some new court in front of which they will again try to present their lies.

Considering his age, he still has a relatively long time ahead of him, unless something bad happens to him, and considering that he has allegedly already tried to kill himself, maybe he will try again - although it is probably another in a series of lies, because cowards like him they don't have the courage for such a thing.

I would recommend him to move to Colombia, because there they recognize him as Satoshi Nakamoto, but everything can be bought there, including a false identity.

I can not understand why the Faketoshi man needs to go seriously like this. If he has Bitcoins from which he claimed Bitcoin Cash then Bitcoin SV, he can simply enjoy his life.

Going to court and facing with many controversial discussions and even negative responses from community, I don't see it will make his life more comfortable and better in anyway.

Does he want to get a stroke and similar by doing such non-sense but stressful efforts?
I wish him best health but possibly with stress, anything with health can happen.

Years ago, I read an analytical article on how the Faketoshi lied with his laptop. Shame!

[hilariousetc]

Day 2.

Craig has finally been sworn in this morning and is now being cross-examined. Several forgeries have been presented to him already and he usually just has some BS excuse to try explain them away. One of the highlights was a forged document where it was clear the date was altered as it was in a different font. His excuse was maybe the printer that printed it out was misaligned and hence why the date is a bit wonky  . Funny how it was only the date that was effected. The judge has barred Craig providing any further 'new' evidence stating his history of providing forgeries, so that's a plus. Craig is very confident in his excuses and I hope COPAs defence push him a little more on these as it's 50/50 when they do, but I guess that's where the con in conman stems from.

They've adjourned for lunch now and the trial will resume shortly at 2pm GMT.

Well that's what COPA have asked for but earlier today Craig's council asked that if they lose for that to be rejected under "human rights" grounds. Hopefully they don't grant that because otherwise this trial is mostly useless.

I do hope they throw out that request.

Well I hope so too. Otherwise the trial is useless and he is free to continue his fraud.

He is very smart. playing a big drama.

Who knows, what is his real intention ?  May be he just want to get attention and fame. May be he just want to make money out of this saga.  He knows, what he is doing.  I read news report about the opening of the case.  His barrister clearly stated that if there is some one else who is the real Satoshi Nakamoto then why he is not claiming ?

It is time  for the COPA members to produce the real Satoshi Nakamoto.  As his barrister has stated, no body is claiming except CSW.  It that correct ?  The rea Satoshi is out there and reading the news and laughing.  Any one can claim to be Satoshi Nakamoto and claim he or she has written the Bitcoin White Paper.  Suppose Dorian Nakamoto come forward and admit that he is the man who is behind the Bitcoin and Blockchain.  What can happen ?  Will the Bitcoin community accept it ?  May be or may be not but the truth is the real Satoshi Nakamoto knows what is going on and on over the last decade.

Why the real Satoshi Nakamoto need to come forward in public to claim that it he who is the inventor of Bitcoin ?

According to the Bitcoin Protocol Private Key is the proof of evidence of ownership of Bitcoin. Why this gentleman suing anyone who des not believe that he is Satoshi Nakamoto ?  What is his intention ?  If he is the inventor then he has lots of Bitcoin.  So why he has to make so much story , hey guys , it is me, I am Dr Craig Steven Wright.  I invented the Bitcoin.  Why did he then published the bloody Bitcoin White Paper under a Japanese pseudonym ?   I am an economic  journalist by profession.  I will be happy to interview him with 1000 questions and dig out the truth.  

His intention is clear: For the courts to pronounce him as Satoshi and heir to his fortune. It is correct that one of his defence's opening arguments was COPA have provided no alternatives to Satoshi and why hasn't Satoshi already come forward, so he must be Satoshi, or at least he is the most likely candidate, like that's a viable excuse. Stuff like that shouldn't even be allowed in court. Nobody has provided any evidence of being god, so maybe Craig is god too.

...and Craig's defence seemed to consist of just letting the court know about Craig's autism and previous suicide attempt due to the stress of trying and failing to prove he's Satoshi. I guess they know they're probably not going to win this so are going for the sympathy route or at least bracing themselves for inevitable failure and using Craig's autism as an excuse for the lies and forged documents.

I am not following this case as I don't have the time for anything related to Craig Wrong...I mean Wright but his saga is really interesting and even angered many people who are the supporters and enthusiasts of Bitcoin. Right from the very start the man is obviously fake and I am even wondering why the media is letting the man play his claims to the roof. Now, am not against anybody's autism and we should be kind to people who are autistic though in the case of Craig I think it is quite funny that his defence his using his condition - that is assuming this is not just another lie - to his advantage. I am sure the court would be ruling eventually against him and COPA will win the case.

Maybe it's a case of the boy who cried wolf but I don't really believe Craig is autistic, or is certainly using it to his advantage. Craig was known to be shopping around for a doctor to give him such a diagnosis and you'll be able to find one to do so. It's not like it isn't hard to fake or feign such a condition either, as with any mental disorder. It's similar to criminals who try get a diagnosis of insanity or other such mental illness to either garner sympathy or explain away their behaviour. Craig has basically got himself a get out of court free pass which allows him to just have a break whenever he wants by feigning a hissy fit or just claiming 'muh autism' if he can't handle the heat. Shame he's resorted to this but what can you do? There's no depths too low that he won't stoop to to further his fraud.

I can not understand why the Faketoshi man needs to go seriously like this. If he has Bitcoins from which he claimed Bitcoin Cash then Bitcoin SV, he can simply enjoy his life.

Going to court and facing with many controversial discussions and even negative responses from community, I don't see it will make his life more comfortable and better in anyway.

Does he want to get a stroke and similar by doing such non-sense but stressful efforts?
I wish him best health but possibly with stress, anything with health can happen.

Years ago, I read an analytical article on how the Faketoshi lied with his laptop. Shame!

He probably has very little ultimately, hence why he's trying to hijack bitcoin to try claim Satoshi's fortune. He can't provide anything concrete so he just has to rely on forgeries and other such nonsense hoping he can just con a court into 'legally' pronouncing him as Satoshi, or at the very least sew enough doubt for the verdict to be inconclusive, which he will obviously spin into a win.

The trail has now resumed. I will provide another update this evening.

[Lucius]

He probably has very little ultimately, hence why he's trying to hijack bitcoin to try claim Satoshi's fortune. He can't provide anything concrete so he just has to rely on forgeries and other such nonsense hoping he can just con a court into 'legally' pronouncing him as Satoshi, or at the very least sew enough doubt for the verdict to be inconclusive, which he will obviously spin into a win.

But even if by some miracle he gets a verdict that he is the real Satoshi with all these falsified evidence, how can he "hijack bitcoin" and take what he thinks belongs to him? From some recent discussions, something was written about the fact that he will ask the developers to make a hard fork, although it is crazy to expect that any of them would ever agree to such idiocy.

In addition, those addresses where he claims that "his coins" are located are obviously not in his possession, as we had the opportunity to see when someone signed a message from exactly those addresses. It always seemed to me that the real Satoshi was the one who signed those messages, given that they are coins that were mined during 2009. I'm really interested in whether this will be discussed at the trial, and if it is, I would definitely like to read about it.

"Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud. He doesn't have the keys used to sign this message.

The Lightning Network is a significant achievement. However, we need to continue work on improving on-chain capacity.

Unfortunately, the solution is not to just change a constant in the code or to allow powerful participants to force out others.

We are all Satoshi"

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[hilariousetc]

He probably has very little ultimately, hence why he's trying to hijack bitcoin to try claim Satoshi's fortune. He can't provide anything concrete so he just has to rely on forgeries and other such nonsense hoping he can just con a court into 'legally' pronouncing him as Satoshi, or at the very least sew enough doubt for the verdict to be inconclusive, which he will obviously spin into a win.

But even if by some miracle he gets a verdict that he is the real Satoshi with all these falsified evidence, how can he "hijack bitcoin" and take what he thinks belongs to him? From some recent discussions, something was written about the fact that he will ask the developers to make a hard fork, although it is crazy to expect that any of them would ever agree to such idiocy.

Well, his argument is that they will legally have to do so by order of the court, in a similar way that Craig will probably have to stop referring to himself as Satoshi if found guilty, or be in contempt of court. What he either wants to do is get the devs to fork bitcoin or just change the code to give him access to Satoshi's lost fortune, or just grant him access as the head dev for him to do as he pleases with bitcoin. I mean, it will be an interesting situation if he did win, but I'm sure COPA/Bitcoin developers would appeal. Craig's whole MO is that you use the courts to prove ownership which is what he's trying to do, similarly as in if he lost a load of cash or property due to fraud or theft you would use the courts to legally try get it back and that's what he's doing here. He's very devious and conniving and that's why I think he's very dangerous, despite him having little chance of winning in court.

In addition, those addresses where he claims that "his coins" are located are obviously not in his possession, as we had the opportunity to see when someone signed a message from exactly those addresses. It always seemed to me that the real Satoshi was the one who signed those messages, given that they are coins that were mined during 2009. I'm really interested in whether this will be discussed at the trial, and if it is, I would definitely like to read about it.

They probably weren't Satoshi's coins. Craig just likely went through the bitcoin "rich list" and chose a load of long-dormant addresses assuming they were either lost or inaccessible, but obviously he was proved wrong. Even worse for him he claimed they were double or triple-encrypted in a bonded courier so it would have been nigh on impossible for anyone to have signed a message from them including him, and that's what he was banking on but obviously shot himself in the foot there. Hopefully they bring this up in the trial.

[Learn Bitcoin]

They have already included autism and attempted suicide in the process, involving drama so that perhaps someone will believe this faker and liar that is Faketoshi. This guy is a joke, a joke in very bad taste to be honest.

The lawyer forgot that including those as an excuse would make them look clueless. They didn't understand that people would take it negatively and people would understand that they were trying to get some sympathy. The court needs some kind of legal and real documents but I don't think they have any.

However, I don't know about the judges, but they should have some technical knowledge as well. Do you guys remember the case between Hodlnut and CSW where the Judge said they do not understand these things well? If the Judge do not understand, how they will make a conclusion?

[Upgrade00]

The lawyer forgot that including those as an excuse would make them look clueless. They didn't understand that people would take it negatively and people would understand that they were trying to get some sympathy.

It's meant to be a free pass out of any sticky situation they find themselves in, buying him more time to keep spewing the crap he does.
It could also be an insurance so should he ever be in the line of getting convicted for his forgeries, he runs back to the fact that he is handicapped and should be giving a lighter punishment.

However, I don't know about the judges, but they should have some technical knowledge as well. Do you guys remember the case between Hodlnut and CSW where the Judge said they do not understand these things well? If the Judge do not understand, how they will make a conclusion?

They could also just get someone to interpret the technical aspects to them and give a clearer understanding on how the network works.

[franky1]

In addition, those addresses where he claims that "his coins" are located are obviously not in his possession

They probably weren't Satoshi's coins. Craig just likely went through the bitcoin "rich list" and chose a load of long-dormant addresses assuming they were either lost or inaccessible, but obviously he was proved wrong. Even worse for him he claimed they were double or triple-encrypted in a bonded courier so it would have been nigh on impossible for anyone to have signed a message from them including him, and that's what he was banking on but obviously shot himself in the foot there. Hopefully they bring this up in the trial.

CSW doesnt own those and yes did infact grab a random "richlist" of publicly available data
the funniest part is the real satoshi knew about things like extranonce and lets say the real satoshi forgot his wallet/lost his wallet.. the real satoshi knew enough that he could have even used Sergios Lerner "patoshi pattern" to grab a list of addresses that would be more accurately possible to be satoshis

CSW is so dumb he didnt even pick the right addresses to seem credible to pretend to own..  because he didnt even do basic research into bitcoin or stuff that the real satoshi would know.

even before the "need a signature proof" drama of those lists.. just checking some of the addresses were not part of the "patoshi pattern" was proof enough that its not a satoshi list csw had.

in short CSW's address selection, by not being based on addresses even sergio lerner could establish, is proof enough CSW aint satoshi because CSW doesnt even know basics of bitcoin to have found a plausible list of addresses.. but yea the real owners of CSW's random selection signing to say they are not CSW is extra proof CSW is a conniving lying idiot

[thecodebear]

Craig Wright is a scum bag plain and simple. He has long abused the legal system in a failed attempt to get his name associated with the inventor of a breakthrough technology. Due to his own actions, Craig Wright's name has become synonymous with pathetic lying fraudster.

[LeezHamilton]

Will the real Satoshi Nakamoto please stand up?

https://mugglehead.com/will-the-real-satoshi-nakamoto-please-stand-up/

Over the last 10 years, people are looking for information of the real man behind Bitcoin and
Blockchain but any body the news reporters suspected to be the wrong guy. Even a CSW has
claimed in some extend but there is no definite proof.  

Now the time has come for the real Satoshi Nakamoto to emerge from the shadow, and tell the
barrister why he has not come forward to claim his stash of Bitcoin and fortune  of credential.

Well, Satoshi does not need to claim it publicly as he has got all those BTC and may be more.
For recognition, yes he can just provide proof and evidence.

According to Metta Data, the real Satoshi is known to the community leaders. Even Jack Dorsey
also know him because it is Satoshi Nakamoto first created a Bitcoin Twitter accounts known as
@Bitcoin and @Nakamoto or may be more.  COPA  is not suing CSW to reveal the true identity
of Satoshi but COPA is suing Craig to stop him suing the developers.   I thing enough is enough !
It is time for COPA to request the real Satoshi to  come forward and reveal his identity with full
evidences so CSW will over out of UK either to Australia or to Caribbean Island to retire from his
elaborate hoax.  I suspect, if COPA and CSW are mutually staging the Case for some other intention
 to destroy BTC then I think the real Satoshi will jump up and challenge CSW to protect the Bitcoin
being get hijacked second times.

[franky1]

COPA  is not suing CSW to reveal the true identity
of Satoshi but COPA is suing Craig to stop him suing the developers.  

copa is not in court asking CSW to reveal the true identity of satoshi.. correct.. but its because EVERYONE including COPA know that CSW knows nothing about satoshi, so its not even a question to need ask CSW about real identity of satoshi

any time anyone asks CSW to prove satoshi is not about revealing satoshi, its more of a trigger to make CSW admit he has no proof/association

copa is in court against CSW to stop him from pretending he is/he knows satoshi
which as a result stops CSW from being a continual lying idiot making false claims.. which results in CSW not able to sue others

According to Metta Data, the real Satoshi is known to the community leaders. Even Jack Dorsey
also know him because it is Satoshi Nakamoto first created a Bitcoin Twitter accounts known as
@Bitcoin and @Nakamoto or may be more.  

those twitter accounts were not made by the real satoshi

jack dorsey doesnt know satoshi

[HmmMAA]

However, I don't know about the judges, but they should have some technical knowledge as well. Do you guys remember the case between Hodlnut and CSW where the Judge said they do not understand these things well? If the Judge do not understand, how they will make a conclusion?

Judge Mellor has an engineering background , i think it will be easier for him to understand the technical aspects of the case
https://www.middletemple.org.uk/bencher-persons-view?cid=32113

As for the rest of the opinions , i will take the opposite stance and wait for the end of trial to finally come to a conclusion . I've been waiting for that outcome ( satoshi or not ) since 2016 . For sure Craig is a pricky dude but that doesn't mean he's not intelligent or polymath . He is definitely a possible candidate of being satoshi . Now it's on his hands to prove what he was saying for a long time , that identity is not being proven with a digital signature ( which i strongly agree ) .

The sad thing for me is that most of the members of the community haven't done their own research of who this man is and just following "influencers" opinion ( Vitalik , Sirer , Heart , CZ etc ) and want to send this man to the fire without a trial . Vitalik , the guy who thinks possessing child porn should not be a crime , has discredited Gavin and Craig first , let's not forget that . Sirer also not one honest guys in the space . Heart is gonna face US justice sooner or later . CZ , well , things not going well for him . All of them have personal interest for a non functioning bitcoin , so draw your conclusion .

Anyways , grab your popcorn and enjoy the show . We will either celebrate him as satoshi or see him behind bars . In case he manages to prove that he is the one , we will have a story like Dostoyevky's .
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Grand_Inquisitor

[ABCbits]

COPA briefly went through a handful of the forged documents including the LaTeX whitepaper and Craig's defence seemed to consist of just letting the court know about Craig's autism and previous suicide attempt due to the stress of trying and failing to prove he's Satoshi. I guess they know they're probably not going to win this so are going for the sympathy route or at least bracing themselves for inevitable failure and using Craig's autism as an excuse for the lies and forged documents.

Ridiculous, especially when CSW never consider mental health on everyone he sued (or attempted to sue).

I don't have to follow up on any live feed when email notifications in the form of newsletters about same court case between COPA vs Craige Wright is delivered to my inbox.
This case is very interesting  indeed:

[propaganda link]

Lol. Come on. CoinGeek is the BSV propaganda arm and you can't get anything unbiased out of them. Every time Craig loses a court case they somehow spin it into a win.

Anything unbiased? I would also say we can some lies about BTC, BCH and BSV on that website. And while we're at it, please remove the link since may raise their position on Google search result.

[hilariousetc]

Day three is just about to start.

However, I don't know about the judges, but they should have some technical knowledge as well. Do you guys remember the case between Hodlnut and CSW where the Judge said they do not understand these things well? If the Judge do not understand, how they will make a conclusion?

Judge Mellor has an engineering background , i think it will be easier for him to understand the technical aspects of the case
https://www.middletemple.org.uk/bencher-persons-view?cid=32113

I still think this case would be hard to follow or understand for most unless you have specific knowledge in bitcoin tech and digital forensics. Craig probably doesn't even know what he's talking about half of the time and usually just rambles on about irrelevance to try seem he's more knowledgeable than he is, but if he doesn't even know what he's talking about it's unlikely the judge or either parties representatives know either.

As for the rest of the opinions , i will take the opposite stance and wait for the end of trial to finally come to a conclusion . I've been waiting for that outcome ( satoshi or not ) since 2016 . For sure Craig is a pricky dude but that doesn't mean he's not intelligent or polymath . He is definitely a possible candidate of being satoshi . Now it's on his hands to prove what he was saying for a long time , that identity is not being proven with a digital signature ( which i strongly agree ) .
will either celebrate him as satoshi or see him behind bars . In case he manages to prove that he is the one , we will have a story like Dostoyevky's .
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Grand_Inquisitor

Craig is a charlatan and a conman plain and simple. Don't let him bamboozle you with hot air and unearned qualifications of which he's been caught plagiarising content for his degrees. He's only a possible candidate in the same way that you or I are. In fact, I'd say there's more chance of either of us two being Satoshi than Craig. Nobody's disproved either of us yet, yet there's over 500 documents against Craig that have proven to be frauds. Craig is just a scammer trying to utilise the fact that Satoshi is both anonymous and AWOL to further his financial frauds. If Craig was Satoshi he would just sign a message and shut everyone up, but he can't, because he's not Satoshi, so has to try prove it with forged documentation and sheer talk.

[NotATether]

Craig is a charlatan and a conman plain and simple. Don't let him bamboozle you with hot air and unearned qualifications of which he's been caught plagiarising content for his degrees. He's only a possible candidate in the same way that you or I are. In fact, I'd say there's more chance of either of us two being Satoshi than Craig. Nobody's disproved either of us yet, yet there's over 500 documents against Craig that have proven to be frauds. Craig is just a scammer trying to utilise the fact that Satoshi is both anonymous and AWOL to further his financial frauds. If Craig was Satoshi he would just sign a message and shut everyone up, but he can't, because he's not Satoshi, so has to try prove it with forged documentation and sheer talk.

Since this guy has over 500 instances of document forgeries, it should be relatively simple for cross-examiners and experts to put them all together and prove him guilty, right?

[franky1]

Craig is a charlatan and a conman plain and simple. Don't let him bamboozle you with hot air and unearned qualifications of which he's been caught plagiarising content for his degrees. He's only a possible candidate in the same way that you or I are. In fact, I'd say there's more chance of either of us two being Satoshi than Craig. Nobody's disproved either of us yet, yet there's over 500 documents against Craig that have proven to be frauds. Craig is just a scammer trying to utilise the fact that Satoshi is both anonymous and AWOL to further his financial frauds. If Craig was Satoshi he would just sign a message and shut everyone up, but he can't, because he's not Satoshi, so has to try prove it with forged documentation and sheer talk.

Since this guy has over 500 instances of document forgeries, it should be relatively simple for cross-examiners and experts to put them all together and prove him guilty, right?

i havnt read any transcript of the copa case yet, but if the 500 docs are things CSW filed in relation to this case (rather than documents he sent out publicly over the years)

knowing how CSW operates. i bet right near the end or after he will say, "those 500 documents were on my hard drive last year when i was about to file, but maybe a ex-employee/adversary got into my computer and tweaked the documents to now be forgeries.. so what i submitted, i thought was the original but is actually tweaked stuff someone replaced when i filed the documents, .. it wasnt me judge"

[Lucius]

~snip~
If Craig was Satoshi he would just sign a message and shut everyone up, but he can't, because he's not Satoshi, so has to try prove it with forged documentation and sheer talk.

Would anyone who has ever read posts from Satoshi on this forum or private correspondence with any of the developers really think that CW is the real Satoshi even if he signed a message from any BTC address believed to belong to Satoshi? At some point, we have to accept that it may happen that someone will come into possession of the private keys of those addresses, which means that even a signed message cannot mean that someone is the original owner.

According to everything we know about Satoshi and CW, they are two completely different people in every sense. CW is nowhere near intelligent enough to play the role of Satoshi, and he shows that every day with his forged evidence - would someone who invented Bitcoin be so incompetent that he couldn't forge a single document in a way that leaves even the slightest doubt of authenticity?

[HmmMAA]

Would anyone who has ever read posts from Satoshi on this forum or private correspondence with any of the developers really think that CW is the real Satoshi even if he signed a message from any BTC address believed to belong to Satoshi? At some point, we have to accept that it may happen that someone will come into possession of the private keys of those addresses, which means that even a signed message cannot mean that someone is the original owner.

That's exactly the reason identity isn't proven the way community wants satoshi to come forward and introduce himself . Keys can be stolen , public identity can't be altered ( well , that doesn't apply to rainbow people ) .

According to everything we know about Satoshi and CW, they are two completely different people in every sense. CW is nowhere near intelligent enough to play the role of Satoshi, and he shows that every day with his forged evidence - would someone who invented Bitcoin be so incompetent that he couldn't forge a single document in a way that leaves even the slightest doubt of authenticity?

Well , by looking at everything craig said and showed of how bitcoin works all these years i tend to think that he is an extremely intelligent person with better understanding of the network than anyone else . Is he satoshi ? Court will decide .

Craig is a charlatan and a conman plain and simple. Don't let him bamboozle you with hot air and unearned qualifications of which he's been caught plagiarising content for his degrees. He's only a possible candidate in the same way that you or I are. In fact, I'd say there's more chance of either of us two being Satoshi than Craig. Nobody's disproved either of us yet, yet there's over 500 documents against Craig that have proven to be frauds. Craig is just a scammer trying to utilise the fact that Satoshi is both anonymous and AWOL to further his financial frauds. If Craig was Satoshi he would just sign a message and shut everyone up, but he can't, because he's not Satoshi, so has to try prove it with forged documentation and sheer talk.

That's what a large part of the community's opinion , i tend to have mine . If court decides he is not satoshi i will put him in my list of fraudsters . Till then he has the presumption of innocence , which i think is the most reasonable and civilised .

[franky1]

That's what a large part of the community's opinion , i tend to have mine . If court decides he is not satoshi i will put him in my list of fraudsters . Till then he has the presumption of innocence , which i think is the most reasonable and civilised .

he is innocently just craig. and we have to presume innocent that he is just craig..
if he or others want to make claims of other things. well proof is needed.. until then he is just craig

dont think that someone can just make claims they are satoshi, god, jesus, mohamed, moses, superman and that we should innocently just trust and believe it as fact unless proven otherwise. its actually the other way round. if someone makes a claim of difference. they need to prove it.

i know we are in a weird era where a guy can just claim he is a women to perve into womens changing rooms. but thats where they need to declare in law and have proof of their change, rather than just their random unproven say so. (when it comes to declarations that affect others)
you can wear a superman costume, old robes or a dress in your own home. but if your claims affect others. expect others to question your claims to protect themselves

[DooMAD]

If court decides he is not satoshi i will put him in my list of fraudsters . Till then he has the presumption of innocence , which i think is the most reasonable and civilised .

The laws of mathematics have already proven him a liar.  If you're waiting for the laws of man to play catch-up, then most of us will assume it's because you aren't ready to accept that you were wrong and fell for a scam:

And i'm pro bsv because i'm a man that lives in my time . I don't use my pentium and my 56kbps modem . Times move on .

You aren't waiting because it's civilised, you're waiting because you got conned.

[hilariousetc]

They've adjourned for lunch now and will be back at 2. Nothing really exciting happened so far. COPA is presenting forgery after forgery and Craig either just disagrees or has some bullshit excuse and they move onto the next one.

Craig is a charlatan and a conman plain and simple. Don't let him bamboozle you with hot air and unearned qualifications of which he's been caught plagiarising content for his degrees. He's only a possible candidate in the same way that you or I are. In fact, I'd say there's more chance of either of us two being Satoshi than Craig. Nobody's disproved either of us yet, yet there's over 500 documents against Craig that have proven to be frauds. Craig is just a scammer trying to utilise the fact that Satoshi is both anonymous and AWOL to further his financial frauds. If Craig was Satoshi he would just sign a message and shut everyone up, but he can't, because he's not Satoshi, so has to try prove it with forged documentation and sheer talk.

Since this guy has over 500 instances of document forgeries, it should be relatively simple for cross-examiners and experts to put them all together and prove him guilty, right?

The judge made them whittle it down to 25 documents I believe. You would think that it's easy but Craig just disagrees and half of the time either COPA's lawyer moves on or just calls him a liar (but in my lighter terms) and then they move onto the next forgery. Hopefully the judge is seeing through it all as he hasn't really said much so far and rarely gets involved but I would be surprised if he's buying any of it.

Craig is a charlatan and a conman plain and simple. Don't let him bamboozle you with hot air and unearned qualifications of which he's been caught plagiarising content for his degrees. He's only a possible candidate in the same way that you or I are. In fact, I'd say there's more chance of either of us two being Satoshi than Craig. Nobody's disproved either of us yet, yet there's over 500 documents against Craig that have proven to be frauds. Craig is just a scammer trying to utilise the fact that Satoshi is both anonymous and AWOL to further his financial frauds. If Craig was Satoshi he would just sign a message and shut everyone up, but he can't, because he's not Satoshi, so has to try prove it with forged documentation and sheer talk.

Since this guy has over 500 instances of document forgeries, it should be relatively simple for cross-examiners and experts to put them all together and prove him guilty, right?

i havnt read any transcript of the copa case yet, but if the 500 docs are things CSW filed in relation to this case (rather than documents he sent out publicly over the years)

knowing how CSW operates. i bet right near the end or after he will say, "those 500 documents were on my hard drive last year when i was about to file, but maybe a ex-employee/adversary got into my computer and tweaked the documents to now be forgeries.. so what i submitted, i thought was the original but is actually tweaked stuff someone replaced when i filed the documents, .. it wasnt me judge"

He's already been using this line and has said it's not him that publishes his blogs or papers etc but an assistant, college, student, ex wife, employee etc. He claimed today that he has a four year backlog of papers he's yet to publish (or more likely yet to forge haha). He's very cunning and conniving and confidently has at least some sort of excuse for everything no matter how ridiculous it may be.  

~snip~
If Craig was Satoshi he would just sign a message and shut everyone up, but he can't, because he's not Satoshi, so has to try prove it with forged documentation and sheer talk.

Would anyone who has ever read posts from Satoshi on this forum or private correspondence with any of the developers really think that CW is the real Satoshi even if he signed a message from any BTC address believed to belong to Satoshi? At some point, we have to accept that it may happen that someone will come into possession of the private keys of those addresses, which means that even a signed message cannot mean that someone is the original owner.

Well probably not now but it would be pretty hard to dispute if Craig signed the genesis block, Satoshi's known addresses or his PGP keys. It's moot point though because he can't do that. It's not very likely that someone could cryptographically prove he was Satoshi other than Satoshi himself unless we get to a point in the future where these things can be bruteforced or exploited by a supercomputer somehow.

Would anyone who has ever read posts from Satoshi on this forum or private correspondence with any of the developers really think that CW is the real Satoshi even if he signed a message from any BTC address believed to belong to Satoshi? At some point, we have to accept that it may happen that someone will come into possession of the private keys of those addresses, which means that even a signed message cannot mean that someone is the original owner.

That's exactly the reason identity isn't proven the way community wants satoshi to come forward and introduce himself . Keys can be stolen , public identity can't be altered ( well , that doesn't apply to rainbow people ) .

That's Craig's convenient excuse. Sure, keys can be stolen but signing them at least proves he is in possession of them currently. If he was serious, he would just sign a message whilst also saying this is not proof or something. Satoshi expertly designed bitcoin this way so someone can prove ownership of their keys, but Craig seems to want to conveniently ignore this. If what Craig is saying is true then he would have designed bitcoin differently and maybe put in some sort of backdoor or allowance for court orders etc, but he didn't, because he's not Satoshi so has to merely rely on bullshit.  

Well , by looking at everything craig said and showed of how bitcoin works all these years i tend to think that he is an extremely intelligent person with better understanding of the network than anyone else . Is he satoshi ? Court will decide .

The courts shouldn't be deciding. Craig can prove it to the entire crypto community in 5 minutes if he wanted to, but he can't. If he somehow unbelievably manages to hoodwink a court into saying he's Satoshi then that still wouldn't mean anything to me. An idiot could be convinced by the nonsense documents that he provides and that's the case with many BSV-ers. It's entirely possible that the courts will decide that you can't prove a negative even if it's likely that they find the documents are all forgeries and not outright proclaim he is or isn't Satoshi but just that the documents he provided hold no validity and what then? We're still meant to pretend he could quite possibly be Satoshi?  

That's what a large part of the community's opinion , i tend to have mine . If court decides he is not satoshi i will put him in my list of fraudsters . Till then he has the presumption of innocence , which i think is the most reasonable and civilised .

If I claimed to be Satoshi would you assume I'm innocent unless a court decides? You should assume anyone who claims to be Satoshi is lying unless they can prove otherwise. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. We have nothing from Craig other than his mountains of forged documents. If he's satoshi then let him prove it cryptographically, not just go here's a printout of an email alluding to I'm satoshi. It's nonsense.

[Cryptomultiplier]

So far so good, the case has had its first hearing and as it is, the case has been adjourned till further notice as new evidences is expected to surface.
I don't see any reason for the case to even hold in the first place, but one fact is that the case would help enthusiast of BTC gain better insight into why and how the come about of BTC idea and the brains behind it.
I don't want to believe that Dr. Wright is Nakamoto Satoshi because it would sure dent the believe of many of us who have come to believe that Satoshi Nakamoto is just a pseudonym for the original founder of the popular and top cryptocurrency, Bitcoin.
 

[HmmMAA]

dont think that someone can just make claims they are satoshi, god, jesus, mohamed, moses, superman and that we should innocently just trust and believe it as fact unless proven otherwise. its actually the other way round. if someone makes a claim of difference. they need to prove it.

Anyone can claim , but only one in each case can prove it . That's the point we are now , proving in court . Either he is or he goes to jail for perjury and other things . Isn't that great ?

The laws of mathematics have already proven him a liar.  If you're waiting for the laws of man to play catch-up, then most of us will assume it's because you aren't ready to accept that you were wrong and fell for a scam:

And i'm pro bsv because i'm a man that lives in my time . I don't use my pentium and my 56kbps modem . Times move on .

You aren't waiting because it's civilised, you're waiting because you got conned.

The laws of mathematics say that when you have 4 aces there are 1 in 165 million chances to lose . But you know , s**ts happen some times .
Being pro bsv doesn't mean i follow craig blindly . In fact i was pro increasing blocksize before craig ( same as Back , Lopp and others ) . So , don't try to find things when there aren't any . Don't embarrass yourself please .

The courts shouldn't be deciding. Craig can prove it to the entire crypto community in 5 minutes if he wanted to, but he can't.

Does he owe something to the community to do it the way community wants if he is satoshi ?

Satoshi expertly designed bitcoin this way so someone can prove ownership of their keys, but Craig seems to want to conveniently ignore this.

Not ownership , but possession . There is a huge difference in between .
If i steal your keys am i the owner of your coins ? Or am i a thief who illegally posses your coins ? And more importantly , if i steal your keys am i you ?
 

If I claimed to be Satoshi would you assume I'm innocent unless a court decides? You should assume anyone who claims to be Satoshi is lying unless they can prove otherwise. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. We have nothing from Craig other than his mountains of forged documents. If he's satoshi then let him prove it cryptographically, not just go here's a printout of an email alluding to I'm satoshi. It's nonsense.

 
Well , from what i see in the court things might not be as how Arthur Van Pelt wants to be . We will see if judge decides these are forged . I guess he will know better than you and me .  
Nonsense , i laughed on that part . Are you living in the real world or at some fantasy island ? That's not how you prove identity .

And a question to the community , if somehow a miracle happens for craig and judge says that he is satoshi , what will be your reaction ?

Edit . I have to mention that i think he should sign from an early block , just do it after proving his identity the legal way and not the other way .

[DooMAD]

*image containing lies removed*

You'd have to be delusional to think that was an "early victory" for the con-man.  I would suggest that you find a new source for your "articles" (in the loosest possible sense of the word), but I suspect your choices are deliberate at this point.  It seems some people are determined to support this crook until the bitter end.

Don't embarrass yourself please .

I can't personally think of anything more embarrassing than being a self-professed BSV supporter, so I'll find it difficult to top that. 

[hilariousetc]

Day three.

