Potential Match Fixing involving Finnish teams FC Futura and Ilves-Kissat

[newfish1]

I am interested to know about your betting strategy, that you've keep tight in your pocket all this time, and that you claimed to be a proof of your innocence. Perhaps we can go with that? See if it put thing back in motion? Given this thread seemingly stuck on a point and didn't move in any direction.

Its in my pocket for a reason.

Seeing how Fairlay has turned many people against them (even the people they approached themselves to be mediators), I dont want it to happen to anybody else until we finalize the future mediation process.

I simply do not believe them at this point. We will run out of potential mediators, if I was to share my evidence too early 

When the mediation process will officially start, all cards will be on deck. Until then let there be doubt.

[Beparanf]

I simply do not believe them at this point. We will run out of potential mediators, if I was to share my evidence too early 

When the mediation process will officially start, all cards will be on deck. Until then let there be doubt.

I don’t get the point on this logic. Why do you need to make the evidence in sneak peek while you should win all the case in every mediator they will get. How come they will run out of mediator if you will provide evidence to establish solid conclusions about this case.

Are you planning to prolong this case? This kind of a little bit dodgy attitude might backfire to you soon. If you can win here then you will just need to copy paste all the info on other mediator that they will hire to look on your case unless you are not confident with your betting history record.

[newfish1]

I simply do not believe them at this point. We will run out of potential mediators, if I was to share my evidence too early 

When the mediation process will officially start, all cards will be on deck. Until then let there be doubt.

I don’t get the point on this logic. Why do you need to make the evidence in sneak peek while you should win all the case in every mediator they will get. How come they will run out of mediator if you will provide evidence to establish solid conclusions about this case.

Are you planning to prolong this case? This kind of a little bit dodgy attitude might backfire to you soon. If you can win here then you will just need to copy paste all the info on other mediator that they will hire to look on your case unless you are not confident with your betting history record.

Easy example

They wanted Gosu representative to be the mediator, they approached him.

But in the meantime I was explaining my side in this thread, Gosu representative efialtis voiced his opinions on the Fairlay's wrongdoings.

Fairlay backtracked and no longer wanted efialtis as the mediator.

There is no point for me to share everything against Fairlay until the mediation process is set up and ready to go. I am afraid they will say holydarkness is not good enough for them, even though they have already agreed.

[Beparanf]

I simply do not believe them at this point. We will run out of potential mediators, if I was to share my evidence too early 

When the mediation process will officially start, all cards will be on deck. Until then let there be doubt.

I don’t get the point on this logic. Why do you need to make the evidence in sneak peek while you should win all the case in every mediator they will get. How come they will run out of mediator if you will provide evidence to establish solid conclusions about this case.

Are you planning to prolong this case? This kind of a little bit dodgy attitude might backfire to you soon. If you can win here then you will just need to copy paste all the info on other mediator that they will hire to look on your case unless you are not confident with your betting history record.

Easy example

They wanted Gosu representative to be the mediator, they approached him.

But in the meantime I was explaining my side in this thread, Gosu representative efialtis voiced his opinions on the Fairlay's wrongdoings.

Fairlay backtracked and no longer wanted efialtis as the mediator.

There is no point for me to share everything against Fairlay until the mediation process is set up and ready to go. I am afraid they will say holydarkness is not good enough for them, even though they have already agreed.

But in the end, Fairlay is the one who will gonna pay you so whoever they hire they are still the one who will decide whether they will honor your profit or not regardless of the mediator result unless your balance is on escrow.

At least you have the forum support against fairlay so that they will not gonna promote here if you made a very solid evidence on your case. I know that you are trying to get your money back by providing facts that you are right but the problem is what if Fairlay doesn’t plan to pay you regardless of how solid your evidence is?

There’s same scenario here about coinplay.com which they confiscate user balance due to accusations of cheating which is not proven. Coinplay just abandoned the forum so that they can escape from the payment.

