Updates from the COPA v Craig Wright trial

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Day 1

I've been watching the entirety of the Crypto Open Patient Alliance -v- Dr Craig Steven Wright trial down in London which started today and plan to watch as much of it as I possibly can. Decided to start a thread for daily updates and discussion. Not much has happened so far and just seems to be the opening statements. COPA briefly went through a handful of the forged documents including the LaTeX whitepaper and Craig's defence seemed to consist of just letting the court know about Craig's autism and previous suicide attempt due to the stress of trying and failing to prove he's Satoshi. I guess they know they're probably not going to win this so are going for the sympathy route or at least bracing themselves for inevitable failure and using Craig's autism as an excuse for the lies and forged documents.

Timeline:




For those not in the know: https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20240205-uk-trial-opens-into-bitcoin-inventor-claims

Wright, 53, says he is Satoshi Nakamoto, the pseudonym of bitcoin's creator and author of a white paper that introduced the cryptocurrency to the world in 2008.

Crypto Open Patent Alliance (COPA), a non-profit organisation set up to keep cryptocurrency technology free from patents, is suing Wright over his claims first made in 2016.

The trial at London's High Court, presided over by judge James Mellor, is expected to last until mid-March.

"Over a period of nearly 10 years... (Wright had) the strongest incentive to prove he is Satoshi Nakamoto -- but single handedly failed," said COPA lawyer Jonathan Hough in opening remarks.

Documents provided by Wright were not written in the same software code as the original 2008 white paper, according to Hough.

"COPA's case is, simply, that Dr Wright's claim to be Satoshi is a lie, founded on an elaborate false narrative and backed by forgery of documents on an industrial scale," the lawyer added in a written submission.

"As his false documents and inconsistencies have been exposed, he has resorted to further forgery and ever more implausible excuses."

COPA wants the High Court to rule that Wright -- who is expected to face questioning on Tuesday -- is not Satoshi.

The enigmatic programmer describes himself as "Creator of Bitcoin" on social media platform X.

"I conceived bitcoin, and I unveiled it to the world," he wrote last month in a posting on X, formerly known as Twitter.

Wright, who on his website describes himself also as a businessman, has been involved in a number of lawsuits brought by himself but this time around is being asked to defend himself.

COPA brings together heavyweights in the industry, including cryptocurrency platform Coinbase and Block, which specialises in digital payments.

It accuses Wright, nicknamed 'Faketoshi' by his detractors, of lying about his identity and of forging and manipulating documents presented to try and prove his claims.

The outcome of the case could determine that of another pitting Wright against 26 developers -- including Coinbase -- for allegedly infringing upon his intellectual property rights.

Or just watch the Dr Bitcoin podcast on COPA vs. Craig Wright: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2e0cAqs-0ng

If anyone has any questions feel free to ask.


Updates:

Day 2: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5484211.msg63623032#msg63623032
Day 3: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5484211.msg63630400#msg63630400
Day 4: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5484211.msg63633942#msg63633942
Day 5: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5484211.msg63639614#msg63639614
Day 6: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5484211.msg63652331#msg63652331
Day 7: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5484211.msg63659056#msg63659056
Days 8-11: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5484211.msg63688503#msg63688503
Day 12: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5484211.msg63693964#msg63693964
Day 13: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5484211.msg63698891#msg63698891
Day 14: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5484211.msg63707433#msg63707433
Day 15: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5484211.msg63709690#msg63709690
Day 16: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5484211.msg63723561#msg63723561
Day 17-18: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5484211.msg63739261#msg63739261
Day 19: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5484211.new#new

Dr Bitcoin Podcast updates:

Part 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2e0cAqs-0ng&t
Part 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VZE-oc8cEA
Part 3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYibVsBxid0
Part 4: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aproxaMcFL4
Part 5: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YS9_GQkMAic
Part 6: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ieqSOUCaBM

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[DaveF]

You might want to close/lock this and open another thread that's self moderated.

How are you watching this? Are you in the courtroom or is there a place that anyone can watch it online?

