School or Skills?

[milewilda]

If I own a company, and am suppose to employ someone into my company, then I will have to pick skills over education, because I know the person with the skills will be the one to offer me what I really want.

That is a definite thing and is needed by companies that need people with expertise in that field, and it is very helpful because they have experience in their work, I really agree about this because the company no longer needs to bother guiding them, that is the advantage that is obtained when to employ those who have expertise, unlike having an education they need to study it first before working in the company.

Being educated means you are trainable. A friend of mine who studies Biochemistry has been working in the bank for years now just because he's educated and hold a certificate. Although having one or two skills is good but without an education attached, you can hardly go far.

Yes, there's always that advantage on which just like on what you have said that you are trainable or someone who could easily adjust at the time that you would be having plans on trying out to shift in other career paths on which it is hard but if you are really that eager to learn then you would definitely be able to do such thing or be able to adapt. So it will really be that up to you on how you would be doing things accordingly and in speaking about into those employers that seek out whether educational attaintment or skills? Usually employers will really be coming after for degree holders because skills is something that could be learnt along the way. It would be that understandable that employers will really be that trying to look for those who do have that educational attainment and this is something which will really be that standard. Skills could really be eventually learnt up and this where they would really be basing up with. So it will really be that up to them on what would be their criteria for them to choose up because they are the ones will really be that hiring and they are really that the ones will be choosing up on the best candidate as possible.

[bangjoe]

If the school gives you specifically, why can't you just take it? It is just a mere thought, but it is true, in seeing education we need to see that many educational systems that actually do have a level of function, some are producing workers, some produce a leader and others, it may have to be considered, we can see why the rich send their children not to public education that is usually dedicated by the government and yes they know the standard is different for students who have the same system.

But if you really have to choose, then taking skills is the best choice because there you can survive with a long time compared to school but do not have any skills.

[SatoPrincess]

If the school gives you specifically, why can't you just take it? It is just a mere thought, but it is true, in seeing education we need to see that many educational systems that actually do have a level of function, some are producing workers, some produce a leader and others, it may have to be considered, we can see why the rich send their children not to public education that is usually dedicated by the government and yes they know the standard is different for students who have the same system.

But if you really have to choose, then taking skills is the best choice because there you can survive with a long time compared to school but do not have any skills.

I couldn’t get everything you’re saying, it seems English isn’t your first language. I agree with your last statement, having a skill is worth more than academic achievement/education. Academics favor the rich, they go to the best schools and socialize with other rich kids and build networks that will profit them in the future. While the middle class only end up with student loans that they can’t pay back.

[Dr.Bitcoin_Strange]

But if you really have to choose, then taking skills is the best choice because there you can survive with a long time compared to school but do not have any skills.

See, man, people need to identify their goal on time. Life is full of choices, that's true but one question you have to determine the answer on time is that, what do you want in life and how can you get it? If formal education is not a priority for you at the time and maybe it's skill that will give you your goals, then go for it first. It's not bad to be an academia, not bad to be a professional skilled person in any occupation, but ask yourself what you really want. I had the desire for formal education but not at the time I started it, I wanted to go into business earlier enough but my parents said, "formal education first" Above all, my happiness is that finally archived the degree and also my business running. Formal education and skill has its importants too but really depends on what the individuals want.

[SmartCharpa]

If the school gives you specifically, why can't you just take it? It is just a mere thought, but it is true, in seeing education we need to see that many educational systems that actually do have a level of function, some are producing workers, some produce a leader and others, it may have to be considered, we can see why the rich send their children not to public education that is usually dedicated by the government and yes they know the standard is different for students who have the same system.

But if you really have to choose, then taking skills is the best choice because there you can survive with a long time compared to school but do not have any skills.

Rich people always get what they want because they can afford it. Poor people cannot send their children to expensive schools for a better education because they are unable to afford it, so they go with what they have money for, which is why they send their children to government schools since they cannot pay a lot of money, as compared to wealthy people who can afford any school for their children to get a better education.

However, we must put skills first because there is no guarantee that we will be able to survive with education when we graduate from school. Of course, having skills allows you to survive for a longer period of time than getting a job after school because skills will last the rest of our lives.

[DYING_S0UL]

Without any doubt, skills come first imo...

Let me give a little clarification. I don't know about other places, but in my country, the job market is in a bad state! Getting a government job, a white collar job, a corporate or private job is like hitting the jackpot! Not only that, the job sector is heavily corrupted. People literally spend massive amounts bribing in order to get a job. Some may question whether I might be talking about less qualified individuals! But no! Even highly qualified candidates are struggling to land a job. The supply and demand ratio is just too imbalanced. For 10 positions, 10,000 people apply. This is the picture of my country's job market. So even with a good educational background, no one can guarantee whether you would succeed or not.

