Devin Haney vs Ryan Garcia on April 20

[Questat]

Half of the topic we were discussing the pre fight drama and chances of one guy to beat another, other half of the topic we are discussing post fight drama about Ryan being unclean. When in the end, everyone will remember how Ryan sent Haney on his butt with his left punch. When will Haney stop crying and accept his defeat? Who cares if Garcia missed weight and wasnt clean, Haney is a professional and prodigy boxer, not just an amateur. If Haney is really that good, he should beat two Garcias at once, one handed with eyes closed. But in the end Garcia outstriked him and knocked down three times.

They might put a asterisk on that kind of victory though, just like when Margarito was caught with plaster of paris in this fight fight with Cotto. And during that first fight, we all mock Miguel for taking a knee and can't even hurt Antonio.

But when he was caught in the next fight against Shane Mosley, it was a different Margarito and then Cotto takes a revenge win. So there is this argument as well against Ryan, but the Ostarine issue will be very different unless they have a rematch and see if he is clean and not over the weight limit, he can still beat this version of Devin Haney. And maybe it will break that stigma against him.

Ryan should be punished accordingly once everything is clear. However, I agree with you that Haney should give Ryan a rematch, as it's very important for Haney to restore his reputation. If Ryan still wins after all the tests before the fight, it would prove that Ryan is the better fighter, but he should not be exempt from the punishment for his violation on the first fight.

[inthelongrun]

They might put a asterisk on that kind of victory though, just like when Margarito was caught with plaster of paris in this fight fight with Cotto. And during that first fight, we all mock Miguel for taking a knee and can't even hurt Antonio.

But when he was caught in the next fight against Shane Mosley, it was a different Margarito and then Cotto takes a revenge win. So there is this argument as well against Ryan, but the Ostarine issue will be very different unless they have a rematch and see if he is clean and not over the weight limit, he can still beat this version of Devin Haney. And maybe it will break that stigma against him.

Mate, I believe Margo was only caught in the dressing room prior to his fight with Shane Mosley. When the news scattered all over the world Miguel Cotto was one of the fighters that was mad. Cotto believed that Margo cheated on him as well but just not got caught. Cotto's first defeat was from Margo and that was in brutal fashion. Because of that, Cotto wanted to rematch Margo because he believed he wins when they're fighting fair and square.

With regards to Garcia-Haney. Is it true that Haney sh*t on his pants during the fight?

[TopTort777]

With regards to Garcia-Haney. Is it true that Haney sh*t on his pants during the fight?

We can say that With all respect to Haney, if he really thinks he is so greatest, he needs to prove that in the ring, not outside of it and after the fight. If he really thinks he is the best and he was cheated or robbed, achieve a rematch, beat Garcia. And there would no more question about weight, prohibited substances, bad judging and etc. Knock out your opponent and put an end in that competition. But what Haney is doing right now - trying to get rid from that 1 in his loss record and replace it with no-contest.

[Baofeng]

With regards to Garcia-Haney. Is it true that Haney sh*t on his pants during the fight?

We can say that With all respect to Haney, if he really thinks he is so greatest, he needs to prove that in the ring, not outside of it and after the fight. If he really thinks he is the best and he was cheated or robbed, achieve a rematch, beat Garcia. And there would no more question about weight, prohibited substances, bad judging and etc. Knock out your opponent and put an end in that competition. But what Haney is doing right now - trying to get rid from that 1 in his loss record and replace it with no-contest.

Lol, I haven't heard of that story, but if it is true then we really don't know. I do agree, after everything is said and done, he should rematch Ryan Garcia for a bigger money and then have the doping commission on top of it before and after the fight and see if Ryan did take performance enhancing drug.

But now it seems that Devin is quiet and only his father is facing and posting in the social media.

Let's wait for the word from WBC, it will be suspension only if they see that Ryan is guilty.

[Kemarit]

They might put a asterisk on that kind of victory though, just like when Margarito was caught with plaster of paris in this fight fight with Cotto. And during that first fight, we all mock Miguel for taking a knee and can't even hurt Antonio.

But when he was caught in the next fight against Shane Mosley, it was a different Margarito and then Cotto takes a revenge win. So there is this argument as well against Ryan, but the Ostarine issue will be very different unless they have a rematch and see if he is clean and not over the weight limit, he can still beat this version of Devin Haney. And maybe it will break that stigma against him.

