School or Skills?

[Mate2237]

Looking at my own team, our best performers came from non-traditional backgrounds but brought specialized skills and proven track records. One guy never finished high school but built three successful DeFi protocols from scratch. Another has multiple degrees but couldn't adapt to changing market conditions. True life story.

School is not a guarantee of becoming successful so I don't know why people always expect those with certificate to be always good with other things or even in their places of work the fact is that it's not every thing that you learn in school so there are things that you develop inside of you on personal basis so the basis of success should not be base on school


Skills have their role to play in  life so school is not just enough try and get a skill even though you are a graduate because doing that is putting yourself in front and positioning yourself for opportunities that may come in the future because the fact is that there are no jobs even for the graduates to work

[Zadicar]

Looking at my own team, our best performers came from non-traditional backgrounds but brought specialized skills and proven track records. One guy never finished high school but built three successful DeFi protocols from scratch. Another has multiple degrees but couldn't adapt to changing market conditions. True life story.

School is not a guarantee of becoming successful so I don't know why people always expect those with certificate to be always good with other things or even in their places of work the fact is that it's not every thing that you learn in school so there are things that you develop inside of you on personal basis so the basis of success should not be base on school


Skills have their role to play in  life so school is not just enough try and get a skill even though you are a graduate because doing that is putting yourself in front and positioning yourself for opportunities that may come in the future because the fact is that there are no jobs even for the graduates to work

It was never been a guarantee and come to think that there are tons of those who graduated ended up on having no job or simply jobless after wards because it cant be catered out on providing jobs on each one of them. Come to think that in every year there's that number of those who graduated and the number keeps on piling up. Whenever you do finish up your studies then the primary target or things that you do is trying out to find or land a job and this is where you do make or sent out those applications on different companies. On the moment that these employers choosing up then fresh graduates do have that lesser chance on getting accepted in compared into those who had some past experiences on a certain job description on which it do really sucks and thats a total disadvantage.

There are employers that do accepts fresh graduates but still it wont be that easy to get in or get chosen because of high competition and thats why you should be that trying your best when it comes to the interview or evaluation because this is where it do depends whether you do get chosen or not. The primary target you do have is to land a job and even if you do have that zero knowledge but on the moment that you do able to get a job position then you do eventually learn afterwards. There are just that those employers who do prioritized to those who do have experience for the said job position or vacancy.

[Mate2237]

Looking at my own team, our best performers came from non-traditional backgrounds but brought specialized skills and proven track records. One guy never finished high school but built three successful DeFi protocols from scratch. Another has multiple degrees but couldn't adapt to changing market conditions. True life story.

School is not a guarantee of becoming successful so I don't know why people always expect those with certificate to be always good with other things or even in their places of work the fact is that it's not every thing that you learn in school so there are things that you develop inside of you on personal basis so the basis of success should not be base on school


Skills have their role to play in  life so school is not just enough try and get a skill even though you are a graduate because doing that is putting yourself in front and positioning yourself for opportunities that may come in the future because the fact is that there are no jobs even for the graduates to work

It was never been a guarantee and come to think that there are tons of those who graduated ended up on having no job or simply jobless after wards because it cant be catered out on providing jobs on each one of them. Come to think that in every year there's that number of those who graduated and the number keeps on piling up. Whenever you do finish up your studies then the primary target or things that you do is trying out to find or land a job and this is where you do make or sent out those applications on different companies. On the moment that these employers choosing up then fresh graduates do have that lesser chance on getting accepted in compared into those who had some past experiences on a certain job description on which it do really sucks and thats a total disadvantage.

There are employers that do accepts fresh graduates but still it wont be that easy to get in or get chosen because of high competition and thats why you should be that trying your best when it comes to the interview or evaluation because this is where it do depends whether you do get chosen or not. The primary target you do have is to land a job and even if you do have that zero knowledge but on the moment that you do able to get a job position then you do eventually learn afterwards. There are just that those employers who do prioritized to those who do have experience for the said job position or vacancy.

That's true because there are allot of challenges that fresh graduates have which has to do with experience companies usually want employers that has gathered a lot of experience over the years so when ever a young graduate applies for a job and is been interviewed they will ask them how many years of experience that they have so this is a major problems to alot of fresh graduates in the job market.