More of the same from the second half of the day, but today was the first time I've seen Craig get visibly flustered. He'd presented a notepad as evidence that pre-dated the release of bitcoin allegedly containing the minutes of a meeting where they discussed the things relating to the creation of bitcoin in 2007. The only issue was the manufacturer of the notepad had confirmed that particular item wasn't even released until 2012  . Craig also irrelevantly boasted about his 4000 patents. Maybe one of them is a time machine he used to collect the notepad from the future and bring it back to 2007. Not only does Craig try - and fail - to forge digital documents but now physical ones are proven as nonsense. COPA's lawyer asked Craig why he seems to be more knowledgeable than someone who actually works for the manufacturer. He waffled on about some nonsense. Caught out again.

So far so good, the case has had its first hearing and as it is, the case has been adjourned till further notice as new evidences is expected to surface.
I don't see any reason for the case to even hold in the first place, but one fact is that the case would help enthusiast of BTC gain better insight into why and how the come about of BTC idea and the brains behind it.
I don't want to believe that Dr. Wright is Nakamoto Satoshi because it would sure dent the believe of many of us who have come to believe that Satoshi Nakamoto is just a pseudonym for the original founder of the popular and top cryptocurrency, Bitcoin.
 

See. This is how Coingeek spin the narrative. Craig is sitting there getting called a liar after every piece of info presented to him. He's not winning here; he's getting embarrassed continually.

Does he owe something to the community to do it the way community wants if he is satoshi ?

Well he owes a pretty good explanation for his lies. Pretty much everyone in the crypto community would be instantly silenced by a signing. He tried to do this behind the scenes to hoodwink Gavin so I'm not sure why he can't do it for everyone else. Well, we do know, because he can't do it and his excuse after that was the bonded courier and then that he stamped on the hard drives in a rage. One excuse after the other to cover lies built upon more lies.

Not ownership , but possession . There is a huge difference in between .
If i steal your keys am i the owner of your coins ? Or am i a thief who illegally posses your coins ? And more importantly , if i steal your keys am i you ?

Then at least prove possession. If Satoshi came back and signed the genesis block would you not believe that? This is all we require. I would be instantly silenced if Craig could sign anything belonging to Satoshi. What Craig does it pure distraction and misdirection with nonsense analogies. He says things like house keys don't mean you own the house, the deeds do, and then hands you a bad photocopy of a forged deed he's edited to have his name on it and go see, I own your house. People laugh at this nonsense then he says well I'll try to prove it in court and doesn't prove anything just has more forgeries to try claim he does actually own your house in a poor attempt to try fraudulently steal it from you. He doesn't own anything.
 

Well , from what i see in the court things might not be as how Arthur Van Pelt wants to be . We will see if judge decides these are forged . I guess he will know better than you and me .  

Well, the documents have already been accepted as forgeries by all parties involved including Craig's own witnesses and the court process is for Craig to provide his excuses/reasoning to try dispute that and he's not doing a good job so far. He hasn't said anything that is a viable excuse.



https://twitter.com/CryptoDevil/status/1755215312851537938

Nonsense , i laughed on that part . Are you living in the real world or at some fantasy island ? That's not how you prove identity .

I'm living in the real world. Craig is living in a fantasy land where he thinks he created bitcoin and here's some nonsense documents to prove it. You don't prove you invented bitcoin with forged documents. You know how to prove it, but when you're not Satoshi you're going to have to invent a fantasy world to live in.

Edit . I have to mention that i think he should sign from an early block , just do it after proving his identity the legal way and not the other way .

Well yeah, everyone would love that, but the he's only sat in court right now because fake documents are the only cards he has in his deck. If Craig could sign he would have done it years ago, but it's literally impossible for him to do so s he has to resort to fakery.

[franky1]

Day three.

More of the same from the second half of the day, but today was the first time I've seen Craig get visibly flustered. He'd presented a notepad as evidence that pre-dated the release of bitcoin allegedly containing the minutes of a meeting where they discussed the things relating to the creation of bitcoin in 2007.

gotta laugh how CSW is trying to act like bitcoin was some "business" thing from 2007 ("minutes of meeting")
everyman and his dog can see real satoshi was a solo guy patchworking idea's together from the cypherpunks idea's of digital money as a hobby that grew into an invention. and not some business product with employees

the real satoshi putting it into MIT open licence. yet CSW trying to corporate patent/licence it is another bit of comedy

overall i think the just will just say "bitcoin was put under MIT open licence, so CSW can just go F**K himself" (**= uc/or, you choose)
as for the forgeries.. well CSW is digging himself a hole and his sponsors seem to not want to bail him out when he falls this time, literally this could be his latch ditch effort(unless he finds new sponsors to scam money out of)

[LeezHamilton]

According to the Lord Grabiner statement,

His arguments include that he had a unique set of skills, knowledge and qualification to come up with bitcoin - and his opponents do not propose an alternative candidate for 'Satoshi'.

As the real Satoshi Nakamoto has not come forward to claim his Bitcoin stash and credential or may be a Nobel Prize on economic science, so Craig Wright is a good candidate. Lord Grabiner does not understand that the real Satoshi knows and own his Bitcoin stash. I am confused, why the COPA has not found the real Satoshi Nakamoto and request him to come to the Court to prove that Craig Wright is just a fraud or liar or something else. If the real Satoshi stand up and gives his evidence then the matter could be solved  without further wasting court's time.

The twist is, if whether this Australian man is '' the real Craig Steven Wright ? '' who is gentle and wise, but  I think he is just a look alike of the real Craig Steven Wright the computer hacker, who was spotted by the real Satoshi Nakamoto in IRC Channel back in 7th May 2007. It is the same story to the MT. Gox real CEO, Mark Karpeles,  who went to a Japanese Island back in the year 2013 for a holiday but never returned to Tokyo. So the MT. Gox few officials found a look alike of the real Mark Karpeles and hired him to assumed the CEO position of the MT. Gox. The real Mark Karpeles was a honest geek but the fake Mark Karpeles is dishonest who really mismanaged the MT. Gox fund. Now if the real Craig Wright come forward ad tell the court that man COPA is suing is not the real Craig Wright, who has disappeared after he went for a holiday in Hawaii. Then the case   could be dismissed. Other wise the real Satoshi Nakamoto has to come forward either to debunk CSW claims or bail him out.

But if this whole  case has been setup and orchestrated by Jack Dorsey, COPA team and Craig Wright together mutually just to bank on Satoshi's Stash of Bitcoin then there is another story. Journalists must dig out the truth.  

[franky1]

woah.. i need to make a new category just for insane idiots..
just to have somewhere to put people like leezhamilton into

[LeezHamilton]

I am an economic  journalist by profession.  I will be happy to interview him with 1000 questions and dig out the truth.  

he is not very smart, he is just conniving enough to know how to scam people and use the scams as drama to scam others in a snowball effect

if you were to interview him you will just get 1000 bull crap answers that play into his drama.. wasting your time
unless you have a hammer in one hand and his fingers viced in another hand you wont get any good answers out of him
so dont waste your time our anyone elses.

Well he look like too smart.


Is there a livestream Link of COPA trial  ?

Why some one cannot broadcast ?

What is the news today ?

I don't need hammer, I can pinpoint questions that
he won't be able to answer. well he is playing a good drama.
the news of Bitcoin is reaching to lots of people particularly the
Bankers and Politicians will know few thing about digital currency market.  

woah.. i need to make a new category just for insane idiots..
just to have somewhere to put people like leezhamilton into

Hello franky1,

what do you exactly mean ?

[franky1]

Well he look like too smart.


Is there a livestream Link of COPA trial  ?

Why some one cannot broadcast ?

What is the news today ?

I don't need hammer, I can pinpoint questions that
he won't be able to answer. well he is playing a good drama.

UK courts dont like camera/media in court.
also you have not researched CSW you just sound like a fan that has fallen for his BS already..  that wants him to be satoshi rather than realise that he never was
he is not smart. many people have revealed he uses assistants to ghost write his papers and 400 patents and crap he declares as is own work 2015+
he was not even buying bitcoin until 2013. and not involved before it. so try to learn he is a scammer and stop sounding like a fan

your words of "gentle and wise" and "looks too smart" shows you are an idiot fangirl of him. thus you fit into a new category of insane idiot

[Kakmakr]

I think, if your legal team starts proceedings with explanations of their clients mental conditions, then you should understand the peculiar position that they are in.

Two of his Autism symptoms does make sense, namely taking longer to understand that he is not Satoshi Nakamoto and also thinking and doing the same thing over and over again. ( I know many people who has autism and I understand their struggles... and I see none of that in him)  Do they have medical proof of his diagnosis?

I just hope the Judge understand the technical aspects of the evidence and see right through all his lies.  

[franky1]

I just hope the Judge understand the technical aspects of the evidence and see right through all his lies.  

i think the forensics of people that manufactured things like notepad saying that their product was not even available pre 2012 is proof even a judge can understand
other software engineers have said how certain fonts and certain software and cryptography versions were not around in the dates CSW suggests. even a judge can understand this.

the judge doesnt need to know the minutia of cryptography. but can find easy understanding if certain cryptographic versions/features did not exist to be used before they were invented

judges in ALL cases have to base it on the merit of evidence provided. which if shown as fraudulent then get thrown out as evidence
they dont assume emotions or personality or peoples thoughts as things to justify fraudulent documents should be treated as fact

(its why sexual crimes dont get convictions if there is no factual evidence(DNA/video/witness). they cant just base crimes on someones mental state)

previous cases CSW relied on "witnesses" (paid for buddies). but this case seems to want real original documents.. which CSW lacks

[HmmMAA]

@OP i think that you too biased to listen what he says . That's why you and others laughing with what he says . That's the reason most of the community thinks he's an incompetent liar . He might be a liar but he's not incompetent . As i said in an earlier post he is one of the people with the deeper knowledge about bitcoin . But no one wants  to hear what he says . Try to be unbiased and you will understand that he has right in many spots .
As you know his opponents ( AVP , Lopp etc ) were saying that he doesn't even have diplomas . Does he give you that impression ? Do you think he is/was a forensics expert? Do you think he lies about his contribution of CHFI book written in 2007 ? Did the lawyer question his diplomas ? Has he debunk the blacknet project that AVP says is imaginary ?
What i mean is that the guy is not someone incompetent as presented by his enemies . He is a knowledgeable guy in many fields . Is he a liar ? Well , that's what courts are for .

I agree that some times he moves in muddy waters , but that doesn't necessarily means he's lying . My knowledge is limited and that's why i wait for the outcome of the trial . There are some points though that he questions the expertise of the experts . Like how do you explain the part that copa lawyer says that whitepaper was written in open office and calls him a liar when he says it was written in latex while if you do a search for the term "transactions" in the online pdf version the word is highlighted also in pictures ? From what i know you can't do that with an image . That means copa's expert has made a mistake that whitepaper isn't written in latex . And if an expert has made such a serious error doesn't that question his expertise ? If you have any other explanation for this kindly let me know . Maybe i get it wrong .

@LeezHamilton You can send an email to have live access through a unique link , broadcasting isn't allowed , you will find the necessary info here https://www.judiciary.uk/judgments/crypto-open-patient-alliance-v-dr-craig-steven-wright-and-dr-wright-v-various/

Another thing i'd like to point is that meta/facebook was a part of copa . Did that sound right for you ? Was zuck/facebook interested for the good of bitcoin ? Jack/ex twitter too ? These two guys are the real form of "big brother" of the internet and suddenly decided to "help" bitcoin , hooray . At least zuck decided to move back 1 year before his platinum membership expires and leave copa . Strange coincidence .

[ABCbits]

@OP i think that you too biased to listen what he says . That's why you and others laughing with what he says . That's the reason most of the community thinks he's an incompetent liar . He might be a liar but he's not incompetent . As i said in an earlier post he is one of the people with the deeper knowledge about bitcoin . But no one wants  to hear what he says . Try to be unbiased and you will understand that he has right in many spots .

There are many instance where he lacks technical knowledge though. For example, proving he can code by copy-paste hello world[1]. And in his settlements offer, he even mistook name of full node software as name of crypotcurrency[2].

Another thing i'd like to point is that meta/facebook was a part of copa . Did that sound right for you ? Was zuck/facebook interested for the good of bitcoin ? Jack/ex twitter too ? These two guys are the real form of "big brother" of the internet and suddenly decided to "help" bitcoin , hooray . At least zuck decided to move back 1 year before his platinum membership expires and leave copa . Strange coincidence .

That's weird. I digged a bit and it's true until recently Meta was part of their platinum member[3]. But i disagree about your speculation since when COPA it's created, it state goal about shared patent for defensive purpose[4].

[1] https://web.archive.org/web/20181110091329/https://toshitimes.com/craig-wright-proves-he-can-code-by-copy-pasting-hello-world-program/
[2] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5413844.msg63565854#msg63565854
[3] https://web.archive.org/web/20231111171804/https://www.opencrypto.org/members/
[4] https://www.linux.com/news/getting-to-know-the-cryptocurrency-open-patent-alliance-copa/

[LeezHamilton]

Well he look like too smart.


Is there a livestream Link of COPA trial  ?

Why some one cannot broadcast ?

What is the news today ?

I don't need hammer, I can pinpoint questions that
he won't be able to answer. well he is playing a good drama.

UK courts dont like camera/media in court.
also you have not researched CSW you just sound like a fan that has fallen for his BS already..  that wants him to be satoshi rather than realise that he never was
he is not smart. many people have revealed he uses assistants to ghost write his papers and 400 patents and crap he declares as is own work 2015+
he was not even buying bitcoin until 2013. and not involved before it. so try to learn he is a scammer and stop sounding like a fan

your words of "gentle and wise" and "looks too smart" shows you are an idiot fangirl of him. thus you fit into a new category of insane idiot

I am not a uncivilised person, so I use word like of those politicians.  I am not a a fan of Craig Wright neither I hate him. I am here in this forum acting as a neutral person to gather information only.  

[HmmMAA]

There are many instance where he lacks technical knowledge though. For example, proving he can code by copy-paste hello world[1].

I don't think that Charles Sturt University was also a part of the conspiracy to let a guy who can't even code hello world be a lecturer of them on a class about supercomputers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybvQ1YwcF-0&list=PLGB2uErtks4o-fJdoe1ZX3HXl_A69Sbsv

[hilariousetc]

@OP i think that you too biased to listen what he says . That's why you and others laughing with what he says . That's the reason most of the community thinks he's an incompetent liar . He might be a liar but he's not incompetent . As i said in an earlier post he is one of the people with the deeper knowledge about bitcoin . But no one wants  to hear what he says . Try to be unbiased and you will understand that he has right in many spots .

I was neutral to Craig being Satoshi until he continually proves he's not time and time again. Currently there's zero verifiable evidence of Craig being Satoshi yet hundreds of documents proving he's a fraud. You seem to want me to remain neutral despite the overwhelming evidence that suggest otherwise. Should I remain neutral to Craig having a time machine to collect a notepad proven to be from the future?

As you know his opponents ( AVP , Lopp etc ) were saying that he doesn't even have diplomas . Does he give you that impression ? Do you think he is/was a forensics expert? Do you think he lies about his contribution of CHFI book written in 2007 ? Did the lawyer question his diplomas ? Has he debunk the blacknet project that AVP says is imaginary ?
What i mean is that the guy is not someone incompetent as presented by his enemies . He is a knowledgeable guy in many fields . Is he a liar ? Well , that's what courts are for .

His qualifications seem to either be non-existent or at best obtained via plagiarism, so therefore his qualifications are useless, not that qualifications mean anything anyway. The real Satoshi could be a high school drop out for all we know. Craig seems to get these qualifications purely as a way to bolster his credibility, when in fact they do the opposite when he's obtained them through fraud.

Another thing i'd like to point is that meta/facebook was a part of copa . Did that sound right for you ? Was zuck/facebook interested for the good of bitcoin ? Jack/ex twitter too ? These two guys are the real form of "big brother" of the internet and suddenly decided to "help" bitcoin , hooray . At least zuck decided to move back 1 year before his platinum membership expires and leave copa . Strange coincidence .

Shouldn't you be remaining neutral to Meta/Facebook's involvement. I'm sure Meta's involvement is financial to ensure bitcoin and blockchain tech remains free to use, but I don't care either way. I'm just glad someone with very deep pockets is involved so COPA can afford to keep Craig in court for as long as it takes.

There are many instance where he lacks technical knowledge though. For example, proving he can code by copy-paste hello world[1].

I don't think that Charles Sturt University was also a part of the conspiracy to let a guy who can't even code hello world be a lecturer of them on a class about supercomputers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybvQ1YwcF-0&list=PLGB2uErtks4o-fJdoe1ZX3HXl_A69Sbsv

Charles Sturt University has confirmed they never handed Craig a PHD:

Reports that Australian Dr Craig Steven Wright is probably Satoshi Nakamoto, the creator of Bitcoin, now appear less than convincing. This is thanks to inconsistencies that may have have been perpetuated by the man himself, as well as proof of technical fakery linked to Wright or someone trying to concoct a remarkable hoax.

Indeed, Wright may be no Dr at all. His now-wiped LinkedIn page (you can still read the extensive profile here) suggested he had a PhD in computer science with Sydney's Charles Sturt University (CSU). But a statement sent to FORBES today from the university said it had never handed Wright any PhD. "Mr Wright has not been awarded a PhD from CSU," the statement read.

That might not seem crucial, but when one looks at what Wright claimed to have studied as part of that PhD - economics, financial modelling - it becomes a lot more suspicious. Did Wright want to make it appear that he had a strong background in computing and finance, two areas that certainly would have helped him come up with ideas for a cryptocurrency?

The statement confirmed Wright was handed three qualifications from the university: Master of Networking and Systems Administration, Master of Management (Information Technology), and Master of Information Systems Security.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2015/12/11/bitcoin-creator-satoshi-craig-wright-lies-hoax/

Not to mention he's also been caught plagiarising content from his degrees obtained from CSU:

https://medium.com/@paintedfrog/craig-wright-plagiarized-significant-portions-of-his-phd-thesis-and-tried-to-hide-it-80cd8f01459

And also Northumbria University:

https://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2020/05/11/craig-wrights-doctoral-thesis-being-investigated-for-plagiarism/

The second time was to highlight Wright as the poster child for cryptocurrency’s plagiarism problem. There, we highlighted how Wright, despite making strong stands against plagiarism in the past, has faced nearly a dozen allegations of plagiarism in his work, including his dissertation that earned him his Master of Laws degree from Northumbria University.

Craig is the very definition of a charlatan. He cannot achieve anything so resorts to fantasy and fraud.

@OP i think that you too biased to listen what he says . That's why you and others laughing with what he says . That's the reason most of the community thinks he's an incompetent liar . He might be a liar but he's not incompetent . As i said in an earlier post he is one of the people with the deeper knowledge about bitcoin . But no one wants  to hear what he says . Try to be unbiased and you will understand that he has right in many spots .

There are many instance where he lacks technical knowledge though. For example, proving he can code by copy-paste hello world[1]. And in his settlements offer, he even mistook name of full node software as name of crypotcurrency[2].

I just wish COPA would pull out a laptop, sit it in front of Craig and tell him to code bitcoin from scratch and see what he comes up with. I'd be very surprised if he could come up with something even remotely feasible.

[franky1]

As you know his opponents ( AVP , Lopp etc ) were saying that he doesn't even have diplomas . Does he give you that impression ? Do you think he is/was a forensics expert?

he wasnt a forensics expert
heck he cant even forge his own documents correctly so doesnt know much about forensics to cover his own lies
also when he created companies like "info defense"/"hotwire" he was not actually offering any real services. didnt even have a server farm of super computers, he was just creating shell companies scamming both the australian and american governments for R&D grants/tax rebates.. the american gov never gave him any money and his partner seen early the scam and stepped away. but he did manage to scam the australian government and got caught(and ran off)

..
added note of future prospects of CSW drama
CSW filed forged documents to australian gov over years and got caught.., however CSW and his then team then tried to suggest the documents he filed with australians gov were THEN edited where he blamed the australian government for falsifying/editing the documents..
so as i said in earlier post i expect him to later suggest he will say(probably, as its his style) that he had originals, but at filing someone else edited the files either an assistant of his at filing or the UK courts edited it at receipt and presented him at court with edited documents

[hilariousetc]

Day four

Day four has now concluded. As usual Craig has been blaming everyone but himself for the forgeries. He admitted today that several documents are in fact fraudulent, but passed the buck onto disgruntled ex-employees who are trying to make him look "incompetent". No Craig, you make yourself look incompetent. Not sure why he's using these documents as part of his defence but I guess he needs to backtrack once they get exposed as faked. They also went into the Tulip Trust nonsense and brought up his ATO tax issues.

Craig has also claimed the Kleiman court case where he was ordered to pay billions was one of the best things that happened to him as his outburst lead him to seek anger management. Craig will take very opportunity to grab some sympathy.

Also of note some BSV-tard shared a screenshot of holdnaut attending proceedings on twitter, thus being in contempt of court. The judge warned that access to the live stream may be cut if it happens again. Seems like it would be in the interest of BSV-ers to have the stream terminated so I'm not sure why one bad actor should penalise everyone else. Hopefully the person is prosecuted.

As you know his opponents ( AVP , Lopp etc ) were saying that he doesn't even have diplomas . Does he give you that impression ? Do you think he is/was a forensics expert?

he wasnt a forensics expert
heck he cant even forge his own documents correctly so doesnt know much about forensics to cover his own lies
also when he created companies like "info defense"/"hotwire" he was not actually offering any real services. didnt even have a server farm of super computers, he was just creating shell companies scamming both the australian and american governments for R&D grants/tax rebates.. the american gov never gave him any money and his partner seen early the scam and stepped away. but he did manage to scam the australian government and got caught(and ran off)

..
added note of future prospects of CSW drama
CSW filed forged documents to australian gov over years and got caught.., however CSW and his then team then tried to suggest the documents he filed with australians gov were THEN edited where he blamed the australian government for falsifying/editing the documents..
so as i said in earlier post i expect him to later suggest he will say(probably, as its his style) that he had originals, but at filing someone else edited the files either an assistant of his at filing or the UK courts edited it at receipt and presented him at court with edited documents

Another note: Craig has literally claimed to be one of the world's leading IT security experts, yet he's been hacked more times than I can count. Some of the excuses he comes up with to explain the hacks are also fanciful. See the Pineapple hack:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10PAgBTPt60
https://mylegacykit.medium.com/will-craig-wrights-purchase-order-forgery-blow-up-the-pineapple-hack-lawsuit-8ae4da6fffdb
https://fullycrypto.com/craig-wright-ordered-to-pay-430000-in-pineapple-case

Wright claims that in February 2020 an Oceans 11-style team broke into his house, planted a pineapple WiFi device and stole access to Bitcoin and Bitcoin Cash wallets holding billions in bitcoin and BSV, as well as wiping 50GB of cloud data for no readily apparent reason.

Like all normal people, rather than appealing for public assistance in tracking down the gang, Wright sued the developers of the chains involved, saying that they had a duty to give him back the coins. This is despite there being ample evidence that the coins were never Wright’s to begin with.

You can even read the ridiculous story on Coingeek:

https://coingeek.com/dr-craig-wright-stolen-bitcoin-heres-what-went-down/

Access to Tulip Trading’s coins was controlled using keys stored on Dr. Wright’s home computer in Surrey. The keys were contained in encrypted wallet.dat files, which were contained within a password-protected RAR file. The wallet.dat files themselves were also protected by an algorithmic masking scheme as a layer of added protection.

Dr. Wright discovered that there had been a hack on Saturday, February 8, 2020, when he noticed three transactions (‘two of them substantial’) transferring Bitcoin out of a wallet unrelated to the 1Feex and 12ib7 addresses. This led him to find that the RAR file was also missing, together with 37GB of files which had been wiped from cloud storage and which contained ‘approximately 50’ white papers and associated research data. £1.1 million worth of BSV, held in a separate wallet, had also been drained, and a further 0.333 BTC held on a popular exchange had been taken, too. Crucially, by losing the RAR file, Dr. Wright had lost any means to control the enormous holdings in the 1Feex and 12ib7 addresses.

Dr. Wright maintains that he can’t be sure how the hack happened, but intriguingly, says that he believes the hack was in part effected via a mysterious wireless router which he had subsequently found in his home and which no one in his family recognize:

“I believe that it must have been planted there by the hackers, either when tradesmen were in our home or by breaking in. This is being considered by the Police and me in the context of the ongoing investigation.”

The hacks are obviously convenient excuses to cover up lies he made up to cover up previous lies.

[NeuroticFish]

He admitted today that several documents are in fact fraudulent, but passed the buck onto disgruntled ex-employees who are trying to make him look "incompetent". No Craig, you make yourself look incompetent.

I fear that CSW somehow prepares himself for a next step. I don't know if that's possible, but maybe he just tries to find out all the "problems" his "doctored" "evidence" documents have so he can make better ones next time, under the next jurisdiction.
At least this is my conclusion from what I've read on the matter until now.

[LeezHamilton]

 
 This is very simple, if is real Satoshi and started mining bitcoin since January 2009 and he is continuously mining Bitcoin then what are the odd ?  Why he is trying to become Japanese pseudonym ?  I gave him a pseudonym Professor Faustus.  or Dr Faustus in the Twitter. 

He should be happy with that pseudonym and conduct business to help the crypto community. Instead, he cited hate to the Satoshi Nakamoto when he first time created his internet blog back in 2016. I have not forgotten that.  This case is highly a orchestrated Bitcoin saga drama regarding a man's pseudonym  who created the Bitcoin Decentralised financial service industry. 

Satoshi is not hiding at all, he is watching and thinking what is his next  move. He is the chess master. If craig stop his crusade and become an ally top the bitcoin community then things will good for him and for every ones else.

He should be grateful to Satoshi Nakamoto who planned to invite him back in 2007 to work with Satoshi.

[franky1]

Day four

Day four has now concluded. As usual Craig has been blaming everyone but himself for the forgeries. He admitted today that several documents are in fact fraudulent, but passed the buck onto disgruntled ex-employees who are trying to make him look "incompetent".

not surprised at all, not first time he played this trick
knowing that millions of legal costs are at risk. i would not even be surprised if he paid off a loyal fan girl to play disgruntled to later say they messed with CSW files. again not first time he pays people to play act a bit of drama to push his agenda

[LeezHamilton]

 The UK Court should have allowed relaying the full livestream for media coverage. Why the court has taken such decision is confusing, may be not for others but is for myself.  Ultimately COPA will win the case.

[cryptosize]

That's exactly the reason identity isn't proven the way community wants satoshi to come forward and introduce himself . Keys can be stolen , public identity can't be altered ( well , that doesn't apply to rainbow people ) .

If someone had stolen Satoshi's keys, chances are he would try to liquidate his huge stash (1.100.000 BTC) either to become rich (in terms of USD/EUR) and/or to destroy BTC's reputation (with a sharp drop in fiat valuation).

Also, nobody has revealed Satoshi's identity so far, but HmmMAA claims it's a covert NSA/CIA conspiracy (they "know" who Satoshi is, but they just won't tell anyone, even though we know governments want to destroy BTC).

My knowledge is limited

And yet, you're here to judge others and claim that you have some sort of "technical expertise".

Wanna tell us what's your expertise? What do you do for a living in the real world? (I don't want to reveal it for you)

[LeezHamilton]

The COPA - v- Dr Craig Wright Litigation is a very high profile litigation in history.

Without an extra ordinary evidence Dr Craig Wright and his barrister will be embarrassed. No body knows what will happen next week. But I have got a Prophecy, which will be an extra ordinary twist.

Read my prophecy. Click the link bellow.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5484503.msg63639307#msg63639307

Comment on my twist, bet on it, you might get 1.1 BTC as a bona fide gift from the twister Satoshi Nakamoto  

  

[DooMAD]

drivel

If nothing else, this thread is certainly giving me some new names for my distrust list.  Maybe it's a good thing it's not a self-moderated topic.  The vermin seem more eager to out themselves this way.  Obvious BSV shills and trolls are obvious.

~LeezHamilton
~Cryptomultiplier
~HmmMAA

[hilariousetc]

Day five:

More of the same from Craig today as he has been playing more of the blame game and pleading the Shaggy Defence (it wasn't me) and everyone but him is responsible for the faked documents he has submitted in evidence of him being Satoshi. Today he claimed Christen Ager-Hanssen basically hacked into not only his computer to plant faked documents to frame him but that he also hacked his phone and had access to all his personal communications such as emails and whatsapp messages for months. Quite impressive to hack both devices of one of the world's most leading security experts and for Craig not to know he was being monitored for such a length of time.

Craig also got a telling off for reportedly speaking with Australian Financial Review during the trial. In fairness to him it did look like they ensnared him on his way out and spun a offhand comment into an entire article, that is if you believe Craig, which we all know the answer to that question but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt here.

There's a couple of Craig Wright bingo cards for anyone watching and wants to play along:

https://twitter.com/Twentynothing00/status/1755921531568296360


https://twitter.com/THBitcoinBuddha/status/1755909856093962444


If anyone wants a recap of the first few days of the trail the excellent Dr Bitcoin podcast has done an hour episode covering some of the juiciest bits and it's well worth a listen rather than just watching the stream or reading tweets etc: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOnnlLm8_9c

Trial is adjourned until Monday. Will be back with updates then.

The UK Court should have allowed relaying the full livestream for media coverage. Why the court has taken such decision is confusing, may be not for others but is for myself.  Ultimately COPA will win the case.

You can request a link to the stream but you need to give them your full name. Not sure why it isn't fully public but maybe they don't want people recording and sharing it en mass. It's not terribly exciting unless you enjoy listing to Craig waffle on about irrelevant bullshit. I'm sure it will get spicier once the expert witnesses are called.

[franky1]

More of the same from Craig today as he has been playing more of the blame game and pleading the Shaggy Defence (it wasn't me) and everyone but him is responsible for the faked documents he has submitted in evidence of him being Satoshi. Today he claimed Christen Ager-Hanssen basically hacked into not only his computer to plant faked documents to frame him but that he also hacked his phone and had access to all his personal communications such as emails and whatsapp messages for months.

as expected.. nothing new. he done same tactic with ATO in 2014

heres my theory
Christen Ager-Hanssen invested into CSW scam over the years (financially or sweat equity of promised returns. and now wanted out). and CSW/CSW sponsors like Ayres said "if you act like a disgruntled employee and cause some social drama leaking things that will cause a media storm to get my name viral again, to make me news worthy and notable again ill pay you, and you can be made whole and exit with a golden handshake" (paid dupe)
as that too is not a new trick of CSW

[BlackHatCoiner]

Anyone can claim , but only one in each case can prove it . That's the point we are now , proving in court . Either he is or he goes to jail for perjury and other things . Isn't that great ?

Do you really believe he is Satoshi? Let's leave the court asides for a moment. Do you find the overall "evidence" convincing to you?

If i steal your keys am i the owner of your coins ? Or am i a thief who illegally posses your coins ? And more importantly , if i steal your keys am i you ?

No, but if you claim to be me, and you have no other ways to prove such a thing (like a drivers license), then a signed message from the PGP is at least required. You can't claim to be an anonymous person with no evidence apart from forgeries. Satoshi, whoever he is, posted a PGP key. This, along with the genesis public key, are the only elements which can certify his identity. Beyond that, not much else is known about him.

You can't treat potentially everyone as Satoshi. Everyone is not Satoshi until proven otherwise. And as time goes by, these signed messages will count even less as solid evidence due to the development of quantum computing which will sooner or later be used to compromise his keys.

[LeezHamilton]

Anyone can claim , but only one in each case can prove it . That's the point we are now , proving in court . Either he is or he goes to jail for perjury and other things . Isn't that great ?

Do you really believe he is Satoshi? Let's leave the court asides for a moment. Do you find the overall "evidence" convincing to you?

If i steal your keys am i the owner of your coins ? Or am i a thief who illegally posses your coins ? And more importantly , if i steal your keys am i you ?

No, but if you claim to be me, and you have other ways to prove such a thing (like a drivers license), then a signed message from the PGP is at least required. You can't claim to be an anonymous person with no evidence apart from forgeries. Satoshi, whoever he is, posted a PGP key. This, along with the genesis public key, are the only elements which can certify his identity. Beyond that, not much else is known about him.

You can't treat potentially everyone as Satoshi. Everyone is not Satoshi until proven otherwise. And as time goes by, these signed messages will count even less as solid evidence due to the development of quantum computing which will sooner or later be used to compromise his keys.

Satoshi had 2 PGP keys with MIT server. Aaron Swartz hacked MIT to destroy Satoshi's PGP Keys. Aaron Swartz is not dead as his dead donkey drama were staged to fool the government. His full names then was Aaron David Swartz but he has dropped Aaron from his names and now he is known  by is last two names. Any one can fool any one but not their own grandfather.

Satoshi does not need to prove anything to any one and he is not craving for a Nobel Prize in economic.

[franky1]

Satoshi had 2 PGP keys with MIT server. Aaron Swartz hacked MIT to destroy Satoshi's PGP Keys. Aaron Swartz is not dead as his dead donkey drama were staged to fool the government. His full names then was Aaron David Swartz but he has dropped Aaron from his names and now he is known  by is last two names. Any one can fool any one but not their own grandfather.

Satoshi does not need to prove anything to any one and he is not craving for a Nobel Prize in economic.

i know ur trolling.. but its a laugh to think you even want to attempt to now say satoshi is also a reddit creator and wire fraud convicted guy
maybe its time u stop wasting your life wanting criminals to be satoshi and actually spend some time learning about how bitcoin works and how facts work and do something with yourself to better your life and prospects

[LeezHamilton]

Satoshi had 2 PGP keys with MIT server. Aaron Swartz hacked MIT to destroy Satoshi's PGP Keys. Aaron Swartz is not dead as his dead donkey drama were staged to fool the government. His full names then was Aaron David Swartz but he has dropped Aaron from his names and now he is known  by is last two names. Any one can fool any one but not their own grandfather.