Source: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5446504.0

[AHOYBRAUSE]

But in the end, Fairlay is the one who will gonna pay you so whoever they hire they are still the one who will decide whether they will honor your profit or not regardless of the mediator result unless your balance is on escrow.

At least you have the forum support against fairlay so that they will not gonna promote here if you made a very solid evidence on your case. I know that you are trying to get your money back by providing facts that you are right but the problem is what if Fairlay doesn’t plan to pay you regardless of how solid your evidence is?

There’s same scenario here about coinplay.com which they confiscate user balance due to accusations of cheating which is not proven. Coinplay just abandoned the forum so that they can escape from the payment.

Source: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5446504.0

If they don't want to pay him anyway then it also makes no sense to play his cards now as well. It's much better for him to wait until a mediator is decided and fairlay agrees to actually respect the decision made no matter what.

Don't know why you want to convince this guy from anything different.

Fairlay won't come back here anyway, even if they pay, acting the way they are doing here is definitely bad for their reputation and people will remember this case. I always wanted to try fairlay but not I won't waste a second on that site.

[Upgrade00]

At least you have the forum support against fairlay so that they will not gonna promote here if you made a very solid evidence on your case.

The user already has the forum support without dropping any evidence. It isn't even up to the accused to prove innocence, it is up to the accuser (Fairlay) to show enough evidence to convince the community that this user indeed broke their rules and should have his funds locked.

I sincerely Fairlay will settle with any mediators for this case. They have backtracked too many times in the thread and don't look to be willing to make any sort of payments to the user wo has even suggested a compromise in the situation.

[Haunebu]

The user already has the forum support without dropping any evidence. It isn't even up to the accused to prove innocence, it is up to the accuser (Fairlay) to show enough evidence to convince the community that this user indeed broke their rules and should have his funds locked.

Incorrect! The pendulum is definitely swinging his way, but that doesn't mean he is completely in the clear which is why some members like me still find his activities shady based on the evidence Fairlay provided.

I sincerely Fairlay will settle with any mediators for this case. They have backtracked too many times in the thread and don't look to be willing to make any sort of payments to the user wo has even suggested a compromise in the situation.

True. They are dragging this case unnecessarily and messing up their reputation within this forum. They should have selected efialtis and holydarkness as arbitrators and proceeded sometime back.

[Upgrade00]

Incorrect! The pendulum is definitely swinging his way, but that doesn't mean he is completely in the clear which is why some members like me still find his activities shady based on the evidence Fairlay provided.

I wouldn't ask for the specifics about what exactly is shady cause everyone can form their opinion about a topic, but we can all agree that shady =/= Let's seize all funds on the account. You have to actually have some hard evidence to take such action.

True. They are dragging this case unnecessarily and messing up their reputation within this forum. They should have selected efialtis and holydarkness as arbitrators and proceeded sometime back.

I think one or both of those users were not too keen on it or at least not comfortable with having just one arbitrator as fairlay were suggesting.

[holydarkness]

Incorrect! The pendulum is definitely swinging his way, but that doesn't mean he is completely in the clear which is why some members like me still find his activities shady based on the evidence Fairlay provided.

I wouldn't ask for the specifics about what exactly is shady cause everyone can form their opinion about a topic, but we can all agree that shady =/= Let's seize all funds on the account. You have to actually have some hard evidence to take such action.

True. They are dragging this case unnecessarily and messing up their reputation within this forum. They should have selected efialtis and holydarkness as arbitrators and proceeded sometime back.

I think one or both of those users were not too keen on it or at least not comfortable with having just one arbitrator as fairlay were suggesting.

I actually would have to agree with Haunebu. The pendulum did swing toward newfish1, but the jury is still out [umm, pun intended] and everything is still not set in stone yet. I can easily see several scenario that can greatly put extra momentum to that pendulum, be it toward newfish1 or fairlay; one or two statements that can greatly put an impact.

This case has one too many loose ends that need to be tied, and both parties reluctance to be transparent clearly didn't help.