How many others are in the courtroom and how big is it? Just more for a reading of how many people care. A packed courtroom gives a different feel then one with just lawyers and a few other people in it.

-Dave

[Learn Bitcoin]

Craig's defence seemed to consist of just letting the court know about Craig's autism and previous suicide attempt due to the stress of trying and failing to prove he's Satoshi. I guess they know they're probably not going to win this so are going for the sympathy route or at least bracing themselves for inevitable failure and using Craig's autism as an excuse for the lies and forged documents.

That's what CSW and his lawyer could do at this moment because they know that they do not have any proof. I haven't watched anything and don't know where to check how CSW was lookin like. Bu his lawyer seems like helpless when he was using craig's autism and his suicidal attempts as an excuse. LOL.

Who know's what this person want? What would be his benefit if people accept his as satoshi as he do not have the access to anything (like old bitcoin on old addresses). Maybe he would be sucessfully able to scam people by start selling shitcoins?

[Cryptomultiplier]

You might want to close/lock this and open another thread that's self moderated.

How are you watching this? Are you in the courtroom or is there a place that anyone can watch it online?

How many others are in the courtroom and how big is it? Just more for a reading of how many people care. A packed courtroom gives a different feel then one with just lawyers and a few other people in it.

-Dave

I don't have to follow up on any live feed when email notifications in the form of newsletters about same court case between COPA vs Craige Wright is delivered to my inbox.
This case is very interesting  indeed:




https://coingeek.com/satoshi-trial-copa-v-wright-big-tech-desperate-fight-to-preserve-an-ugly-status-quo/

[bitmover]

Who know's what this person want? What would be his benefit if people accept his as satoshi as he do not have the access to anything (like old bitcoin on old addresses). Maybe he would be sucessfully able to scam people by start selling shitcoins?

He wants copyright rights. I.e. money, and to control bitcoin development and its infrastructure.

This is written in the text quoted by OP.

It accuses Wright, nicknamed 'Faketoshi' by his detractors, of lying about his identity and of forging and manipulating documents presented to try and prove his claims.

The outcome of the case could determine that of another pitting Wright against 26 developers -- including Coinbase -- for allegedly infringing upon his intellectual property rights.

[hilariousetc]

You might want to close/lock this and open another thread that's self moderated.

How are you watching this? Are you in the courtroom or is there a place that anyone can watch it online?

How many others are in the courtroom and how big is it? Just more for a reading of how many people care. A packed courtroom gives a different feel then one with just lawyers and a few other people in it.

-Dave

There's probably less than 50 people and the room isn't very big. It's not very exciting or a 'big' trial and doesn't seem to be getting much media attention, though the trial is trending on Twitter right now. You can request a private link to view the stream but it's not available publicly other than there. You can try here: https://www.judiciary.uk/judgments/crypto-open-patient-alliance-v-dr-craig-steven-wright-and-dr-wright-v-various/

Craig's defence seemed to consist of just letting the court know about Craig's autism and previous suicide attempt due to the stress of trying and failing to prove he's Satoshi. I guess they know they're probably not going to win this so are going for the sympathy route or at least bracing themselves for inevitable failure and using Craig's autism as an excuse for the lies and forged documents.

That's what CSW and his lawyer could do at this moment because they know that they do not have any proof. I haven't watched anything and don't know where to check how CSW was lookin like. Bu his lawyer seems like helpless when he was using craig's autism and his suicidal attempts as an excuse. LOL.

His lawyer seems clueless. Not even sure why his suicide attempt is relevant. It's entirely possible that he faked that too and until I see anything concrete I'm going to assume that's what happened or at least it was a half-assed attempt.

Who know's what this person want? What would be his benefit if people accept his as satoshi as he do not have the access to anything (like old bitcoin on old addresses). Maybe he would be sucessfully able to scam people by start selling shitcoins?

Well he's trying to use the courts to hijack bitcoin. He can't prove he's satoshi any other way so he's hoping he can con a court into naming him Satoshi based on some forged documents.

You might want to close/lock this and open another thread that's self moderated.

How are you watching this? Are you in the courtroom or is there a place that anyone can watch it online?