Satoshi does not need to prove anything to any one and he is not craving for a Nobel Prize in economic.

i know ur trolling.. but its a laugh to think you even want to attempt to now say satoshi is also a reddit creator and wire fraud convicted guy
maybe its time u stop wasting your life wanting criminals to be satoshi and actually spend some time learning about how bitcoin works and how facts work and do something with yourself to better your life and prospects

You are an interesting person. No, I do not think the way you have described here, I was reading you many post. Actually I am a reader, I am not a BTC buyer or trader, I am just a SR. I like too do what you said but have no much time for it.  Can teach me some technical thing if you have some time for me ? 

Real Satoshi is an Angel. He has nothing to do with business world people or money mongers or criminal. Satoshi first created rBitcoin in the Reddit in back May 2007.  you can look for Metadata of rBitcoin of Reddit. Satoshi did not created Reddit.

A Request: My friend like to create Bitcoin address offline, which software or BTC address generator is good for her ?  I am not a technical person. I know only Journalism. Thanks for your comments. 

[pinggoki]

More of the same from Craig today as he has been playing more of the blame game and pleading the Shaggy Defence (it wasn't me) and everyone but him is responsible for the faked documents he has submitted in evidence of him being Satoshi. Today he claimed Christen Ager-Hanssen basically hacked into not only his computer to plant faked documents to frame him but that he also hacked his phone and had access to all his personal communications such as emails and whatsapp messages for months. Quite impressive to hack both devices of one of the world's most leading security experts and for Craig not to know he was being monitored for such a length of time.

Wow, now it's a planted documents that's being a defense against the litigation. The holes in his story just keeps getting bigger and bigger day by day, it seems that there's no other for Craig now but to admit I guess, this is probably a last ditch effort to try and delay the case as there's going to be an investigation that the documents that proves him to be Satoshi are planted by Hanssen, totally weird that he trusts someone on his computer and that he didn't know that it was compromised, goes to show that he's a big fat liar.

[HmmMAA]

Do you really believe he is Satoshi? Let's leave the court asides for a moment. Do you find the overall "evidence" convincing to you?

Back in 2016 i thought it might be him based on the body language after breakdown . I had already watched the bitcoin belle panel and bitcoin doco documentary which intrigued me . Later i started researching with others and found that he was not as incompetent as the majority said . The things that added to my opinion that he possibly is was his series about how bitcoin works , whitepaper , small world networks , philosophy and more . This guy is definitely a polymath and a really sharp mind . People in here will laugh with this but it's common for those that just stick to others opinions because they are too lazy to do some proof of work (sick ) .
At this point i'm 95% certain that he is satoshi or was one of the architects behind the pseudonym . The last 5% will be either a significant proof like a receipt of bitcoin.org purchase or something significant like what he mentioned in the trial that there is a steganographic message in the whitepaper which only satoshi could know . A public signing message will be insignificant after that and probably people will understand why he chose to do it this way .
Of course there is the case that none of this happens and i'm just wrong , but that doesn't mean that the process is wrong .

No, but if you claim to be me, and you have no other ways to prove such a thing (like a drivers license), then a signed message from the PGP is at least required. You can't claim to be an anonymous person with no evidence apart from forgeries. Satoshi, whoever he is, posted a PGP key. This, along with the genesis public key, are the only elements which can certify his identity. Beyond that, not much else is known about him.

Your assumption is that he has no other ways to prove who he is and that satoshi is anonymous while it's just a pseudonym .  And based on that assumption you think that he should do what most people want which is to sign . By doing that he's admitting that what most think is the right thing to do . He choose to do it the hard way , and if he can't he will be discredited and possibly go to jail .
Joseph Vaughn-Perling said in one of his interviews back in 2016 :
"The world can learn much from what he has done and how. He is showing what cryptography does and does not do. It is a lesson that the world needs to learn before mass adoption can occur."
"People do not understand what cryptography does and does not do. People do not understand pseudonymous. Having a key means you have a key. It does not mean you had it previously, or that you will have it in the future."

You should read and listen about what Ian Grigg has said about identity and the problems with PGP keys . You have a false impression of how identity works .

You can't treat potentially everyone as Satoshi. Everyone is not Satoshi until proven otherwise. And as time goes by, these signed messages will count even less as solid evidence due to the development of quantum computing which will sooner or later be used to compromise his keys.

I disagree , not everyone can be satoshi . I can't be , as i don't have the technical skills . You too even with more skills . Probably 99.9 % of the community doesn't have the skills . Don't fall to the childish motos of maxi's like we are all satoshi or wagmi . That's for 5yo's .

Edit. I think i missread your last quote , did i ? My english suck . I totally agree .

[franky1]

HmmMAA & LeezHamilton's information "sources"(pronounced for satire) are closer to ketchup, not credible

I had already watched the bitcoin belle panel

fun fact
even going back as far as CSW's first public appearance (in that panel you speak of).. bitcoin belle later opened up, admitted and debunks many things about CSW, she admits she was duped into introducing him to the "big players" of bitcoin via his conniving tactics

[BlackHatCoiner]

[...]

Just wow. I believed the answer to my question would be a "no", and that you just supported big blocks. I mean, we had our disagreements about block size and privacy in the past, but believing with certainty that CSW is Satoshi? That assertion goes beyond the extreme of the fallacies.

I don't have anything in response. Just look at the mountains of evidence of Craig being a pathetic liar and actively submitting forgeries, which you must be ignoring.

[LeezHamilton]

I thought he say himself a complete fool or idiot but called himself a complete 'arse'

 https://www.lawgazette.co.uk/news/i-was-a-complete-arse-to-my-solicitors-bitcoin-inventor-tells-court/5118705.article

[HmmMAA]

I mean, we had our disagreements about block size and privacy in the past, but believing with certainty that CSW is Satoshi?

I don't believe with certainty , don't twist my words . Certainty has a specific meaning . I'm not 100% certain , but if you decide to spend time and don't get your opinion from what others offer you you will see that things are as others say . In other words get outside of your echo chamber . May i ask what will you say in the extreme case he proves in court that he is satoshi ? Will you leave this community as it's against your bias and never use bitcoin again ?   

I don't have anything in response. Just look at the mountains of evidence of Craig being a pathetic liar and actively submitting forgeries, which you must be ignoring.

I don't ignore anything contrary to you and most in here , on the opposite i take those into consideration and i want to see if there are other reasons that those seem like something obvious . Do you disagree that we should have courts to solve cases like this or should we look at what twitter majority says to come to a conclusion ?

What you don't understand is that this is his only trial so far that has to do with identity . It's his last chance to prove what he says for years in his way . If he doesn't provide the necessary info i'm on your side . if he provides it you will be on my side or will you try to find excuses to still stand on your opinion ?

[cryptosize]

HmmMAA & LeezHamilton's information "sources"(pronounced for satire) are closer to ketchup, not credible

I had already watched the bitcoin belle panel

fun fact
even going back as far as CSW's first public appearance (in that panel you speak of).. bitcoin belle later opened up, admitted and debunks many things about CSW, she admits she was duped into introducing him to the "big players" of bitcoin via his conniving tactics

HmmMAA is not a good judge of characters, otherwise he would have understood that CSW is a huge narcissist/attention whore. Satoshi was quite the opposite, a humble person. Everyone with basic human psychology knowledge must have noticed so far.

Regarding polymaths, other people are polymaths too, but he loves to diss them... why? Because they don't support CSW's narrative.

Gotta love his double standards... he even criticizes politicians for bribery, but he does the exact same thing via PMs (bribing with BSV and trying to influence young, gullible students).

His hypocrisy is beyond the roof and I'm surprised nobody has noticed it so far.

it's common for those that just stick to others opinions because they are too lazy to do some proof of work (sick ) .

Says the guy who believes climate change is caused by red meat & gasoline consumption.

Don't pretend you're a critical thinker, because you're not. You're closely following a little girl's (Greta Thunberg) narrative. Such a shame for a supposed 50-year old guy...

[BlackHatCoiner]

I don't believe with certainty , don't twist my words . Certainty has a specific meaning . I'm not 100% certain

"I don't believe with certainty". Meanwhile:

At this point i'm 95% certain that he is satoshi or was one of the architects behind the pseudonym

In other words get outside of your echo chamber

I think you should get outside your echo chamber. This isn't about the Bitcoin community or "Bitcoin maxis" as you keep calling everyone around here. It's common sense and a vast amount of evidence suggesting he is not who he claims to be. This person has made it blatantly clear that he is a fraudster to whom I wouldn't trust a single word coming out of his mouth. He has repeatedly lied and presented forgeries. I don't know what else counts as evidence of him being a scam. You choose to ignore all the evidence, and stick to insignificant details, like "both him and satoshi were smart!", "both were involved in cryptography!" or "what if he presents receipt for bitcoin.org?!", as if such a document couldn't be counterfeited given enough money.  

"But isn't there a chance?". Negligible. Judging by the facts, I'd rather bet franky1 for being Satoshi if I had to choose between the two.

Do you disagree that we should have courts to solve cases like this or should we look at what twitter majority says to come to a conclusion ?

We have courts which can hopefully notice the fraud in this case. However, a trial isn't the holy grail of truth. Bribery in judiciary is not so uncommon phenomenon. Just because a court says he's Satoshi doesn't mean the public has to unquestionably take this as true.

[Lucius]

~snip~
What you don't understand is that this is his only trial so far that has to do with identity . It's his last chance to prove what he says for years in his way . If he doesn't provide the necessary info i'm on your side . if he provides it you will be on my side or will you try to find excuses to still stand on your opinion ?

You are one of those people who want to believe that something is true, regardless of the fact that from 2016 until today, CW Faketoshi has failed in all discussions and trials where he presented hundreds of pieces of evidence that were proven 100% false by experts before these same courts.

It's funny that you consider this trial to be some kind of final solution to the problem of "is CW Satoshi or not?" if the chance for that is less than 1%, although some will say that it doesn't exist at all. Regardless of the court's decision, CW will continue to claim that he is Satoshi, and people like you who, despite all the evidence that he is not, will continue to give him some incentive to continue to prove it.

[LeezHamilton]

Hello Dr Craig Wright,

after all the cross examination questions, you were very annoyed on Friday, How was your weekend ?  Have you had a good sleep ?   I am sure you are reading this Thread, can you confirm me your current situation ?  I am a Journalist and Bitcoin Historian.  By December 2024, I will publish the complete Bitcoin History, I have Two Chapters covering your stories. I am covering every year a new Chapter in the Book.


I want to interview you.  Can you grant me an appointment.  Don't worry if you cannot prove that you are the real Satoshi.  Any one can claim to be Satoshi Nakamoto.  I am drafting 1001 questions for you which I will pass to you soon for getting ready for a Panoramic Interview.  After the interview you will realise some thing new regarding Bitcoin and Blockchain and its future.  



 

[HmmMAA]

You are one of those people who want to believe that something is true, regardless of the fact that from 2016 until today, CW Faketoshi has failed in all discussions and trials where he presented hundreds of pieces of evidence that were proven 100% false by experts before these same courts.

It's funny that you consider this trial to be some kind of final solution to the problem of "is CW Satoshi or not?" if the chance for that is less than 1%, although some will say that it doesn't exist at all. Regardless of the court's decision, CW will continue to claim that he is Satoshi, and people like you who, despite all the evidence that he is not, will continue to give him some incentive to continue to prove it.

If you read more you will see that this is the only trial so far that has to do with the identity issue . All previous trials were about defamation ( McCormack , Hodlonaut ) or if bitcoin was created by more than one person ( Kleiman ) . Cobra's case was dismissed due to cobra wanting to remain anonymous .
"The identity case is expected to hinge on expert analysis of documents on computer memory sticks which Wright says he found in a drawer at his home last year. Wright will maintain that these will show his work leading up to the registration of www.bitcoin.org in 2008 and the minting of the first bitcoins in January 2009. (The blockchain contains the front-page headline of The Times on 3 January, 2009.)"
https://www.lawgazette.co.uk/news-focus/news-focus-bitcoin-identity-dispute-comes-to-court/5118638.article

So yes , this is the only case so far that has to do specifically with identity . 

I don't want to be true that satoshi is csw , i want to see if this is a reality or not , based on a decision of someone who understands evidence . For example , even if only 1 document proves that csw is satoshi judge will declare him as satoshi , while community will dispute that and stick to the point that the others are forgeries . Why so ? Because we are not judges or lawyers .
This case can be won very easy if he provide that 1 evidence . Will he ? Grab your popcorn like me and wait . In a few months we will know who's right or wrong .

[franky1]

HmmMAA sounds like his evidence that formed his opinion is sourced from coingeek

he has not seen the tulip list CSW filed of "satoshi stash" to then see lots of random people that actually own addresses in the list use their proof of authority to announce that they are not satoshi nor CSW.
just that alone proves CSW is a fraud.. CSW in courts(plural) declared he owned other peoples funds.. that is fraud

CSW has never shown a true original document that speaks of bitcoin from 2008-2013. every document that supposedly was dated pre 2013 that mentions bitcoin is a forgery.
for years people have seen him release or cough "leaked" (by him on purpose) documents, all of which has ended up being a forgery

even his scam sponsors, as 'witnesses' and his lawyers in the hodlonaut oslo case have said silly things that lack proof "i believe he is, because his mother, his uncle and a few more people say so."... funny thing is his mother was told by CSW that he worked for nasa. and that was her belief about her son at the exact same time

HmmMAA can learn all this if he bothered to read all the documentation and details released over the years. instead of reading the opinion pieces of coingeek, HmmMAA should look at the data of the blockchain, the code, the dates when forks happened, to see that CSW's favoured altcoin is not a twin sister of bitcoin, nor the first born.
its a unwanted, rejected grandchild of bitcoin, and it would have been aborted/orphaned if CSW didnt set up shell companies of zero collateral to be the orphanage that keep his baby alive

he has no claims over bitcoin, only BSV. and if he truly believed BSV was "bitcoin" then he can edit his own chain to his desires, but even he knows and realises his BSV is not bitcoin, which is why he is trying to come after the grand-daddy trying to pretend he is due inheritance. but can only make inheritance claims if he can prove he was the grand-daddy's parent.. which he cannot

[HmmMAA]

HmmMAA sounds like his evidence that formed his opinion is sourced from coingeek

Actually , i dislike coingeek , there are some articles that worth reading from specific authors but many things written regarding csw are way over biased . I dislike Kurt Wuckert Jr too , he's the main reason is stopped getting information from coingeek some years back .

~snip

In a couple of months we will have an outcome , i'll just wait till then to come to a conclusion . I don't like throwing heretics on fire without a fair trial . Who knows , maybe a surprise is coming .

"Mηδενα πρo τoυ τελoυς μακαριζε" is a famous ancient greek quote , in english it's something common to the " It ain't over till the fat lady sings " .
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croesus_and_Fate

If i'm wrong , who cares . But imagine what happens if i'm right . So , few months so you can officially declare me as a looney , have patience and get in the line .

[Lucius]

~snip~
"The identity case is expected to hinge on expert analysis of documents on computer memory sticks which Wright says he found in a drawer at his home last year. Wright will maintain that these will show his work leading up to the registration of www.bitcoin.org in 2008 and the minting of the first bitcoins in January 2009. (The blockchain contains the front-page headline of The Times on 3 January, 2009.)"
https://www.lawgazette.co.uk/news-focus/news-focus-bitcoin-identity-dispute-comes-to-court/5118638.article

The man who has been fighting with all his might since 2016 to prove that he is Satoshi, only last year decided to open his drawer and see what was in it? This really proves his "genius" in everything he does - and if this "proof" fails what's next - maybe a picture of him and Hal Finney drinking coffee while talking about how Bitcoin is something wonderful?

~snip~
For example , even if only 1 document proves that csw is satoshi judge will declare him as satoshi , while community will dispute that and stick to the point that the others are forgeries . Why so ? Because we are not judges or lawyers .

1 document that may appear to be legitimate and 499 documents that are proven to be fabricated only prove that he is still a scammer who forges everything he can get his hands on. You can think whatever you want, but that man you think is Satoshi is not even capable of things that children do in elementary school, let alone something as complex as the invention of Bitcoin.

[BlackHatCoiner]

Regardless of the court's decision, CW will continue to claim that he is Satoshi, and people like you who, despite all the evidence that he is not, will continue to give him some incentive to continue to prove it.

I mean, even if the court said he was Satoshi, it'd seem more plausible as a scenario that the juries were bribed, or that Craig found a loophole in the law. It is beyond my understanding how can one throw away all the forgeries and evidence of him being completely untrustworthy, and stick to insignificant details-- which ultimately can apply to every individual.

In a couple of months we will have an outcome , i'll just wait till then to come to a conclusion . I don't like throwing heretics on fire without a fair trial  . Who knows , maybe a surprise is coming .

Seems to me like you really want him to be declared as Satoshi, no matter how you argue the opposite. If you didn't, you'd have focused on the evidence and forgeries that have ridiculed him years now. If your stance was neutral, you'd have looked on both that evidence and his "evidence", and reach the conclusion we've all had. You must be personally interested in him winning the case to support him as his unofficial lawyer.

[hilariousetc]

Day six.

Missed the first 30 minutes of the trial this morning but Craig is getting absolutely rekt right now. First time I've seen him red-faced as they are bringing up his Master of Law degree plagiarism haha. If I'm understanding him correctly he's now blaming the degree plagiarism on an editor he hired and also malfunctioning editing software. Even the judge has expressed disbelief asking Craig "how on earth" is this logical. Mind-blowing. Annoys me that they even keep referring to him as Dr Wright, a qualification he quite clearly has not earned.

You can see the evidence that they're discussing here now: https://medium.com/@paintedfrog/craig-wrights-llm-dissertation-is-full-of-plagiarism-f21439ea8a47

"Satoshi" is now trending on twitter.

[NotATether]

I don't want to be true that satoshi is csw , i want to see if this is a reality or not , based on a decision of someone who understands evidence . For example , even if only 1 document proves that csw is satoshi judge will declare him as satoshi , while community will dispute that and stick to the point that the others are forgeries . Why so ? Because we are not judges or lawyers .
This case can be won very easy if he provide that 1 evidence . Will he ? Grab your popcorn like me and wait . In a few months we will know who's right or wrong .

*One forged document

Of course we know that CSW has no real documents which he can use to prove he is Satoshi, so naturally he will try to submit fake ones. That's why expert witnesses are important, because they are able to call his bluff in a way that affects the court proceedings.

That is, assuming whoever is picked for an expert testimonial does not try to withhold evidence, to basically do what you just wrote.

Missed the first 30 minutes of the trial this morning but Craig is getting absolutely rekt right now. First time I've seen him red-faced as they are bringing up his Master of Law degree plagiarism haha. If I'm understanding him correctly he's now blaming the degree plagiarism on an editor he hired and also malfunctioning editing software. Even the judge has expressed disbelief asking Craig "how on earth"
is this logical. Mind-blowing. Annoys me that they even keep referring to him as Dr Wright, a qualification he quite clearly has not earned.

Well at least he didn't believe that the plagiarism was caused by a "malfunctioning Microsoft Word editor"... JFC.

[HmmMAA]

Annoys me that they even keep referring to him as Dr Wright, a qualification he quite clearly has not earned.

You can check his qualifications for charles state university here https://alumni.csu.edu.au/benefits/verify-qualifications , craig wright 23-10-1970

Edit. If his doctorate was plagiarised after all the noise years ago i would expected that the university would have it withdrawn , i'm not sure if this can happen though , someone with knowledge on this might add something productive .

[franky1]

HmmMAA sounds like his evidence that formed his opinion is sourced from coingeek

Actually , i dislike coingeek , there are some articles that worth reading from specific authors but many things written regarding csw are way over biased . I dislike Kurt Wuckert Jr too , he's the main reason is stopped getting information from coingeek some years back .

if you are reading ANYTHING from coingeek you already failed yourself. if you know enough about coingeek to know publishers names you know too much about them. by you admitting you previously relied on them and still read them. shows you are piling up on ketchup instead of gathering real sources(sauces)

as for your previous posts thinking CSW was smart and a candidate of satoshi due to intelligence. as hilariousetc just linked.. CSW not only used ghost writers to write his degree stuff, the stuff wrote were plagiarised. whole blocks of texts copy and pasted..  thus not showing any sign of individual intelligence/novel thinking.

he is cunning. has skills in forgery, but this does not translate to intelligence..
much like criminals have "street smarts" but get caught and put in prison.. does not translate to being smart enough to not get caught. they just have cunning to scam/steal enough to survive until caught. cunning is not equal to intelligence.
CSW is getting caught in court right now

[cryptosize]

HmmMAA sounds like his evidence that formed his opinion is sourced from coingeek

Actually , i dislike coingeek , there are some articles that worth reading from specific authors but many things written regarding csw are way over biased . I dislike Kurt Wuckert Jr too , he's the main reason is stopped getting information from coingeek some years back .

if you are reading ANYTHING from coingeek you already failed yourself. if you know enough about coingeek to know publishers names you know too much about them. by you admitting you previously relied on them and still read them. shows you are piling up on ketchup instead of gathering real sources(sauces)

as for your previous posts thinking CSW was smart and a candidate of satoshi due to intelligence. as hilariousetc just linked.. CSW not only used ghost writers to write his degree stuff, the stuff wrote were plagiarised. whole blocks of texts copy and pasted..  thus not showing any sign of individual intelligence/novel thinking.

he is cunning. has skills in forgery, but this does not translate to intelligence..
much like criminals have "street smarts" but get caught and put in prison.. does not translate to being smart enough to not get caught. they just have cunning to scam/steal enough to survive until caught. cunning is not equal to intelligence.
CSW is getting caught in court right now

I'll never understand why courts are considered "objective", since they're being ruled by (subjective) human beings with hidden agendas.

The exact same courts didn't declare mandatory lockdowns illegal... just sayin'.

I don't believe a single word that comes from them.

[HmmMAA]

if you are reading ANYTHING from coingeek you already failed yourself. if you know enough about coingeek to know publishers names you know too much about them. by you admitting you previously relied on them and still read them. shows you are piling up on ketchup instead of gathering real sources(sauces)

as for your previous posts thinking CSW was smart and a candidate of satoshi due to intelligence. as hilariousetc just linked.. CSW not only used ghost writers to write his degree stuff, the stuff wrote were plagiarised. whole blocks of texts copy and pasted..  thus not showing any sign of individual intelligence/novel thinking.

he is cunning. has skills in forgery, but this does not translate to intelligence..
much like criminals have "street smarts" but get caught and put in prison.. does not translate to being smart enough to not get caught. they just have cunning to scam/steal enough to survive until caught. cunning is not equal to intelligence.
CSW is getting caught in court right now

I have also read hitler's mein campf and quran , i guess my hands should be chopped off as a punishment .

[franky1]

courts are mediators. where its for the defense and prosecution to show their sides and prove/disprove each other and the judge just chooses the winner of the dispute/debate based on what the dispute is about

yes courts can be abused.
take for instance the CSW vs Ira Kleiman

everyone knows in 2009-13 CSW had no bitcoin and not involved in it
everyone knows in 2010-11 got talking to am american guy called Dave and they set up W&K to (wright:scam - dave:apply for grants)  US gov defense grants. Dave K realised CSW was not going to offer real US defense services and distanced himself and discontinued communication with CSW
W&K had nothing to do with bitcoin, pre 2013

in 2013 CSW bought his first bitcoin but wanted to use W&K brand to now get involved in bitcoin because W&K was a US business he can take advantage over for US exchanging. but found out his ex-partner died. so took over the brand..
then later communicated with IRA to suggest they should both agree that W&K was worth billions and had some (false) patents involved.. as IRa would earn some money out of this agreement
so they both went to court acting like frenemies pretending they both agree that W&K had assets and value, but where the court filed dispute was purely on ownership stake of the brand.. just so CSW can start his proof of satoshi games in court. by getting the court to not make verdict on the W&K assets.. but just ownership % of brand thus in CSW view make him feel the court is proving W&K had assets because the judge didnt argue about proof of assets

yep
if both parties can secretly agree that a empty shell has crabs... even if the shell is actually empty. by both parties saying they agree the shell has crabs. but the dispute is only about who gets to hold the shell.. the judge does not check for crabs. thus people then (falsely) believe the shell has crabs, even if dispute is solely about who gets to hold the SHELL

if you are reading ANYTHING from coingeek you already failed yourself. if you know enough about coingeek to know publishers names you know too much about them. by you admitting you previously relied on them and still read them. shows you are piling up on ketchup instead of gathering real sources(sauces)

as for your previous posts thinking CSW was smart and a candidate of satoshi due to intelligence. as hilariousetc just linked.. CSW not only used ghost writers to write his degree stuff, the stuff wrote were plagiarised. whole blocks of texts copy and pasted..  thus not showing any sign of individual intelligence/novel thinking.

he is cunning. has skills in forgery, but this does not translate to intelligence..
much like criminals have "street smarts" but get caught and put in prison.. does not translate to being smart enough to not get caught. they just have cunning to scam/steal enough to survive until caught. cunning is not equal to intelligence.
CSW is getting caught in court right now

I have also read hitler's mein campf and quran , i guess my hands should be chopped off as a punishment .

again maybe you should catchup and gather actual sources rather than gather ketchup sauces

[LeezHamilton]

courts are mediators. where its for the defense and prosecution to show their sides and prove/disprove each other and the judge just chooses the winner of the dispute/debate based on what the dispute is about

yes courts can be abused.
take for instance the CSW vs Ira Kleiman

everyone knows in 2009-13 CSW had no bitcoin and not involved in it
everyone knows in 2010-11 got talking to am american guy called Dave and they set up W&K to (wright:scam - dave:apply for grants)  US gov defense grants. Dave K realised CSW was not going to offer real US defense services and distanced himself and discontinued communication with CSW
W&K had nothing to do with bitcoin, pre 2013

in 2013 CSW bought his first bitcoin but wanted to use W&K brand to now get involved in bitcoin because W&K was a US business he can take advantage over for US exchanging. but found out his ex-partner died. so took over the brand..
then later communicated with IRA to suggest they should both agree that W&K was worth billions and had some (false) patents involved.. as IRa would earn some money out of this agreement
so they both went to court acting like frenemies pretending they both agree that W&K had assets and value, but where the court filed dispute was purely on ownership stake of the brand.. just so CSW can start his proof of satoshi games in court. by getting the court to not make verdict on the W&K assets.. but just ownership % of brand thus in CSW view make him feel the court is proving W&K had assets because the judge didnt argue about proof of assets

yep
if both parties can secretly agree that a empty shell has crabs... even if the shell is actually empty. by both parties saying they agree the shell has crabs. but the dispute is only about who gets to hold the shell.. the judge does not check for crabs. thus people then (falsely) believe the shell has crabs, even if dispute is solely about who gets to hold the SHELL

Hi, That is a good analogy.  I like your argument. The truth is far from this two parties pretending and debating of the fact if whether Dr CSW is Satoshi or Dr Fraud, This  arguments in the High Court in London is just a setup by Craig and the COPA organiser Jack Dorsey.

There is a hidden agenda of this case to file in London by COPA. They could have file the case in in US but they did not because they went no where in the Florida Case. So have chosen  London because, Satoshi Nakamoto is a British Economic scientist and he is a Londoner.

Tomorrow, there will be a twist. It is a twist of the Tricks of the Trade of the Bitcoin Drama.  


If Andreas Antonopoulos and Anthony Pompliano would have claimed to be Satoshi Nakamoto jointly then that could have been a reasonable claim. COPA is challenging Craig but there is secret deal going on between this two sponsored by a third party.  

No matter,  whatever would be the out come, for as far as I am sure the real Satoshi will not come out and Challenge Craig unless it is necessary.

[franky1]

Hi, That is a good analogy.  I like your argument. The truth is far from this two parties pretending and debating of the fact if whether Dr CSW is Satoshi or Dr Fraud, This  arguments in the High Court in London is just a setup by Craig and the COPA organiser Jack Dorsey.

There is a hidden agenda of this case to file in London by COPA. They could have file the case in in US but they did not because they went no where in the Florida Case. So have chosen  London because, Satoshi Nakamoto is a British Economic scientist and he is a Londoner.

Tomorrow, there will be a twist. It is a twist of the Tricks of the Trade of the Bitcoin Drama.  

this copa case is not like the W&k case
COPA is actually challenging CSW. the other case of Ira was not about challenging but just setting a narrative.

COPA are trying to break CSW narrative

also it was CSW that first filed against COPA people. so due to CSW being in london, thats where the case lays

[Casdinyard]

Craig's defence seemed to consist of just letting the court know about Craig's autism and previous suicide attempt due to the stress of trying and failing to prove he's Satoshi. I guess they know they're probably not going to win this so are going for the sympathy route or at least bracing themselves for inevitable failure and using Craig's autism as an excuse for the lies and forged documents.

That's what CSW and his lawyer could do at this moment because they know that they do not have any proof. I haven't watched anything and don't know where to check how CSW was lookin like. Bu his lawyer seems like helpless when he was using craig's autism and his suicidal attempts as an excuse. LOL.

Who know's what this person want? What would be his benefit if people accept his as satoshi as he do not have the access to anything (like old bitcoin on old addresses). Maybe he would be sucessfully able to scam people by start selling shitcoins?

Jesus fucking Christ this guy could've just given up with trying to prove that he's Satoshi Nakamoto and we would've been okay with it (well not really cause we'd roast and cook the fuck outta him for a while but it's gonna die down unlike what we're doing to him right now) But he keeps on making himself look like a massive clown in front of the jury and in front of the people. Like at this point you would've guessed he's already given up on trying to quell the haters but NOO, he's out for blood as a court ruling's gonna change how we look at his ugly mug.

Annoys me that they even keep referring to him as Dr Wright, a qualification he quite clearly has not earned.

You can check his qualifications for charles state university here https://alumni.csu.edu.au/benefits/verify-qualifications , craig wright 23-10-1970

Edit. If his doctorate was plagiarised after all the noise years ago i would expected that the university would have it withdrawn , i'm not sure if this can happen though , someone with knowledge on this might add something productive .

You guys are both getting off on a tangent right here. The discussion's all about whether the clown is Satoshi or not (which let's be real here, he's not man) and we got Mr. 95% CSW believer right here trynna prove something. Whether he got his doctorate or not doesn't matter. What matters is that he doesn't even own a single satoshi until 2013 as most sources state and as franky iterated which is a telltale sign that he's not Satoshi. Like I'm so surprised that even after all the metaphorical pants-shitting that CSW Faketoshi has done in the past up until now (including the fact that his panel's using his mental impairment as an angle to gain the court's sympathy which is a massive wtf for me) you'd think he's not gonna garner anymore delulu believers but here we got HmmMAA contradicting his very own statements. C'mon folks.

[cryptosize]

Let's move the BSV/BCH discussion in a more appropriate thread:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5484918.0

[LeezHamilton]

You guys do not know anything about the Bitcoin and Blockchain Invention story.  None of you really know the true facts behind the emergence and the advent of the Decentralised Digital Electronic Cash System which its  so-called mysterious inventor has pioneered.  You have no clues of anything at all.  You have found the Bitcoin Forum and Bitcoin Core and Blockchain all of a sudden and many of you have become millionaires and Billionaires and enjoying life  what your great grandfather and father never imagined.  

Do not think that I am a teenage girl and have no technical or economic background. I wish I could have an audience with you all to discuss the matter in relation to Bitcoin and Blockchain and of course regarding our Dr Craig Wright and his so-called W&K Limited and BSV and also his claim of Satoshi Nakamoto Identity.

Craig Wright even is not Dr Craig Wright He is just a great actor, which few secret service agents and fiat financial elites together have recruited him   to act as an actor. Everybody knows that he has no programming background. He can only speak In Front of few people what he learned from DOCCO,

Do you really want Craig to retire from his bold claim of Satoshi Nakamoto without extraordinary and concrete  proof for an extraordinary claim ?  Then wake up men ! if you are man  enough to bring the real Satoshi Nakamoto on the spot.  Come forward !  I will produce the real Satoshi Nakamoto in the Court, who will establish Craig Wright's position in the place where he is supposed to be.

Ask a very simple question to yourself ?  the man who created the Digital Currency industry, is he so stupid and greedy who is allegedly holding 1.1Million Bitcoin and doing nothing, when a man like Craig Steven Wright is trying to re-hijack Bitcoin and Blockchain its intellectual property rights ?

You all are here in the forum bloody scaring cats and mice. You do not have any knowledge of the real Satoshi Nakamoto.  He will return soon and will punish all those who are abusing his Bitcoin and Blockchain and its monetary credibility. Also will be awarded to those who are doing good works.  It was the law, that Thou shall not Fork Bitcoin, you have done it. Now you are staging COPA -v- Craig Wright to break rules and bringing British Judicial Laws to break the Blockchain to grant Craig Wight the right to take over the Bitcoin and Blockchain industry ? No it won't happen.  

Craig should be happy to do business under a limit. He has crossed the limit. It is time to bring the real Satoshi Nakamoto in the Court. Who will be the Third Party in the COPA versus Craig Wright Case.  This will solves all the problems. Hundreds of Thousands of journalists and millions of people wasting billions of Hours to find Satoshi Nakamoto by writing articles.   I am convinced it is time for Satoshi Nakamoto to reveal his identity on 14 February 2024 instead of 14 Feb. 2020 which was blocked by the CoronaVirus Pandemic.  

The real Satoshi Nakamoto has already requested Justice Lord Mellor to grant him permission to attend the Court as a Third Party. Tomorrow 13 February 2024, I will Publish the Official Letter of Satoshi Nakamoto in this Forum.  You will find a link below and find it.  

 

  

[franky1]

i believe LeezHamilton went by a different forum username months-years ago... "bitcoinmoses". same crap different season

[Cryptomultiplier]

As part of my contribution to providing updates on this court case between Dr. Wright and COPA, here are some excerpt from the last hearing and it is more on the case of forged documents brought forward to question the authentication of Dr. Wrights claim.
I however still doubt Dr. Wright is Nakamoto even if he has several documents to show he was among the originators of most of Bitcoin's technical initiative such as the P2p mode of transaction used.