[Upgrade00]

I actually would have to agree with Haunebu. The pendulum did swing toward newfish1, but the jury is still out [umm, pun intended] and everything is still not set in stone yet.

We all seem to be saying the same thing in different ways. I didn't say anything was set in stone yet, just that one party has more support and sympathy than the other.

This case has one too many loose ends that need to be tied, and both parties reluctance to be transparent clearly didn't help.

I am not holding out much hope, but if Fairlay does return to this thread and arbitrators are decided on and get to work, we can then say one or the other are not being transparent.

[Beparanf]

But in the end, Fairlay is the one who will gonna pay you so whoever they hire they are still the one who will decide whether they will honor your profit or not regardless of the mediator result unless your balance is on escrow.

At least you have the forum support against fairlay so that they will not gonna promote here if you made a very solid evidence on your case. I know that you are trying to get your money back by providing facts that you are right but the problem is what if Fairlay doesn’t plan to pay you regardless of how solid your evidence is?

There’s same scenario here about coinplay.com which they confiscate user balance due to accusations of cheating which is not proven. Coinplay just abandoned the forum so that they can escape from the payment.

Source: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5446504.0

If they don't want to pay him anyway then it also makes no sense to play his cards now as well. It's much better for him to wait until a mediator is decided and fairlay agrees to actually respect the decision made no matter what.

Don't know why you want to convince this guy from anything different.

Fairlay won't come back here anyway, even if they pay, acting the way they are doing here is definitely bad for their reputation and people will remember this case. I always wanted to try fairlay but not I won't waste a second on that site.

To have a better closure on his case since it was initially brought up here so it’s better to complete his case by providing necessary evidence. I don’t see the point of hiding it here if he is confident that his evidence will surely give him 100 win on his case.

Does revealing the evidence here will cause less effect when he use it again on other mediator? I think the community wants to check it too. @Holydarkness requested it too.

[AHOYBRAUSE]

To have a better closure on his case since it was initially brought up here so it’s better to complete his case by providing necessary evidence. I don’t see the point of hiding it here if he is confident that his evidence will surely give him 100 win on his case.

Does revealing the evidence here will cause less effect when he use it again on other mediator? I think the community wants to check it too. @Holydarkness requested it too.

Problem is, the player doesn't need to prove anything since he is not the accuser. If anybody needs to show proof it's fairlay. They claim the game is fixed, even though no other site does. There are plenty of projects that supervise European football but no site/company flagged the game in question as far as I know.

They can't confiscate funds just because it's their opinion the game was fixed. Facts count, opinions don't matter.

Also they have nothing to say about this for days now, which is kinda strange, isn't it?

[un_rank]

To have a better closure on his case since it was initially brought up here so it’s better to complete his case by providing necessary evidence. I don’t see the point of hiding it here if he is confident that his evidence will surely give him 100 win on his case.

Only problem is a 100 win in this case in the court of public (bitcointalk) opinion does not guarantee that he will be paid. FairlaySupport has been offline for the past 3 days, if they remain inactive here for longer we will assume they have abandoned settling this case through this forum or at all and stuck to their first decision to withhold the funds.

I will be giving them a negative tag now till we get a reasonable response back.

- Jay -

[cryptofrka]

Added as well, I did not want to go this path because the player will probably not resolve his case now - at least not here.
Fairlay wasn't on BTT anyway, so they will probably just ignore the thread (and BTT) from now on.

I'll support a flag as well if @newfish1 raises it.

[newfish1]

I am ready to proceed with holydarkness as the mediator.

Fairlay has my funds in their possession, so there is nothing else I can do. When they confirm, we start the mediation process. I don't control the situation.

[FairlaySupport]

We have made an inquiry about the match-fixing allegations with a competent authority and an investigation was started. Funds will not be released, nor any further information shared until these investigations are completed. This is standard procedure and trumps any potential arbitration process.  Thank you for your help!

On another note about the reactions so far (and this will be probably the last statement on this forum about this):

We are very sorry to see, that reputable members of this community like efialtis and others immediately take side of some random (potentially criminal) guy over a business, that has a 10-year track record of serving all customers well and fairly. There must be a lot of scammers among the crypto bookmakers to make you react like this. 