How many others are in the courtroom and how big is it? Just more for a reading of how many people care. A packed courtroom gives a different feel then one with just lawyers and a few other people in it.

-Dave

I don't have to follow up on any live feed when email notifications in the form of newsletters about same court case between COPA vs Craige Wright is delivered to my inbox.
This case is very interesting  indeed:

https://coingeek.com/satoshi-trial-copa-v-wright-big-tech-desperate-fight-to-preserve-an-ugly-status-quo/

Lol. Come on. CoinGeek is the BSV propaganda arm and you can't get anything unbiased out of them. Every time Craig loses a court case they somehow spin it into a win.

[Upgrade00]

There's probably less than 50 people and the room isn't very big. It's not very exciting or a 'big' trial and doesn't seem to be getting much media attention, though the trial is trending on Twitter right now.

It may be a positive that the trial is not trending. CSW wants all the attention he can get, doesn't matter whether it's positive or negative, as long as people are talking about him, he's achieving his goal.

Would be great to get a legal verdict which prohibits him from using the pseudonym Satoshi. He has had so many years to prove that they are the same person and has failed every time, I'm mildly surprised he's still relevant rough for a conversation now.

[aoluain]

We are getting down to business now with court case which will have implications going
forward.

Disproving Faketoshi's claims of being Satoshi should hold up strongly in this case
purely with the amount of forged documents against him and TBH it doesnt bode well
for him IMO if already their opening route is the Sympathy one.

Its really all stacked against him, we all know that, its getting the court to see it is the key.

[DooMAD]

You might want to close/lock this and open another thread that's self moderated.

I don't have to follow up on any live feed when email notifications in the form of newsletters about same court case between COPA vs Craige Wright is delivered to my inbox.
This case is very interesting  indeed:

*link to disreputable scumbag site removed*

Lol. Come on. CoinGeek is the BSV propaganda arm and you can't get anything unbiased out of them. Every time Craig loses a court case they somehow spin it into a win.

I think that's why DaveF suggested making it a self-moderated topic, heh.  Every time the truth is about to come out, someone links to Ayre's lie-machine in an attempt to distort things.



To all readers of this topic:  CoinGeek is trash.  No credibility.  No honesty.  Anyone who endorses that site should be viewed with suspicion.

[goldkingcoiner]

There's probably less than 50 people and the room isn't very big. It's not very exciting or a 'big' trial and doesn't seem to be getting much media attention, though the trial is trending on Twitter right now.

It may be a positive that the trial is not trending. CSW wants all the attention he can get, doesn't matter whether it's positive or negative, as long as people are talking about him, he's achieving his goal.

Would be great to get a legal verdict which prohibits him from using the pseudonym Satoshi. He has had so many years to prove that they are the same person and has failed every time, I'm mildly surprised he's still relevant rough for a conversation now.

I agree. I can see that there is absolutely no reason for this entire Satoshi thing other than feeding his ego. It's not like he can ever access those coins in the real Satoshi's wallet. At most, his end goal is to become more famous. And Craig Wright seems to not care whether he is famous or infamous, as long as people know him and talk about him. Obviously Faketoshi has issues with reality, which may or may not stem from mental illnesses. I am no psychologist but perhaps megalomania and narcissism?

[criptoevangelista]

They have already included autism and attempted suicide in the process, involving drama so that perhaps someone will believe this faker and liar that is Faketoshi. This guy is a joke, a joke in very bad taste to be honest.

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There's probably less than 50 people and the room isn't very big. It's not very exciting or a 'big' trial and doesn't seem to be getting much media attention, though the trial is trending on Twitter right now.

It may be a positive that the trial is not trending. CSW wants all the attention he can get, doesn't matter whether it's positive or negative, as long as people are talking about him, he's achieving his goal.

Would be great to get a legal verdict which prohibits him from using the pseudonym Satoshi. He has had so many years to prove that they are the same person and has failed every time, I'm mildly surprised he's still relevant rough for a conversation now.

Well that's what COPA have asked for but earlier today Craig's council asked that if they lose for that to be rejected under "human rights" grounds. Hopefully they don't grant that because otherwise this trial is mostly useless.