More evidence will be provided soonest during the next court hearing, so am staying glued and making my observation known accordingly.

[Lucius]

As part of my contribution to providing updates on this court case between Dr. Wright and COPA, here are some excerpt from the last hearing...
~snip~

How about learning to post pictures that are the appropriate size for the forum? Otherwise, refrain from such posts, which do not benefit anyone, and only cause problems for everyone who has slow internet and limited data traffic.

In addition, you are promoting CW shitcoin and a website that directly supports this scammer

[DooMAD]

*snip Ayre propaganda*

As part of my contribution to providing updates on this court case between Dr. Wright and COPA, here are some excerpt from the last hearing and it is more on the case of forged documents brought forward to question the authentication of Dr. Wrights claim.
I however still doubt Dr. Wright is Nakamoto even if he has several documents to show he was among the originators of most of Bitcoin's technical initiative such as the P2p mode of transaction used.

More evidence will be provided soonest during the next court hearing, so am staying glued and making my observation known accordingly.

And as part of my contribution of providing a counter to FUD, I'll again point out that the source of these "updates" is a website run by people funding Wright's sad little campaign of lawsuits against this very community and its developers.  Anything from 'CG' is not to be trusted as it is a BSV shitcoin site, not a Bitcoin site.  People citing CG as a reputable source are not to be trusted.

[hilariousetc]

Day 7

Much more of the shaggy defence today (It wasn't me). Craig claims to have never personally posted one of his blogs, but had numerous "editors" doing so for him, so of course any backdated forgeries are not him but one of the various editors, only one he could recall the first name of.

Craig also claimed he was hacked by Ira Kleiman who planted backdated blogs to smear him. COPA's barrister KC Hough rebutted him "But this was before you even contact with Ira". Craig then claimed it was in fact Ira's lawyers. I'm surprised Craig hasn't claimed yet that his dog ate the original whitepaper/USB stick that the genesis block was on. He also claimed the ATO were the ones who leaked some of the forged documents.  

Annoys me that they even keep referring to him as Dr Wright, a qualification he quite clearly has not earned.

You can check his qualifications for charles state university here https://alumni.csu.edu.au/benefits/verify-qualifications , craig wright 23-10-1970

Edit. If his doctorate was plagiarised after all the noise years ago i would expected that the university would have it withdrawn , i'm not sure if this can happen though , someone with knowledge on this might add something productive .

Can you link to his degree page because it says you need his full name and birthdate, but CSU has stated they're investigating the plagiarism:

https://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2020/05/11/craig-wrights-doctoral-thesis-being-investigated-for-plagiarism/

Though his claims to be Satoshi Nakamoto are controversial at best, that’s more due to his lack of proof than his acts of plagiarism. In spite of that, Wright still enjoys his supporters and believers. If a lack of proof doesn’t sway them, repeated and believable allegations of plagiarism certainly won’t.

But Wright’s plagiarisms may finally have a consequence.

The same author that discovered the plagiarism in Wright’s Master of Laws dissertation, PaintedFrog, found similar plagiarism in Wright’s doctoral dissertation and Charles Sturt University. There, Wright was granted a Ph.D. in Computer Science and Economics in 2017. According to his bio, he also was a lecturer and researcher at the university.

However, that degree may now be in jeopardy as Charles Sturt University has revealed that it is investigating the allegations. Though it can’t confirm anything beyond that, the announcement has caused many to hope that the degree is revoked.

Unfortunately for those eager to see Wright suffer consequences for his plagiarism, that optimism likely needs to be tempered. Revoking a degree, though possible, is an extreme last step and it’s one that few schools take regularly.

However, that doesn’t mean that Wright won’t be impacted by the investigation if they do find that plagiarism took place.

But again, any qualifications Craig claims to have are irrelevant to him being Satoshi, especially when they've all come long after his claims. What Craig is is just a conman who rocks up in a nice car, flashy suit and tells you all about his many qualifications in order to gain trust. A man this intelligent couldn't possibly be a scam artist, but that's exactly what he is. Craig knows full well that nobody is going to believe him so he has to fake all his "proof" but when he gets caught out he blames everyone but himself, so now his last resort is hoping he can collect a load of qualifications to make out like he's a genius, and Satoshi was a genius, so craig must obviously be Satoshi.

[HmmMAA]

Can you link to his degree page because it says you need his full name and birthdate, but CSU has stated they're investigating the plagiarism:

https://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2020/05/11/craig-wrights-doctoral-thesis-being-investigated-for-plagiarism/

So , as long they still have it in his degree's page it's valid . Correct ? As there's a chance there was no plagiarism .  If you have any update about the degree revoke case it would be nice to share . If not , i guess case is closed . There's been 3 1/2 years since then , i think unis work faster than agencies .

But again, any qualifications Craig claims to have are irrelevant to him being Satoshi, especially when they've all come long after his claims. What Craig is is just a conman who rocks up in a nice car, flashy suit and tells you all about his many qualifications in order to gain trust. A man this intelligent couldn't possibly be a scam artist, but that's exactly what he is. Craig knows full well that nobody is going to believe him so he has to fake all his "proof" but when he gets caught out he blames everyone but himself, so now his last resort is hoping he can collect a load of qualifications to make out like he's a genius, and Satoshi was a genius, so craig must obviously be Satoshi.

I'm glad that you are not biased at all
It's nice to see people moving goalposts , some years ago he wasn't even a guy with degrees . At least now it's recognised that he has many degrees and qualifications . I guess if somehow proves to be satoshi then maxis will say that's he's so qualified that probably hacked satoshi .

[headingnorth]

Why isn't this scamming crook in prison yet for committing a massive fraud on the court and repeatedly lying under oath?
 

[franky1]

Why isn't this scamming crook in prison yet for committing a massive fraud on the court and repeatedly lying under oath?

cases were civil.. not criminal, so fines are involved not prison
however if a civil case can prove criminal act(forgery/fraud).. it becomes evidence.. THEN.. criminal charges can be filed if authorities get a criminal complaint with evidence..
.. watch this space

[Cryptomultiplier]

*snip Ayre propaganda*

As part of my contribution to providing updates on this court case between Dr. Wright and COPA, here are some excerpt from the last hearing and it is more on the case of forged documents brought forward to question the authentication of Dr. Wrights claim.
I however still doubt Dr. Wright is Nakamoto even if he has several documents to show he was among the originators of most of Bitcoin's technical initiative such as the P2p mode of transaction used.

More evidence will be provided soonest during the next court hearing, so am staying glued and making my observation known accordingly.

And as part of my contribution of providing a counter to FUD, I'll again point out that the source of these "updates" is a website run by people funding Wright's sad little campaign of lawsuits against this very community and its developers.  Anything from 'CG' is not to be trusted as it is a BSV shitcoin site, not a Bitcoin site.  People citing CG as a reputable source are not to be trusted.

I cited CG with its source link at the initial start, so as everyone knows how I stay updated with the court hearing between COPA and Dr. Wright.
I receive news letter as mails from the CG site and only thought it proper to share it, so anyone who needs to follow up would.

Perhaps my image sharing pisses you off, but it's not a yardstick to accuse me of supporting a shitcoin I clearly didn't speak about.

Unless you intend to gain from such obscure propaganda of pointing out a FUD where one doesn't really exist, then please help us understand why CG isn't a reputable source and is not to be trusted mostly as it concerns this COPA vs Wright case, where several opinions have been made and mine including yours may not even be valid in the long run.

[DooMAD]

please help us understand why CG isn't a reputable source and is not to be trusted mostly as it concerns this COPA vs Wright case

I literally just told you.  The same person giving money to Wright to attack the BTC community with frivolous lawsuits is the same person supporting and funding that website.  It's in their interest to twist the narrative to make the sleazy con-artist appear legitimate.  Notice how no legitimate media outlet on the face of the planet is as one-sided in their coverage.  CoinGeek isn't even attempting to hide their enormous bias.

And by sharing these lies, you are helping to legitimise a criminal.

[Cryptomultiplier]

please help us understand why CG isn't a reputable source and is not to be trusted mostly as it concerns this COPA vs Wright case

I literally just told you.  The same person giving money to Wright to attack the BTC community with frivolous lawsuits is the same person supporting and funding that website.  It's in their interest to twist the narrative to make the sleazy con-artist appear legitimate.  Notice how no legitimate media outlet on the face of the planet is as one-sided in their coverage.  CoinGeek isn't even attempting to hide their enormous bias.

And by sharing these lies, you are helping to legitimise a criminal.

I didn't know that until you made it crystal clear, literally.
I would sure do my own research so as to ascertain the fact for myself.

I doubt I have shared any false information without a proper source simply just to discredit BTC. Or so much so helped to legitimize a criminal without being proven so by law.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion and as such I take no offense to your response after reading my comments and calling all the information lies because they don't agree with your opinion or because you simply dislike or disagree with the source of the information.

[ABCbits]

Day six.

Missed the first 30 minutes of the trial this morning but Craig is getting absolutely rekt right now. First time I've seen him red-faced as they are bringing up his Master of Law degree plagiarism haha. If I'm understanding him correctly he's now blaming the degree plagiarism on an editor he hired and also malfunctioning editing software. Even the judge has expressed disbelief asking Craig "how on earth" is this logical. Mind-blowing. Annoys me that they even keep referring to him as Dr Wright, a qualification he quite clearly has not earned.

You can see the evidence that they're discussing here now: https://medium.com/@paintedfrog/craig-wrights-llm-dissertation-is-full-of-plagiarism-f21439ea8a47

"Satoshi" is now trending on twitter.

A bit late, but on that day CoinDesk also report that he going to derail the topic.

https://www.coindesk.com/policy/2024/02/12/craig-wright-told-by-uk-court-to-stop-making-irrelevant-allegations-as-copa-trial-continues/

--snip--

Unless you intend to gain from such obscure propaganda of pointing out a FUD where one doesn't really exist, then please help us understand why CG isn't a reputable source and is not to be trusted mostly as it concerns this COPA vs Wright case, where several opinions have been made and mine including yours may not even be valid in the long run.

If you spend more than 5 minutes on CG website, there are many obvious lies especially referring BTC as Bitcoin Core. In fact, BTC refer to Bitcoin and Bitcoin Core is one of many full node software implementation for Bitcoin. They also claim BSV is decentralized even though BSV has few GB block size limit (which makes running node very expensive) and intorduce feature to steal confiscate coin[1].

[1] https://blog.bitmex.com/bitcoin-sv-hardfork-significant-security-risks/

[shield132]

Craig's defence seemed to consist of just letting the court know about Craig's autism and previous suicide attempt due to the stress of trying and failing to prove he's Satoshi.

Why does his autism or failed attempt at suicide matter in this case? Craig is not kind and the judge is not a parent of the kid who buys candies for a kid to stop crying. He has a mental illness and that's called Self-Deception, he needs the help of doctors and psychologists.

Btw I think that we are already seeing the start of massive Bitcoin adoption, even BlackRock got involved in it recently, so I don't think they'll let him play like this. This mascarade should end soon, no one is going to confirm him as the Satoshi Nakamoto since he can't provide evidences, he will never provide what doesn't exist, no matter how much time will pass.

[DooMAD]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and as such I take no offense to your response after reading my comments and calling all the information lies because they don't agree with your opinion or because you simply dislike or disagree with the source of the information.

Source of the disinformation, you mean.

Disinformation is false information deliberately spread to deceive people.  Disinformation is an orchestrated adversarial activity in which actors employ strategic deceptions and media manipulation tactics to advance political, military, or commercial goals.  Disinformation is implemented through attacks that weaponize multiple rhetorical strategies and forms of knowing—including not only falsehoods but also truths, half-truths, and value judgements—to exploit and amplify culture wars and other identity-driven controversies.

In contrast, misinformation refers to inaccuracies that stem from inadvertent error.

But I'm glad you aren't taking offence, because I'll be pointing out it's disinformation every time you post more of it.

[Cryptomultiplier]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and as such I take no offense to your response after reading my comments and calling all the information lies because they don't agree with your opinion or because you simply dislike or disagree with the source of the information.

Source of the disinformation, you mean.

Disinformation is false information deliberately spread to deceive people.  Disinformation is an orchestrated adversarial activity in which actors employ strategic deceptions and media manipulation tactics to advance political, military, or commercial goals.  Disinformation is implemented through attacks that weaponize multiple rhetorical strategies and forms of knowing—including not only falsehoods but also truths, half-truths, and value judgements—to exploit and amplify culture wars and other identity-driven controversies.

In contrast, misinformation refers to inaccuracies that stem from inadvertent error.

But I'm glad you aren't taking offence, because I'll be pointing out it's disinformation every time you post more of it.

Disinformation indeed!

Am glad you did open my eyes though to the legitimacy of the source of my information.
I only hope you don't take it too personal but see it as a positive review that will lead to a prevention of any possible FUD that might result from the ongoing case between COPA vs Dr. Wright.

[LeezHamilton]

When CSW will be re cross examine again ?

Can any members of the public attend the court and provide any authentic 
evidences to prove whether CSW is wrong or right in his claim ?

[DaveF]

When CSW will be re cross examine again ?

Can any members of the public attend the court and provide any authentic  
evidences to prove whether CSW is wrong or right in his claim ?

As posted earlier here you can request access to watch it:
https://www.judiciary.uk/judgments/crypto-open-patient-alliance-v-dr-craig-steven-wright-and-dr-wright-v-various/

There's probably less than 50 people and the room isn't very big. It's not very exciting or a 'big' trial and doesn't seem to be getting much media attention, though the trial is trending on Twitter right now. You can request a private link to view the stream but it's not available publicly other than there. You can try here: https://www.judiciary.uk/judgments/crypto-open-patient-alliance-v-dr-craig-steven-wright-and-dr-wright-v-various/

But it's simple CSW is not Satoshi, he is just looking to make money off of people.

-Dave

[hilariousetc]

Sorry for missing the updates for the past few days. Here's a quick summary:

Day 8:

Day 8 was the last day of Craig's cross examination. COPA's Jonathan Hugh KC has now finished questioning him and handed over cross-examination to Alexander Gunning KC for the first time who was grilling Craig on the bitcoin code. It was by far my favourite day as Craig fucked himself royally and he knew it. Craig couldn't even explain two simple bits of code within bitcoin nor did he know what the code did. He didn't know what 'static const unsigned int' was. According to Arthur Van Pelt 'unsigned integer' was used over 500 times in the original bitcoin code  . It was at this point I think they should have just called off the trial and told him to get out. Craig really should have spent more time learning to code or at least memorising it instead of wasting his time with phony degrees and worthless patents.

Day 9:

Craig's cross examination has finished now and his "expert witnesses" are now being cross examined. And when I say expert witnesses they include his sister, friends, and people who worked for or with him years ago. I'm not sure why Craig picked these doofs because they're making him look like an even bigger idiot. One of the witnesses was caught looking down at something at certain points after questions. COPA's lawyer asked him if he was reading from something and he admitted he was. He was asked what he was reading from and said notes. He was asked why he had notes and who gave him them. He denied Craig gave him them and made the notes himself, but couldn't explain why he needed them. The time he was caught was when he mentioned Timecoin because he paused and looked down before he continued. This is the first time he'd ever mentioned Timecoin and hadn't mentioned it in either of his previous testimonies for Craig, so it was pretty obvious he'd been told to try shoehorn this mention in somewhere and obviously has list of things Craig has told him to now mention to bolster his claims. Timecoin is something Craig dreamed up fairly recently so it's obviously another example of Craig trying to backdate evidence and re-write history in his favour.

Day 10:

This was a shorter day and included only a couple of testimonies, including from Craig's sister. The best thing she had was that Craig has always been smart and weird, and used to dress up as a ninja as a kid . So... Satoshi is a Japanese name and ninjas are Japanese, so therefore Craig is Satoshi??? The other people were just old work colleagues in various capacities. Pretty much all the witnesses couldn't remember Craig ever mentioning something specific to bitcoin, only that he was always messing about with computers, and might have mentioned something like blockchain, or mining etc, but Hugh kept asking them if this is what actually happened or are they looking back through the prism of hindsight and knowing what they know now rather than at the time. The trial has become a farce now in my opinion.

Day 11: Today

Today we've had Craig's witnesses of David Bridges, who worked alongside Craig at Australia's Qudos Bank who he met Craig in 2006, Max Lynama who is Craig's cousin, and now BSV's Stefan Matthews who is currently being cross examined as I type this. Nothing exciting or important has happened or been said so far really and Matthew's is just denying most things.

I will try get back on track to the daily updates, but if you want to listen to a concise recap of the trial so far I recommend listening to Part 2 of the Dr Bitcoin podcast: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJ3CoTfili4

They have been doing updates every few days and I'm sure part 3 will be coming soon.

[BlackHatCoiner]

Craig couldn't even explain two simple bits of code within bitcoin nor did he know what the code did. He didn't know what 'static const unsigned int' was.

He must have had some serious brain damage, and must have forgotten that he had "written" all the following lines himself back in 2009!  

Code: (main.h)

static const unsigned int MAX_SIZE = 0x02000000;

Code: (market.h)

static const unsigned int nFlowthroughRate = 2;

Code: (net.h)

static const unsigned int PUBLISH_HOPS = 5;

But, I know. How can I prove it's the "original v0.1"?! Let's dive into the BSV repository.

Code: ("bitcoin-tx.cpp")

static const unsigned int minTxOutSz = 9;
static const unsigned int maxVout = MAX_TX_SIZE_CONSENSUS_AFTER_GENESIS / minTxOutSz; // bitcoin-tx tool can build txs with more vouts than pre Genesis nodes  would accept

Code: ("bloom.h")

static const unsigned int MAX_BLOOM_FILTER_SIZE = 36000; // bytes
static const unsigned int MAX_HASH_FUNCS = 50;

Code: ("compressor.h")

static const unsigned int nSpecialScripts = 6;

(And 15 other files that include static const unsigned ints)

Maybe Craig should now fine the person who made all these "changes" in BSV's source code without his knowledge!

[franky1]

I will try get back on track to the daily updates, but if you want to listen to a concise recap of the trial so far I recommend listening to Part 2 of the Dr Bitcoin podcast: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJ3CoTfili4

19min 14sec  - 22m 0 sec (the story of secret meetings to destroy satoshi ID in january 2011*)
not only did craig trip himself on the date as it was after G.williams(person claimed to be in secret call) died months prior(aug 2010), but D.klieman was also in hospital at the time.. but there are other inconsistence too not mentioned but worth highlighting now on this forum for context

going back through my own notes.. of al the snippets from different court cases over the years

there are revelations from other court cases about how Dave Kliemen had accountant friends that done daves tax filings and none of the documents of daves spending or income or anything paperwork created to explain spending had anything to do with setting up anything to do with bitcoin*

friends of daves also note how daves income was not sustainable*. even though (in CSW story) they meant to have had 1m coin at 2011 prices ($millions)
so no proof of bitcoin involvement 2008-2011

moving onto 2011 .. CSW did contact dave pre feb 2011.. but it was about promising dave if they formed a partnership(W&K feb 2011) they could win grants which would fund daves living expenses and medical bills. as dave was poor and didnt have much of an income in 2011*

CSW only worked with D.Kliemen on trying to win US Department of Defense grant applications (him trying to scam USGov) under the pretense of getting funding to then write software for the DoD.. dave had little to no coding skills.. nor did CSW

so CSW had no code/product to offer the US DoD.. just an idea.. hoping the US DoD would believe and trust the pitch and award him a R&D grant so they can employ coders and take a cut for themselves as project managers, oops i mean "IT forensics Specialists"


(*sidenote: those court revelations in previous cases prove they had no partnership pre 2011 and no stash of currency pre-2011)

and when D.Klieman realised, due to US grant denial later on in 2011 as there was not even a software prototype to back up claims, DKlieman then cut off communication with CSW and didnt talk to him again. ever

[insert 2 year gap of nothingness]

CSW then only then tried contacting Dave in 2013 after CSW bought his first BTC in april 2013 and wanted to introduce bitcoin to dave in 2013(after april) to re-kindled a partnership, but got told of daves death of april 2013..

so CSW & dave did not write any software to track any russian transactions for the US DoD. nor have a secret meeting nor have anything to do with bitcoin pre 2013.. events of 2011 was just a 'info defense' scam of wanting US defence contract grants to fund the possibility of writing software for the US DoD(which he had no intention of writing as he just wanted a payday)

CSW's game with US DoD and australian ATO was try to get government grants for R&D to produce stuff.. but then never produce an end product. try to get funding written off as a tax loss due to lack of productivity to then try to get a tax rebate on other spending that never produced results

* separate note.
the real satoshi was actually still communicating with people in the bitcoin community in 2011 so the real satoshi was not scorched earth ready to completely disapear.. unlike CSW version of events
as for the unsigned integer..
heres an explainer which anyone can learn in 20 seconds(apart from CSW which couldnt learn in decades)
signed:
the first bit of a 32bit binary length indicates if the next 31bits are positive or negative, allowing for binary to decimal conversion range of -2147483648 to +2147483647

unsigned:
a 32bit binary length indicates all 32bits are positive allowing for binary to decimal conversion range of 0 to 4294967295

so its funny how CSW couldnt even say something as simple as this
as for the witness, family testimony
the sister previously didnt hear of any bitcoin speak and instead thought CSW worked for nasa due to(scams of) government contract bids/applications(+friendship with dave who had a Nasa ID from previous work)
she only thinks there is a japanese connection because CSW cosplayed as a ninja as a child.. hmm wow.. much proof, not..  

[cryptosize]

Where is HmmMAA to justify this huge clusterfuck?

[DooMAD]

Craig couldn't even explain two simple bits of code within bitcoin nor did he know what the code did. He didn't know what 'static const unsigned int' was. According to Arthur Van Pelt 'unsigned integer' was used over 500 times in the original bitcoin code  . It was at this point I think they should have just called off the trial and told him to get out. Craig really should have spent more time learning to code or at least memorising it instead of wasting his time with phony degrees and worthless patents.

This by itself means anyone who still believes Wright's claims should feel deep humiliation, as it's beyond obvious by this point that they've been taken for fools.  Anyone who claims to be satoshi, but can't explain what satoshi's code does is undeniably a fraud.  And it's permanently on record now for all the world to see.  Wright can't explain the code.  No one can come up with a justifiable excuse as to how the real satoshi wouldn't be capable of answering that question.  Ergo, he isn't satoshi.  That's all the evidence any rational person should need.

The charade is over.

[franky1]

CSW admitted he hires ghost writers
CSW admitted he hires degree writer(editors)
CSW admitted he hires patent writers

so not a stretch of imagination to say he hires coder his imaginary v1 of bitcoin was wrote by his team and he just handed then a lego block and said "build it, but in code"

[HmmMAA]

Sorry for missing the updates for the past few days. Here's a quick summary:

Day 8:

Day 8 was the last day of Craig's cross examination. COPA's Jonathan Hugh KC has now finished questioning him and handed over cross-examination to Alexander Gunning KC for the first time who was grilling Craig on the bitcoin code. It was by far my favourite day as Craig fucked himself royally and he knew it. Craig couldn't even explain two simple bits of code within bitcoin nor did he know what the code did. He didn't know what 'static const unsigned int' was. According to Arthur Van Pelt 'unsigned integer' was used over 500 times in the original bitcoin code  . It was at this point I think they should have just called off the trial and told him to get out. Craig really should have spent more time learning to code or at least memorising it instead of wasting his time with phony degrees and worthless patents.

Day 9:

Craig's cross examination has finished now and his "expert witnesses" are now being cross examined. And when I say expert witnesses they include his sister, friends, and people who worked for or with him years ago. I'm not sure why Craig picked these doofs because they're making him look like an even bigger idiot. One of the witnesses was caught looking down at something at certain points after questions. COPA's lawyer asked him if he was reading from something and he admitted he was. He was asked what he was reading from and said notes. He was asked why he had notes and who gave him them. He denied Craig gave him them and made the notes himself, but couldn't explain why he needed them. The time he was caught was when he mentioned Timecoin because he paused and looked down before he continued. This is the first time he'd ever mentioned Timecoin and hadn't mentioned it in either of his previous testimonies for Craig, so it was pretty obvious he'd been told to try shoehorn this mention in somewhere and obviously has list of things Craig has told him to now mention to bolster his claims. Timecoin is something Craig dreamed up fairly recently so it's obviously another example of Craig trying to backdate evidence and re-write history in his favour.

Day 10:

This was a shorter day and included only a couple of testimonies, including from Craig's sister. The best thing she had was that Craig has always been smart and weird, and used to dress up as a ninja as a kid . So... Satoshi is a Japanese name and ninjas are Japanese, so therefore Craig is Satoshi??? The other people were just old work colleagues in various capacities. Pretty much all the witnesses couldn't remember Craig ever mentioning something specific to bitcoin, only that he was always messing about with computers, and might have mentioned something like blockchain, or mining etc, but Hugh kept asking them if this is what actually happened or are they looking back through the prism of hindsight and knowing what they know now rather than at the time. The trial has become a farce now in my opinion.

Day 11: Today

Today we've had Craig's witnesses of David Bridges, who worked alongside Craig at Australia's Qudos Bank who he met Craig in 2006, Max Lynama who is Craig's cousin, and now BSV's Stefan Matthews who is currently being cross examined as I type this. Nothing exciting or important has happened or been said so far really and Matthew's is just denying most things.

I will try get back on track to the daily updates, but if you want to listen to a concise recap of the trial so far I recommend listening to Part 2 of the Dr Bitcoin podcast: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJ3CoTfili4

They have been doing updates every few days and I'm sure part 3 will be coming soon.

I haven't seen so far copa dispute any of his certificates . It would be the no 1 target if copa had any evidence that he either plagiarised or faked any . Strange that none has disputed so probably he is a person with a very wide knowledge .

That leads me to another speculation . If he is a security expert ( let's not forget that's not disputed by copa ) would it be possible not to have c++ knowledge ? So i googled it .

"Can C++ be used in cyber security?
Speed and efficiency: C++ is a fast and efficient language that can handle large amounts of data and perform complex operations quickly. This makes it ideal for developing high-performance cybersecurity applications."

That means that if csw is a cybersecurity expert he propably has c++ knowledge .

There is of course the "gotcha bitch" moment of copa lawyer . I'm not familiar with coding but i saw opinions from both camps and both had valid arguments . We will see more about this when c++ creator will be on the stand .

The reason i write today is not to argue with anyone , i would just like to share a link of an interesting film back from the 50's https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ddhxl2omFc
For those that don't want to spend time here is another link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12_Angry_Men_(1957_film)
A part from wikipedia that i like :

"Professor of Law Emeritus at UCLA School of Law Michael Asimow referred to the film as a "tribute to a common man holding out against lynch mob mentality".[10] Gavin Smith of Film Comment called the film "a definitive rebuttal to the lynch mob hysteria of the McCarthy era".[11]"

Anyways , grab your popcorn and try to be informed from both camps . Things aren't always as they seem to be if you dig a little further than what van pelt or coingeek says .

 

[LeezHamilton]

I will try get back on track to the daily updates, but if you want to listen to a concise recap of the trial so far I recommend listening to Part 2 of the Dr Bitcoin podcast: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJ3CoTfili4

19min 14sec  - 22m 0 sec (the story of secret meetings to destroy satoshi ID in january 2011*)
not only did craig trip himself on the date as it was after G.williams(person claimed to be in secret call) died months prior(aug 2010), but D.klieman was also in hospital at the time.. but there are other inconsistence too not mentioned but worth highlighting now on this forum for context

going back through my own notes.. of al the snippets from different court cases over the years

there are revelations from other court cases about how Dave Kliemen had accountant friends that done daves tax filings and none of the documents of daves spending or income or anything paperwork created to explain spending had anything to do with setting up anything to do with bitcoin*

friends of daves also note how daves income was not sustainable*. even though (in CSW story) they meant to have had 1m coin at 2011 prices ($millions)
so no proof of bitcoin involvement 2008-2011

moving onto 2011 .. CSW did contact dave pre feb 2011.. but it was about promising dave if they formed a partnership(W&K feb 2011) they could win grants which would fund daves living expenses and medical bills. as dave was poor and didnt have much of an income in 2011*

CSW only worked with D.Kliemen on trying to win US Department of Defense grant applications (him trying to scam USGov) under the pretense of getting funding to then write software for the DoD.. dave had little to no coding skills.. nor did CSW

so CSW had no code/product to offer the US DoD.. just an idea.. hoping the US DoD would believe and trust the pitch and award him a R&D grant so they can employ coders and take a cut for themselves as project managers, oops i mean "IT forensics Specialists"


(*sidenote: those court revelations in previous cases prove they had no partnership pre 2011 and no stash of currency pre-2011)

and when D.Klieman realised, due to US grant denial later on in 2011 as there was not even a software prototype to back up claims, DKlieman then cut off communication with CSW and didnt talk to him again. ever

[insert 2 year gap of nothingness]

CSW then only then tried contacting Dave in 2013 after CSW bought his first BTC in april 2013 and wanted to introduce bitcoin to dave in 2013(after april) to re-kindled a partnership, but got told of daves death of april 2013..

so CSW & dave did not write any software to track any russian transactions for the US DoD. nor have a secret meeting nor have anything to do with bitcoin pre 2013.. events of 2011 was just a 'info defense' scam of wanting US defence contract grants to fund the possibility of writing software for the US DoD(which he had no intention of writing as he just wanted a payday)

CSW's game with US DoD and australian ATO was try to get government grants for R&D to produce stuff.. but then never produce an end product. try to get funding written off as a tax loss due to lack of productivity to then try to get a tax rebate on other spending that never produced results

* separate note.
the real satoshi was actually still communicating with people in the bitcoin community in 2011 so the real satoshi was not scorched earth ready to completely disapear.. unlike CSW version of events
as for the unsigned integer..
heres an explainer which anyone can learn in 20 seconds(apart from CSW which couldnt learn in decades)
signed:
the first bit of a 32bit binary length indicates if the next 31bits are positive or negative, allowing for binary to decimal conversion range of -2147483648 to +2147483647

unsigned:
a 32bit binary length indicates all 32bits are positive allowing for binary to decimal conversion range of 0 to 4294967295

so its funny how CSW couldnt even say something as simple as this
as for the witness, family testimony
the sister previously didnt hear of any bitcoin speak and instead thought CSW worked for nasa due to(scams of) government contract bids/applications(+friendship with dave who had a Nasa ID from previous work)
she only thinks there is a japanese connection because CSW cosplayed as a ninja as a child.. hmm wow.. much proof, not..  

You have explained so many thing here in your post. Why don't you go to the court and reveal first your identity then become the witness of the Third Party, the real inventor of Bitcoin and Blockchain and the author of the Bitcoin White Paper ?  It will be a good idea if you really challenge CSW in the court. If you do not like to reveal your own identity then you are here in the forum just typing like a bot and who knows you could be one of bot of the real Satoshi Nakamoto who is reading the news and thinking what is next ?

May be Craig will claim to be the inventor Air Craft and also Microsoft Window and will sue to Bill Gate. Or perhaps he will claim to be the Jesus Christ or King of the Kangaroo Kingdom of Australia. He even does not  know the country name Australia, where it came from ?  How can he probably know about unsigned integer ?  

Craig has been hired and sponsored by a third party to play the Bitcoin drama. He is an extra ordinary actor, I think it is time for the real Satoshi to appear in the Court to ask the judge to throw out this case from hearing because this case actually is an orchestrated saga drama for a hidden objective. The real Satoshi knows about it and he might forgive Craig Wright if he just simply tell the truth and stop his crusade against the Bitcoin developers.

If this case consciously goes like this it is distracting Bitcoin market development and progression, so I might have to pray to his Divine Holiness, Lord of God of the Mammon - Satoshi Nakamoto to come out of the Maze  and reveal his identity to stop Craig Wright and all other faketoshis impersonating His Japanese Pseudonym. I think this will stop searching for Satoshi Nakamoto and thousands of reporters will be able save their precious times writing so many news articles.

Stop writing news article of Craig Wright's  false claim. He is not the real Satoshi Nakamoto. the real Satoshi Nakamoto is the Lord of the Golden Ring who is relaxing on his Peacock Throne and planning to resurrect the Kingdom of Ethiopia (Utopia) on the entire globe, where Bitcoin will becomes the Commonworld single currency.

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Actually Kingdom of Utopia has been founded on the 3 January 2009 and Bitcoin and Blockchain is the Decentralised Peoples Bank of the Commonworld. One World, One Single Currency and one Economy. Every governments must adopt the Bitcoin Blockchain to set free their governments from the democratic scapegoat of the plutocrats.

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[cryptosize]

CSW admitted he hires ghost writers
CSW admitted he hires degree writer(editors)
CSW admitted he hires patent writers

so not a stretch of imagination to say he hires coder his imaginary v1 of bitcoin was wrote by his team and he just handed then a lego block and said "build it, but in code"

But but but... he's a polymath!!!

Sorry for missing the updates for the past few days. Here's a quick summary:

Day 8:

Day 8 was the last day of Craig's cross examination. COPA's Jonathan Hugh KC has now finished questioning him and handed over cross-examination to Alexander Gunning KC for the first time who was grilling Craig on the bitcoin code. It was by far my favourite day as Craig fucked himself royally and he knew it. Craig couldn't even explain two simple bits of code within bitcoin nor did he know what the code did. He didn't know what 'static const unsigned int' was. According to Arthur Van Pelt 'unsigned integer' was used over 500 times in the original bitcoin code  . It was at this point I think they should have just called off the trial and told him to get out. Craig really should have spent more time learning to code or at least memorising it instead of wasting his time with phony degrees and worthless patents.