Mate, I believe Margo was only caught in the dressing room prior to his fight with Shane Mosley. When the news scattered all over the world Miguel Cotto was one of the fighters that was mad. Cotto believed that Margo cheated on him as well but just not got caught. Cotto's first defeat was from Margo and that was in brutal fashion. Because of that, Cotto wanted to rematch Margo because he believed he wins when they're fighting fair and square.

That was the speculation that he had this plaster of paris already with the Cotto fight and was not caught and you can see that Cotto's face was busted. And I haven't seen anyone did that to him. And him and his trainer was ban for a year.

With regards to Garcia-Haney. Is it true that Haney sh*t on his pants during the fight?

You mean this image?



https://x.com/RyanGarcia/status/1796424211415945245

Not sure maybe it's just sweat or something, or maybe the chair that he sit was already wet with water and so when he goes and sit at the break, there will be wet stains in his shorts.

[Yaunfitda]

^^ Obviously that post is from a Ryan Garcia fans, regardless though, boxers have prepared themselves before a fight and could be just taking light meals or snacks or just water only so that they can avoid this kind of "mistakes".

And if he s**t on this pants then it will be over his shorts, but it is not, it seems water to me, to be honest. They are just making this noises maybe to take away the bad media that Ryan is getting since it looks like he was really using Peds during his fight with Haney as the supplement company already says that they do not include Ostarine.

[bbc.reporter]

I predict that the next storyline will be Ryan and his team will declare that there is a conspiracy against him and they will blame the corruptness of the people behind the sport of boxing. However, it would also not be very shocking if this was the truth because, yes, the corruptness of the people behind the sport of boxing heehhehe.

@Kemarit. Clearly that is not brown stains that went out from his anus. However, if this is true then Devin Haney should wear dark brown boxing shorts for their rematch hehe.

[TravelMug]

I predict that the next storyline will be Ryan and his team will declare that there is a conspiracy against him and they will blame the corruptness of the people behind the sport of boxing. However, it would also not be very shocking if this was the truth because, yes, the corruptness of the people behind the sport of boxing heehhehe.

I think that's what they wanted to portray already, that everyone in the boxing world is trying to conspire against them specially after shocking the world with that big win against Haney. Nevertheless, gonna be hard for them to defend as there are overwhelming evidence that Ryan might have taken that ban substance with or without him knowing. Or maybe someone really knew from the very start that he will take Ostarine, then go overweight in this fight, pay the fine. In short it was orchestrated by them to get the win and make a lot of money.

Corruption is already given, him and his family should know already. Him mum is a judge in the amateurs and his father has been his trainer. So their whole life involves boxing so for sure they've seen it.

[TopTort777]

With regards to Garcia-Haney. Is it true that Haney sh*t on his pants during the fight?

We can say that With all respect to Haney, if he really thinks he is so greatest, he needs to prove that in the ring, not outside of it and after the fight. If he really thinks he is the best and he was cheated or robbed, achieve a rematch, beat Garcia. And there would no more question about weight, prohibited substances, bad judging and etc. Knock out your opponent and put an end in that competition. But what Haney is doing right now - trying to get rid from that 1 in his loss record and replace it with no-contest.

Lol, I haven't heard of that story, but if it is true then we really don't know. I do agree, after everything is said and done, he should rematch Ryan Garcia for a bigger money and then have the doping commission on top of it before and after the fight and see if Ryan did take performance enhancing drug.

But now it seems that Devin is quiet and only his father is facing and posting in the social media.

Let's wait for the word from WBC, it will be suspension only if they see that Ryan is guilty.

Imho the best what Haney could do is to organize a rematch on any conditions. Not asking for more money, double-triple doping check, not crying that he Garcia won unfair and etc. But stay silent, focused and beat crap from Garcia via KO. It was Haney who has landed on the butt in the fight, not Garcia. So it is 1:0 in Garcia favour in any case.

We have such a popular quotation - "dont swing fists after the fight". What is done is done. Now turn the page and prove that everyone were wrong.

[Natalim]

Imho the best what Haney could do is to organize a rematch on any conditions. Not asking for more money, double-triple doping check, not crying that he Garcia won unfair and etc. But stay silent, focused and beat crap from Garcia via KO. It was Haney who has landed on the butt in the fight, not Garcia. So it is 1:0 in Garcia favour in any case.

We have such a popular quotation - "dont swing fists after the fight". What is done is done. Now turn the page and prove that everyone were wrong.