But when you have a skill of your own this problem of looking for jobs and not getting it due to no experience will be eliminated because while you are still trying to get a job in the market you can be making use of your skill that you have , infact I have not seen a graduate with a skill that is complaining of no job because he is something that is bringing in money to them

[Smartvirus]

We have no chance to think that universities are worthless or that universities know nothing. Because it is education that has made inhumans human and made this vile world beautiful, which comes from universities schools or colleges, again many people may blame education or schools, colleges and universities. one of the main reasons for this is that they could not utilize their knowledge or skills. So this can be an excuse.

Utilization of one’s skill isn’t something school gets to teach you, it’s something that you find a way to do. Schools might only teach you or introduce you to the various skill sets out there or that they offer, you learn it and find best means to apply it. You apply it in getting clients to platonic you in the products you sell or the services you render.  Education got us to the point we are in our world today, without it, we would still be struggling. Education is as vital as it’s projected.

[summonerrk]

We have no chance to think that universities are worthless or that universities know nothing. Because it is education that has made inhumans human and made this vile world beautiful, which comes from universities schools or colleges, again many people may blame education or schools, colleges and universities. one of the main reasons for this is that they could not utilize their knowledge or skills. So this can be an excuse.

Utilization of one’s skill isn’t something school gets to teach you, it’s something that you find a way to do. Schools might only teach you or introduce you to the various skill sets out there or that they offer, you learn it and find best means to apply it. You apply it in getting clients to platonic you in the products you sell or the services you render.  Education got us to the point we are in our world today, without it, we would still be struggling. Education is as vital as it’s projected.

Higher education gives not only knowledge, but also the ability to show oneself.
I understand that there are many people who do not have a higher education, and they are very good at living in the world that we have now due to their charisma of some innate skills, but nevertheless. It seems to me that such a path will not always be successful in the long term.
and let modern society people often think in stereotypes, but for example, if a person has a higher education, then you will agree, we can immediately conclude that he is a goal-oriented person who was able to start and finish not just simple education. And this speaks not only about his character but also about his education.

[Dzwaafu11]

First, I would like to ask, could this be a reflection of a failing educational system? My second question is that if you happen to be the employer here, which will you consider more, school or skills?

The truth is that both skills and education are very important because in some places where education fails, skills can take over. And the same thing with skills; however many places function now due to our certificates, jobs we apply for and some other part of our lives. We need education to survive, but some people are underrating school due to the large number of people who have graduated from school and are now jobless. Some people think education has already failed. They forget that without education you can’t even apply for jobs with only skills.

[jvanname]

Higher education gives not only knowledge, but also the ability to show oneself.
I understand that there are many people who do not have a higher education, and they are very good at living in the world that we have now due to their charisma of some innate skills, but nevertheless. It seems to me that such a path will not always be successful in the long term.
and let modern society people often think in stereotypes, but for example, if a person has a higher education, then you will agree, we can immediately conclude that he is a goal-oriented person who was able to start and finish not just simple education. And this speaks not only about his character but also about his education.

Universities fucking promote violence, so higher education is just a signal of pure stupidity.

Regards,

-Joseph Van Name Ph.D.

[Alone055]

School is not a guarantee of becoming successful so I don't know why people always expect those with certificate to be always good with other things or even in their places of work the fact is that it's not every thing that you learn in school so there are things that you develop inside of you on personal basis so the basis of success should not be base on school

Who says school can be the basis of one's success? School is to build your base, not to build the basis of your success. Those who don't go to school tend to know way less than those who attend school and focus on their studies. In arguments where we say that skills are more important than degrees, we shouldn't forget that initial education is important for everyone, even for thsoe who later decide to acquire different skills than what they studied for because you can only learn things easily if you have a good base, and to have a good base, you need to have basic education.

Skills have their role to play in  life so school is not just enough try and get a skill even though you are a graduate because doing that is putting yourself in front and positioning yourself for opportunities that may come in the future because the fact is that there are no jobs even for the graduates to work

Exactly, one can always acquire other skills even when they are done with their degrees and everything. These days, learning a skill barely takes a few months if you focus. So many people are learning digital skills online by just watching video lessons on YouTube and practicing on their computers, but imagine someone who doesn't even know how to operate a computer because they don't have basic education and understanding of such things. That's why, both are important.