Day 9:

Craig's cross examination has finished now and his "expert witnesses" are now being cross examined. And when I say expert witnesses they include his sister, friends, and people who worked for or with him years ago. I'm not sure why Craig picked these doofs because they're making him look like an even bigger idiot. One of the witnesses was caught looking down at something at certain points after questions. COPA's lawyer asked him if he was reading from something and he admitted he was. He was asked what he was reading from and said notes. He was asked why he had notes and who gave him them. He denied Craig gave him them and made the notes himself, but couldn't explain why he needed them. The time he was caught was when he mentioned Timecoin because he paused and looked down before he continued. This is the first time he'd ever mentioned Timecoin and hadn't mentioned it in either of his previous testimonies for Craig, so it was pretty obvious he'd been told to try shoehorn this mention in somewhere and obviously has list of things Craig has told him to now mention to bolster his claims. Timecoin is something Craig dreamed up fairly recently so it's obviously another example of Craig trying to backdate evidence and re-write history in his favour.

Day 10:

This was a shorter day and included only a couple of testimonies, including from Craig's sister. The best thing she had was that Craig has always been smart and weird, and used to dress up as a ninja as a kid . So... Satoshi is a Japanese name and ninjas are Japanese, so therefore Craig is Satoshi??? The other people were just old work colleagues in various capacities. Pretty much all the witnesses couldn't remember Craig ever mentioning something specific to bitcoin, only that he was always messing about with computers, and might have mentioned something like blockchain, or mining etc, but Hugh kept asking them if this is what actually happened or are they looking back through the prism of hindsight and knowing what they know now rather than at the time. The trial has become a farce now in my opinion.

Day 11: Today

Today we've had Craig's witnesses of David Bridges, who worked alongside Craig at Australia's Qudos Bank who he met Craig in 2006, Max Lynama who is Craig's cousin, and now BSV's Stefan Matthews who is currently being cross examined as I type this. Nothing exciting or important has happened or been said so far really and Matthew's is just denying most things.

I will try get back on track to the daily updates, but if you want to listen to a concise recap of the trial so far I recommend listening to Part 2 of the Dr Bitcoin podcast: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJ3CoTfili4

They have been doing updates every few days and I'm sure part 3 will be coming soon.

I haven't seen so far copa dispute any of his certificates . It would be the no 1 target if copa had any evidence that he either plagiarised or faked any . Strange that none has disputed so probably he is a person with a very wide knowledge .

That leads me to another speculation . If he is a security expert ( let's not forget that's not disputed by copa ) would it be possible not to have c++ knowledge ? So i googled it .

"Can C++ be used in cyber security?
Speed and efficiency: C++ is a fast and efficient language that can handle large amounts of data and perform complex operations quickly. This makes it ideal for developing high-performance cybersecurity applications."

That means that if csw is a cybersecurity expert he propably has c++ knowledge .

There is of course the "gotcha bitch" moment of copa lawyer . I'm not familiar with coding but i saw opinions from both camps and both had valid arguments . We will see more about this when c++ creator will be on the stand .

The reason i write today is not to argue with anyone , i would just like to share a link of an interesting film back from the 50's https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ddhxl2omFc
For those that don't want to spend time here is another link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12_Angry_Men_(1957_film)
A part from wikipedia that i like :

"Professor of Law Emeritus at UCLA School of Law Michael Asimow referred to the film as a "tribute to a common man holding out against lynch mob mentality".[10] Gavin Smith of Film Comment called the film "a definitive rebuttal to the lynch mob hysteria of the McCarthy era".[11]"

Anyways , grab your popcorn and try to be informed from both camps . Things aren't always as they seem to be if you dig a little further than what van pelt or coingeek says .

 

https://www.verywellmind.com/the-denial-stage-of-grief-characteristics-and-coping-5272456

Come on man, even Tsipras took some English lessons to become slightly fluent.

CSW couldn't take C++ crash courses? You're in huge denial.

[LeezHamilton]

CSW admitted he hires ghost writers
CSW admitted he hires degree writer(editors)
CSW admitted he hires patent writers

so not a stretch of imagination to say he hires coder his imaginary v1 of bitcoin was wrote by his team and he just handed then a lego block and said "build it, but in code"

He has lied about ghost writer, he might now claim he did not write the White Paper by himself but a ghost writer has done it for him. This not true. Bitcoin White Paper was written by a British Economic Scientist. Who has embedded his identity secretly in the White Paper and also in the Genesis Block. There is no way craig will survive in this court proceeding. It is good for him to seek an exit from the Bitcoin Drama Stage. His recitation is finito. Satoshi Nakamoto is Emprato. Craig Wright is  bugiardo. 

May be few other Bitcoin community leaders also dreaming to claim to be Satoshi Nakamoto now. What a Bitcoin Saga !
It is write to produce a Blockbuster Movie. No problema, I will invest US $1.1 Billion dollars to produce the best Blockbuster Tech Movie.  we need 360 actors and actress to produce the mega movie.

[smallfurryrodent]

CSW admitted he hires patent writers

Hi, sorry for interrupting, patent professional here.  There is a very simple and very good reason for hiring professional patent drafters, and that is that if you don't know what you are doing, you will almost never be able to write a defensible patent.  At least in U.S. patent practice, specific words can have very specific meanings which differ from common connotations;  claims have to be in a specific format;  and the body of the patent must be drafted in particular ways to avoid giving up entire areas of subject matter, or worse, destroying your chances of obtaining or being able to defend a patent.  Also, there are requirements for drawings and how they relate to the claims, such that someone who doesn't know what they are doing can make it impossible to prosecute a patent to allowance.

For example, "plurality" means "two or more" and never one.  One patent-holder's case against a competitor was completely ruined by pointing that out; his patent required two items, but the competitor only used a single item in the not-actually-infringing product.

Another patent-holder could not enforce his patent because the drawings didn't show parts of the claimed matter.  (The USPTO examiner didn't bother to do his job during examination of the application, it should never have been allowed in the first place.)

Yes, legally speaking, you are allowed to draft and prosecute your own patent application.  Doing so is almost always a waste of your efforts because you will be destroyed by your lack of knowledge of the laws and practices.

Anyway, we now return you to your regularly scheduled unfettered glee at the meltdown of Craig Wright and all the other scammers who enabled and supported him.  Hodl on.

[BlackHatCoiner]

That means that if csw is a cybersecurity expert he propably has c++ knowledge .

He doesn't understand what's a static const unsigned int, which is considered basic knowledge for beginners in C++. In fact, you can find the definition of these keywords on probably every programming book there is, beyond C++. Yet, he's a "cybersecurity expert" and has written Bitcoin in above-average C++ code. They add up, don't they?  

Lol! Just lol!

We will see more about this when c++ creator will be on the stand .

Why would Bjarne Stroustrup, the creator of C++, be called in this trial?

[DooMAD]

We will see more about this when c++ creator will be on the stand .

Why would Bjarne Stroustrup, the creator of C++, be called in this trial?

Wright probably told his followers they used to work together and that Wright is actually the co-inventor of C++.  I'm sure he has some totally-not-forged documents to prove it.    

Nothing would surprise me at this point.  Those gullible mooks will still believe anything their cult-leader tells them.  Even while he's being publicly dismantled and ridiculed.  It's as though it hasn't yet dawned on them that they're a laughing stock.

[HmmMAA]

He doesn't understand what's a static const unsigned int, which is considered basic knowledge for beginners in C++. In fact, you can find the definition of these keywords on probably every programming book there is, beyond C++. Yet, he's a "cybersecurity expert" and has written Bitcoin in above-average C++ code. They add up, don't they?  

Lol! Just lol!

Was his definition wrong or different than what someone would expect ?

Why would Bjarne Stroustrup, the creator of C++, be called in this trial?

He is a witness for copa , page 2 https://bitcoindefense.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/Appendix-2-to-Dr-Wrights-Skeleton-Argument-Dr-Wrights-Dramatis-Personae45.pdf

Wright probably told his followers they used to work together and that Wright is actually the co-inventor of C++.  I'm sure he has some totally-not-forged documents to prove it.    

Nothing would surprise me at this point.  Those gullible mooks will still believe anything their cult-leader tells them.  Even while he's being publicly dismantled and ridiculed.  It's as though it hasn't yet dawned on them that they're a laughing stock.

My previous link shows what kind of low level ignorant p***e of s**t you are . Thanks for making it shown publicly .

[franky1]

CSW admitted he hires patent writers

Hi, sorry for interrupting, patent professional here.  There is a very simple and very good reason for hiring professional patent drafters, and that is that if you don't know what you are doing, you will almost never be able to write a defensible patent.

it was more in reference to the ART of a patent. but yes also the patent filing form. but more so about the details of the ART referenced in the patent not been wrote by him
and i said about ghost writers AND editors of 'his'(used loosely) degrees
auto-biography's ghost written.
and many things like BSV code wrote by contracted dev team he hired, (not self coded by him)

emphasis: he hires people to do all his work. he cant code and nor alot of other things he doesnt do but pretends to/claims to.

and thats the excuse i feel CSW will go with, that he will blame his team for ALL the inconsistencies,
even though in court(s) he has been saying he has created, developed, coded, started up, funded, filed, wrote dissertations, blah

i think his final statement will be "i am not solo satoshi, 'we' were team satoshi, but my team wants to destroy me out of things i co-founded with them"

[BlackHatCoiner]

Wright probably told his followers they used to work together and that Wright is actually the co-inventor of C++.

LMFAO. You're kidding, right? Please tell me that you do. Usually, I'd take this as a joke, but considering the fraudster involved, there is nothing too outrageous to be considered merely a joke.

Was his definition wrong or different than what someone would expect ?

Umm... Excuse me, but what definition? The guy argues he is an expert in cybersecurity and the person behind Bitcoin, and yet he fails to tell what's an unsigned integer. I really want to know what makes it so difficult for you to connect the dots.

My previous link shows what kind of low level ignorant p***e of s**t you are

Nobody offended you though. If someone is called to be "low level ignorant", it's you, who's ignoring all the evidence (or completely misinterpreting them).

[HmmMAA]

Umm... Excuse me, but what definition? The guy argues he is an expert in cybersecurity and the person behind Bitcoin, and yet he fails to tell what's an unsigned integer. I really want to know what makes it so difficult for you to connect the dots.

Do you even know what was the question and the answer ? Or were you just spoon fed ?

Nobody offended you though. If someone is called to be "low level ignorant", it's you, who's ignoring all the evidence (or completely misinterpreting them).

What's that ? I sense that love is in the air , did i hurt your forum's wife feelings as franky1 says ? I thought that doomad could defend himself , does that mean he's the passive one in your relationship and you are obligated to protect him ?

You haven't even spend one hour watching what's going on with the trial other than reading what they feed you and you say that i'm ignoring all the evidence ?

Copa's and core lawyers don't even dispute that he was the one that provided firewalls and other solutions for big companies in australia , how a fraud can do that ? Did you know that ? I guess not , because then you might had a slightly different opinion if he is a cybersecurity expert . You can find all the details by yourself or you can just read to what avp writes .
So , you got your answer why doomad is a low level ignorant and also a p***e of s**t because he has nothing positive to add to the conversation other than "brilliant" insults . You guys can discuss this tonight while in bed and give him a lovely hug . Cheers .

[BlackHatCoiner]

You can engage in as much appeal to emotion as you want. The fact remains that Craig can't tell what's an unsigned integer[1][2]. If you neither know what these keywords mean, then it might start making some sense as to why you're seemingly treating it as a "small detail". But, for the people with a slight technical competence, that makes a splash. If he can't explain such a simple line of code, then he can't explain the source code, and definitely hasn't ever written it.  

Copa's and core lawyers don't even dispute that he was the one that provided firewalls and other solutions for big companies in australia , how a fraud can do that ? Did you know that ? I guess not , because then you might had a slightly different opinion if he is a cybersecurity expert

How can a cybersecurity expert not know how to code? Oh, and by the way, a better question. How can the Bitcoin creator not know how to code?

[1] https://youtu.be/jJ3CoTfili4?t=1863
[2] https://youtu.be/jJ3CoTfili4?t=1762

[franky1]

Umm... Excuse me, but what definition? The guy argues he is an expert in cybersecurity and the person behind Bitcoin, and yet he fails to tell what's an unsigned integer. I really want to know what makes it so difficult for you to connect the dots.

Do you even know what was the question and the answer ? Or were you just spoon fed ?

Nobody offended you though. If someone is called to be "low level ignorant", it's you, who's ignoring all the evidence (or completely misinterpreting them).

What's that ? I sense that love is in the air , did i hurt your forum's wife feelings as franky1 says ?

dont use my words. we know you are a CSW supporter but dont now try grabbing onto other peoples words dragging them into your sillyness.... think for yourself for once.. we already have enough idiots copying each other or acting like they are in a cult..

if you(or anyone) cant think for yourself(s), where you instead need to copy other people. you have already failed the debate.
take the time to do some research rather then just thinking of the last thing you read else-where to just copy to use in a defense of  whatever cult allegiance you have

and that goes for both blackhat(doomad) and HmmMAA(CSW) antagonists

[cryptosize]

@DooMAD

That's what HmmMAA does when he doesn't have any arguments left, he resorts to personal insults.

FYI: he's not an IT guy (I'm not allowed to reveal his profession in public), nor a programmer.

He has never ever written not even a simple Hello World program.

So don't expect him to know what a constant/unsigned integer means in programming...

Hell, if I were CSW and wanted to sway judges in my favor, I would have taken some C++ crash courses before the trial.

It honestly boggles my mind why he didn't do it.

Maybe it's because CSW groupies will suck his cock no matter what? Maybe.

[hilariousetc]

Day 12

Today was mostly taken up by Stefan Matthews who has been caught out in several lies already. Matthews claimed to have been given a draft copy of the whitepaper before it was public, but was shown an email sent from Craig with Stephan CC-ed that proves otherwise:

Here's an article published yesterday that lists lots of contradictions by Craig and his witnesses: https://whatthefinance.com/satoshi/sermon-of-contradictions-11th-testament

Adam Back and Martti Malmi are apparently up tomorrow.

I will try get back on track to the daily updates, but if you want to listen to a concise recap of the trial so far I recommend listening to Part 2 of the Dr Bitcoin podcast: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJ3CoTfili4

19min 14sec  - 22m 0 sec (the story of secret meetings to destroy satoshi ID in january 2011*)
not only did craig trip himself on the date as it was after G.williams(person claimed to be in secret call) died months prior(aug 2010), but D.klieman was also in hospital at the time.. but there are other inconsistence too not mentioned but worth highlighting now on this forum for context

going back through my own notes.. of al the snippets from different court cases over the years

This wasn't the only person they brought up in the trial. There was some other guy Craig alleged to have been in contact with but that guy was in a hospice at the time and his daughters confirmed he wasn't using or even able to use a computer at the time.

Craig couldn't even explain two simple bits of code within bitcoin nor did he know what the code did. He didn't know what 'static const unsigned int' was. According to Arthur Van Pelt 'unsigned integer' was used over 500 times in the original bitcoin code  . It was at this point I think they should have just called off the trial and told him to get out. Craig really should have spent more time learning to code or at least memorising it instead of wasting his time with phony degrees and worthless patents.

This by itself means anyone who still believes Wright's claims should feel deep humiliation, as it's beyond obvious by this point that they've been taken for fools.  Anyone who claims to be satoshi, but can't explain what satoshi's code does is undeniably a fraud.  And it's permanently on record now for all the world to see.  Wright can't explain the code.  No one can come up with a justifiable excuse as to how the real satoshi wouldn't be capable of answering that question.  Ergo, he isn't satoshi.  That's all the evidence any rational person should need.

The charade is over.

I mean, we didn't need that to know Craig is a fraud, but yeah, the trial should have just been closed early after that. I just wish they could pull out a laptop, link it up the the screen in the court and tell Craig to code bitcoin from scratch. That would be interesting.

I haven't seen so far copa dispute any of his certificates . It would be the no 1 target if copa had any evidence that he either plagiarised or faked any . Strange that none has disputed so probably he is a person with a very wide knowledge .

What certificates? His fake degrees? They have already been through the plagiarism of one of his degrees. Craig blamed it on his editors and some other bullshit.

That leads me to another speculation . If he is a security expert ( let's not forget that's not disputed by copa ) would it be possible not to have c++ knowledge ? So i googled it .

Who said he's a security expert? That's a title Craig has given himself, but given he gets hacked regularly when it's convenient for him as an excuse I'd say I'm more of a security expert than Craig.

CSW admitted he hires patent writers

Hi, sorry for interrupting, patent professional here.  There is a very simple and very good reason for hiring professional patent drafters, and that is that if you don't know what you are doing, you will almost never be able to write a defensible patent.  At least in U.S. patent practice, specific words can have very specific meanings which differ from common connotations;  claims have to be in a specific format;  and the body of the patent must be drafted in particular ways to avoid giving up entire areas of subject matter, or worse, destroying your chances of obtaining or being able to defend a patent.  Also, there are requirements for drawings and how they relate to the claims, such that someone who doesn't know what they are doing can make it impossible to prosecute a patent to allowance.

For example, "plurality" means "two or more" and never one.  One patent-holder's case against a competitor was completely ruined by pointing that out; his patent required two items, but the competitor only used a single item in the not-actually-infringing product.

Another patent-holder could not enforce his patent because the drawings didn't show parts of the claimed matter.  (The USPTO examiner didn't bother to do his job during examination of the application, it should never have been allowed in the first place.)

Yes, legally speaking, you are allowed to draft and prosecute your own patent application.  Doing so is almost always a waste of your efforts because you will be destroyed by your lack of knowledge of the laws and practices.

Anyway, we now return you to your regularly scheduled unfettered glee at the meltdown of Craig Wright and all the other scammers who enabled and supported him.  Hodl on.

Another thing I forgot to mention was COPA brought up Craig's patents. What Craig has actually done in most instances is merely add his name to existing patents. I.E. they were filled by others originally without Craig, but then amended later to include him. He has also been registering the patents in several jurisdictions to bolster the number he has, I.E. if he registers the same patent in the US, UK and wherever else then that is three patents for Craig as opposed to one. Regardless, and as I've always said, his worthless patents are irrelevant to this trial just like his qualifications.

He doesn't understand what's a static const unsigned int, which is considered basic knowledge for beginners in C++. In fact, you can find the definition of these keywords on probably every programming book there is, beyond C++. Yet, he's a "cybersecurity expert" and has written Bitcoin in above-average C++ code. They add up, don't they?  

Lol! Just lol!

Was his definition wrong or different than what someone would expect ?

He didn't even know what it was let alone what it does and that wasn't the only code he couldn't explain. He's a buffoon and it was over at that point for him, if it wasn't already given every bit of evidence has been found to be fraudulent and manipulated in some way. His witnesses are just making him look like a bigger bozo.

[DooMAD]

Wright probably told his followers they used to work together and that Wright is actually the co-inventor of C++.

LMFAO. You're kidding, right? Please tell me that you do. Usually, I'd take this as a joke, but considering the fraudster involved, there is nothing too outrageous to be considered merely a joke.

Definitely a joke, heh.  Although maybe I shouldn't make jokes that might inspire him to commit his next scam.  It's certainly the kind of thing he'd attempt if he thought he could get away with it.

@DooMAD

That's what HmmMAA does when he doesn't have any arguments left, he resorts to personal insults.

And he can keep 'em coming if he likes.  I'm quite relieved to hear it.  If someone that disreputable calls me a piece of shit, I just take it as confirmation that I'm on the correct side of of the moral divide here.  

If HmmMAA and I were getting along and finding common ground, then I'd be deeply concerned.    

Anyone who claims to be satoshi, but can't explain what satoshi's code does is undeniably a fraud.  And it's permanently on record now for all the world to see.  Wright can't explain the code.  No one can come up with a justifiable excuse as to how the real satoshi wouldn't be capable of answering that question.  Ergo, he isn't satoshi.  That's all the evidence any rational person should need.

I mean, we didn't need that to know Craig is a fraud, but yeah, the trial should have just been closed early after that. I just wish they could pull out a laptop, link it up the the screen in the court and tell Craig to code bitcoin from scratch. That would be interesting.

We definitely didn't need it.  But it should now be far more difficult for Wright to maintain his little fanclub of 'SV'ers.  At some point the remaining fools will grow tired of people laughing at them and calling their intelligence and/or integrity into question.  To continue supporting SV now would mean someone would have to be either braindead or malicious.  

[hilariousetc]

We definitely didn't need it.  But it should now be far more difficult for Wright to maintain his little fanclub of 'SV'ers.  At some point the remaining fools will grow tired of people laughing at them and calling their intelligence and/or integrity into question.  To continue supporting SV now would mean someone would have to be either braindead or malicious.  

His fanboys are delusional and will dream up some way to excuse it. If they had any brains they would have dumped him long ago. Many BSV-ers think Craig is playing some sort of 4D chess on a level even geniuses don't understand so they'll play this off as some sort of elaborate ruse by Craig. It's going to be interesting to see if Calvin Ayre dumps him after this. If Craig's funding gets cut I don't think he's gonna want to piss away his own funds on continuous and costly lawsuits. I also hope that the judge recommends prosecution for contempt against Craig and maybe even some of his lying witnesses. Keeping him in court fighting for his freedom would be the best outcome as he will have to concentrate on that rather than suing others. I really hope the ATO finally puts out a warrant for him as well. Having these sorts of legal pressures on him should weigh him down substantially and hopefully put him where he belongs.

[franky1]

CSW game is simple

pretend to be famous. get a fan club, promise the fan club huge riches if they become loyal.. test loyalty by getting them to invest in him. delay all pay outs.. never pay out

if idiots/cultish people like HmmMAA(and others, .. and other of other cultish people of other cults) think that being loyal will make them rich..
and are years later still waiting for the kiss on the cheek and cheque in the hand.. realise it aint coming. it wont come

your idol is not a god.

CSW made promises of a large stash.. that he has no keys of.
CSW then made promises of selling licences of patents.. that never sold
        CSW made promises of court case compensation of defending reputation/patents that amounted to a candy lollipop
                CSW made promises of rights to life story, thats not even worth a fox 15minutes segment news story

win or lose CSW doesnt care because to him its just more content for his drama he wants to sell.. as either a hero or villain story(spoiler:villain)

[Stalker22]

Copa's and core lawyers don't even dispute that he was the one that provided firewalls and other solutions for big companies in australia , how a fraud can do that ? Did you know that ?

The kind of security expert whose personal computer systems get hacked all the time. Every time someone exposes his lies with concrete evidence: "Someone else gained access to my PC!" Did you know that?

[LeezHamilton]

Fascinating Insider information from Christen Ager Hanssen regarding COPA -v- Craig Wright Case in UK High Court.

https://twitter.com/agerhanssen/status/1753779120540930101

https://mylegacykit.medium.com/ager-hanssen-i-have-been-in-many-wars-but-nothing-has-been-like-this-095147e1791e

  

[hilariousetc]

Day 13.

Very short day today as Craig's council has decided not to bother cross examining several witnesses due to them obviously not going to help in Craig's favour. One person that was meant to be examined today was Rory Cellan-Jones who used to work for the BBC and was involved when Craig tried and failed to out himself to the BBC. He instead published a blog today about his experience with Craig: https://rorycellanjones.substack.com/p/the-battle-of-bitcoin

Craig still owes him 0.01701 BTC in bitcoin which was worth around £5 at the time but is now worth around £700. He should sue him to get it back  .

The Dr Bitcoin podcast also published an interview with Rory today: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=secLQHfCaTI

Here's a list of people who will now not be appearing:

emphasis: he hires people to do all his work. he cant code and nor alot of other things he doesnt do but pretends to/claims to.

Another thing to note here is I don't think he does actually hire people. Passing the buck on to someone else is just part of his lie-arsenal now. How else can he explain away some plagiarism or dodgy backdating editing that is on his personal blog or papers or whatever else. He has to dream up a scenario where he is not responsible otherwise he's guilty and he's been caught in the act, and in court that's contempt which can land him in prison. As long as he passes the buck and sows enough doubt the courts may not bother prosecuting. Even if they did I'm sure Craig would just flee the country again to avoid trial/prosecution.

[franky1]

emphasis: he hires people to do all his work. he cant code and nor alot of other things he doesnt do but pretends to/claims to.

Another thing to note here is I don't think he does actually hire people. Passing the buck on to someone else is just part of his lie-arsenal now. How else can he explain away some plagiarism or dodgy backdating editing that is on his personal blog or papers or whatever else. He has to dream up a scenario where he is not responsible otherwise he's guilty and he's been caught in the act, and in court that's contempt which can land him in prison. As long as he passes the buck and sows enough doubt the courts may not bother prosecuting. Even if they did I'm sure Craig would just flee the country again to avoid trial/prosecution.

its more about this:
https://craigwright.net/about/academic-degrees/
he says he has dozens of degree's.. but to be able to write so many papers at some points, in such quick succession to hand in within day/weeks of each other.. indicate someone else was paid to write them

usually degrees take years to do one

(i have not contacted the universities to even check validity of the list..)

if those do validate, (but obviously contain alot of plagiarisms) it just wreaks of the smell of someone that just goes on fiverr and pays minimum amounts for a quick paper, for someone to write(copy and paste from un-cited sources) something about [insert topic] and then gets a editor in his team to look at it to make sure its ontopic to just submit as if wrote by CSW
..its the only common sense, logical, timelime that make sense

[OgNasty]

Seemed like a rough day for bitcointalk in this trial. They seemed to go after Blockstream pretty hard and made it public knowledge that satoshi’s account here was removed from him as well as his commit access. Sure, there’s reasons these things happened, but it sounded bad the way it was presented.

[nutildah]

Seemed like a rough day for bitcointalk in this trial.

Well, that seems to be the problem -- conflating "Bitcointalk" with the "Bitcoin Forum." Camp Craig is using this difference in terminology to gaslight people into thinking satoshi's posts here aren't his own (its quite easy to prove none of them were altered or deleted using the Wayback Machine).

Meanwhile, its worth pointing out that the forum has always been named the Bitcoin Forum. Its easy enough to verify for yourself by comparing the words in the forum name field (where it says 'Bitcoin Forum' in the top left of any forum page) as shown in 2009 to what they are today:

https://web.archive.org/web/20091215005450/http://bitcointalk.org/

Our own CryptoDevil tweeted a transcript of what Martti Malmi (Sirius) had to say in his video deposition, kind of interesting stuff:

https://twitter.com/CryptoDevil/status/1760263016291995926

[Kakmakr]

The perfect ending for this trail will be if the real Satoshi Nakamoto could sign a message, saying.. "Craig wright is an imposter, I am the real Satoshi Nakamoto" ...but we know that will not happen. 🙄

This must obviously be done with the early bitcoins that was mined by him and not from some "fake" early coins that were ramdomly chosen. 

[cryptosize]

Seemed like a rough day for bitcointalk in this trial.

Well, that seems to be the problem -- conflating "Bitcointalk" with the "Bitcoin Forum." Camp Craig is using this difference in terminology to gaslight people into thinking satoshi's posts here aren't his own (its quite easy to prove none of them were altered or deleted using the Wayback Machine).

Meanwhile, its worth pointing out that the forum has always been named the Bitcoin Forum. Its easy enough to verify for yourself by comparing the words in the forum name field (where it says 'Bitcoin Forum' in the top left of any forum page) as shown in 2009 to what they are today:

https://web.archive.org/web/20091215005450/http://bitcointalk.org/

Our own CryptoDevil tweeted a transcript of what Martti Malmi (Sirius) had to say in his video deposition, kind of interesting stuff:

https://twitter.com/CryptoDevil/status/1760263016291995926

And yet, BSV groupies will keep sucking CSW's cock, no matter what...

[LeezHamilton]

The perfect ending for this trail will be if the real Satoshi Nakamoto could sign a message, saying.. "Craig wright is an imposter, I am the real Satoshi Nakamoto" ...but we know that will not happen. 🙄

This must obviously be done with the early bitcoins that was mined by him and not from some "fake" early coins that were ramdomly chosen. 

You absolutely right, Satoshi I mean the real Satoshi, i he decide to come and challenge craig, then what is the point  ?  This case has nothing to do with the real man the i9nventor of Bitcoin Blockchain and the author of Bitcoin While Paper.  He is a busy man.  Of course he knows  that Craig has infringed his Bitcoin White Paper but he is talking a bit time to challenge him on the ground of his intellectual property of Bitcoin White Paper. Not only that, Craig has stolen the BSV from Satoshi Nakamoto.   BSV mean Bitcoin Security Version. Satoshi Nakamoto is the designer of the Bitcoin Logo and first he published it in Twitter.  so, he wont allow Craig to use its the property of the real Satoshi Nakamoto.

The Bitcoin account handle of your ''Kakmakr'' is also belong to Satoshi Nakamoto. He has given it to you for you you to use it. Now you know what I am speaking about ?   Just relax and make money out his Bitcoin invention and leave Satoshi Nakamoto alone.

If the real Satoshi sign a message will you be happy ? 

Then you will post, no it is not true, may be some one has stollen his Private Key,  blaa blaaa blaaaaaa. 
Every body want to know who is Satoshi but no one is asking How is Satoshi ?

you all are bunch greedy Gremlins. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NpixdbriHA

[FatFork]

Following his testimony at the COPA trial, Sirius released the bulk of his 2009-2011 email correspondence with Satoshi:
https://mmalmi.github.io/satoshi/


https://x.com/marttimalmi/status/1760886692469162491?s=20

[ABCbits]

Following his testimony at the COPA trial, Sirius released the bulk of his 2009-2011 email correspondence with Satoshi:
https://mmalmi.github.io/satoshi/


https://x.com/marttimalmi/status/1760886692469162491?s=20

Thanks for sharing. I only skimmed it since it's very long, but it looks like they mostly talked about technical and promotional (e.g. creating website along with it's content) stuff. And since the trial shows CSW lack of technical knowledge, while these email shows Satoshi have fair amount of technical knowledge.

[hilariousetc]

Day 14

Another short day yesterday as Craig's council dismisses witnesses en masse, but those left still made Craig look very incompetent.

Howard Hinnant, who created the c++ library Craig claimed to have used, was one of the witnesses. Craig Wright claims he modified some code to which Hinnant - someone who obviously knows what he's talking about - commented: "That would be absurd, like starting with a P-51 Mustang plane & ending up with Ford Mustang car. Technically so outrageous that it's literally unbelievable." 

Justice Mellor surprised many in the court by pointing out an error one of the witnesses made, which shows he's following along closely. I'm not sure how easy it would be for someone not involved in bitcoin to follow everything going on and I suspect Craig's plan is to try blindside people with irrelevant technobabble. I think these witnesses yesterday showed what an absolute charlatan Craig is. He's just a confident talker but can't back it up when it comes down to it, especially regarding anything technical.

Craig is now back on the stand today and this should be Craig's most taxing day given they're now going over all the evidence presented throughout the week that Craig will need to refute.

The perfect ending for this trail will be if the real Satoshi Nakamoto could sign a message, saying.. "Craig wright is an imposter, I am the real Satoshi Nakamoto" ...but we know that will not happen. 🙄

This must obviously be done with the early bitcoins that was mined by him and not from some "fake" early coins that were ramdomly chosen. 

I don't think that would be good for bitcoin overall. People would panic thinking Satoshi is going to cause disruption and possibly worry he will dump his coins. I think if Satoshi was going to come back he would have done so already, and assuming he isn't dead, Craig's bullshit wouldn't be a worthy excuse for him to return. 99.9% of people already know Craig is a fraud and we don't need proof from Satoshi for that.

Following his testimony at the COPA trial, Sirius released the bulk of his 2009-2011 email correspondence with Satoshi:
https://mmalmi.github.io/satoshi/


https://x.com/marttimalmi/status/1760886692469162491?s=20

Adam Back also shared his: https://twitter.com/pete_rizzo_/status/1760718737286537526

[franky1]

The perfect ending for this trail will be if the real Satoshi Nakamoto could sign a message, saying.. "Craig wright is an imposter, I am the real Satoshi Nakamoto" ...but we know that will not happen. 🙄

This must obviously be done with the early bitcoins that was mined by him and not from some "fake" early coins that were ramdomly chosen.  

I don't think that would be good for bitcoin overall. People would panic thinking Satoshi is going to cause disruption and possibly worry he will dump his coins.

temporary price drama is just blackfriday discount month.. not really a bitcoin killer event
take a look at this last month jan 11th+
grayscale sold 174k of its 620k coins  now check the market price jan 10th vs feb 23rd
($46k $39.5k  $51k)
yes it went down but then it came back up within a month

[DooMAD]

Following his testimony at the COPA trial, Sirius released the bulk of his 2009-2011 email correspondence with Satoshi:
https://mmalmi.github.io/satoshi/


https://x.com/marttimalmi/status/1760886692469162491?s=20

Really hoping they challenge Faketoshi on this part:

> Is the code free/open source or just open source?

It's free open source.  It's the MIT license, which just requires some
disclaimer text be kept with the source code, other than that you can do
just about anything you want with it.  The source is included in the
main download.

Satoshi

Clearly not intended to be patented in any way, shape or form.

[hilariousetc]

Day 15:

Missed about an hour or so of the trial today but the bits I did catch were Craig getting fucked. COPA were calling him a liar continually and suggesting he was in contempt several times. Craig was doing more of his usual Shaggy Defence and blaming anyone else he could. He admitted that several of the documents were forgeries, but again, not by him and other malicious actors. COPA asked then why he was using them in his evidence. More excuses obviously. Gets caught out. Passes the blame.

Craig was shown a video of him literally trying to forge the whitepaper in latex changing it bit by bit to try match the true and original whitepaper. Craig claimed he was just doing a "demonstration" to some unnamed party. You can view the compiled animation from his log edits here: https://twitter.com/BitMEXResearch/status/1761038309554332034

It was also noted today from the disclosed emails Satoshi was obviously very familiar with "unsigned int" which Craig was obviously not: https://twitter.com/dotkrueger/status/1761040309197353395

I'm not sure if Craig is back for more questioning next week or it's the developers for COPA. If Craig isn't prosecuted for contempt after this then there's no justice.

The perfect ending for this trail will be if the real Satoshi Nakamoto could sign a message, saying.. "Craig wright is an imposter, I am the real Satoshi Nakamoto" ...but we know that will not happen. 🙄

This must obviously be done with the early bitcoins that was mined by him and not from some "fake" early coins that were ramdomly chosen.  