I like the suggestion that Haney should prove himself so people can see that he didn't really lose that fight if it was fair. A rematch will settle who truly is the better boxer between the two. If Haney wins, it will put to rest the debate about who is superior. Haney having one loss already looks bad, especially with all the complaints that suggest he can't accept defeat. He might have lost a lot, but he needs to be direct to the point. If he wants a rematch, he should organize it as soon as possible. I'm pretty sure Ryan is more than willing to give him another loss.

[target]

Imho the best what Haney could do is to organize a rematch on any conditions. Not asking for more money, double-triple doping check, not crying that he Garcia won unfair and etc. But stay silent, focused and beat crap from Garcia via KO. It was Haney who has landed on the butt in the fight, not Garcia. So it is 1:0 in Garcia favour in any case.

We have such a popular quotation - "dont swing fists after the fight". What is done is done. Now turn the page and prove that everyone were wrong.

I like the suggestion that Haney should prove himself so people can see that he didn't really lose that fight if it was fair. A rematch will settle who truly is the better boxer between the two. If Haney wins, it will put to rest the debate about who is superior. Haney having one loss already looks bad, especially with all the complaints that suggest he can't accept defeat. He might have lost a lot, but he needs to be direct to the point. If he wants a rematch, he should organize it as soon as possible. I'm pretty sure Ryan is more than willing to give him another loss.

Ryan is nowhere to be found in the ranking already.
He is suspended and if ever he returns in a real fight, he will demand the rules be in his term. Or it will just be exhibition fights like Jake Paul is doing.

Worse loss of Haney, he couldn't get over that he has to make sure Ryan gets punished for defeating him fairly.

[Japinat]

Worse loss of Haney, he couldn't get over that he has to make sure Ryan gets punished for defeating him fairly.

We can understand Haney because that's the only way he can justify his loss. Winning the case would nullify Ryan's victory and keep Haney's record undefeated. In fact, it would create a compelling narrative that his opponent had to cheat to beat him, so his camp's actions to protect his reputation are justified.

However, a rematch is still necessary to truly settle the matter. But Haney could always refuse, as he has a valid reason to do so.

[Kemarit]

Worse loss of Haney, he couldn't get over that he has to make sure Ryan gets punished for defeating him fairly.

We can understand Haney because that's the only way he can justify his loss. Winning the case would nullify Ryan's victory and keep Haney's record undefeated. In fact, it would create a compelling narrative that his opponent had to cheat to beat him, so his camp's actions to protect his reputation are justified.

However, a rematch is still necessary to truly settle the matter. But Haney could always refuse, as he has a valid reason to do so.

Yes, I do agree, regardless what has been thrown to Garcia, with or without the supposedly performance enhancing drug, Haney should rematch Ryan. But the fact that we haven't heard from Haney, it means that he doesn't want to go for another round with Garcia here.

Anyways, we will be waiting for the final verdict on Ryan Garcia. And if will be suspended by WBC or worst drop him from their rankings, so be it. He could be suspended for at least a year if really proven guilty without any doubt the he did used performance enhancing drug.

[cabron]

Ryan seems to have fall from grace after winning the fight against Haney.
He was arrested just today due to vandalism. Beverly Hills Hotel accused him of vandalism and the damage was estimated at $15,000.

https://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/40309457/ryan-garcia-arrested-alleged-damages-hotel-beverly-hills
It's reported he is intoxicated but normally, the hotel will just ask to pay for damages but looks like they call the police lol its going to make things worse.

[inthelongrun]

Ryan seems to have fall from grace after winning the fight against Haney.
He was arrested just today due to vandalism. Beverly Hills Hotel accused him of vandalism and the damage was estimated at $15,000.

https://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/40309457/ryan-garcia-arrested-alleged-damages-hotel-beverly-hills
It's reported he is intoxicated but normally, the hotel will just ask to pay for damages but looks like they call the police lol its going to make things worse.

And Ryan Garcia is loving this. $15,000 is just peanuts for him. Maybe he gained more followers on his social media accounts where he is already earning a lot regularly.

Ryan Garcia has turned on to become a bigger social media celebrity than his boxing career. Lately, he was posting about GBP and DAZN not yet paying him his dues. Oscar De La Hoya then released a statement saying he paid Ryan and Haney already but only partial since the PPV buys are expected not to be collected right away, it takes time. But Oscar did mentioned also telling Ryan and Haney to better check their contracts first.

[TopTort777]

Worse loss of Haney, he couldn't get over that he has to make sure Ryan gets punished for defeating him fairly.