I agree. I can see that there is absolutely no reason for this entire Satoshi thing other than feeding his ego. It's not like he can ever access those coins in the real Satoshi's wallet. At most, his end goal is to become more famous. And Craig Wright seems to not care whether he is famous or infamous, as long as people know him and talk about him. Obviously Faketoshi has issues with reality, which may or may not stem from mental illnesses. I am no psychologist but perhaps megalomania and narcissism?

I don't know whether he's a fantasist or just a fraudster. Maybe both. He is quite clearly a charlatan and does seem to crave recognition and validation through things he quite clearly hasn't achieved but maybe his motives are purely financial, but I suspect it's both financial and for the kudos to bolster his own ego. Not only did he obviously not create bitcoin but he's also been caught plagiarising content for his degrees.

https://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2020/05/11/craig-wrights-doctoral-thesis-being-investigated-for-plagiaris

I don't know whether he fakes his qualifications and employment history merely for validation or just to help further his frauds of which there are many. My only hope is that he ends up in jail because I doubt he will stop otherwise. Hopefully this court holds him in contempt for knowingly providing fraudulent evidence.

[Upgrade00]

I agree. I can see that there is absolutely no reason for this entire Satoshi thing other than feeding his ego. It's not like he can ever access those coins in the real Satoshi's wallet. At most, his end goal is to become more famous

His intention could be to promote his crap coin and reduce the authenticity of bitcoin, which would also do the help of promoting his crap coin.

Well that's what COPA have asked for but earlier today Craig's council asked that if they lose for that to be rejected under "human rights" grounds. Hopefully they don't grant that because otherwise this trial is mostly useless.

I do hope they throw out that request.

[franky1]

I agree. I can see that there is absolutely no reason for this entire Satoshi thing other than feeding his ego. It's not like he can ever access those coins in the real Satoshi's wallet. At most, his end goal is to become more famous

His intention could be to promote his crap coin and reduce the authenticity of bitcoin, which would also do the help of promoting his crap coin.

his intention is simple.. win or lose he can sell his life story to media about either a hero story or villain story. to him its good drama either way worthy of a box office movie... well thats what he promised his investors like ayres

[LeezHamilton]

He is very smart. playing a big drama.

Who knows, what is his real intention ?  May be he just want to get attention and fame. May be he just want to make money out of this saga.  He knows, what he is doing.  I read news report about the opening of the case.  His barrister clearly stated that if there is some one else who is the real Satoshi Nakamoto then why he is not claiming ?

It is time  for the COPA members to produce the real Satoshi Nakamoto.  As his barrister has stated, no body is claiming except CSW.  It that correct ?  The rea Satoshi is out there and reading the news and laughing.  Any one can claim to be Satoshi Nakamoto and claim he or she has written the Bitcoin White Paper.  Suppose Dorian Nakamoto come forward and admit that he is the man who is behind the Bitcoin and Blockchain.  What can happen ?  Will the Bitcoin community accept it ?  May be or may be not but the truth is the real Satoshi Nakamoto knows what is going on and on over the last decade.

Why the real Satoshi Nakamoto need to come forward in public to claim that it he who is the inventor of Bitcoin ?

According to the Bitcoin Protocol Private Key is the proof of evidence of ownership of Bitcoin. Why this gentleman suing anyone who des not believe that he is Satoshi Nakamoto ?  What is his intention ?  If he is the inventor then he has lots of Bitcoin.  So why he has to make so much story , hey guys , it is me, I am Dr Craig Steven Wright.  I invented the Bitcoin.  Why did he then published the bloody Bitcoin White Paper under a Japanese pseudonym ?   I am an economic  journalist by profession.  I will be happy to interview him with 1000 questions and dig out the truth. 

[franky1]

I am an economic  journalist by profession.  I will be happy to interview him with 1000 questions and dig out the truth.  

he is not very smart, he is just conniving enough to know how to scam people and use the scams as drama to scam others in a snowball effect

if you were to interview him you will just get 1000 bull crap answers that play into his drama.. wasting your time
unless you have a hammer in one hand and his fingers viced in another hand you wont get any good answers out of him
so dont waste your time our anyone elses.