I don't think that would be good for bitcoin overall. People would panic thinking Satoshi is going to cause disruption and possibly worry he will dump his coins.

temporary price drama is just blackfriday discount month.. not really a bitcoin killer event
take a look at this last month jan 11th+
grayscale sold 174k of its 620k coins  now check the market price jan 10th vs feb 23rd
($46k $39.5k  $51k)
yes it went down but then it came back up within a month

Well sure, but I think it's a little bit different as Satoshi owns over 1 million btc valued at around $50 billion give or take. Satoshi coming back would cause quite a stir as people would no doubt wonder if his "vision" may steer bitcoin in a different direction.

Following his testimony at the COPA trial, Sirius released the bulk of his 2009-2011 email correspondence with Satoshi:
https://mmalmi.github.io/satoshi/


https://x.com/marttimalmi/status/1760886692469162491?s=20

Really hoping they challenge Faketoshi on this part:

> Is the code free/open source or just open source?

It's free open source.  It's the MIT license, which just requires some
disclaimer text be kept with the source code, other than that you can do
just about anything you want with it.  The source is included in the
main download.

Satoshi

Clearly not intended to be patented in any way, shape or form.

The whole trial is a nonsensical farce. Satoshi obviously released it to the world for free and under such a license and if he wanted to prove he was back he would do it in the way Satoshi designed bitcoin to be. Obviously when you're not Satoshi you have to try prove it the way Craig is trying and failing to do.

[franky1]

Day 15:

Missed about an hour or so of the trial today but the bits I did catch were Craig getting fucked.

for years, i have avoided the F-bomb slang, but as you are a moderator, and are fine with it. so must i
a few people i have wanted to tell directly to f**k off (where **='uc/or') but now feel comfy telling them what i exactly mean, cheers

Day 15:

COPA were calling him a liar continually and suggesting he was in contempt several times.
....
. If Craig isn't prosecuted for contempt after this then there's no justice.

when the case wins in favour of COPA (no if).. id hope contempt is least of CSW troubles. id hope the copa win would then be used as evidence of forgery, fraud and multiple other crimes and someone files criminal claims against him. rather then these silly civil claims of annoyances

Craig was doing more of his usual Shaggy Defence and blaming anyone else he could. He admitted that several of the documents were forgeries, but again, not by him and other malicious actors. COPA asked then why he was using them in his evidence. More excuses obviously. Gets caught out. Passes the blame.

told ya he would.
the thing about courts is, if you (or your lawyer) are filing a claim they have to check what they file, and sign it in.. much like checking your bag before going to airport, because if the court/airport find things when they search what you hand in, you are on the hook. you cant then later cry 'but someone i dont trust done it for me', sorry but you are still on the hook for what has been handed over in your name

Craig was shown a video of him literally trying to forge the whitepaper in latex changing it bit by bit to try match the true and original whitepaper. Craig claimed he was just doing a "demonstration" to some unnamed party. You can view the compiled animation from his log edits here: https://twitter.com/BitMEXResearch/status/1761038309554332034

this here is where my theory of him not caring about win or lose* as it adds depth to his life story which will be hero/villain(obvious villain) story..
(*where he treats even a court loss as a win for his villain life story agenda)

..for years he has hired people to record his life and is doing these admissions of fraud, recorded... because in his eyes even if he fails satoshi test he hopes he can win billions via movie deals selling a thriller/sci fi/documentary of villain stature

afterall why would you record yourself performing forgery unless you want to package it up as part of a portfolio of 'art' to be part of some media deal later on.

i know he is not smart enough to realise these civil cases can turn criminal. but thinks whilst only civil he is free to do as he pleases without personal repurcussions because its not his money that covers his legal games.. but i do hope someone uses these civil cases as evidence to get some criminal charges filed

..
the funny thing is. all of these attempts by him to try to [fake/pretend/fail] 'proof of an identity' are so weak/lame.. that he could not even(if he tried) try to convince the world that he wrote TV shows like 'six feet under' and 'lost', which was wrote by another guy actually called steven wright..

so him still, years later playing the part of faketoshi is not about proving satoshi status. but just some other fame deal he actually wants, and promised his investors of riches from.. which is.. movie/book deal royalties, convention/tour/interview/speaking deals, oh and lollipops(couple of £) court wins.

my 'faketoshi vision' of CSW is that i hope to see that at the end of this case. CSW stands up from the court walks out the door hoping to see camera's but instead sees the UK CPS (crown prosecution service) and a couple cops put him under arrest, and due to being a known flight risk(ATO drama) dont let him out of jail until a criminal judge is sitting infront of him
(yea i can occasionally have a utopian day dream too, but lets hope it happens)

[LeezHamilton]

I was reading every bit of news over the last two weeks.

I was tempted to break the news about the facts without fiction, then I restrained  myself thinking I must not interfere in the Bitcoin Drama. So I have nothing to say, but I do feel I must say something about franky1 who is a night owl in the Bitcoin forum watching every thing and making his efforts to create further Bitcoin drama, which he is suggesting someone to file a criminal case against  Professor Faustus. Oh no ! - against Australian Computer Scientist, Cryptographer, Forensic Expert, Quantum Computational Architect, Reverend Pastor  (Dr)3 Craig Steven Wright the businessman.   Well, it seems the whole Bitcoin community leaders have flocked together with COPA to debunk his claim stating his claim is absolutely fraudulent. Lord Grabiner sated in his first statement that why the real Satoshi has not come forward ?  And the COPA is not bringing the real Satoshi, Craig is a good Candidate for Satoshi Nakamoto.  

If someone now files a criminal case against CSW then why not Mr franky1 clearly states on what types of criminal charges will put him behind bar ?   Now, the whole case is depending on one single judge, Lord Justice Mellor.  This case is not under a juries' proceedings but it is a litigation to stop him from claiming to be the inventor of Bitcoin and the author of Bitcoin White Paper, which he definitely is not. But, how does someone out of the Bitcoin Community file a case against him ?  Who will support him ?  The Bitcoin Community has flocked together against one single man who has been licensed  to play this Bitcoin drama from a few billionaires who has bet with millions of dollars because they think they could exploit the Blockchain Patent and use it to milk all the Bitcoin and Blockchain related companies and make billions.  

Now the truth must be revealed, Craig is a fraud, then who else's are fraud ?  That facts also need to be unfolded.  To prove Craig is an impersonator of Satoshi Nakamoto I think, only Satoshi Nakamoto can say it and prove it better than COPA. Until the real Satoshi is identified, Craig will continuously clam to be the Satoshi. So why is nobody helping the real Satoshi to reveal his identity ?  

If this case is designed by Craig and COPA members for mutual interests, how can you determine the truth ?  In fact that could be the fact behind the whole setup. Many will think I am trying to create a conspiracy, then what if the real Satoshi has granted permission to Craig Wright to play this extreme form of Bitcoin drama for some other purpose ?  What if the Fiat banking elites had hired Craig to play and claim the Bitcoin and Blockchain White Paper authorship for taking over Bitcoin,  which is a disrupting catalytic phenomenon against Central Banks issued fiat currencies  ?

I understand that Craig has gone over the limit but he is a victim of autism by birth, he might claim to be the inventor of Windows Linux for Microsoft.  I have met Craig's Mum in three ovations.  I know his mum also got autism, which she got from her own mother, so genetically Craig is not fully a normal person. As he lied, in all his clams and forged all the documents and created all those  fantasized degrees and  Ph.D.  Now, there is a hidden matter about Craig, which the Bitcoin Community does not know about but the real Satoshi Nakamoto knows. Now you might think, wow ! I , Leez Hamilton, how do I know him and his mum ?  Also you might think I work for Craig Wright.  No that is not the case.  I know every individual in the Bitcoin community, Those who were the Bitcoin developers and early adopters. I exactly know the outcome of this case.  The case has been orchestrated for some other mutual interest, I am fully aware of it.

164000 pages of Craig will not prove that he is the author of Bitcoin White Paper, Neither COPA can stop craig to file case against Bitcoin developers and Bitcoin exchanges those who are doing money laundering using Bitcoin. The charisma of Craig is his primary strength. He is a genius in his own right to become famous in the news media, I agree with franky1 that he might sell his story as a villain in the Bitcoin drama to some producers and bank on Bitcoin drama.  

Literally any one can claim to be the Bitcoin inventor Satoshi Nakamoto but an extraordinary claim requires extraordinary evidence. Who wants to be the New Satoshi ?   Craig Wright and Stefan Mathews have fired Christen Ager-Hanssen the founder of Coingeek.  Who knows he could be the next candidate to be the new Satoshi.  Remember he is a commercial detective.

Who else can be a good candidate for New Satoshi ? you can propose to one and back him or her up and let the bitcoin drama move into its next chapter.


                     Grand Father of Satoshi Nakamoto https://ibb.co/287B6Zz


 

[nutildah]

The charisma of Craig is his primary strength.

LOL. Well in that case he is completely fucked.

I can't think of a more disgusting, detestable, deplorable human in the crypto scene, and the bar is very, very low.

Neither BitBoy, Richard Heart, nor Do Kwon hold a candle to what level of douchebag Craig is.

If he is charismatic, it is in the way cult leaders are charismatic: they appeal primarily to the lost, the dumb, and the soul-lessly greedy. Everyone else with a competent or moral mind can see them for who they truly are.

[franky1]

If someone now files a criminal case against CSW then why not Mr franky1

why me..? well how about why not me,  ill tell you why not
a. i never touched BSV nor invested, nor conned, nor scammed, nor indoctrinated into his cult, nor been litigated against CSW, never cashed out the crap coins so i never been involved in anything to classify me as victim
b. criminal charges work best if there is a victim to his criminality.. and that would be the COPA members as his frauds had caused direct costs and damages(stress and emotional assault, aswell as legal costs) which makes them best candidates to request criminal charges
c. copa already have a funded legal team who are already researched on the crimes so can easily pass on the evidence

separate topic
Leezhamilton you seem too well researched in the buzzwords and names of the people involved for you to be a total dunce.
i dont believe you met anyone involved. but you are just sucking-up, fake associating yourself into the drama, trying to make yourself feel relevant and also trying to show some subtle loyalty to CSW, maybe hoping for a pay-day?

i assume you have other history in bitcoin via a different forum account or in some of CSW's shell companies.. and just made an alt to protect yourself from any legal pokes by just using a throw away account to evade any trouble via what you say. (EG fear of not wanting your real account/id associated with conversations about CSW)

yet you have shown favouritisms to align yourself on the CSW defence side..
(though you try to hide your favouritisms occassionaly when you do mentin forgeries, you are more than still obvious in many ways favouring CSW)
the whole sympathy of autism and trying to portray him as a victim of circumstance
the whole silliness of "the only way to debunk CSW is for real satoshi to come forward".( is utter nonsense,)
you are endlessly trying to suggest satoshi can, should, would and needs to come forward is nonsense. (unneeded nonsense)
your endles narrative that if satoshi doesnt come forth then CSW should take over the name.. (stupid nonsense)
your "charisma" "genius" words.. are complete suck-up nonsense..

i feel you are trying to get recruited by him and want him to continue being a scammer so you can get some scam payments for ass-kissing

and to suggest criminally charging CSW adds more drama.. no it actually puts a final stop to it.
EG there was alot of drama about FTX owner last year before criminal charges.. but as soon as criminal court happened, no one cares about him anymore. its done and dusted. once the sentance length is announced he is finito, out of the picture. gone. no longer a problem. game over
people kept a side interest in FTX leading up to last years court stuff.. but now he is not even a whisper

[LeezHamilton]

If someone now files a criminal case against CSW then why not Mr franky1

why me..? well how about why not me,  ill tell you why not
a. i never touched BSV nor invested, nor conned, nor scammed, nor indoctrinated into his cult, nor been litigated against CSW, never cashed out the crap coins so i never been involved in anything to classify me as victim
b. criminal charges work best if there is a victim to his criminality.. and that would be the COPA members as his frauds had caused direct costs and damages(stress and emotional assault, aswell as legal costs) which makes them best candidates to request criminal charges
c. copa already have a funded legal team who are already researched on the crimes so can easily pass on the evidence

separate topic
Leezhamilton you seem too well researched in the buzzwords and names of the people involved for you to be a total dunce.
i dont believe you met anyone involved. but you are just sucking-up, fake associating yourself into the drama, trying to make yourself feel relevant and also trying to show some subtle loyalty to CSW, maybe hoping for a pay-day?

i assume you have other history in bitcoin via a different forum account or in some of CSW's shell companies.. and just made an alt to protect yourself from any legal pokes by just using a throw away account to evade any trouble via what you say. (EG fear of not wanting your real account/id associated with conversations about CSW)

yet you have shown favouritisms to align yourself on the CSW defence side..
(though you try to hide your favouritisms occassionaly when you do mentin forgeries, you are more than still obvious in many ways favouring CSW)
the whole sympathy of autism and trying to portray him as a victim of circumstance
the whole silliness of "the only way to debunk CSW is for real satoshi to come forward".( is utter nonsense,)
you are endlessly trying to suggest satoshi can, should, would and needs to come forward is nonsense. (unneeded nonsense)
your endles narrative that if satoshi doesnt come forth then CSW should take over the name.. (stupid nonsense)
your "charisma" "genius" words.. are complete suck-up nonsense..

i feel you are trying to get recruited by him and want him to continue being a scammer so you can get some scam payments for ass-kissing

and to suggest criminally charging CSW adds more drama.. no it actually puts a final stop to it.
EG there was alot of drama about FTX owner last year before criminal charges.. but as soon as criminal court happened, no one cares about him anymore. its done and dusted. once the sentance length is announced he is finito, out of the picture. gone. no longer a problem. game over
people kept a side interest in FTX leading up to last years court stuff.. but now he is not even a whisper

 Wow franky1 you are fuming like a Cobra,  but you are an interesting person an earlier bitcoin adopter or may be a developer, May I ask you, if you were there in 2009 and before, when one of the forum was in Source Forge ?      You are utterly wrong in your assumption about myself.   Do you know when Satoshi first created this Forum with SMF Server ?

This Forum was created by the inventor of Bitcoin even before he choose his Japanese pseudonym Satoshi Nakamoto.   He created two Bitcoin Talk Forums. Also he created a third one in his own persona Computer.   Why do you worried about if the real Satoshi reveal his identity dash out Craig Wright for ever ?   What is your problem ?  If the real Satoshi decide to reveal himself, who can stop him, and why you are so much upset ?   Do you think after Craig's Saga you can claim to be Satoshi ?   welcome !  welcome ! franky1 you too can claim to be Satoshi.  Are you one of them those who say ''we are all Satoshi.''  Please jump in the media, and proclaim yourself that you want to contest with Crag Wright.  That will be good fun.  I know Craig Wright more than any body knows him in the Bitcoin space. Knowing him does not mean I am working for him or want to be recruited by him. You speaking senesce, just be sure that we all are in the forum discussing and debating and sharing information. so we must respect each other and must not use wrong words.

When for the first time I read your thread I wondered, still today I am wondering about your persona. You suggest every one tro learn Bitcoin and do some business. I appreciate your courage and times to teach Bitcoin Newbies. If you know Bitcoin very well then can you tell me who formulated the ECDSA for public key generation  and why it was necessary ?

And what are the deference between ECDSA and DSA ?  Tell me please, It is Satoshi Nakamoto, Harrold Finney, James A Donald or Ray Dillinger, Gavin Bell, Peter Thatcher, Rishi Sunak, Danail Gergiev, Mark Karpeles or Robert Richards experimented the Secp256k1 to be the perfect curve for Bitcoin Public Key Generation ?   You know about Bitcoin from 2012. so, what are you talking about buzzz word ?  

franky1,  Please stop shouting at me. I might cry quietly, if you scream at me.  You supposed to be analytical and reasonably polite in the forum.  There is no logic to make allegation about any thing to any one if you are not sure about.
If you challenged me I might get bitfury  the Bitcoin Exchange and decide to twist the COPA -v- Craig Wright case. That will be a big problem for you Mr fraky1.  As you want to silence Dr Craig Wright forever.


  
 

[FatFork]

afterall why would you record yourself performing forgery unless you want to package it up as part of a portfolio of 'art' to be part of some media deal later on.

I don't think that he really recorded himself performing those changes, rather it is a visual representation of all LaTeX logs. I didn't know they were that detailed, but apparently they are.

[hilariousetc]

when the case wins in favour of COPA (no if).. id hope contempt is least of CSW troubles. id hope the copa win would then be used as evidence of forgery, fraud and multiple other crimes and someone files criminal claims against him. rather then these silly civil claims of annoyances

Well, if the judge finds him in contempt then do they not recommend another trial for that which could pose prison time? You can't lie under oath and perjure yourself and that's all Craig has been doing. My only worry is if they feel it's not in the public interest to do so or maybe give Craig enough benefit of the doubt that there could have been malicious actors planting evidence. Maybe he would have to prove that in the perjury trial.

told ya he would.
the thing about courts is, if you (or your lawyer) are filing a claim they have to check what they file, and sign it in.. much like checking your bag before going to airport, because if the court/airport find things when they search what you hand in, you are on the hook. you cant then later cry 'but someone i dont trust done it for me', sorry but you are still on the hook for what has been handed over in your name

Well yeah, but I guess he doesn't really have much choice but to lie. The fact that he claims unscrupulous enemies hacked into his computers to plant this forged and manipulated evidence in the possibility that Craig might not notice and then use it in evidence in court is beyond ridiculous. I'm really hoping the judge doesn't even consider that as an option and takes it for the bare-faced lie that it obviously is but I don't know how the courts proceed with this.

Craig was shown a video of him literally trying to forge the whitepaper in latex changing it bit by bit to try match the true and original whitepaper. Craig claimed he was just doing a "demonstration" to some unnamed party. You can view the compiled animation from his log edits here: https://twitter.com/BitMEXResearch/status/1761038309554332034

afterall why would you record yourself performing forgery unless you want to package it up as part of a portfolio of 'art' to be part of some media deal later on.

Oh, no. Maybe I didn't explain it perfectly well. It wasn't an actual video of him that he personally recorded, but if I understand correctly, these edits were found in the metadata of the editing program he used that recorded his each and every change and Craig was obviously unaware of (it might have been latex). COPA then pieced the metadata edits together to make a video so they could show it to the court of what Craig was actually doing. Craig then claimed the edits were for a presentation as if he was showing someone how to do it or something (more BS).

i know he is not smart enough to realise these civil cases can turn criminal. but thinks whilst only civil he is free to do as he pleases without personal repurcussions because its not his money that covers his legal games.. but i do hope someone uses these civil cases as evidence to get some criminal charges filed

Oh he knows. He's mentioned in both this court and others about how you can't lie in court otherwise it's perjury and that has consequences such as jailtime and seems to use that to back up his claims that he wouldn't possibly dare lie in court. He even doubled down yesterday and said that even worse is lying to god haha.

The charisma of Craig is his primary strength.

LOL. Well in that case he is completely fucked.

I can't think of a more disgusting, detestable, deplorable human in the crypto scene, and the bar is very, very low.

Neither BitBoy, Richard Heart, nor Do Kwon hold a candle to what level of douchebag Craig is.

If he is charismatic, it is in the way cult leaders are charismatic: they appeal primarily to the lost, the dumb, and the soul-lessly greedy. Everyone else with a competent or moral mind can see them for who they truly are.

I don't think he is charismatic, he just has sociopathic confidence and rarely gets rattled which is quite an impressive feat. Can you imagine sitting in court with your entire existence based upon lie after life and you have to think of more lies on the fly to cover up those lies and knowing all this behaviour could end up with you in prison. He does seem like a bit of cult leader though, just without the charisma, but if you have the confidence and can talk someone into something then that's just as good if they believe in you and BSV-ers do. I think there's a lot of idiots who actually think he is Satoshi, the others just have a financial interest in him being proclaimed as such so they can enrich themselves with their BSV holdings, but that's something both parties have in common at the end of the day.

[ABCbits]

I visited BitMex website to re-check old technical article and found out they also cover the trial while sharing few interesting detail.
https://blog.bitmex.com/copa-vs-csw-day-2-thoughts/
https://blog.bitmex.com/copa-vs-csw-day-11-stefan-matthews/

The “Johnny” comment

The first moment relates to documents which supposedly show Craig Wright purchasing the Bitcoin.org domain in the 2009 period with his credit card. The COPA barrister started the session by putting forward various statements from Craig Wright in 2019, where Craig claimed he could prove to a court he was Satoshi, by showing financial statements from the 2009 period when he purchased the web domain. COPA then showed an email Craig Wright sent to Jimmy Win in 2019, showing exactly that, credit card proof, showing the purchase of the Bitcoin.org domain name.

COPA’s independent expert witness, Mr Madden, reviewed this email and determined that the credit card evidence was faked for various reasons. Rather than refute this, Craig now accepts that these documents were indeed fakes, only not by him, but by some Reddit user. Craig claimed that he emailed them to Jimmy Win, to highlight the fake documents to Jimmy, even though the email made no mention of this.

Most people would also send receipt or purchase proof given by domain seller.


On their twitter, they also mention CSW provide ridiculous amount of "proof". Someone probably should check whether those are gibberish or AI generated text.

COPA vs CSW Trial

We are hearing that before the trial even started, the full trial bundle was 164,000 pages

What a huge waste of resources this nonsense is

[nutildah]

I don't think he is charismatic, he just has sociopathic confidence and rarely gets rattled which is quite an impressive feat. Can you imagine sitting in court with your entire existence based upon lie after life and you have to think of more lies on the fly to cover up those lies and knowing all this behaviour could end up with you in prison.

No, I can't imagine it. Clearly he's no dummy, but he's going up against some of the smartest people in the world, and they have managed to poke sizable holes in his story since he first started telling it. By this point the fabric of the pseudo-reality he's woven is so tattered, its barely hanging together; who knows what it will take for it to finally fall all the way apart.

But you hit the nail on the head with the sociopath part. That is just one "ability" that most people can never achieve, because our brains are fully developed. It really is a neurodevelopmental disorder characterized by stunted growth of the prefrontal cortex, which is the most human part of the brain. Its the part that prevents us from simply bashing each other over the head with a rock when things don't go our way. Craig is unencumbered by this dilemma, which allows him to experience an utter detachment from morality, and therefore the rest of humanity.

[franky1]

when the case wins in favour of COPA (no if).. id hope contempt is least of CSW troubles. id hope the copa win would then be used as evidence of forgery, fraud and multiple other crimes and someone files criminal claims against him. rather then these silly civil claims of annoyances

Well, if the judge finds him in contempt then do they not recommend another trial for that which could pose prison time? You can't lie under oath and perjure yourself and that's all Craig has been doing. My only worry is if they feel it's not in the public interest to do so or maybe give Craig enough benefit of the doubt that there could have been malicious actors planting evidence. Maybe he would have to prove that in the perjury trial.

contempt alone is a minor crime which usually is just a small fine like £100-£5k or a few days in jail...
however forgery, which affects millions of people of millions of $value can be a life sentance (note FTX)

told ya he would.
the thing about courts is, if you (or your lawyer) are filing a claim they have to check what they file, and sign it in.. much like checking your bag before going to airport, because if the court/airport find things when they search what you hand in, you are on the hook. you cant then later cry 'but someone i dont trust done it for me', sorry but you are still on the hook for what has been handed over in your name

Well yeah, but I guess he doesn't really have much choice but to lie. The fact that he claims unscrupulous enemies hacked into his computers to plant this forged and manipulated evidence in the possibility that Craig might not notice and then use it in evidence in court is beyond ridiculous. I'm really hoping the judge doesn't even consider that as an option and takes it for the bare-faced lie that it obviously is but I don't know how the courts proceed with this.

even claiming someone broke into your house unzipped your suitcase and planted faked/stolen art in it after you packed your bags, doesnt play well when standing at a airport check-in desk.
investigations should start about a forgery, fraud case even if you claim you are not the forger. its your responsibility of your handling of the checked in items. so its not a case that things should just be passed off as whimsy, accident. it should be pursued

Craig was shown a video of him literally trying to forge the whitepaper in latex changing it bit by bit to try match the true and original whitepaper. Craig claimed he was just doing a "demonstration" to some unnamed party. You can view the compiled animation from his log edits here: https://twitter.com/BitMEXResearch/status/1761038309554332034

afterall why would you record yourself performing forgery unless you want to package it up as part of a portfolio of 'art' to be part of some media deal later on.

Oh, no. Maybe I didn't explain it perfectly well. It wasn't an actual video of him that he personally recorded, but if I understand correctly, these edits were found in the metadata of the editing program he used that recorded his each and every change and Craig was obviously unaware of (it might have been latex). COPA then pieced the metadata edits together to make a video so they could show it to the court of what Craig was actually doing. Craig then claimed the edits were for a presentation as if he was showing someone how to do it or something (more BS).

yes it was the "Craig then claimed the edits were for a presentation" where i thought the latex video was the presentation.. given the fact that CSW has before kept hold of different materials that show things he does that go against his 'i am satoshi' diatribe, and being more useful for background material of a future villain story

i know he is not smart enough to realise these civil cases can turn criminal. but thinks whilst only civil he is free to do as he pleases without personal repurcussions because its not his money that covers his legal games.. but i do hope someone uses these civil cases as evidence to get some criminal charges filed

Oh he knows. He's mentioned in both this court and others about how you can't lie in court otherwise it's perjury and that has consequences such as jailtime and seems to use that to back up his claims that he wouldn't possibly dare lie in court. He even doubled down yesterday and said that even worse is lying to god haha.

hmm now playing as a christian.. i think that will work against him if the judge is religious and see's him abusing religion to lie

also people with autism or aspergers can and do lie. the fun fact is depending on the scale. they can either not lie successfully because the lie sounds too dumb to be true or they are void of such emotion(poker face) they can get away with lying
i feel he just googled "can autistic's lie" and read "autistic's cannot lie successfully" and forgot/ignored the "successfully" end of the sentence
also, he is not vulcan

The charisma of Craig is his primary strength.

LOL. Well in that case he is completely fucked.

I can't think of a more disgusting, detestable, deplorable human in the crypto scene, and the bar is very, very low.

Neither BitBoy, Richard Heart, nor Do Kwon hold a candle to what level of douchebag Craig is.

If he is charismatic, it is in the way cult leaders are charismatic: they appeal primarily to the lost, the dumb, and the soul-lessly greedy. Everyone else with a competent or moral mind can see them for who they truly are.

I don't think he is charismatic, he just has sociopathic confidence and rarely gets rattled which is quite an impressive feat. Can you imagine sitting in court with your entire existence based upon lie after life and you have to think of more lies on the fly to cover up those lies and knowing all this behaviour could end up with you in prison.

"sociopathic confidence" yep thats the word
as for the "rarely gets rattled"
he gets rattled alot actually.. even in the BBC interview about the signing session noted many rattles
and in the court this last couple weeks

however as my theory goes because he has a back-up agenda should he lose (media deals of villain story) he has less concern over a loss, where he thinks he can spin it into a money making scheme. thus less pressure in parts

i just dont think he understands the legal ramifications that could hit him once found guilty civilly as a fraud/forger. as it can and should then go to criminal court.. i think he was told by a solicitor/lawyer that civil court doesnt lead to prison.. but didnt tell him evidence found in civil can then lead to separate criminal case.. so he is day dreaming that he can do civil SLAPP cases forever, unpunished, via his investors footing the bill of lost cases.. not realising those SLAPPS can be brought against him later criminally.. and i hope he learns that lesson after march, but even more hopeful, not long after march.. like the same day of judgement

No, I can't imagine it. Clearly he's no dummy,

clearly he is a dummy
there is a major difference between a actor playing a role, using confidence to play the part.. even dumb actors can sound like specialist doctors on a medical tv show, if they read the right script and take producers direction

note the "signing session".. he was taking direction from his investors of what they want as proof of claims and wont payout unless he done what they wanted. EG notable bitcoiners as witness and media .. which shows he is taking direction rather than leading the direction, and he does it all for a payday and willing to keep the ruse alive as long as the money keeps rolling

there is a major difference earned knowledge and skill.. vs practiced street smarts of learning how to survive as a criminal
he lacks real knowledge about many things, (coding, law) but knows just enough street smarts to employ people to aid his antics

[LeezHamilton]

Few question arises now,

1.  Do you think that Justice Mellor will run another session of cross examination to Dr Craig Steven Wright  ?


2. What will take place next week in the Court in this COPA -v Craig Wright Case ?  
3. Is just Justice Mellor will re-read all the papers and make his judgement ?
4. After the final judgement, do you think there will appeal in the High Court or in the Supreme Court from either side who will be the loser ?
 

I think it will be a good reason for the Bitcoin Saga Drama, if the loser file an Appeal in the Higher Court.

5. What do you think  it will happen ?  Suppose Craig lost the case, and he will file an Appeal, will the High Court accept his Appeal ?

6. How about we forum members together find a solution to the problem between Crag and COPA Members ?  

7. If our collaboration bring peace and sooth running of the Blockchain industry without Craig's corporate intervention , Do you not think that will be a better solution for both side ?

 How about let Craig and Calvin and Mathew to go for a luxury holiday with 200 glamorous  Concubinos   for  the next ten years to the forbidden Island in the Indian Ocean ?  If they leave the Bitcoin Community for ten years that could be a good thing for the Bitcoin Community and for them as well,  because

8. what they will do and achieve by accumulating billions of dollars like those fiat financial elites ?  

9. Do they have heirs to pass on to their accumulated wealth as inheritance ?

10.  Do you think they can take Bitcoin in a micro chip to heaven or hell when their times ends in this mortal planet Earth to buy Champaign and Prawn Cocktail there in the here after ?

You all are greedy MF506 agents to accumulate wealth but have forgotten the Bitcoin Manifesto.  

So, I think it is time for a proper judgment by virtue of each person's performance accordingly. Justice Mellor will not be the real judge to justify this case of COPA -v- Craig Wright alone, the judgement or the outcome of this case has already been decided by the shadow board or group even before the case restart for hearing on the 5 February 2024.  This was just a showcase for media attention.  

[franky1]

4. After the final judgement, do you think there will appeal in the High Court or in the Supreme Court from either side who will be the loser ?
 

I think it will be a good reason for the Bitcoin Saga Drama, if the loser file an Appeal in the Higher Court.

5. What do you think  it will happen ?  Suppose Craig lost the case, and he will file an Appeal, will the High Court accept his Appeal ?

if the "ayres/matthews" story is to be found to be true... CSW wont have any benefactors/investors paying  him more money to pursue more cases as they have had enough of funding him if he cant prove anything legitimately

[HmmMAA]

Who said he's a security expert? That's a title Craig has given himself, but given he gets hacked regularly when it's convenient for him as an excuse I'd say I'm more of a security expert than Craig.

I don't think that australian stock exchange would hire someone incompetent for monitoring their systems .

[LeezHamilton]

 If Craig Wright confess and regret and and repent then Satoshi might forgive him. Why he is trying to be a pseudonym of of some one who invented the Bitcoin and Blockchain ?  He just want to bank on some one else's intellectual property.  Satoshi Nakamoto is watching every thing. He might file a case against Craig Wright soon for infringement of the Bitcoin White Paper Copyright and his stollen property BSV. 

Satoshi Nakamoto created BSV on Google Platform in May 2007. Some one hijacked it from Satoshi Nakamoto and Craig Wright bought it from him in 2018. Craig Wright did not invented or Forked BSV. BSV is not stand for Bitcoin Satoshi's Vision but Bitcoin Security Version. BSV is a stollen Property. Those who buying BSV thinking it is the original Bitcoin will be in troubles.

[FatFork]

Who said he's a security expert? That's a title Craig has given himself, but given he gets hacked regularly when it's convenient for him as an excuse I'd say I'm more of a security expert than Craig.

I don't think that australian stock exchange would hire someone incompetent for monitoring their systems .

That is utter nonsense. Companies hire incompetent and lazy people all the time. Have you ever heard of terms like nepotism or bribery? Craig is exactly the type of person who would lie, cheat or try to buy his way in. Obvious example: plagiarizing his PhD thesis or lying in court about his expertise, while physical evidence says otherwise.

[franky1]

Who said he's a security expert? That's a title Craig has given himself, but given he gets hacked regularly when it's convenient for him as an excuse I'd say I'm more of a security expert than Craig.