How can it be worse, if this is the first Haney loss ? Like you saw other losses to claim that this is the worse one ? I would laugh if NY Athletic Commission would turn this fight as "Haney win by disqualification" in the end. A guy drop you on the butt three times, but you still win. If Haney would really get a clear record after that, I hope he wont be proud of that and never claim that he is undefeated. To make thing fair, this time Haney should have (or have not) taken something and Ryan to be as clean as possible

[Viscore]

Worse loss of Haney, he couldn't get over that he has to make sure Ryan gets punished for defeating him fairly.

How can it be worse, if this is the first Haney loss ? Like you saw other losses to claim that this is the worse one ? I would laugh if NY Athletic Commission would turn this fight as "Haney win by disqualification" in the end. A guy drop you on the butt three times, but you still win. If Haney would really get a clear record after that, I hope he wont be proud of that and never claim that he is undefeated. To make thing fair, this time Haney should have (or have not) taken something and Ryan to be as clean as possible

Probably worse because he thought Haney couldn't lose. But I have no question about Haney's decision to complain, and the current developments are favoring him. It seems Ryan really took illegal substances to gain a big edge in that fight. What Ryan did is null and void if he is proven guilty of what he is accused of, so he better accept the punishment if everything is proven. Most likely, it will be a suspension, which we fans of him don't want to see.

[TravelMug]

Worse loss of Haney, he couldn't get over that he has to make sure Ryan gets punished for defeating him fairly.

How can it be worse, if this is the first Haney loss ? Like you saw other losses to claim that this is the worse one ? I would laugh if NY Athletic Commission would turn this fight as "Haney win by disqualification" in the end. A guy drop you on the butt three times, but you still win. If Haney would really get a clear record after that, I hope he wont be proud of that and never claim that he is undefeated. To make thing fair, this time Haney should have (or have not) taken something and Ryan to be as clean as possible

This is Haney's first lost as a pro-boxer, so yeah, it could hurt his ego because Ryan took that 0 from him. Although as we have argued, NY Athletic Commission might turn this to just NC in his resume.

But the full brunt will still be on Ryan here, he is a rising superstar and the next big cash cow, but this can affect his career as when the Commission put down their verdict, it could be a year suspension for him although he can still live because he has so much money in this bank account.

[FinneysTrueVision]

Ryan seems to have fall from grace after winning the fight against Haney.
He was arrested just today due to vandalism. Beverly Hills Hotel accused him of vandalism and the damage was estimated at $15,000.

https://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/40309457/ryan-garcia-arrested-alleged-damages-hotel-beverly-hills
It's reported he is intoxicated but normally, the hotel will just ask to pay for damages but looks like they call the police lol its going to make things worse.

Ryan’s behavior outside the ring is an indication that it was not just an act when he was saying and doing crazy things. He is not mentally stable and should seek treatment. When you have the wealth that Ryan has, people are going to be intimidated about confronting him and trying to help him because he can cut them off financially and use his influence to make their lives unpleasant. Even his promoter is going to tolerate his actions because he is their biggest cash cow.

At some point Ryan might become a danger to himself and somebody is going to have to step in and intervene.

[Baofeng]

Ryan seems to have fall from grace after winning the fight against Haney.
He was arrested just today due to vandalism. Beverly Hills Hotel accused him of vandalism and the damage was estimated at $15,000.

https://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/40309457/ryan-garcia-arrested-alleged-damages-hotel-beverly-hills
It's reported he is intoxicated but normally, the hotel will just ask to pay for damages but looks like they call the police lol its going to make things worse.

Ryan’s behavior outside the ring is an indication that it was not just an act when he was saying and doing crazy things. He is not mentally stable and should seek treatment. When you have the wealth that Ryan has, people are going to be intimidated about confronting him and trying to help him because he can cut them off financially and use his influence to make their lives unpleasant. Even his promoter is going to tolerate his actions because he is their biggest cash cow.

At some point Ryan might become a danger to himself and somebody is going to have to step in and intervene.

And so his team has another battle in their hands here, but if it is about money, I think Ryan can pay for it,

“We are working diligently to provide Ryan with the resources he needs,” attorney Chavez said. “Our team is committed to ensuring that he receives the appropriate help and care to address both his immediate and long-term well-being.

“We ask for continued support and compassion as Ryan focuses on his family and his health at this time.”

https://www.boxingscene.com/ryan-garcias-legal-team-respond-his-arrest--184134

They mentioned about Ryan's mom and her deteriorating health, and it could be one factor that trigger Ryan to act this way again in public. But hopefully, he can get over this mental struggles that he is going on right now.