Coming back to the skills side, I personally prefer this. There might be a shortage of jobs here, but we have massive job opportunities outside our territorial borders if you have the skills. The younger generation is focusing more on gathering skills than going to school. Moreover, they have started freelancing in the online marketplace sector, dealing with many foreign clients at an early age. One doesn't need to go to a good educational institute or schools, he just need to have certain skills. So, you see the reason behind my answer? It could be different in other places where school/education is given more priority, but here, young folks don't believe in that. Personally, I think our education curriculum isn't up to standard and needs refinement.

[Dark.Look]

The question asked by OP can have many answers depending on where you live and what job you are trying to get
For example, talking about myself, I didn't even get the certificate after graduation since I didn't even have the time for it  
That's because I have enough skills, and I have more than 8 years of working experience for great companies, which can be much more helpful than studying in school. I usually suggest people to learn skill in the market instead of school.

We need both school and skill to appl fory a job. If a company require someone to have much skill posses, we must improve ourselves to have that skill that is needed by the company. But that will not important if you have relation in that company so you can pass all things without a problem. That is what happens in my country because fresh graduate have difficulty to apply a job because they are lack of experience. And without having a skill, they will not easy to compete with other people who want the same job.

You got the point. Then, you just graduated from college you can't expect a company to hire you or give you enough money because you still don't have enough skills to help their business, which can make you start as an intern.

[Byebyebtc]

By my assumptions, there are strong indications already that we are moving past an era where employers put educational qualifications at the fore front of their requirement for employment into certain positions, some employers now hold personal qualities such as skills possessed by the individual ahead of the school they went to and the degree they graduated with. First, I would like to ask, could this be a reflection of a failing educational system? My second question is that if you happen to be the employer here, which will you consider more, school or skills?

No matter how far you go in theoritical education, majority of jobs are done pratically. And i do think its a cause of failling educational system, majority of schools these days invest more on the theoritical aspect of education which will certialy make those that already have the skill as a result of skill acquisition surpass them pratically. And because of this reason some graduates still go ahead to further their education because the theoritical education is not enough. Although some schools are ready to offer pratical education but dont have enough equipments to get it done.
So individuals with the skill will be more considerd than that of educational qualifications. Imagin a person that has stayed in the neaighbourhood with a mechanic, people coming to fix cars every single time, they weld cars, spray cars, remove and uncouple engines, couple them back ETC and they give him a car to fix with a random problem and they also give a graduate a car with the same problem who do you think will be more faster and acurrate of course its the neaighbourhood guy.
And an organization that know what they want will certainlly choose people with more quality not more ceitificates.

[jvanname]

No matter how far you go in theoritical education, majority of jobs are done pratically. And i do think its a cause of failling educational system, majority of schools these days invest more on the theoritical aspect of education which will certialy make those that already have the skill as a result of skill acquisition surpass them pratically. And because of this reason some graduates still go ahead to further their education because the theoritical education is not enough. Although some schools are ready to offer pratical education but dont have enough equipments to get it done.
So individuals with the skill will be more considerd than that of educational qualifications. Imagin a person that has stayed in the neaighbourhood with a mechanic, people coming to fix cars every single time, they weld cars, spray cars, remove and uncouple engines, couple them back ETC and they give him a car to fix with a random problem and they also give a graduate a car with the same problem who do you think will be more faster and acurrate of course its the neaighbourhood guy.
And an organization that know what they want will certainlly choose people with more quality not more ceitificates.

Universities do not even teach the theory right. They are too busy promoting violence to do much of value. Universities first need to apologize for promoting violence before they can even teach theoretical aspects of anything. It is now better to stay home and learn on your own since you will not be harassed and threatened. Universities are horrible environments for anyone who values their own sanity and wellbeing.

Regards,

-Joseph Van Name Ph.D.

[tottong]

Formal education does not teach people a damn thing because universities promote violence and they fucking refuse to apologize for their horrendous actions. This means that the people who graduate from these institutions are both uneducated and stupid.

Regards,

-Joseph Van Name Ph.D.

This is confusing to me and may not be in accordance with the intended value of education, because education teaches someone to achieve perfection in knowledge and if there is one that happens outside the rules of education, we can probably call it an individual.
There is no education that promotes violence and this is wrong, if someone understands education well then they should be able to be well educated.

Education has a role to make someone smarter and there is no education that makes someone stupid.
Honestly I don't understand how you judge formal education because in the previous discussion we did not discuss this issue.