[DapanasFruit]

...and Craig's defence seemed to consist of just letting the court know about Craig's autism and previous suicide attempt due to the stress of trying and failing to prove he's Satoshi. I guess they know they're probably not going to win this so are going for the sympathy route or at least bracing themselves for inevitable failure and using Craig's autism as an excuse for the lies and forged documents.

I am not following this case as I don't have the time for anything related to Craig Wrong...I mean Wright but his saga is really interesting and even angered many people who are the supporters and enthusiasts of Bitcoin. Right from the very start the man is obviously fake and I am even wondering why the media is letting the man play his claims to the roof. Now, am not against anybody's autism and we should be kind to people who are autistic though in the case of Craig I think it is quite funny that his defense his using his condition - that is assuming this is not just another lie - to his advantage. I am sure the court would be ruling eventually against him and COPA will win the case.

[Lucius]

Faketoshi will not give up as long as he lives because he has convinced himself that what he claims is the truth. Even in the event that the court, based on the evidence, undoubtedly decides that he is lying, I have no doubt that Faketoshi and his sponsors will find another country and some new court in front of which they will again try to present their lies.

Considering his age, he still has a relatively long time ahead of him, unless something bad happens to him, and considering that he has allegedly already tried to kill himself, maybe he will try again - although it is probably another in a series of lies, because cowards like him they don't have the courage for such a thing.

I would recommend him to move to Colombia, because there they recognize him as Satoshi Nakamoto, but everything can be bought there, including a false identity.

[tbct_mt2]

Faketoshi will not give up as long as he lives because he has convinced himself that what he claims is the truth. Even in the event that the court, based on the evidence, undoubtedly decides that he is lying, I have no doubt that Faketoshi and his sponsors will find another country and some new court in front of which they will again try to present their lies.

Considering his age, he still has a relatively long time ahead of him, unless something bad happens to him, and considering that he has allegedly already tried to kill himself, maybe he will try again - although it is probably another in a series of lies, because cowards like him they don't have the courage for such a thing.

I would recommend him to move to Colombia, because there they recognize him as Satoshi Nakamoto, but everything can be bought there, including a false identity.

I can not understand why the Faketoshi man needs to go seriously like this. If he has Bitcoins from which he claimed Bitcoin Cash then Bitcoin SV, he can simply enjoy his life.

Going to court and facing with many controversial discussions and even negative responses from community, I don't see it will make his life more comfortable and better in anyway.

Does he want to get a stroke and similar by doing such non-sense but stressful efforts?
I wish him best health but possibly with stress, anything with health can happen.

Years ago, I read an analytical article on how the Faketoshi lied with his laptop. Shame!

[hilariousetc]

Day 2.

Craig has finally been sworn in this morning and is now being cross-examined. Several forgeries have been presented to him already and he usually just has some BS excuse to try explain them away. One of the highlights was a forged document where it was clear the date was altered as it was in a different font. His excuse was maybe the printer that printed it out was misaligned and hence why the date is a bit wonky  . Funny how it was only the date that was effected. The judge has barred Craig providing any further 'new' evidence stating his history of providing forgeries, so that's a plus. Craig is very confident in his excuses and I hope COPAs defence push him a little more on these as it's 50/50 when they do, but I guess that's where the con in conman stems from.

They've adjourned for lunch now and the trial will resume shortly at 2pm GMT.

Well that's what COPA have asked for but earlier today Craig's council asked that if they lose for that to be rejected under "human rights" grounds. Hopefully they don't grant that because otherwise this trial is mostly useless.

I do hope they throw out that request.

Well I hope so too. Otherwise the trial is useless and he is free to continue his fraud.

He is very smart. playing a big drama.

Who knows, what is his real intention ?  May be he just want to get attention and fame. May be he just want to make money out of this saga.  He knows, what he is doing.  I read news report about the opening of the case.  His barrister clearly stated that if there is some one else who is the real Satoshi Nakamoto then why he is not claiming ?