It reminds us of the degen1 case. We were also accused of stealing (6-figures) from an honest gambler by various reputable parties in the space and everyone was certain, that the only right thing to do was to pay degen1 out immediately.  We were not allowed to speak about this case back then because investigations were ongoing, but it turned out, that degen1 was indeed a criminal, who stole large amounts of money from various parties. All funds were ultimately handed over to US authorities and were hopefully used to compensate his victims.   

You may always reach us via email.

[un_rank]

We are very sorry to see, that reputable members of this community like efialtis and others immediately take side of some random (potentially criminal) guy over a business, that has a 10-year track record of serving all customers well and fairly. There must be a lot of scammers among the crypto bookmakers to make you react like this. 

No one "immediately" took sides with anyone. Your conduct and actions from the beginning of the thread has been unprofessional and overall terrible, at best. Your message further shows the unprofessional-ism, expecting the "random" player to be treated as a potential criminal.

And now again you are backtracking after coming yourself to seek arbitration and will opt for some random competent authority, which you may be referring to that way cause they have showed sympathy towards your actions.

You never wanted arbitration, you wanted people to support and agree with your decision, go where you will get that validation.

- Jay -

[efialtis]

We are very sorry to see, that reputable members of this community like efialtis and others immediately take side of some random (potentially criminal) guy over a business, that has a 10-year track record of serving all customers well and fairly. There must be a lot of scammers among the crypto bookmakers to make you react like this.  

No one "immediately" took sides with anyone. Your conduct and actions from the beginning of the thread has been unprofessional and overall terrible, at best. Your message further shows the unprofessional-ism, expecting the "random" player to be treated as a potential criminal.

And now again you are backtracking after coming yourself to seek arbitration and will opt for some random competent authority, which you may be referring to that way cause they have showed sympathy towards your actions.

You never wanted arbitration, you wanted people to support and agree with your decision, go where you will get that validation.

- Jay -

Couldn`t agree more, I didn`t bother responding to that poor post. They have acted as unprofessional as it gets from various angles.

General "rant": I cannot repeat often enough how sad I am about the fact that online gamblers/bettors, especially in the crypto space (but not limited to) are easily kept hostage. It`s just crazy that as a player in an online casino, as soon as you win big, you will only be happy for a little while until you start worrying if you will actually get your winnings paid out...

[Haunebu]

We have made an inquiry about the match-fixing allegations with a competent authority and an investigation was started. Funds will not be released, nor any further information shared until these investigations are completed. This is standard procedure and trumps any potential arbitration process.  Thank you for your help!

If this was what you and your team was planning to do, why on earth did you talk about arbitrators within and outside the forum earlier? You backtracked yourself and proceeded to blame posters for questioning this stuff. Weird!

We are very sorry to see, that reputable members of this community like efialtis and others immediately take side of some random (potentially criminal) guy over a business, that has a 10-year track record of serving all customers well and fairly. There must be a lot of scammers among the crypto bookmakers to make you react like this. 

Not everyone are immediately supporting the punter like myself for example since the evidence that you provided definitely makes him look shady, but a transparent arbitration process should have been utilised to solve this issue.

[Woodie]

We have made an inquiry about the match-fixing allegations with a competent authority and an investigation was started. Funds will not be released, nor any further information shared until these investigations are completed. This is standard procedure and trumps any potential arbitration process.  Thank you for your help!

And why should you be the only ones in the betting world be feeling aggrieved to the point of declaring this game fixed?? Is it because of the players high winning rate that your alarm bells went off and declared the players games fixed ??

Tbh, I wouldn't be surprised if you are actually investigating the player and not that the game being fixed!!

And to simply all this, why didn't you ask other bookies around the forum to facilitate closure of this case because they too likely had this game on their books and would be the best advisors for this case..

Btw hope other players that lost this bet have the wager reopened awaiting your decision on this game!