I don't think that australian stock exchange would hire someone incompetent for monitoring their systems .

he worked at ASX? according to? wiki, media? that can only source CSW's own word for it

ever tried to do research to find proper information..
EG
after resigning from his families business(demorgan(sisters last name) (founders CSW and his first wife))* which the exit came with a non-compete
he then approached ASX trying to offer products/services("independant consultant") where he treated ASX as a (potential/solicited) customer of his shell company.. not where CSW was an active employee of ASX... oh and CSW got 28 days prison time for approaching ASX offering ASX products and services...**
even funnier.. CSW appeals the guilty judgement of the breach of non-compete by trying to say his involvement/solicitation/approach to ASX was ambiguous(no deals made) thus in CSW view was thus not competing***


the wording of the court cases back then, were not that he provable worked for, was contracted to, or subcontracted to ASX, but instead ambiguous at best was just approaching companies like ASX asking for business. and that alone was enough to be a breach of his exit contract(non-compete) from demorgan

have a nice day

*he duped an investor into buying a large share% of demorgan, promising fake profits.. then he stepped down signing a non-compete.. but leaving the investor holding an empty bag of crap as the sole owner of 'demorgan'(which had no products or services).. but had a promise to provide service to its potential customers  but never did provide services under 'demorgan'..
**then setting up 'ridge' he approached ASX employees trying to win new contracts(but didnt succeed)
***by saying that demorgan wont offer services promised and they should go with him.. ASX however forwarded that contact communication to the demorgan share % owner and it went to court

yep he was even scamming back in early 2000's

[HmmMAA]

he worked at ASX? according to? wiki, media? that can only source CSW's own word for it

ever tried to do research to find proper information..
EG
after resigning from his families business(demorgan(sisters last name) (founders CSW and his first wife))* which the exit came with a non-compete
he then approached ASX trying to offer products/services("independant consultant") where he treated ASX as a (potential/solicited) customer of his shell company.. not where CSW was an active employee of ASX... oh and CSW got 28 days prison time for approaching ASX offering ASX products and services...**
even funnier.. CSW appeals the guilty judgement of the breach of non-compete by trying to say his involvement/solicitation/approach to ASX was ambiguous(no deals made) thus in CSW view was thus not competing***


the wording of the court cases back then, were not that he provable worked for, was contracted to, or subcontracted to ASX, but instead ambiguous at best was just approaching companies like ASX asking for business. and that alone was enough to be a breach of his exit contract(non-compete) from demorgan

have a nice day

*he duped an investor into buying a large share% of demorgan, promising fake profits.. then he stepped down signing a non-compete.. but leaving the investor holding an empty bag of crap as the sole owner of 'demorgan'(which had not products or services).. but had a promise to provide service to ASX but never did provide services under 'demorgan'..
**then setting up 'ridge' he approached ASX employees trying to win new contracts(but didnt succeed)
***by saying that demorgan wont offer services promised and they should go with him.. ASX however forwarded that contact communication to the demorgan share % owner and it went to court

yep he was even scamming back in early 2000's

Any source other than van pelt ? I see you almost "copied" his article about that part . https://mylegacykit.medium.com/faketoshi-the-early-years-part-1-9964fc1639e3
The problem is that i probably have read everything you have and much more . You just stick to your bias as others and don't want to spend any more time . Have you watched his series with Ryan ? the masterclasses ? the interviews ? and more ? Probably not , as you still think that bitcoin is just a form of scarce money .

https://www.smh.com.au/technology/a-billion-reasons-for-in-house-it-20020528-gdfb94.html

"The ASX has also bought some ready-made systems, including a derivative trading system from Swedish company OM technologies, and a 24-hour security monitor by Melbourne company DeMorgan.
(It is, in turn, kept in check by an in-house security monitor.) "We'll do it (outsource) where we think it's necessary and where we think the risk is manageable," Olsson says."

Probably he plagiarised that system too , right ?

What ASX done at that time was unique , no other exchange had something similar in the world . I don't think they would choose someone incompetent . Of course i can stick with your word as you guys know better . Or not .

[franky1]

i was actually reading the court filings of the 2003 case..

https://www.smh.com.au/technology/a-billion-reasons-for-in-house-it-20020528-gdfb94.html

"The ASX has also bought some ready-made systems, including a derivative trading system from Swedish company OM technologies, and a 24-hour security monitor by Melbourne company DeMorgan.
(It is, in turn, kept in check by an in-house security monitor.) "We'll do it (outsource) where we think it's necessary and where we think the risk is manageable," Olsson says."

Probably he plagiarised that system too , right ?

What ASX done at that time was unique , no other exchange had something similar in the world . I don't think they would choose someone incompetent . Of course i can stick with your word as you guys know better . Or not .

you really wanna pull the pin in the granade you hold... fine

CSW.. the human (incompetent at coding) did not write code for demorgan nor actually do work. his wife employed people to code or they buy/steal/ claim software  as their own.. to re-licence it (notice how he is doing it again now with bitcoin)
the ASX did not take up an offer to have CSW as the IT manager monitoring ASX systems.. they  done their own monitoring in house

ASX did not outsource or contract out work to CSW, they gave demorgan MONEY for a licence of software (software unrelated to CSW)
also the 2003 court case noted how demorgan after CSW left was found to be an empty shell company

[HmmMAA]

i was actually reading the court filings of the 2003 case..

I'm always glad to see people doing their own pow . Anything to add to my previous post ?

You mean the 2004 case ?

[franky1]

i was actually reading the court filings of the 2003 case..

I'm always glad to see people doing their own pow . Anything to add to my previous post ?

You mean the 2004 case ?

it started in 2003 and ended after 2005.. (many appeals and asking for continuances and such stupid avoidance tactics)
he was ordered to not compete in 2003

[HmmMAA]

it started in 2003 and ended after 2005.. (many appeals and asking for continuances and such stupid avoidance tactics)
he was ordered to not compete in 2003

If you can share links it would be much appreciated .

[franky1]

it started in 2003 and ended after 2005.. (many appeals and asking for continuances and such stupid avoidance tactics)
he was ordered to not compete in 2003

If you can share links it would be much appreciated .

had to go through notes..
http://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdoc/au/cases/nsw/NSWSC/2003/1011.html

i know that you will try to find bombshells like "oh look mr greer of ASX told a CSW employee that CSW worked for ASX"* but that is later called into question in later cases, including how CSW tries to suggest he had no business with ASX and was only contacting lower level employee's of ASX, and such..
 funny part is CSW having a "system admin" who said greer said to "system admin" that CSW worked for ASX..
.. wait CSW needed a system admin..
.. wait "system admin" didnt know by default if CSW was working with ASX via them actually actively doing things for ASX
.. wait system admit had doubts of CSW involvement in ASX
(also)
didnt you think CSW was the system admin.. oh wait he employs people, but doesnt do the "genius"work himself
the rabbit hole only gets bigger from there.
just wait for the plot twists


by the way have you heard of google, you can find the court cases yourself. all of them, try it.
oh by the way demorgan went into default as it had no assets, no product no proprietary, no ip, no patent
because CSW and first wife left MR holding an empty bag of pretend big investment of big client
(you will soon learn it the more you read of the cases 2003-2005)

*keep in mind your own earlier link how ASX dont outsource contractors and done the monitoring in-house (not CSW)
using software that was not even a demorgan/CSW creation.. but sold as such with fake licence to pretend its a demorgan product
(much like he is trying now with bitcoin, falsely claiming it as his software to re-licence it)

[franky1]

LeezHamilton.. aka bitcoinmoses.. shut up and disappear again for a few months.. come up with something actually worthy of posting

[Stalker22]

LeezHamilton.. aka bitcoinmoses.. shut up and disappear again for a few months.. come up with something actually worthy of posting

You shouldn't give that troll the time of day or react to his nonsense.  

Responding to troll often just makes the problem worse since trolls feed off the attention.  Instead, the best way is usually to just ignore him, and with no reaction from others, he will lose interest and go away.

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Day 16:

Mostly boring in court today and ended a little early today as Craig's council decided not to cross-examine their own forensic experts given the obvious. COPA witness Patrick Madden was cross-examined for most of it and I don't think he came across great or did any favours for COPA, but the day ended on an absolute bombshell with the revelation Craig had supplied a forged email purported to be from his previous lawyers and even better was put forward by Craig's own council. Craig's previous lawyers confirmed the faked emails Craig has submitted so that's another nail in Craig's coffin surely. Further details on what actually happened here: https://blog.bitmex.com/copa-vs-csw-day-16-craigs-lawyers-do-copas-job-for-them/

Who said he's a security expert? That's a title Craig has given himself, but given he gets hacked regularly when it's convenient for him as an excuse I'd say I'm more of a security expert than Craig.

I don't think that australian stock exchange would hire someone incompetent for monitoring their systems .

Oh, well I guess Craig is Satoshi then . Did they hire a so-called security exert who gets hacked multiple times a year? I haven't seen any evidence of him doing anything with the Australian stock exchange, and the same goes for most of Craig's fabricated C.V. What Craig usually does - assuming the claim isn't just a flat-out lie in the first place - is take a kernel of the truth and either inject some backdated lies into it or shit some more lies all over it, sometimes both. Take the meeting minutes from BDO Kendalls: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536.828.34.pdf

BDO, a company Craig allegedly worked for, but obviously never had anything to do with bitcoin, so Craig forges and backdates some 'proof' that alleges he mentioned bitcoin long before the publication of the whitepaper, only he gets caught in this physical fraud by writing the notes on a notepad confirmed by the makers to not have existed at the time. Craig lies so much it's impossible to know when he's telling the truth, but you can usually assume he is not.

Christen Ager-Hanssen released his evidence against Craig today which is worth a read:

https://medium.com/@agerhanssen/bdo-drive-october-2007-extracted-2023-you-wanted-evidence-82593c431a11

Along with a load of texts: https://twitter.com/agerhanssen/status/1762110519010312307

For those wanting a current update I would recommend checking out the latest Dr Bitcoin podcast: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aproxaMcFL4

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Day 17

The shortest day of the trial so far at little over an hour due to Craig's side dismissing most of their witnesses. Not much happened obviously, but the day opened with COPA confirming the recent email forgeries and they would have a report ready on them soon.

Day 18

The "cryptocurrency expert" Prof Sarah Meiklejohn came across very well. It's funny how lawyers try to spin things in both ways. When Craig is caught plagiarising and his excuse is I was hacked, it's always well, is it possible he was hacked?, and the answer of course is I suppose it is possible, but just like it's possible aliens from another dimension also beamed the forgeries onto his computer from their spaceship. I mean, you can't prove that they didn't do that, so I suppose it is possible. When they were going over Craig's failed signing sessions Meiklejohn gave several ways Craig could have faked them including domain spoofing, wifi-hijacking etc, and Craig's team were pushing these as pie-in-the-sky claims but Meiklejohn's it is possible was dismissed as unlikely fancifulness, even though she stated she didn't believe this is what likely happened (I don't think Craig is smart enough to do this when all it takes is changing a bit of code in electrum, which is probably what he did).

Zem Gao, a blatant Craig Wright fanboy was also cross-examined. I missed the first part of his evidence and him being sworn in and I initially thought he was on COPA's side he was making Craig look so bad. Not sure why Craigs defence had him on, and they ended with going through all his pro-Craig writings at the end which was pretty much an embarrassing slam dunk for his impartiality.

There was no day in court today and the trial will resume tomorrow, and if I understand correctly, Craig is back on the stand to answer the recent admission of the forged email. This should be interesting, but of course he will almost certainly just blame someone else. Hopefully both COPA and the judge take this opportunity to grill Craig rather than just letting him pass the buck to someone else, especially as this is a forgery that took place during the trial. For those wanting a quick refresher here is what happened with the forged email:

December 2019: Craig and Ontier had an unrelated email exchange

March 2020: Craig sends MYOB login info to Ontier, and they make screenshots that same day

8 Feb 2024:
    * Craig is on the stand stating that Ontier received his MYOB login in 2019
    * Ontier emails Shoosmiths stating that they did create the screenshots in March 2020, not earlier

18 Feb 2024: Craig sends an email to Ontier backdated to December 2019, makes it look part of that December 2019 email thread.

23 Feb 2024:
    * Craig is on the stand again, affirming his previous statement and claiming he has the emails
    * Ramona [Craig's wife] hands over backdated email
    * Shoosmiths asks Ontier, attaches backdated email
    * Ontier reconfirms no login details before March 2020, backdated email was found on their system but found to be received 18 Feb 2023, appears to be part of a December 2019 thread but different.

https://twitter.com/oisyn/status/1763202102266929394

If you want to enjoy another couple of Craig's unbelievably stupid and sloppy forgeries here's a two more:

https://twitter.com/Arthur_van_Pelt/status/1763201157713838500
https://twitter.com/Arthur_van_Pelt/status/1763252633177915783

And if you want to read the COPA forensic reports used during the trial here they are: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/4y3gdele4foy15006z8ch/h?rlkey=scs42wew1o3vwfv0nduhc43dm&e=4&dl=0

[franky1]

i hope copa lawyers actually use the airport bag security check-in analogy
it doesnt matter if someone claims someone else did it/hacked/swapped things/added. what you hand in needs to be checked by you because once handed in, its your responsibility and everything is then on you

(well not the analogy itself, but point out that his excuses hold no weight as whats filed is his responsibility)

CSW's efforts are akin to a school kid handing in his homework. the teacher gives him an F grade and the kid is like "um um but but, its not my homework sir, please give me an A for effort".. in this analogy he deserves detention, twice. not just a F grade

[hilariousetc]

i hope copa lawyers actually use the airport bag security check-in analogy
it doesnt matter if someone claims someone else did it/hacked/swapped things/added. what you hand in needs to be checked by you because once handed in, its your responsibility and everything is then on you

(well not the analogy itself, but point out that his excuses hold no weight as whats filed is his responsibility)

CSW's efforts are akin to a school kid handing in his homework. the teacher gives him an F grade and the kid is like "um um but but, its not my homework sir, please give me an A for effort".. in this analogy he deserves detention, twice. not just a F grade

Well, they usually push back on the excuses/lies, but only once and then just quickly move on. You would think they would push him a little further given the ridiculousness of the blatant lie, but hopefully the judge is aware of the fancifulness of Craig's excuses and that's all that is needed. Craig's lies are pretty much the legal equivalent of the dog ate my homework. These are all documents he submitted as proof of his claims and now they're doing the opposite it's the shaggy defence of it wasn't me. Why can't Craig just go back and get all the "original" unedited non-hacked documents (because obviously he can't because they don't exist, but I'm surprised the lawyers haven't asked for these). It's like a murderer sat in court and the judge asking why he was found covered in blood, holding the murder-weapon and a receipt for the knife in his pocket, and the only person with motive to commit the murder is that person, but his defence is it must have been someone else or the evidence was planted. How many forgeries are enough? Every document he has submitted has been proven to be forged or tampered with in some way and many are blatant, even the physical notepad should have ended any doubt. If Craig isn't found in contempt and there isn't another trial for that with potential jailtime I think this whole process will have been a farce. If Craig loses this case is he going to be barred from claiming to be Satoshi, or just in the UK? Is he going to just ignore that and possibly move to a different country and still make the same claims whilst no doubt appealing the verdict. I'm really hoping he gets a taste of his own medicine and ends up in several lawsuits that he's never out of court.

Oh, and we've nearly got a bingo:

[LeezHamilton]

 What will be the next session on 12 March 2024 ?

The cross examination has completed for both party.  Is Justice Mellor alone is going to make the decision if whether is is fraud and the brazen liar ?   Supposed say Craig has lost the case and judge is not satisfied with Craig's forged documents and COPA win the case after 12 March.  What kind of legal orders Justice Mellor will issue on Craig ?

How will it affect Craig's litigation against the Bitcoin Core Developers ?

If Justice Mellor is unable to make correct judgement for some bureaucratic reason or for some other reasons for instance, neither can confirm that Craig is liar or he can confirm that Craig has forged the doccuments but he cannot justify if whether Craig is Satoshi ?  So what could be Justice Mellor's verdict on the main issue that Craig is not Satoshi, which he is not.  

Suppose, Craig and his barrister convince Justice Mellor that, if whether he is the author  of the Bitcoin White Paper or nor, it is not COPAS business to file this litigation case against him. He can argue that COPA is not the author of Bitcoin White Paper. So the COPA's litigation against him is illegal. He can say only the real Satoshi Nakamoto can legally  file litigation case against Craig for infringement of the  Bitcoin White Paper. Therefore, how COPA can sue Craig ?  

While the real Satoshi Nakamoto did not appoint COPA to sue Craig, so Craig can just evade and ask the Judge to throw the case out, because COPA has no legal right to sue Craig.

If this litigation is orchestrated by Craig Wright and Jack Dorsey with a mutual agreement, its mean this litigation case is not a genuine case. As the real party the author of Bitcoin White Paper is absence. So,  you Bitcoiners must try to understand that a cat is hidden inside the blanket. Some one must shake the blanket and let the cat out. So all the Bitcoin developers and investors and traders will see that this Saga Bitcoin Drama case is just a mock saga drama as the Coingeek wrote today in a article below.

What are the odd ?  

https://coingeek.com/sights-and-sounds-of-the-satoshi-trial-copa-v-wright/

[franky1]

Oh, and we've nearly got a bingo:

cussing infront of the judge

'I’m sorry, My Lord, but the only word I can use is that I was a complete arse', Dr Craig Wright told Mr Justice Mellor today.

What will be the next session on 12 March 2024 ?

closing arguments

[dkbit98]

This Faketoshi circus is getting next level crazy.
It's funny to hear that his sister Danielle DeMorgan said that once she saw him dressed as a ninja, and other time he was working in a room full of computers, and that was the evidence for her that he created Bitcoin.
I thought that Faketoshi was the only crazy member of his family, but oh boy was I wrong  

[LeezHamilton]

This Faketoshi circus is getting next level crazy.
It's funny to hear that his sister Danielle DeMorgan said that once she saw him dressed as a ninja, and other time he was working in a room full of computers, and that was the evidence for her that he created Bitcoin.
I thought that Faketoshi was the only crazy member of his family, but oh boy was I wrong  

No body can go to heaven to find out - if whether the God exist ?  But any one can go to the High Court and claim to to be Satoshi Nakamoto.  For Craig Wright - he knows that he is the real Satoshi Nakamoto. He also knows that it is unwise for him to claim that he is Satoshi Nakamoto.

Even though he is trying his best to prove that he is Satoshi Nakamoto.  But all the time the Bitcoin experts proving that he has forged the documents. He is claiming that Bitcoin is not encrypted it is bloody paper ledger and he want alter the Blockchain. Why he does not understand that each block of Bitcoin is encrypted with SHA-256 and other cryptographic methods ?  Is he so fool that he has no clues what the Bitcoin is ?





 

[ABCbits]

Why he does not understand that each block of Bitcoin is encrypted with SHA-256 and other cryptographic methods ?

Why LeezHamilton does not understand difference between cryptography hashing, signature and encryption?

[DooMAD]

Why he does not understand that each block of Bitcoin is encrypted with SHA-256 and other cryptographic methods ?

Why LeezHamilton does not understand difference between cryptography hashing, signature and encryption?

Because Faketoshi topics are a magnet for trolls and disinformation agents.  Like flies on dung.

I've already got ~LeezHamilton and ~franky1 on distrust and on my ignore list.  ~HmmMAA is on distrust and likely soon to be on ignore.  Filter out the scum and the topic (and the forum in general) is much nicer to read.

Fortunately, it shouldn't be too much longer before this little pantomime comes to a close.  At the end of this trial, we can hopefully draw a line under all this farce, all the delusional little Wright supporters will be too embarrassed to show their faces anymore and we can all move on and forget about it. 

[franky1]

funny part is in this topic i have corrected details, explained things, whilst doomad and the leez hmmMaa trolls just here for the drama

side note leez/HmmMaa and doomad enjoy other networks they want to consider to be called bitcoin networks
theres the BSV and the Msat IOU(LN) crew of trolls.. two cultish groups all wanting to recruit actual bitcoin(btc) people away from bitcoin, advertising their admiration of their godlike idols that made their favourite other networks

if only those three actually took the time to learn what bitcoin actually is rather then cry about how their recruitment plans are not working out
doomads cult is getting just as bad as the CSW cult

[LeezHamilton]

funny part is in this topic i have corrected details, explained things, whilst doomad and the leez hmmMaa trolls just here for the drama

side note leez/HmmMaa and doomad enjoy other networks they want to consider to be called bitcoin networks
theres the BSV and the Msat IOU(LN) crew of trolls.. two cultish groups all wanting to recruit actual bitcoin(btc) people away from bitcoin, advertising their admiration of their godlike idols that made their favourite other networks

if only those three actually took the time to learn what bitcoin actually is rather then cry about how their recruitment plans are not working out
doomads cult is getting just as bad as the CSW cult

frank1 and DooMad and HmmMaa, three of them are my crazy bots.  If you three do not understand how cryptography works in Bitcoin and Blockchain then I will find a way to teach you three a lessons.  Bitcoin and Blockchain has nothing to do with encryption protocol as Craig claims and is trying his best to obtain a win from an orchestrated case claiming to be Satoshi Nakamoto, which he is not.  Bitcoin and Blockchain which actually I created and only I know how I created them.  I used, PGP protocol of Hal Finney, when he was working for Phil Zimmerman.  When I was interacting as James A Donald in the Cryptography Mailing list with my main pseudonym Satoshi Nakamoto, then it attracted Hal Finney to contact me.   It was not in 2009 or 2998 but in early May 2007.   Then I planned to send Hal Finney the first Bitcoin transition of 10 BTC. Actually Hal Finney did not know about my Bitcoin Mining system then.  Bitcoin can be traded without Internet Internet or using those codes.  I have designed first Bitcoin as graphic SFT.  Latter used cryptography and  codes to launch on the Internet.  Scaling bitcoin is an issue.   I have written a new protocol for unlimited Bitcoin transaction over the internet and telecommunication channel.  For mining problem, literally I did not needed any miners help.  I could  use only my bot to mine but I wanted people to join in person. But you all have forgotten me and my very integrity and my kindness.   I did not wanted any kind of reward from you.  I am need less.   But you have exploited my  invention and done serious damages to me.   

I created the @HalFin twitter account for Halloween Finance.   Then After interacting with Harrold Finney I copy and paste his photo in my @HalFin twitter account because I wanted to give a sunrise gift from that twitter account to him. that twitter account I created on 6 May 2007 but the creation date has been changed for a secret reason by Jack Dorsey.  The 10 Bitcoin was the first Bitcoin outward transaction I was experimenting with in May 2007 but changed the Time Stamp in January 2009.  When Hal Finney discovered that I was impersonating his name he was a little bit fascinated to find out  about my real identity.  He really thought I was a young Japanese Student.  I approached Hal Finney to work for my Bitcoin and Blockchain project in 2007 and in 2008 but he was employed by Phil Zimmerman and officially he was not allowed to work for any other company or project.  Phil Zimmerman was a contracted engineer for a government secret service agent.  He was watching over Hal Finney  on a regular basis.  

Hal was the man who was impressed by my Bitcoin White Paper and E-Cash Paper which I published, after a few other people replied to me in the cryptography mailing list.   Ray Dillinger was very much skeptical at the beginning but he was convinced after reading my paper properly.   On the other side in the SourceForge and the IRC Channel, I communicated with Gavin Bell, Peter Wuille and a few others as Satoshi Nakamoto and sometimes as Gavin Andresen, then   gave the ''Gavin Andresen'' to Gavin Bell to become a little bit pseudonymous.  But he chose to change his Surname from Bell to Andresen.   For James Lopp I created a twitter account the @JamesonLopp and gave it to him as a gift.  I worked all those years using hundreds of pseudonyms.   I was planning to hire Craig Wright to become a guest speaker at my Blockchain Launching day in 2009, and there was a precool for him to attend my Blockchain Launching conference but he must wear three piece suits and must have red socks.  Craig Wright really admired my plan and he has stuck to it.  

Any conferences or court he has attended he has followed my protocol which I like it.  Only the thing I do not like about Craig Wright is, he has gone over the limit.  I understand his autism and mental monition very well.  He is not a mentally ill person but he I am worried of his wellbeing as he already admitted that he was going to commit suicide.  I don't want him to commit suicide after losing this litigation.   If he does harm himself, then I will ask the Court to become aware of it and respond to my email and find a good solution for COPA -v- Craig Wright Litigation case.  If the Court finding difficulties to justify his claim as he has no proof that he invented Bitcoin and written the Bitcoin White Paper, then the court can ask the COPA team to find real Satoshi Nakamoto and prove that Craig Wright is a brazen liar.  I have read the report of  Ripple CTO David Swartz who has debunked Craig Wright's claim.

I must find a good solution to this huge problem.  Officially I never wanted to be known for the invention of Bitcoin and Blockchain technology but as the situation has gone worse, I am thinking of finding a proper solution.   It is necessary now because it involves many serious matters which the authorities need to know.  I am not a Cipherpunk but I am a Cybernaut or Cyberpunk.   Wherever I am and whoever I am, I know it does not matter for the Bitcoin and Blockchain community because I have passed the Bitcoin Torch to Gavin Andresen but Wladimir  V. D. Laan has hijacked it.  Which is not right.  I understand Craig's boldness and his claim that BTC is not Bitcoin but BSV is the true Bitcoin as he claims but the true fact is BTC is Bitcoin Trans Cash. I designed it in this way in 2007.  Thus Craig's claim has no backing as he is not the inventor or architect or Chief scientist of Blockchain.  That nChain is part of the Bitcoin Blockchain which I designed.  If does not eliminate his arrogant claim and become a civilized person like my Japanese Culture then I will put a ban on Craig Wright myself obtaining a Court Order.   Bitcoin dot Org now can republish my Bitcoin White Paper tomorrow and show Craig Wright my permission.   If I need to file a case to get the order from any court as he has infringed my Bitcoin White Paper and has caused a serious damage to all the Bitcoin developers then I am asking the COPA Team follow my instruction otherwise I will reveal my identity myself on 12 March or may on the 16 March 2024 to celebrate Birthday of the Greatest Prophet of all times Lord Moses Ben David Be Levi Ben Israel Ben Abraham Ben Adam Ben El'Hanu.

What we need is proper decentralization in the Bitcoin Blockchain industry. As we know that Central Banks are worried about Bitcoin but like the Blockchain.  I was thinking the governments would authorize the central Banks to launch the CBDC but the governments are delaying.  I understand once the government creates the CBDC then it will secretly help the public to become more independent than the old fiat financial model. But the government also knows that after the creation of CBDC, the government will lose control dramatically because then people will be able to bypass bank and credit regulation to buy more bitcoin. I want to see CBDC come into circulation soon.

franky1,  please do not worry about whether I am Bitcoin Moses or Leez Hamilton. After reading my post if you do not understand then you must provide proof of evidence.  If you cannot then please be quiet and mind your own business.  Anybody can claim to be Satoshi Nakamoto.   I recommend that it is your turn to claim,  We need more Satoshi candidates.  There is always a place for New Satoshi in the Bitcoin Space.

But if you are an agent working for governments or financial elite or group then, no problem, just know that you do not know everything that you need to know.  So pay attention and learn so it will benefit yourself and others.  

Now days governments are struggling to produce good governance so we must help the governments to achieve those things that governments want to achieve. So I am wishing you all to join me properly and help me to help 99.99% people of the world.   If I do not care for what I am doing then just leave the Bitcoin talk forum and go for a lifelong holiday somewhere you like and leave me and friends and co-workers alone.   But if you feel good then welcome to Bitcoin Inner Circle.

[NotATether]

Bitcoin and Blockchain has nothing to do with encryption protocol as Craig claims and is trying his best to obtain a win from an orchestrated case claiming to be Satoshi Nakamoto, which he is not.  Bitcoin and Blockchain which actually I created and only I know how I created them.  I used, PGP protocol of Hal Finney, when he was working for Phil Zimmerman.  When I was interacting as James A Donald in the Cryptography Mailing list with my main pseudonym Satoshi Nakamoto, then it attracted Hal Finney to contact me.   It was not in 2009 or 2998 but in early May 2007.   Then I planned to send Hal Finney the first Bitcoin transition of 10 BTC. Actually Hal Finney did not know about my Bitcoin Mining system then.  Bitcoin can be traded without Internet Internet or using those codes.  I have designed first Bitcoin as graphic SFT.  Latter used cryptography and  codes to launch on the Internet.  Scaling bitcoin is an issue.   I have written a new protocol for unlimited Bitcoin transaction over the internet and telecommunication channel.  For mining problem, literally I did not needed any miners help.  I could  use only my bot to mine but I wanted people to join in person. But you all have forgotten me and my very integrity and my kindness.   I did not wanted any kind of reward from you.  I am need less.   But you have exploited my  invention and done serious damages to me.  

Dude if you are Satoshi and you know that Craig Wright is wrong then WTF are you doing here? You should be in the courtroom to post your evidence there. /s

[DooMAD]

I am need less

If that were true, you wouldn't be such an attention-whore.   

You are a fraud.  And a laughably pathetic one, at that.

Please go away.

[LeezHamilton]

Bitcoin and Blockchain has nothing to do with encryption protocol as Craig claims and is trying his best to obtain a win from an orchestrated case claiming to be Satoshi Nakamoto, which he is not.  Bitcoin and Blockchain which actually I created and only I know how I created them.  I used, PGP protocol of Hal Finney, when he was working for Phil Zimmerman.  When I was interacting as James A Donald in the Cryptography Mailing list with my main pseudonym Satoshi Nakamoto, then it attracted Hal Finney to contact me.   It was not in 2009 or 2998 but in early May 2007.   Then I planned to send Hal Finney the first Bitcoin transition of 10 BTC. Actually Hal Finney did not know about my Bitcoin Mining system then.  Bitcoin can be traded without Internet Internet or using those codes.  I have designed first Bitcoin as graphic SFT.  Latter used cryptography and  codes to launch on the Internet.  Scaling bitcoin is an issue.   I have written a new protocol for unlimited Bitcoin transaction over the internet and telecommunication channel.  For mining problem, literally I did not needed any miners help.  I could  use only my bot to mine but I wanted people to join in person. But you all have forgotten me and my very integrity and my kindness.   I did not wanted any kind of reward from you.  I am need less.   But you have exploited my  invention and done serious damages to me.  

Dude if you are Satoshi and you know that Craig Wright is wrong then WTF are you doing here? You should be in the courtroom to post your evidence there. /s

''Craig Wright recently said that bitcoin will never reach $20K. Of course I don't believe him, and the market will probably prove him wrong anyway (again), but why would he say something crazy like this?''

You seems like new in the Bitcoin community.  IO don't mean that you are newbie.  You must mind your own language.  You never know who you are speaking with here in the forum.

Yes, you are right wat I am doing here ?

I am here to inform the true bitcoiners the true facts. Without revealing my identity.  If I go to the court, who do you want me to Support ?  COPA or Craig Wright.  I know you do not like Craig Wright but I do not hate him either.  Even though he is causing a serious damages.  But yes,  I have contacted Justice Mellor on 9 Feb.  2024  through the Court Email but he has not replied me back.  I know I will not get a reply from the court. Because this case has nothing do do with me.  but yet, I can establish myself as Third Party but I don't think it is my time.  I must see  first what the out come of this litigation reveal ?  

What do you think I should do ?  Do you think It is good for me to go to the Court and say  Craig Wright is not right but wrong and Faketoshi ?
 
Of course then the Justice Mellor will ask me to prove my identity.  Do you understand what that involves ?

I know this court very well.   I am an experienced person.   So I must do thing what is right for me to do.  

I am even not ask the court to send me link for watching online because that could lead me to get much more excited. I don't like to get excited.  


But I would prefer,  If someone can provide me an skeleton argument of this case will be appreciated.  

[hilariousetc]

Day 19

Craig was back on the stand on Friday and had to answer to the newly presented forged email evidence that he submitted mid-trial (or his wife did). Of course, Craig did what Craig does best and blame someone else but his excuses were even more incredulous this time. He claimed that someone had hacked into his emails and sent the email. COPA's barrister put forward to him the ridiculousness of the claim as there would have only been a 30 minute window for someone to have done this, and all just to make Craig look bad, and then of course they would have had to have hoped that craig then went on to use this in court  . They asked him who might have done this hacking and Craig went on to say that there's a huge list of suspects with motive and his email has been hacked countless times. I'm not sure why the Worlds Number One security expert keeps using this same email address given seemingly every hacker in the world knows about it and can hack it within minutes. Maybe use 2-factor auth? Craig actually even blamed the Dr Bitcoin Podcast's Arthur Van Pelt for the hacking, which is a trial first  .

Just for a quick recap of what actually happened with this email debacle:









I mean, surely the judge has to find him in contempt for this bullshit alone?

The trial has been on a break this week and will resume on Tuesday (I think).

If you want to catch up on the trial check out the newest episode of the Dr Bitcoin Pod: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YS9_GQkMAic

[OgNasty]

Thank you for your continued coverage of this event.  Any idea when this will be wrapped up?  I get that a specific day isn't possible (or maybe it is?) but perhaps you could give an estimate or a percentage of completion that you believe the trial is?  I'm tired of seeing all this coverage and hope that a loss for Craig means he'll drop this satoshi nonsense and get back to whatever it is he does.  Seeing BSV rally as a result of this trial is a little entertaining though.

[BlackHatCoiner]

Imagine a "security expert" who:

- does not know what's an unsigned int.
- had their email account hacked multiple times.
- had their Bitcoin private keys compromised.
- blaming someone else for using his computer.

Very expert. Such wow! Definitely the Bitcoin creator!  

[hilariousetc]

Thank you for your continued coverage of this event.  Any idea when this will be wrapped up?  I get that a specific day isn't possible (or maybe it is?) but perhaps you could give an estimate or a percentage of completion that you believe the trial is?  I'm tired of seeing all this coverage and hope that a loss for Craig means he'll drop this satoshi nonsense and get back to whatever it is he does.  Seeing BSV rally as a result of this trial is a little entertaining though.

Closing submissions should be 12-15th of March so I'm guessing the 15th will be the final day, unless anything changes. I don't think Craig will ever drop this even if he's found guilty, which if he is hopefully he's legally not even allowed to make the claim anymore or be in contempt of court and maybe gets a go straight to jail card, but maybe he will just move countries to where he can legally make the claim, or just allude to the fact that he is Satoshi rather than flat out saying it. Craig isn't going to drop this as not only does he have too much riding on it he's a pure fantasist who feeds on the unearned kudos even if it's only from a small minority of buffoons.

Imagine a "security expert" who:

- does not know what's an unsigned int.
- had their email account hacked multiple times.
- had their Bitcoin private keys compromised.
- blaming someone else for using his computer.

Very expert. Such wow! Definitely the Bitcoin creator!  

It's also much more than merely having his keys compromised. Several times he says he has lost access to his bitcoins and that they've been stolen by hackers, yet the coins never moved. Why would hackers steal his coins but never even move them so at any time him or the hackers could do so at any time. Pure nonsense, but I guess you've got to come up with something to excuse not being able to move the coins yourself or sign a message from them.

[cryptosize]

Imagine a "security expert" who:

- does not know what's an unsigned int.
- had their email account hacked multiple times.
- had their Bitcoin private keys compromised.
- blaming someone else for using his computer.

Very expert. Such wow! Definitely the Bitcoin creator!  