[_BlackStar]

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Utilization of one’s skill isn’t something school gets to teach you, it’s something that you find a way to do. Schools might only teach you or introduce you to the various skill sets out there or that they offer, you learn it and find best means to apply it. You apply it in getting clients to platonic you in the products you sell or the services you render.  Education got us to the point we are in our world today, without it, we would still be struggling. Education is as vital as it’s projected.

Education obtained from school is generally theoretical - but skills will be obtained through direct practice. Skills will be better when honed continuously and this will be the foundation that allows someone to make money. Someone who is good at theory is not necessarily skilled - but someone who is skilled can beat the most theoretical in the workplace.

Someone who is skilled in various fields will probably not be hungry and miserable. He will get a job that makes money regardless of whether it is a permanent job or a side job. We have found many phenomena where someone who was not very good in the classroom has finally become a big boss in the business he developed. Even in the world of investment - many successful people are not those who are good at theory in school. I once read that story on the internet - it is a fact.

[GiftedMAN]

First, I would like to ask, could this be a reflection of a failing educational system? My second question is that if you happen to be the employer here, which will you consider more, school or skills?

The truth is that both skills and education are very important because in some places where education fails, skills can take over. And the same thing with skills; however many places function now due to our certificates, jobs we apply for and some other part of our lives. We need education to survive, but some people are underrating school due to the large number of people who have graduated from school and are now jobless. Some people think education has already failed. They forget that without education you can’t even apply for jobs with only skills.

Before now there used to be a popular saying that education is the key to success but nowadays education and skills work hand to hand because in the current economy having certificates you acquired from school may not give you your dream job but having a skill to back your educational qualification can help you to stand out and be accepted into some field while someone with a qualification only may not be accepted into the same field because of lack of skills.

Having good skills helps to reduce the rate of unemployment because many are still unemployed after going to school and getting different certificates I think people should think about combining school and skills since having both will be helpful in getting more employment opportunities when the offer comes.

[Smartvirus]

Education obtained from school is generally theoretical - but skills will be obtained through direct practice. Skills will be better when honed continuously and this will be the foundation that allows someone to make money. Someone who is good at theory is not necessarily skilled - but someone who is skilled can beat the most theoretical in the workplace.

Someone who is skilled in various fields will probably not be hungry and miserable. He will get a job that makes money regardless of whether it is a permanent job or a side job. We have found many phenomena where someone who was not very good in the classroom has finally become a big boss in the business he developed. Even in the world of investment - many successful people are not those who are good at theory in school. I once read that story on the internet - it is a fact.

Come on men, we aren’t discussing on either sides to this being hungry or not being able to get essential needs (food, clothing and shelter) to living.

Besides, classroom educations is usually expensive so, not everyone is going to go there. Not everyone have got what it takes to attain a formal education and that’s why we’ve got the informal. We’ve got systems and structures designed to reduce the cost of education.

Formal education and the informal education are both a vital aspect to our social structure. If you can’t get one, then you get the other rather than looking at one of them to be completely unnecessary or irrelevant. Mind you, educational curriculums aren’t just theories, a good number of them is designed to let you out for some practicals you know. Going through school, you get to do that, at least in my country. You get a year for industrial experience and you have your hands doing work in the labs.

[harapan]

By my assumptions, there are strong indications already that we are moving past an era where employers put educational qualifications at the fore front of their requirement for employment into certain positions, some employers now hold personal qualities such as skills possessed by the individual ahead of the school they went to and the degree they graduated with. First, I would like to ask, could this be a reflection of a failing educational system? My second question is that if you happen to be the employer here, which will you consider more, school or skills?

I don't think it's a failed educational system because there are millions of people being able to defend that fact and put to work what they have actually been taught in school but the problem in our society is laziness such that the educated ones are too lazy to find themselves doing that thing they have spent years in school to study and this is why  majority companies prefer to employ skillful individuals to fill up that space.school or skills either of them are preferable depending on the availability.

[armanda90]

The truth is that both skills and education are very important because in some places where education fails, skills can take over. And the same thing with skills; however many places function now due to our certificates, jobs we apply for and some other part of our lives. We need education to survive, but some people are underrating school due to the large number of people who have graduated from school and are now jobless. Some people think education has already failed. They forget that without education you can’t even apply for jobs with only skills.

