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[Bitcoin_Arena]

Yeah, but what if you send BTC with 25% AML score to the empty address that previously had coins with a >60% AML score? Will the new coins, although relatively clean, inherit a bad score due to the history of the address?

I am thinking the AML scanning tools don't just label "clean" and "dirty" bitcoins but go as far as labeling high-risk and low-risk addresses based on past transactions. You are basically giving them more data to label all future transactions through the address as suspicious/high risk. So it makes more sense not to reuse an address for all the future Bitcoin transactions.

[cLoazyL]

The problem with AML checkers is that each one will show a different result, sometimes differing by as much as 5-15%

You don’t know which one to trust. What if the AML checker you’re using shows you a 25% AML score, but the Binance/bybit or whatever where you’re depositing money uses a different one that shows 40% score? That’s a real problem here

[hexturim]

SageSwap has been added to Get Rate monitoring.
P.S. Be sure to add the required tag <maxamount>5000</maxamount> to your exchange rate file. If this tag is missing, the rates will not display correctly.

[SageSwap]

SageSwap has been added to Get Rate monitoring.

Hi, That's nice! Please change our rating to A - we don't require KYC or AML verification

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[joniboini]

SageSwap has been added to Get Rate monitoring.

Has SageSwap ever confirmed where they're based on before? I think this is the first time I've read which country they operates from. I'm not sure what does 178 means in the fees part either.

You don’t know which one to trust.

If only those exchange share which tools they use pubilcly, it will be easier to verify independently. But I guess it will be easier for people to "abuse", in the sense that they don't need to make transactions and get stuck, being forced into KYC.

[examplens]

What do you think about the proposal to emphasize the status of the order a little differently so that it is more noticeable with the changes? For example, it is enough for it to be orange while waiting for confirmation and green after it has been successfully executed.
This white text is quite uniform and boring.

Also, why is there no information anywhere about how many network confirmations are waiting for execution

[SageSwap]

What do you think about the proposal to emphasize the status of the order a little differently so that it is more noticeable with the changes? For example, it is enough for it to be orange while waiting for confirmation and green after it has been successfully executed.
This white text is quite uniform and boring.

That might be fine, I've added it to the TODO list, maybe we'll get to it someday.

Also, why is there no information anywhere about how many network confirmations are waiting for execution

It would cause unnecessary confusion, sometimes, even though we have the required confirmations, the status doesn’t change because there’s a queue of transactions waiting their turn, if we have a lot of transactions at once "waiting for confirmations" acts as a hub for transactions waiting their turn, the number of confirmations we require often changes, depending on the amount and a few other factors.

[examplens]

It would cause unnecessary confusion, sometimes, even though we have the required confirmations, the status doesn’t change because there’s a queue of transactions waiting their turn, if we have a lot of transactions at once "waiting for confirmations" acts as a hub for transactions waiting their turn, the number of confirmations we require often changes, depending on the amount and a few other factors.

Are you saying that the number of confirmations for the execution of an XMR order, for example, can vary depending on several factors?

Also, are you listed on kycnot.me?
I can't find you there, and I'd like to leave a review now because I have a "fresh" order ID.

[SageSwap]

It would cause unnecessary confusion, sometimes, even though we have the required confirmations, the status doesn’t change because there’s a queue of transactions waiting their turn, if we have a lot of transactions at once "waiting for confirmations" acts as a hub for transactions waiting their turn, the number of confirmations we require often changes, depending on the amount and a few other factors.

Are you saying that the number of confirmations for the execution of an XMR order, for example, can vary depending on several factors?

Also, are you listed on kycnot.me?
I can't find you there, and I'd like to leave a review now because I have a "fresh" order ID.

Exactly.

Yes we are - https://kycnot.me/service/sageswap-io

[examplens]

Exactly.

Yes we are - https://kycnot.me/service/sageswap-io

Posted, waiting for moderators to approve. 

It seems that kycnot.me got more publicity than they can handle. All approvals and verifications can take a long time. On bitlist.co, comment approval is much faster, at least for those with an order ID as proof.

[SamReomo]

It seems that kycnot.me got more publicity than they can handle. All approvals and verifications can take a long time. On bitlist.co, comment approval is much faster, at least for those with an order ID as proof.

That's true, on Kycnot.me it takes at least a few hours to get your reviews approved. Sometimes a user have to wait at least a day to get his/her feedback/review approved on Kycnot.me. Well, on Bitlist.co things work much faster, many reviews get approved in short period.

Both platforms Kycnot.me and Bitlist.co are helpful platforms especially for the service that doesn't require any kind of KYC. Personally, I find genuine services at Bitcointalk, Bitlist, some at forum Altcoinstalks and on Kycnot.me. I believe all those platforms are useful.

[joniboini]

Both platforms Kycnot.me and Bitlist.co are helpful platforms especially for the service that doesn't require any kind of KYC.

I've seen a lot of ads of those platforms on community tools like the notifier bot. I can't seem to find ads for SageSwap there though, or at least I haven't encountered one. Has SageSwep ever do one? I'm not sure if it will bring immediate traffics, but I expect it to give enough brand recognition considering how many services are running ads now.

[ZAINmalik75]

Well I was reading the ANN since the start, and was also reading from the site, and this has been bugging me since. I know you have AML swap for a targeted audience not for everyone, though because everyone here don't want any kind of trouble by getting high AML funds, so do you and that's why you have two options. refund and AML Swap mode.