It is time  for the COPA members to produce the real Satoshi Nakamoto.  As his barrister has stated, no body is claiming except CSW.  It that correct ?  The rea Satoshi is out there and reading the news and laughing.  Any one can claim to be Satoshi Nakamoto and claim he or she has written the Bitcoin White Paper.  Suppose Dorian Nakamoto come forward and admit that he is the man who is behind the Bitcoin and Blockchain.  What can happen ?  Will the Bitcoin community accept it ?  May be or may be not but the truth is the real Satoshi Nakamoto knows what is going on and on over the last decade.

Why the real Satoshi Nakamoto need to come forward in public to claim that it he who is the inventor of Bitcoin ?

According to the Bitcoin Protocol Private Key is the proof of evidence of ownership of Bitcoin. Why this gentleman suing anyone who des not believe that he is Satoshi Nakamoto ?  What is his intention ?  If he is the inventor then he has lots of Bitcoin.  So why he has to make so much story , hey guys , it is me, I am Dr Craig Steven Wright.  I invented the Bitcoin.  Why did he then published the bloody Bitcoin White Paper under a Japanese pseudonym ?   I am an economic  journalist by profession.  I will be happy to interview him with 1000 questions and dig out the truth.  

His intention is clear: For the courts to pronounce him as Satoshi and heir to his fortune. It is correct that one of his defence's opening arguments was COPA have provided no alternatives to Satoshi and why hasn't Satoshi already come forward, so he must be Satoshi, or at least he is the most likely candidate, like that's a viable excuse. Stuff like that shouldn't even be allowed in court. Nobody has provided any evidence of being god, so maybe Craig is god too.

...and Craig's defence seemed to consist of just letting the court know about Craig's autism and previous suicide attempt due to the stress of trying and failing to prove he's Satoshi. I guess they know they're probably not going to win this so are going for the sympathy route or at least bracing themselves for inevitable failure and using Craig's autism as an excuse for the lies and forged documents.

I am not following this case as I don't have the time for anything related to Craig Wrong...I mean Wright but his saga is really interesting and even angered many people who are the supporters and enthusiasts of Bitcoin. Right from the very start the man is obviously fake and I am even wondering why the media is letting the man play his claims to the roof. Now, am not against anybody's autism and we should be kind to people who are autistic though in the case of Craig I think it is quite funny that his defence his using his condition - that is assuming this is not just another lie - to his advantage. I am sure the court would be ruling eventually against him and COPA will win the case.

Maybe it's a case of the boy who cried wolf but I don't really believe Craig is autistic, or is certainly using it to his advantage. Craig was known to be shopping around for a doctor to give him such a diagnosis and you'll be able to find one to do so. It's not like it isn't hard to fake or feign such a condition either, as with any mental disorder. It's similar to criminals who try get a diagnosis of insanity or other such mental illness to either garner sympathy or explain away their behaviour. Craig has basically got himself a get out of court free pass which allows him to just have a break whenever he wants by feigning a hissy fit or just claiming 'muh autism' if he can't handle the heat. Shame he's resorted to this but what can you do? There's no depths too low that he won't stoop to to further his fraud.

I can not understand why the Faketoshi man needs to go seriously like this. If he has Bitcoins from which he claimed Bitcoin Cash then Bitcoin SV, he can simply enjoy his life.

Going to court and facing with many controversial discussions and even negative responses from community, I don't see it will make his life more comfortable and better in anyway.

Does he want to get a stroke and similar by doing such non-sense but stressful efforts?
I wish him best health but possibly with stress, anything with health can happen.

Years ago, I read an analytical article on how the Faketoshi lied with his laptop. Shame!

He probably has very little ultimately, hence why he's trying to hijack bitcoin to try claim Satoshi's fortune. He can't provide anything concrete so he just has to rely on forgeries and other such nonsense hoping he can just con a court into 'legally' pronouncing him as Satoshi, or at the very least sew enough doubt for the verdict to be inconclusive, which he will obviously spin into a win.

The trail has now resumed. I will provide another update this evening.