No doubt, Skill has one higher place above school but looking for job having skill only is not enough if you have lack school level. You must balance between school and skill do you have if you want apply working at top company but if you have your self companies with skill only seems enough to cover your working. Each part of school and skill have each other function for every one want to apply working at the company, in my country Indonesia firstly checking about your school degree if higher degree of your education have bigger chance get approving at company and balance with skill do you have.

But if you prefer skill only but lack school degree still difficult get approving for working at company, so both side between skill and school important part and can't be separated from each other.

[l3pox]

By my assumptions, there are strong indications already that we are moving past an era where employers put educational qualifications at the fore front of their requirement for employment into certain positions, some employers now hold personal qualities such as skills possessed by the individual ahead of the school they went to and the degree they graduated with. First, I would like to ask, could this be a reflection of a failing educational system? My second question is that if you happen to be the employer here, which will you consider more, school or skills?

Skills and values over school and institutions
Any day of the week
You can teach a hard working person but changing values like honesty/dishonesty is hard

School is mostly a social place nowadays, not really a guarantee of having a job anymore
Let’s see if it can adapt otherwise the amount of people having a hard time will probably be even greater

[jvanname]

Skills and values over school and institutions
Any day of the week
You can teach a hard working person but changing values like honesty/dishonesty is hard

School is mostly a social place nowadays, not really a guarantee of having a job anymore
Let’s see if it can adapt otherwise the amount of people having a hard time will probably be even greater

Universities are social places except people don't learn social skills at universities. They instead learn to be stupid fucking morons who promote violence.

Regards,

-Joseph Van Name Ph.D.

[serjent05]

Looking at my own team, our best performers came from non-traditional backgrounds but brought specialized skills and proven track records. One guy never finished high school but built three successful DeFi protocols from scratch. Another has multiple degrees but couldn't adapt to changing market conditions. True life story.

School is not a guarantee of becoming successful so I don't know why people always expect those with certificate to be always good with other things or even in their places of work the fact is that it's not every thing that you learn in school so there are things that you develop inside of you on personal basis so the basis of success should not be base on school

Attending school make one knowledge foundation strong.  Besides, the current job system in my country give priority to those who has higher education.  Decent job here needs school certificates, without them one will end up being jobless or working at the lowest level of job hierarchy.  With this kind of system, we cannot blame people to prioritize seeking out diplomas and certificate. 

Skills have their role to play in  life so school is not just enough try and get a skill even though you are a graduate because doing that is putting yourself in front and positioning yourself for opportunities that may come in the future because the fact is that there are no jobs even for the graduates to work

See?  "no jobs even for the graduates to work"  what more to those who lacks the qualification?  I agree that skill is important, but compare the two person with the same kind of skill level but the other one went to school that specialized on that skill against the person who just have the skill but does not attend any specialized courses for that skill.

The one that has more knowledge about that skill performs better in terms of strategy, planning and troubleshooting.  Assuming that they are both in an entry level of being an apprentice.

By my assumptions, there are strong indications already that we are moving past an era where employers put educational qualifications at the fore front of their requirement for employment into certain positions, some employers now hold personal qualities such as skills possessed by the individual ahead of the school they went to and the degree they graduated with. First, I would like to ask, could this be a reflection of a failing educational system? My second question is that if you happen to be the employer here, which will you consider more, school or skills?

Skills and values over school and institutions
Any day of the week
You can teach a hard working person but changing values like honesty/dishonesty is hard

School is mostly a social place nowadays, not really a guarantee of having a job anymore
Let’s see if it can adapt otherwise the amount of people having a hard time will probably be even greater

Values and character is molded at home.  So don't blame school for this.

[summonerrk]

By my assumptions, there are strong indications already that we are moving past an era where employers put educational qualifications at the fore front of their requirement for employment into certain positions, some employers now hold personal qualities such as skills possessed by the individual ahead of the school they went to and the degree they graduated with. First, I would like to ask, could this be a reflection of a failing educational system? My second question is that if you happen to be the employer here, which will you consider more, school or skills?

Both of us need to have these two activities in ourselves. Because if you are applicable to the job field, then you need to have two things, degree and diploma. Your educational qualification will be considered for employment in a position. When you are accessed by looking at your documents, after that your qualities and skills will be considered. How far you are ahead in terms of skills is considered as a job by the employer. In other words, we need both school and skills.