I just wanted to ask, does it not make you a direct target of the authorities? What would you do with high AML funds that people will send you to receive XMR in return using AML Swap Mode?

In the start, when you announced this, you wrote something like:

FAQ CHANGES:
Q: Do you accept stolen money?

A: No. We do not accept stolen money. Unlike many other platforms, we do not freeze user assets. If a transaction is flagged, we offer a full refund (minus network fees) with no KYC required.

But on your FAQ page, you wrote this:


What do you mean by Yes?

[Zaguru12]

I've seen a lot of ads of those platforms on community tools like the notifier bot. I can't seem to find ads for SageSwap there though, or at least I haven't encountered one. Has SageSwep ever do one? I'm not sure if it will bring immediate traffics, but I expect it to give enough brand recognition considering how many services are running ads now.

Is it actually that the ads added to the telegram notifier? I think it’s a good suggestion for ads but personally I think this signature campaign is an ads on its own and it’s same Bitcointalk members that get the notifier just that you can tell me more people use the the notifier. But the thing is not all platforms can do Same or similar promotional or ads content due to probably funds restrictions. Some platforms do not have that much budget for ads and as such are most likely going to be managing it properly and that means they cannot afford to do promotional contents like others. If not it’s a good suggestion for broader audience.

Posted, waiting for moderators to approve. 

It seems that kycnot.me got more publicity than they can handle. All approvals and verifications can take a long time. On bitlist.co, comment approval is much faster, at least for those with an order ID as proof.

Seriously I noticed this after leaving a review on Bitlist.co of recent and it getting approved much faster than the experience I had on kycnot.me

[SageSwap]

Well I was reading the ANN since the start, and was also reading from the site, and this has been bugging me since. I know you have AML swap for a targeted audience not for everyone, though because everyone here don't want any kind of trouble by getting high AML funds, so do you and that's why you have two options. refund and AML Swap mode.

I just wanted to ask, does it not make you a direct target of the authorities? What would you do with high AML funds that people will send you to receive XMR in return using AML Swap Mode?

They do not go into our reserves, and there is no way for a person exchanging money with us to receive coins that were exchanged through AML Mode.

In the start, when you announced this, you wrote something like:

FAQ CHANGES:
Q: Do you accept stolen money?

A: No. We do not accept stolen money. Unlike many other platforms, we do not freeze user assets. If a transaction is flagged, we offer a full refund (minus network fees) with no KYC required.

But on your FAQ page, you wrote this:


What do you mean by Yes?

Our FAQ has changed because we've added a new "AML Mode swap" feature.

Yes and No, that’s the best answer here. If someone uses our AML Swap mode, we don’t check where the funds come from, and we don’t want to know. Whether someone wants to exchange clean or stolen coins, it doesn’t matter for us.

And that’s exactly what we had in mind when we introduced this feature, so that no one, not even us, would know where your money came from. The fact that the output is in Monero means no one can check where the money went, which is perfect for both sides.

[UmerIdrees]

SageSwap has been added to Get Rate monitoring.

Hi, That's nice! Please change our rating to A - we don't require KYC or AML verification

They have updated the rating to A 


However, that site (https://getrate.cc) is quite new and it would take a long time for its rating to have any impact.
I mean, you need to have traffic on such sites and this one lacks it.

[SamReomo]

Yes and No, that’s the best answer here. If someone uses our AML Swap mode, we don’t check where the funds come from, and we don’t want to know. Whether someone wants to exchange clean or stolen coins, it doesn’t matter for us.

That's indeed a useful feature for the ones who're affected by high AML coins. High AML doesn't mean that a user has done something wrong, but it's because someone send them such coins, and if there's an exchange in this case SageSwap that helps such users by fixing their coins then there should be no issue at all.

That's the purpose of AML swap, I believe that was introduced to help the ones who were wrongly affected by the high AML coins. I know that such a feature can be misused by the wrong people but they can do such things on many other platforms so I guess it depends on end user that how they use a feature.

[SamReomo]

I've seen a lot of ads of those platforms on community tools like the notifier bot. I can't seem to find ads for SageSwap there though, or at least I haven't encountered one. Has SageSwep ever do one?

Yes, I also use those bots and I've seen such ads many times on bots. There're some services that are taking advantage of such type of marketing by advertising on those bots. I've not yet seen SageSwap on those bots ads but who knows in future they might consider that type of advertisement to gain attention of the users that use those bots.

[cLoazyL]

It seems that kycnot.me got more publicity than they can handle. All approvals and verifications can take a long time. On bitlist.co, comment approval is much faster, at least for those with an order ID as proof.

That's true, on Kycnot.me it takes at least a few hours to get your reviews approved. Sometimes a user have to wait at least a day to get his/her feedback/review approved on Kycnot.me. Well, on Bitlist.co things work much faster, many reviews get approved in short period.

Both platforms Kycnot.me and Bitlist.co are helpful platforms especially for the service that doesn't require any kind of KYC. Personally, I find genuine services at Bitcointalk, Bitlist, some at forum Altcoinstalks and on Kycnot.me. I believe all those platforms are useful.

One of the problems with bitlist is that it's extremely commercial and has stupid things, such as giving 180 karma for Exolix which is known for not returning moneey even after completing full KYC lol