[jvanname]

This is confusing to me and may not be in accordance with the intended value of education, because education teaches someone to achieve perfection in knowledge and if there is one that happens outside the rules of education, we can probably call it an individual.
There is no education that promotes violence and this is wrong, if someone understands education well then they should be able to be well educated.

Education has a role to make someone smarter and there is no education that makes someone stupid.
Honestly I don't understand how you judge formal education because in the previous discussion we did not discuss this issue.

I judge formal education because I was a professor. Universities in practice promote violence because they are filled with fucking morons. They are extremely unprofessional. And until they acknowledge that there is a problem, they will remain unprofessional shithouses. So yes, when people go to universities and these universities fucking promote violence against me, they actually get stupider by getting a formal education. They are even too fucking stupid to realize how promoting violence is a bad thing that makes them look like the fucking idiots that they are.

Regards,

-Joseph Van Name Ph.D.

[wmaurik]

Rich people always get what they want because they can afford it. Poor people cannot send their children to expensive schools for a better education because they are unable to afford it, so they go with what they have money for, which is why they send their children to government schools since they cannot pay a lot of money, as compared to wealthy people who can afford any school for their children to get a better education.

However, we must put skills first because there is no guarantee that we will be able to survive with education when we graduate from school. Of course, having skills allows you to survive for a longer period of time than getting a job after school because skills will last the rest of our lives.

For rich people, of course, they will be able to easily get what they want including education, but during the process of carrying out education, it will depend greatly on each individual because it is possible that those who attend public schools will still be smart because they do the learning process very well and there are some children of rich people even though they have spent a lot of money on their education but do not go through the learning process properly so they fail in education.

It is true that there is no guarantee that those who have a good education will be able to easily get a job and with skills will be able to easily get a job, but of course it takes a process to become an expert in the skills you have and we must be patient in order to master the skills that give us income.

[Stella Mese]

For rich people, of course, they will be able to easily get what they want including education, but during the process of carrying out education, it will depend greatly on each individual because it is possible that those who attend public schools will still be smart because they do the learning process very well and there are some children of rich people even though they have spent a lot of money on their education but do not go through the learning process properly so they fail in education.

It is true that there is no guarantee that those who have a good education will be able to easily get a job and with skills will be able to easily get a job, but of course it takes a process to become an expert in the skills you have and we must be patient in order to master the skills that give us income.

it is true that with patience we can master skills, but that does not mean that education is put aside, in getting a job because there are many things that must be considered but if we focus on knowledge that is the most important, but education provides a basic role because we will understand how little or how much education we learn, but if we choose skills only limited to a few professions that we can depend on someone to judge it.

[Zanab247]

For rich people, of course, they will be able to easily get what they want including education, but during the process of carrying out education, it will depend greatly on each individual because it is possible that those who attend public schools will still be smart because they do the learning process very well and there are some children of rich people even though they have spent a lot of money on their education but do not go through the learning process properly so they fail in education.

It is true that there is no guarantee that those who have a good education will be able to easily get a job and with skills will be able to easily get a job, but of course it takes a process to become an expert in the skills you have and we must be patient in order to master the skills that give us income.

it is true that with patience we can master skills, but that does not mean that education is put aside, in getting a job because there are many things that must be considered but if we focus on knowledge that is the most important, but education provides a basic role because we will understand how little or how much education we learn, but if we choose skills only limited to a few professions that we can depend on someone to judge it.

Without learning the skill? No, you will be learning the skill to be patient to master with the skills to start producing good result that will make other people to know that you have such skills. That is why you see some people after graduated from school to study an engineer or other courses, they will look for some place to learn the skills or other skills that will make them not to depend on only one skill in the country.

If you choose skill in your organization, doesn't mean you don't value school because you want your organization to develop some quality products that will attract customers to know that the organization have standard workers that have potential skills.

[DaNNy001]

Both are equally important imo. A college degree is important because you can create a good network there. You’ll meet smart people there and learn lots of stuff from them which you can’t find on the internet.

Your skills is the real money maker that’s true but if you have a solid network of friends you’ll get many more job/business opportunities. You can’t reach everyone via internet.

Being a hackerrank/leetcode nerd isn’t always the most optimal path.

Both are needed you are right about that... they are both needed to work simultaneously... going to school helps you know how to network and interact with people.. it's useless to have skills without knowing how to communicate and make connections.. Having the degree can also come in handy, some people think that their degree is a waste forgetting that it can open some unexpected opportunities for them in the future. Well, I don't really blame people for losing hope, the government isn't really concerned about giving employment to graduates

[Kristiyana]

Both are equally important imo. A college degree is important because you can create a good network there. You’ll meet smart people there and learn lots of stuff from them which you can’t find on the internet.