It's also much more than merely having his keys compromised. Several times he says he has lost access to his bitcoins and that they've been stolen by hackers, yet the coins never moved. Why would hackers steal his coins but never even move them so at any time him or the hackers could do so at any time. Pure nonsense, but I guess you've got to come up with something to excuse not being able to move the coins yourself or sign a message from them.

And yet, some people insist there's 95% (HmmMalakies ) chance he's Satoshi Nakamoto!

[franky1]

It's also much more than merely having his keys compromised. Several times he says he has lost access to his bitcoins and that they've been stolen by hackers, yet the coins never moved. Why would hackers steal his coins but never even move them so at any time him or the hackers could do so at any time. Pure nonsense, but I guess you've got to come up with something to excuse not being able to move the coins yourself or sign a message from them.

just shows how little he knows of how bitcoin works..

these small things that trip CSW up about his narrative is exactly things id want to see COPA have mentioned. to show how much a lying fool CSW is all the time

as for his expertise, yep not just the unsigned-int, but also things like his mumblings of other notions of not knowing the difference between database(edit/delete entries) vs ledgers(lock/append entries)

[dkbit98]

Craig was back on the stand on Friday and had to answer to the newly presented forged email evidence that he submitted mid-trial (or his wife did). Of course, Craig did what Craig does best and blame someone else but his excuses were even more incredulous this time. He claimed that someone had hacked into his emails and sent the email.

Apparently it was such an easy job  to ''hack'' email of such a ''smart ninja'' programmer like him  
It's one thing for someone to hack your system, but it's next level crazy for the same hacker to send email from that same account.

It's also much more than merely having his keys compromised. Several times he says he has lost access to his bitcoins and that they've been stolen by hackers, yet the coins never moved.

He is probably the guy with most fantasy hack attacks against him in the whole world, worthy getting him listed in Guinness World Records book.

[LeezHamilton]

What was the story of COPA v Craig Wright today ?

I am Craig is going to lose in this litigation. But that will also move the the COPA v Craig Wright case in the next phase.  He will make an appeal. On the other hand if the the Justice Mellor lost his conscious faculty then he will be under some kind bureaucratic power to conclude his judgement in favour of Craig Wright and Craig will think he has won the case and be able to Bank on my Pseudonym Satoshi Nakamoto, but that wont happen because the COPA will find a way to make the appeal or file further case against him.

I am just wondering. Leez Hamilton my Scottish AI is traveling to the Moon with her twin sister  Roselyn Hamilton to catch few aliens from the out of space in the NASA. On the other hand my Robot Markux Kerpelux is busy with Geisha club, he has other thing do pay attention to.  

If the hidden group succeed in this COPA v Craig Wright case and continues their nefarious motives and harass and persecute me further long in order to over powered the Bitcoin and Blockchain industry which I have funded for social development then I will have no other option except following my old Plan. I mean my old Strategic Plan.  If they do not leave me alone then I must find a solution use my Abra ka Dabra Mantra to sort-out all the problems and confession the the greedy Gremlins gas created by hijacking my Bitcoin and Blockchain project.

What I can do is just resurrect Hal Finney and Alex Finney and may Lou Finney too to complete my mission,  so the Bitcoin will go to the Moon very soon. and the Economic Chaos created by the Fiat families could be reformed sooner than latter to distribute New wealth to all the citizen of the Comonworld under the Bitcoin Manifest of New World Economic System which is complete decentralisation. If the evil group create hindrance then by 2027 the real world war lll will start but I will make sure the war end before 2034.  If the Nuclear Empowered governments do not dismantle all the nuclear war head by 2030 and convert the Nuclear War Head to Electricity Plant to mine Bitcoin then I will ask the God of Heaven who dwell in me to find the final solution.

There is a message for the Bitcoin Gremlins here as well as for all the governments officials and for all the fanatical elites and central bankers.

 


Will Craig Wright Appeal against the Court decision if it is proved has forged all the documents ?
Will the Court be able to punish him for forgeries in a civil case  ?


https://www.coindesk.com/policy/2024/03/12/craig-wright-committed-perjury-in-uk-trial-over-satoshi-claims-copa-says

Craig Wright told his audience at the Oxford Union, that if he is lying regarding Satoshi Clam, then the Court can send him to  Jail in 2019.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqpwuJw7cxY
  

[hilariousetc]

Day 20

Today was the start of closing submissions and COPA were basically just going over all the points made in the previous weeks and making their final case on why Craig is a fake. It was nice to have everything summarised and once again be reminded of how fucked Craig is.

COPAs closing arguments can already be viewed here: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/4y3gdele4foy15006z8ch/h/Skeletons/Closings?dl=0&subfolder_nav_tracking=1

And good news is that they end with a recommendation to prosecute Craig for perjury and perverting the course of justice, which will be an absolute tragedy if that doesn't happen:

[franky1]

Craig Wright told his audience at the Oxford Union, that if he is lying regarding Satoshi Clam, then the Court can send him to  Jail in 2019.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqpwuJw7cxY

funny to see J.nyugen ..
when CSW first bought bitcoin in 2013 it was nguyen that became CSW's first sponsor and partner.. nguyen was involved with stealing the W&K brand from the klieman family a year after of learning of D.kliemans death and then dreaming up "tulip" in 2014+

but i have not read/heard much about nguyen involved in CSW stuff 2020+

as for CSW thoughts on lying in court, he thought that he is in USA where SLAPP civil cases never really escalate/involve prison if perverting the court system(in states that allow SLAPP cases). which is why he was confident in saying "send me to prison" by him (wrongly) thinking prison time is not an option in civil cases..

however in the UK we do treat it more serious if the court system is abused by scammers, and yes even in civil cases in the uk they can lead to charges which end up as criminal justice aka prison
(people have gone (wrongly and rightfully) to prison due to judgement of civil cases (notably recently the post office post masters))

..
as for the post judgement.. yes perjury for lies said in court..(but could end up as just a fine, but seriousness points to possible prison time) but also a separate investigation of the underlying fraud for years, should happen through the crown prosecution service(definitely criminal case related and definitely criminal prison time)
funny part is by CSW blaming business partners for the lies/falsifies. he is actually admitting it was a fraud involving multiple people he partnered with, which raises the severity of the fraud(puts him in prison for longer)

[headingnorth]

The only way this delusional clown could possibly win this case is if he bribed the judge to rule in his favor. He belongs in prison or a mental institution.

[nutildah]

The only way this delusional clown could possibly win this case is if he bribed the judge to rule in his favor. He belongs in prison or a mental institution.

I will say that for whatever reason, his lawyers always manage to be aware of some kind of technicality that prevents such a thing or close to it from ever happening. They know about it before going into trial, so if things goes south, they can just use it to make sure he doesn't actually serve time.

As far as the money he owes continuing to pile up, it will just pile up indefinitely; nobody will ever be recredited and they won't have to be, because' he'll be completely broke.

[headingnorth]

The only way this delusional clown could possibly win this case is if he bribed the judge to rule in his favor. He belongs in prison or a mental institution.

I will say that for whatever reason, his lawyers always manage to be aware of some kind of technicality that prevents such a thing or close to it from ever happening. They know about it before going into trial, so if things goes south, they can just use it to make sure he doesn't actually serve time.

As far as the money he owes continuing to pile up, it will just pile up indefinitely; nobody will ever be recredited and they won't have to be, because' he'll be completely broke.

CW is the Donald Trump of Australia. His deluded followers keep giving him money which is apparently how he is able to keep his circus act going.

But perhaps he is running low on funds to pay his large legal costs which might explain how several of his own lawyers have turned on him and accused him of fraud.

In response Wright says that his own lawyers and witnesses are incompetent and/or lying. Pure comedy!  

  

[NotATether]

CW is the Donald Trump of Australia. His deluded followers keep giving him money which is apparently how he is able to keep his circus act going.

But perhaps he is running low on funds to pay his large legal costs which might explain how several of his own lawyers have turned on him and accused him of fraud.

In response Wright says that his own lawyers and witnesses are incompetent and/or lying. Pure comedy!

Surprise Trump regularly burns bridges with his lawyers too. But anyway....

Too bad this CS Fraud cannot just run for president to make his legal and financial troubles go away . Looks like he's thinking he can somehow break cryptography and just take Satoshi's bitcoins to pay off all his debts if he can just convince the court that he's Satoshi.

Not even a Dyson sphere can help a deluded man.

[headingnorth]

Netflix should seriously consider making a documentary about CW and his trial. I mean the comedy just writes itself and there is so much of it! Docu-comedy?  

[franky1]

Netflix should seriously consider making a documentary about CW and his trial. I mean the comedy just writes itself and there is so much of it! Docu-comedy?  

in actual fact, that is CSW's ultimate hope

he doesnt care about winning or losing court cases because CSW .WAS being paid for these court cases, not paying them himself. so it was a free lunch to turn up to court as a hobby for him.. his ultimate strategy is not to get rich from crypto ownership, but from movie deals.. as thats what he promised the guys paying for his court case hobby

so lets not give him any media time, lets not satisfy his fame and wealth plans.. let his story die into oblivion while hoping he sits in jail (should copa press for charges against him criminally)

[hilariousetc]

Day 21

More going over the summary arguments yesterday. One of my personal highlights was COPA's Hough commenting something along the lines of not to commit degree snobbery, but Craig's qualifications were of mediocre grade, from unprestigious universities, and his PHD thesis has been found to have included plagiarised content. Burn  . Bringing up Craig's blank expression during the unsigned integers debacle was also enjoyable: https://twitter.com/digitalnaut/status/1767830627615715382

Craig's council also took the stand to make their closing arguments, but the best they had was why hasn't the real Satoshi made an appearance to shoot Craig's accusations down. I mean, what sort of bullshit is that. They really don't have much here apart from Craig is smart and has patents and there's currently no better candidate blah blah blah. If Craig doesn't end up with perjury charges this trial will have been a waste. Craig's council has been pleading today that even if Craig loses it will be against his human rights to be prohibited from claiming to be Satoshi. Personally, I hope he his barred from doing so and maybe his "human rights" case should be left up to a higher court.

Netflix should seriously consider making a documentary about CW and his trial. I mean the comedy just writes itself and there is so much of it! Docu-comedy?  

I don't think a show based purely on this trial would be very entertaining, but I do think a film or maybe documentary about the whole Faketoshi saga would be. Maybe we need some sort of conclusion here though to make for a good ending. Andrew O’Hagan's The Satoshi Affair where Craig fled Australia was particularly thrilling reading for me and would certainly make a great part in a film or documentary: https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v38/n13/andrew-o-hagan/the-satoshi-affair

[franky1]

?? his council say its his human right to make such claims.. ?? (facepalm)

heck even dorian cant just take over IP rights of bitcoin, and his name was dorian satoshi nakamoto

i too can change my name to elon musk.. and thats my human right... but its not then my human right to cause fraud to proclaim myself as THE elon musk that owns spaceX and twitter and tesla.

so yea his council should be barred from standing in court ever again.. even they should know the basics of law that define naming yourself a random name of S.N. vs claiming to be a specific S.N entity that created something that a idiot is trying to steal..

[HmmMAA]

Judgment is out it seems , csw isn't satoshi . Congrats to the btc community . I was proven wrong and my judgment was poor as no evidence from csw was provided ( which i was expect to happen ) .

[BlackHatCoiner]

Netflix should seriously consider making a documentary about CW and his trial. I mean the comedy just writes itself and there is so much of it! Docu-comedy?

We should create a documentary about CSW in general, not for the recent court case. I mean, I totally hate him, but he's part of Bitcoin history. I can't wait until we gather all the forgeries in one place, I have just lost count.

Petition to call it "How many Wrongs make a Wright?".  (Not mine)

https://twitter.com/digitalnaut/status/1767830627615715382

Hahaha! It's been a while since I laughed that hard. 

- Do you know what's an unsigned integer?
- I do. It's not an integer with...
- With what?

Let's see if security expert Craig Wright can answer the 15th question and get the million dollars!

[hilariousetc]

Day 22

BREAKING NEWS

The judge made a shock preliminary announcement that "due to overwhelming" evidence Craig Wright is not is not the author of the whitepaper, not the creator of bitcoin, does not own any IP of bitcoin, and is not Satoshi Nakamoto.

I had to double check when he made the announcement as I was not expecting that until the end of the month. The judge also announced that we will have to wait 20 days for the full report and for the conclusion of the trial. Given this judgement that should surely indicate that Craig has lied throughout the trial and surely we should be seeing a prosecution for contempt and perjury.

?? his council say its his human right to make such claims.. ?? (facepalm)

heck even dorian cant just take over IP rights of bitcoin, and his name was dorian satoshi nakamoto

i too can change my name to elon musk.. and thats my human right... but its not then my human right to cause fraud to proclaim myself as THE elon musk that owns spaceX and twitter and tesla.

so yea his council should be barred from standing in court ever again.. even they should know the basics of law that define naming yourself a random name of S.N. vs claiming to be a specific S.N entity that created something that a idiot is trying to steal..

I can kind of see their argument from some sort of namby-pamby liberal stance, but the whole point of this trial is to prove Craig is a fraudster and should not be allowed to continue his fraud or his vexatious litigation against innocent people. Without it Craig is free to lie and claim to be someone he's not. I'm sure Craig will probably just take his case to some other country that will have him but I'm hoping his financial backers will now just pull the plug which should put an end to Craig's legal shenanigans, but hopefully he ends up in prison where he can't do any more damage to the bitcoin community.

[DaveF]

Good news.
Won't really stop people from falling for the BSV thing, but still helps those who were / are fighting against it.

Also, should allow a lot of people who were scammed or harassed or otherwise forced to deal with the CSW crap to get some measure of relief, possibly.... 

-Dave

[franky1]

Day 22

BREAKING NEWS

The judge made a shock preliminary announcement that "due to overwhelming" evidence Craig Wright is not is not the author of the whitepaper, not the creator of bitcoin, does not own any IP of bitcoin, and is not Satoshi Nakamoto.

I had to double check when he made the announcement as I was not expecting that until the end of the month. The judge also announced that we will have to wait 20 days for the full report and for the conclusion of the trial. Given this judgement that should surely indicate that Craig has lied throughout the trial and surely we should be seeing a prosecution for contempt and perjury.

glad to see he has been told officially by a court of law that he is not what he says he is

lets hope that this sparks some actions against him
minimum: 72hour hold in a mental ward
followed by: charged with perjury
followed by: charged with forgery

also by knowing he has lost i hope his sponsors run.. i hope his council decline servicing him any further..
and thus not allow CSW to even fund any type of appeal to delay actions of criminal justice against him

?? his council say its his human right to make such claims.. ?? (facepalm)

heck even dorian cant just take over IP rights of bitcoin, and his name was dorian satoshi nakamoto

i too can change my name to elon musk.. and thats my human right... but its not then my human right to cause fraud to proclaim myself as THE elon musk that owns spaceX and twitter and tesla.

so yea his council should be barred from standing in court ever again.. even they should know the basics of law that define naming yourself a random name of S.N. vs claiming to be a specific S.N entity that created something that a idiot is trying to steal..

I can kind of see their argument from some sort of namby-pamby liberal stance, but the whole point of this trial is to prove Craig is a fraudster and should not be allowed to continue his fraud or his vexatious litigation against innocent people. Without it Craig is free to lie and claim to be someone he's not. I'm sure Craig will probably just take his case to some other country that will have him but I'm hoping his financial backers will now just pull the plug which should put an end to Craig's legal shenanigans, but hopefully he ends up in prison where he can't do any more damage to the bitcoin community.

people have the right to have their own feelings, and perceptions of themselves..  but not push a lie onto others..
if someone wants to abuse liberal stance of things like pronouns onto others.. EG if a obvious male is standing infront of me trying to proclaim to be female. he better have chopped and inverted his penis and grew breasts and then legally had his name changed and gender changed on all his official forms of identity before coming out as female.. where by during the transition period they call themselves trans, not female
then fine. but to still have all male attributes and not even bothered to do anything to actually transition. then ill call HIM out as mentally impaired and deluded and not play into his delusion

[Lucius]

This is really good news for everyone except CW and its sponsors (followers) who do not respect the courts and laws anyway and I have no doubt that they will continue with their lies in another court in another country. I don't know what the legal consequences are for CW considering that the verdict will be negative for him, but I hope that the judge will give him a fair scrubbing in his final verdict👨‍⚖️

If the judge ever publishes his BTC address, I'll pay him a big beer, he definitely deserves it🍺

[franky1]

also.. i wonder if this verdict now quashes C0bra's need to follow the older court order to not show white paper on bitcoin.org..
i hope COPA ask the judge to render the c0bra vs CSW case null and void

[OgNasty]

Good news.
Won't really stop people from falling for the BSV thing, but still helps those who were / are fighting against it.

Also, should allow a lot of people who were scammed or harassed or otherwise forced to deal with the CSW crap to get some measure of relief, possibly.... 

-Dave

I think it could make a difference on the BSV chain too. Ultimately his goal was to convince people he was satoshi to get his community to let him unlock satoshi’s coins for himself. Now that he’s been proven to not be satoshi, I don’t think anyone will go along with his plan and use a chain reorganized to give him those coins. In other words, the jig is up. 

[franky1]

Good news.
Won't really stop people from falling for the BSV thing, but still helps those who were / are fighting against it.

I think it could make a difference on the BSV chain too. Ultimately his goal was to convince people he was satoshi to get his community to let him unlock satoshi’s coins for himself. Now that he’s been proven to not be satoshi, I don’t think anyone will go along with his plan and use a chain reorganized to give him those coins. In other words, the jig is up.  

i never even bothered to even look at BSV price ever, until today due to the court result

seems even their fan girls are reacting -10% at time of posting


sidenote:
bitcoin(btc) has a underlying mining support limit (based on 4cent electric+hardware cost(spread over 2 year life)@600exahash) of ~$25k
meaning bitcoin is market speculating at 3x of base value.. and rising


crapcoin(bsv) has a underlying mining support limit (based on 4cent electric+hardware cost@800petahash) of ~$32k
meaning crapcoin was market speculating this morning at at 4x of base value.. and dropping
i think their bubble is bursting


ok soo.. seems calvin ayres is still kissing CSW ass and staying obedient to BSV scam

To be clear.  Craig invented Bitcoin yesterday and he will still be the guy who invented Bitcoin tomorrow.  History does not change.  Bitcoin also does not change.  Also, Craig funded himself as he pointed out under oath.  This has no direct affect on me, I still invest in the best tech and for Enterprise blockchain this is still only BSV. Scaling matters.

seems people will never learn even when evidence is thrown at them about the scam and even when a judge slaps them in the face to wake them up

[shield132]

Day 22

BREAKING NEWS

The judge made a shock preliminary announcement that "due to overwhelming" evidence Craig Wright is not is not the author of the whitepaper, not the creator of bitcoin, does not own any IP of bitcoin, and is not Satoshi Nakamoto.

How many years, how many working hours, how much workforce and how many things were wasted just to receive a simply, easy and true answer officially - Craig Wright (Wrong) is not Satoshi Nakamoto. Was it really difficult to say that? He didn't have any proof, he was a total liar. People like him deserve punishment for this circus.

I had to double check when he made the announcement as I was not expecting that until the end of the month.

Out of nowhere, I visited cointelegraph.com to check if there was any interesting news about the recent bull run or what caused loss today and I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw that judge rules Craig Wright is not satoshi as the first and big news on the website.

Finally, can Cobra upload Bitcoin whitepaper for UK people? Or will he still be prohibited from it?

[franky1]

Finally, can Cobra upload Bitcoin whitepaper for UK people? Or will he still be prohibited from it?

not yet
though it was CSW that instigate the old case that defaulted as a CSW win due to c0bra not turning up to defend it..
its became a court judges demand(order) rather than a perceived owners demand/request

so its the courts that have to undo the order as the order comes from a judge, not CSW. its not as simple as CSW didnt have authority in the first place, its a case that its now proven he didnt so the court order should be withdrawn in-light of the new evidence that the previous case was done in error
...
if c0bra does put it up. he is not going to be waiting for CSW to get triggered to see if CSW creates a new court case to fight c0bra once again. instead its the judge will instantly see it as a breach of court order. which comes with penalties
..
ways to get it sorted is:
a. get judge mellor to undo the c0bra default verdict as part of this COPA v CSW case, whereby copa can make a request for any cases involving CSW previously to be undone

b. copa now start cases agaisnt CSW to undo old cases and get his (forged)patents revoked and many many past frauds fixed

[franky1]

the Dr bitcoin podcast had an update, celebrating on mic with a british cider
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVNca4UW9Og

added comedy
more stupidity in the BSV cult (from ayres after the judgement)

cool.  Now Craig is not Satoshi in law.  He is still the worlds formost expert in Enterprise Blockchain.

I know he is Satoshi...but that is moot.

I know more about Enterprise blockchain than all crypto wankers combined and I learnt it all from Craig. They can steal his legacy, but they can not steal his presence.

look Craigs invention will go on..this is only a problem for Craig and i feel for him.

[Kakmakr]

I know the final verdict has not been done yet, but I wonder if CW will be given the opportunity to take this on appeal to a higher court... and simply dragging this out for years?

Can someone with some legal knowledge sketch a possible roadmap for a case like this and what options could be followed?

My guess is, CW will go on until the money runs out..  and that might take years with the support he is getting.

[franky1]

CSW can request an appeal, but the appeal judge can look at the request and see if there is any actual real value evidence that can put into question the verdict, to be worth actually going to an appeal case to be seen in court..

appeals dont just happen where a request results in new court room drama, appeals can be denied if there is nothing worthy(no new compelling evidence)
especially with the forgeries, he would have to provide something really substantial, just to even get an appeal to go ahead before even getting into an appeals court

in short he has to show something compelling for it to move to a ongoing appeal case.
i feel he has drained all avenues and cant provide any real evidence worthy of an appeal

[blckhawk]

CSW can request an appeal, but the appeal judge can look at the request and see if there is any actual real value evidence that can put into question the verdict, to be worth actually going to an appeal case to be seen in court..

appeals dont just happen where a request results in new court room drama, appeals can be denied if there is nothing worthy(no new compelling evidence)
especially with the forgeries, he would have to provide something really substantial, just to even get an appeal to go ahead before even getting into an appeals court

in short he has to show something compelling for it to move to a ongoing appeal case.
i feel he has drained all avenues and cant provide any real evidence worthy of an appeal

The only reason that I can think of that a judge could allow the appeal is so they can do their friend a favor and get paid more with this easy trial or as you've mentioned a new compelling evidences but at this point, I don't think that even if CSW turned the whole world upside down, scouring the earth for a new evidence to prove that he's Satoshi, I don't think that that kind of evidence would show, I guess it's really hard to admit defeat when you're a charlatan and you're so deep in your lies that even being honest isn't going to set you free.

[FatFork]

Not that anyone in their right mind ever believed that CW was actually Satoshi, but this whole lawsuit saga has been such a drag, just sucking up time and money for no good reason.  Wright's got a long track record of fibbing about Bitcoin, so glad the judge saw the truth at least, even if Wright won't own up to his lies.

So yeah, hopefully were done with this sideshow.  No more pointless courtroom episodes.  Bitcoin has better things to do than deal with posers pretending to be Satoshi for attention.

[cryptosize]

I've been saying it for a long time that CSW is a narcissist.

Narcissism should be declared a crime:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_triad

[NotATether]

You must be joking !  I have restrained myself with great effort.  I thought of attending the court but I chose not to attend the court.  If I did attend the court then the whole fun would have come to an end abruptly and Craig  Wright could have blamed me because he has lost the case.  But somehow I did my best not to interfere directly but I might bring Craig Wright to High Court back again for something else. Once the water goes in his nose and if he wakes up and repents then I will forgive his sin and reward him with a great surprise of credentials of a great actor.

Ok, so now that it's clear to everyone age 7+ that you are just a troll (and also not Satoshi Nakamoto), I am going to put you on ignore.

Cheers!

[JayJuanGee]

I know the final verdict has not been done yet, but I wonder if CW will be given the opportunity to take this on appeal to a higher court... and simply dragging this out for years?

Can someone with some legal knowledge sketch a possible roadmap for a case like this and what options could be followed?

My guess is, CW will go on until the money runs out..  and that might take years with the support he is getting.

Even though CSW has not yet been convicted of fraud, it seems pretty crazy to continue to represent someone in which the evidence is more and more clear that various kind of frauds have been carried out.  Yeah, they likely want to milk various aspects of the businesses if there is anything left to salvage in terms of pattens or abilities to milk the BSV system to the extent that there are still suckers paying them by buying that crap.  There are a lot of outstanding cases that are either going to be directly or indirectly affected by this ruling.. the value of the patents are likely going to go down too.. to the extent any of the patents have any value.. my understanding is that a lot of the NChain patents are stupid, and they cost money to keep them active. and money to defend them, if they actually find cases in which they might be able to try to coerce innocent folks/businesses to pay them to license if there might be some overlapping arguable infringements (rather than just the appearance of infringement).

It surely would be nice for a criminal case to be started against CSW, even before the written judgement is issued, and of course, if no criminal case has yet been filed, it cannot be counted on to be coming - even though it is likely well overdue.

Not that anyone in their right mind ever believed that CW was actually Satoshi, but this whole lawsuit saga has been such a drag, just sucking up time and money for no good reason.  Wright's got a long track record of fibbing about Bitcoin, so glad the judge saw the truth at least, even if Wright won't own up to his lies.

So yeah, hopefully were done with this sideshow.  No more pointless courtroom episodes.  Bitcoin has better things to do than deal with posers pretending to be Satoshi for attention.

CSW's behavior likely stifled developer's open involvement in BTC, and yeah maybe there are some advantages in some of them going anonymous, yet I would think that some free speech and public participation has been stifled, and there seems to be value in some of the transparency and public exchange of information that likely had been negatively affected by CSW et als threats of legal suits.

[franky1]

adding on to the comedy tweets.. turns out calvin has left BSV and handed his twitter to BSV twits(twats and twonks)

Calvin Ayre
@CalvinAyre
Good bye everyone.  This is my last post before I take off on an adventure I have been planning for the last year. I have now handed this account over to a team that will work with the BSV Blockchain Association, London Blockchain conference and other organizations dedicated to educating on how Enterprise Blockchain brings together and completes AI, IoTs, Web 3 and other areas of Big Data.   I am proud of what I have done to save such an amazing piece of technology and look forward to watching it continue to grow.

other funny tweets
Tnguyen has been a CSW puppet since 2013 helping with CSw scams.. but says BSV has been true bitcoin from 2009
yet his twitter handle says

T Nguyen
@chithanh2013
Bitcoin SV since 2018

He has already advised Craig Wright to get ready to appeal.  Now the question is if whether the court and judges will accept his appeal or not.  I am not just journalist,  I two degrees in Law from best University.  What,  frank1 has said is correct and I would like to add something to it.  Craig is not Craizy but a very smart computer Hackers and computer security expert.  

CSW is not smart computer hacker and nor computer security expert.
he employs people to do the work and then takes credit for other peoples work
he used ghost writers to write all university stuff
he employed system admins to seek out business in his old scams of offering sys admin services
he cuts and runs when being asked to perform actual work and then blames those he employed when it goes wrong

he has the "street smarts" of being a con-artist, knowing how to use people. but when it comes to law/IT/workplace skills.. he is dumb

he does not understand computer code.. the unsigned integer is one example, the other is not knowing there difference between a database vs ledger, the third is thinking the format of a blockheader is a database

[NotATether]

adding on to the comedy tweets.. turns out calvin has left BSV and handed his twitter to BSV twits(twats and twonks)

Calvin Ayre
@CalvinAyre
Good bye everyone.  This is my last post before I take off on an adventure I have been planning for the last year. I have now handed this account over to a team that will work with the BSV Blockchain Association, London Blockchain conference and other organizations dedicated to educating on how Enterprise Blockchain brings together and completes AI, IoTs, Web 3 and other areas of Big Data.   I am proud of what I have done to save such an amazing piece of technology and look forward to watching it continue to grow.

Good. Now let's watch the entire BSV community implode and BSV going down by 90%.

[cryptosize]

adding on to the comedy tweets.. turns out calvin has left BSV and handed his twitter to BSV twits(twats and twonks)

Calvin Ayre
@CalvinAyre
Good bye everyone.  This is my last post before I take off on an adventure I have been planning for the last year. I have now handed this account over to a team that will work with the BSV Blockchain Association, London Blockchain conference and other organizations dedicated to educating on how Enterprise Blockchain brings together and completes AI, IoTs, Web 3 and other areas of Big Data.   I am proud of what I have done to save such an amazing piece of technology and look forward to watching it continue to grow.

Good. Now let's watch the entire BSV community implode and BSV going down by 90%.

https://www.ccn.com/bitcoin-price-will-crash-to-zero-says-bitcoin-cash-founder-calvin-ayre/

This didn't age well...

[franky1]

BSV market 26% loss since judge announcement
many people jumping ship.. but leaving in a ass kiss way to avoid CSW retribution

[nutildah]

adding on to the comedy tweets.. turns out calvin has left BSV and handed his twitter to BSV twits(twats and twonks)

Calvin Ayre
@CalvinAyre
Good bye everyone.  This is my last post before I take off on an adventure I have been planning for the last year. I have now handed this account over to a team that will work with the BSV Blockchain Association, London Blockchain conference and other organizations dedicated to educating on how Enterprise Blockchain brings together and completes AI, IoTs, Web 3 and other areas of Big Data.   I am proud of what I have done to save such an amazing piece of technology and look forward to watching it continue to grow.

Good. Now let's watch the entire BSV community implode and BSV going down by 90%.

Down 7% today, down 26% in the last week. That's a great start. I expect BSV to retrace back down into the $30s or $40s before the end of the month.

Good bye Calvin. Good riddance, you slimy pedo fuck. Thanks for fucking with my life to the point where it still affects my online reputation today. I hope you lost billions, and lose billions more.

There's a special place in hell for this type of man, if you can even call him that. Won't post any pics or additional commentary (most of us have seen them and know about it) -- but its how I know this man belongs in jail right now. With any luck he does the right thing and pulls a McAfee, to stop causing any more damage to humanity than he already has.

[franky1]

there is no need for a candidate for S.N
even you(bitcoinmoses/leezhamiliton) are not doing any benefit with your nonsense games either.. there is no need for it.

your wasting your time and our time .. these nonsense games are not required.
use your time to actually learn bitcoin instead of being a twit

as for the CSW quote of not going on mainstream news again.. its simple.. he doesnt get paid to be in the news. however being asked questions on the news is like him giving away his narrative/story for free but he promised his story to be documented and released to production/publishing companies at a cost to repaid the sponsors he scammed/partnered with.. so he said that to comfort his sponsors that his narrative/story had value which he hoped would entice a bidding war to get him to speak
so far no one wants to give him movie deals. which is a good thing. lets hope movie producers want to pay the COPA side for their side of the story
(rational/factual side)

CSW is only doing paid book/convention/speaking tours, for hustle money.. trying to stay famous/relevant but not for free
its all about the money for him.

you too have been noticed by many people of playing these same silly games of you pretending you have bad some involvement with the early adopters, you pretending to have had some involvement with early devs. you trying to fame yourself up and then saying you will write a book about things you know/people you know/things that you pretend to be
you are wasting your time

you will have more success learning bitcoin and using bitcoin.. not abusing it, using it. by this i mean investing in bitcoin and riding through the market cycles.. i dont mean fabricating social narratives to ride the fame train

[hilariousetc]

The Dr Bitcoin Podcast did an update for Part 6 which you can watch on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ieqSOUCaBM

They covered some of the things that have been going on since the trial ended. The judges written verdict should be available by Monday the 29th.

Another piece of Craig's fraudulence committed during the trail was recently discovered:






He really can't help himself.

[franky1]

lets all make a guess
CSW suddenly thinking about fashion.. hmm i guess he will probably want to sell custom printed shirts/hoodies as Merch for his fans to try to earn £7m

anyways
anyone know if he paid £1m (total £7m) to the courts by previous tuesday to avoid having his business accounts frozen.

[hilariousetc]

lets all make a guess
CSW suddenly thinking about fashion.. hmm i guess he will probably want to sell custom printed shirts/hoodies as Merch for his fans to try to earn £7m

Yeah, pretty bizarre topic to post some random shit about. How he thinks he's gonna get away with this stuff when there's an army of people trawling over everything he does looking for dirt is beyond me. He really is a fool.

anyways
anyone know if he paid £1m (total £7m) to the courts by previous tuesday to avoid having his business accounts frozen.

Yes he did. I believe he paid the 1 million and then Calvin Ayre bailed him out for the rest. Craig had his assets seized by the judge so he probably couldn't have paid it even if he had the money.

https://www.coindesk.com/policy/2024/03/29/uk-judge-freezes-craig-wright-assets-to-prevent-him-evading-court-costs/

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/bitcoin-high-court-london-b1151135.html

Mr Justice Mellor granted the order to the value of £1.089 million, meaning Dr Wright cannot sell or reduce the value of his financial assets up to that figure.

But the judge said that Dr Wright could pay the money to the court by 4pm on Tuesday, which would allow him to avoid sharing details of his assets.

Dr Wright did not attend court, with a further hearing scheduled for April 26.

It follows Copa taking out a similar order against the computer scientist on March 27 to the value of £6 million.

Dr Wright has since paid the sum, which will be held by the court, although Mr Justice Mellor said on Friday that it was “clear” that this money had come from a third party.

[franky1]

i beleive the first order for the £6m was paid by third party(mcgregor/mathews*) as it affected their business partnerships with CSW
*https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5490774.msg63940457#msg63940457 bottom right paragraph of the prelude snippet
involving the BVS businesses all wrapped up as a package owned by mathews/mcgregor

as for the second order for the £1m i havnt done any research this month on if thats another business as part of the CSW/mathews/mcgregor. or CSW/ayres or just CSW

i thought that ayres already departed and left his avatars and social media profiles with a BSV PR team to manage, where ayres previously suggested no longer funding CSW

so thats why i was asking about if the £1m (second order) got paid up. oh well we should hear more next week

(currently listening to the prt6 podcast to update self on april drama)