You are right both of them are important, I think going to school in this generation is now like a back up plan, you do with the hopes that when something comes up you can have a degree to present..one thing that's inevitable is that no matter how skillful a person is without a certificate backing you up the man with low quality skills compared to yours might have the upper hand in terms of getting some jobs..this is why when most people get a job based on the skill they have they still need obtain a degree so that they can get higher position and offer.. education can facilitate the results of your skills.

In the country where I live there is a saying "without a certificate or a diploma you cannot be called a civilized person". I translated it only approximately, but I think you understood the essence of it. And I want to say that I agree with this statement, because a person without education is useless for the state in the mechanism of work relations. He will not be recognized at the interview, he will not be promoted even if he is an excellent specialist. Also, if at the official job where he somehow miraculously gets a job, he will be the first to be laid off. It is sad, but these are the facts.

[moneystery]

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But if you prefer skill only but lack school degree still difficult get approving for working at company, so both side between skill and school important part and can't be separated from each other.

in our parents' time, maybe when you only had skills and no formal education, you could still work in more companies.. but nowadays, there are fewer companies accepting applicants who do not have formal education, such as a bachelor's degree or the like. and therefore both skill and formal education play crucial roles in shaping a person's career nowadays.

if they want to freelance or open their own business, maybe formal education is not a problem for them, but when they have plans to apply for a job in a company, then they need to maximize their formal education and then they can pay attention to their skills to be able to maximize their chances of being accepted more than other applicants.

[bakasabo]

in our parents' time, maybe when you only had skills and no formal education, you could still work in more companies.. but nowadays, there are fewer companies accepting applicants who do not have formal education, such as a bachelor's degree or the like. and therefore both skill and formal education play crucial roles in shaping a person's career nowadays.

if they want to freelance or open their own business, maybe formal education is not a problem for them, but when they have plans to apply for a job in a company, then they need to maximize their formal education and then they can pay attention to their skills to be able to maximize their chances of being accepted more than other applicants.

How come immigrants all around the world work then, if their diploma must be either translated or accepted by local institution of education? Bachelors degree is not a must, but to what employer pay attention to if there are two candidates for one position. Media in the beginning of the summer always post news about school exam results and each years level of education is decreasing. I wont say that diploma is a must. Employer evaluate employee by his results, but not by marks during exams and presence of diploma.

[Bluedrem]

By my assumptions, there are strong indications already that we are moving past an era where employers put educational qualifications at the fore front of their requirement for employment into certain positions, some employers now hold personal qualities such as skills possessed by the individual ahead of the school they went to and the degree they graduated with. First, I would like to ask, could this be a reflection of a failing educational system? My second question is that if you happen to be the employer here, which will you consider more, school or skills?

Both of us need to have these two activities in ourselves. Because if you are applicable to the job field, then you need to have two things, degree and diploma. Your educational qualification will be considered for employment in a position. When you are accessed by looking at your documents, after that your qualities and skills will be considered. How far you are ahead in terms of skills is considered as a job by the employer. In other words, we need both school and skills.

You are right both of them are important, I think going to school in this generation is now like a back up plan, you do with the hopes that when something comes up you can have a degree to present..one thing that's inevitable is that no matter how skillful a person is without a certificate backing you up the man with low quality skills compared to yours might have the upper hand in terms of getting some jobs..this is why when most people get a job based on the skill they have they still need obtain a degree so that they can get higher position and offer.. education can facilitate the results of your skills.

In the country where I live there is a saying "without a certificate or a diploma you cannot be called a civilized person". I translated it only approximately, but I think you understood the essence of it. And I want to say that I agree with this statement, because a person without education is useless for the state in the mechanism of work relations. He will not be recognized at the interview, he will not be promoted even if he is an excellent specialist. Also, if at the official job where he somehow miraculously gets a job, he will be the first to be laid off. It is sad, but these are the facts.

I think it is better not to associate success with certificates or jobs, they may not complement each other. If a person earns a degree through education but knows very little about the work at hand and his skills are not that sharp, he will not be successful in the workplace. And if someone has good skills, he can earn a living through various types of work even beyond his academic qualifications.
Both school and skills are important, but if we do percentages, then skills are more important than school.