Your skills is the real money maker that’s true but if you have a solid network of friends you’ll get many more job/business opportunities. You can’t reach everyone via internet.

Being a hackerrank/leetcode nerd isn’t always the most optimal path.

Both are needed you are right about that... they are both needed to work simultaneously... going to school helps you know how to network and interact with people.. it's useless to have skills without knowing how to communicate and make connections.. Having the degree can also come in handy, some people think that their degree is a waste forgetting that it can open some unexpected opportunities for them in the future. Well, I don't really blame people for losing hope, the government isn't really concerned about giving employment to graduates

Of course both are needed, but it depends on the one you Wish to acquire first. But to be honest I think skill should be the first thing that one need to think of acquiring before any other thing, because it will serve as a backup even when you're schooling and also when you're done with your studies. Because we may not be lucky to get employed immediately when we are done with our studies this is why is very good to have a skill so that even when you graduated from school you will still have a hope, and at same time hoping to get employed in any of this companies.

[jvanname]

Of course both are needed, but it depends on the one you Wish to acquire first. But to be honest I think skill should be the first thing that one need to think of acquiring before any other thing, because it will serve as a backup even when you're schooling and also when you're done with your studies. Because we may not be lucky to get employed immediately when we are done with our studies this is why is very good to have a skill so that even when you graduated from school you will still have a hope, and at same time hoping to get employed in any of this companies.

Apparently an education is not needed because universities are too busy promoting violence to give anyone a decent education. And as long as universities refuse to acknowledge wrongdoing, it is our responsibility to regard most people with degrees from universities (and the dropouts too) as violence promoting violence promoters.

Regards,

-Joseph Van Name Ph.D.

[DaNNy001]

If you study in top schools, I don't think you will be hard to find jobs because top schools are really competitive, it's like no garbage in, no garbage out. Mediocre students in top university might could become the top students in mediocre universities.

Technically people should have skills over a piece of paper.

But, HR are looking for the best candidates, if there are two persons with the same skills, one has bachelor degree while another one only graduate from high school, high likely HR will choose the first candidate.

That's why those schools are extremely expensive, how can the common or average man afford to go to such schools?.. I'm constantly bilwidered as to why the rich are the ones getting all the opportunities, if they are from a wealthy background why are chances not given to the bright scholars that are not financially boyant.. it's just like these oil companies in Nigeria, just like you said they only employ people that graduated from top universities but that doesn't make them better than people that attended substandard institutions, this is extremely cruel and unfair.

[Mate2237]

If you study in top schools, I don't think you will be hard to find jobs because top schools are really competitive, it's like no garbage in, no garbage out. Mediocre students in top university might could become the top students in mediocre universities.

Technically people should have skills over a piece of paper.

But, HR are looking for the best candidates, if there are two persons with the same skills, one has bachelor degree while another one only graduate from high school, high likely HR will choose the first candidate.

That's why those schools are extremely expensive, how can the common or average man afford to go to such schools?.. I'm constantly bilwidered as to why the rich are the ones getting all the opportunities, if they are from a wealthy background why are chances not given to the bright scholars that are not financially boyant.. it's just like these oil companies in Nigeria, just like you said they only employ people that graduated from top universities but that doesn't make them better than people that attended substandard institutions, this is extremely cruel and unfair.

This is the sad reality on ground that as an average citizen there is no hope for you no matter your qualifications and society that you find yourself this is the more reason that we need to liberate ourselves from being an average citizen by paying the price so that our unborn generations will grow up and be free from what we faced, the rice is getting richer and the poor is getting poorer because when it comes to the issue of employment it's now a matter of connection not qualifications anymore you have to be connected before you are going to get an opportunity

[Uhwuchukwu53]

Op though I stand to be corrected haven go through your question I will state in my opinion that skill first stand the first choice in every organization where foremen,skill or semi skills is required, skill is the primary things that covers a Wilder spread of what school or education do, organization has seen that many even with the school or education can't offer anything when compared to skill men besides society need result of what one can offer not just an academic work, any education or academic work that lack skill that seem to be practical part of the education may not have the required value in the society and may lack job when compare to a mere skill men who are in the same field.

Second the society policy where nepotism and favoritism is a game changer you as education may not have much role because you can be a first class holder without job while person with pass in the very field is employed and been promoted yearly, in such situations you can believe me that skill stand a better chance as self employed. In order way round many organization as a result of cutting down cost may not deem it necessary to go for educated people as the cost may be very expensive prefer skill worker if such who may charge less, having analyzed your question in many critical way discovered that skill stand better chance to strive in economy like ours.