Has ai changed the way you merit?

[MarryWithBTC]

I would not care too much if a post has been created or not with or without AI.
however, without mentioning specific cases, have you tried ever to read one of these - random posts ?
The long list of errors that you find inside, or even the poor grammar construct would make just a waste of time read a post.

If the outcome could be seen as useful, and it would be used positevely (no red trust), I would not have doubts for add a merit.
What I would see as important: it could become impressively boring have a forum with AI resources/long wall of text.

This is entirely a different thought I have read in this discussion discussion.

To be very sure i understood you, let me say what i understood.

There are some posts that are very much unreadable, poorly formatted, wrong/no punctuations and too many errors. You are saying that you prefer an ai written text to such kind of unreadable posts?

I agree that anyone who wants to post in the general boards should at least know how to form a readable sentence, else they remain in their local board.

...Merit is given to individual posts. A user might have plenty of ordinary posts, but then they make one post that they put a lot of effort into, that's the one that earns merit.

I agree.
Some posts appear as low quality because their creators refuse to put efforts in making them. Some posts are made in extreme haste, forgetting that people of higher bitcoin knowledge will read them.

[bitbollo]

In this case I am talking about Ai post/resumes here in bitcointalk.
At a certain point these are Wall of text. Who would read these long post - full of garage or completely far away of human style? Did you see something useful on this?
Defintely i would not merit any of these attempts. Internet Forums have not been designed for interaction with bot/AI

[Mahiyammahi]

If I see that the post's itself carried some value I usually merit them. Well you can easily separate the AI slops at a first glance. Our human minds always wants to read something written by a true human. But even AI can make good post's it depends on how good the user is trying to reflect it on their thread/posts. But surrendering to AI completely is just a pure bullshit nothing else.

You can rephrase your idea, rewrite your sloppy writing but the main thing is do not change the way how you feel . A writing makes it alive cause it has some human emotion , experience.

If no reputable users have given him merits

So being a reputable member you're not considering yourself as a reputable or respected person and pushing other's to make the move first? This is so wrong and I think you should change the perspective, if everyone is looking for someone to appears first there would be no one left.

Potentially AI generated posts always come of as out of place in the thread I find them in and never really deserving of merits. They could only look right when it's a thread you're starting, but when replying to a discussion, it's easier to spot.

Great to see someone is actually giving attention to AI without falling in noises. Actually if a user's thread/Topic idea is that user's alone I think there's no room to complain. Cause we probably use AI to write to sounds good and make our topic more understandable to other's. Cause we might have the idea but we're not a good presenting it.

Sometimes you don't even need to have an AI detector to map out AI generated content. Most times I think copy pasted AI contents come from farmer accounts than actual newbies. Areal newbie will refrain from AI the moment they notice it's frowned upon on the forum.

It's true this section is so much crowded that's why don't see any quality post's. AI even goes this farther that we stopped thinking ourselves and asks AI How to make good post's on forum , pick me some good topic to write maybe these are the criteria of them lol don't know just speculating.

It is also normal that lower-ranked accounts will not be able to make such good posts in the beginning, so I think it is necessary to see in which direction the posts they made from the start are growing. Usually, this is how the post matters of a lower-ranked account should be looked at.

From your post's history I'm seeing you're making good quality post's of yourself from Day 1. So how you're judging other's that they  can't but you can. It's a misconception nothing else. Try to change your Point of view for other's.
Some have knowledge but they're not good writer, some have enough good writing skill but maybe not enough knowledge. Well it varies person to person.

[TokenTikas]

So how you're judging other's that they  can't but you can. It's a misconception nothing else.

It was not said in a way that I can do it but they cannot, but from the point of judgment and consideration, the matter is not that they cannot, because those who cannot can also do it if they gradually try.

Maybe you also noticed the words at the beginning of my post, where I mentioned that if someone gradually moves towards improvement, then it should be viewed positively.

If their posts gradually become better from the beginning then see it positively.

[Mahiyammahi]

So how you're judging other's that they  can't but you can. It's a misconception nothing else.

It was not said in a way that I can do it but they cannot, but from the point of judgment and consideration, the matter is not that they cannot, because those who cannot can also do it if they gradually try.

I've read it and I know it. Did you read my post's? Or just seeing some word rush to reply.  I'm quoteing myself again with highlighting.

It is also normal that lower-ranked accounts will not be able to make such good posts in the beginning, so I think it is necessary to see in which direction the posts they made from the start are growing. Usually, this is how the post matters of a lower-ranked account should be looked at.

From your post's history I'm seeing you're making good quality post's of yourself from Day 1.

I'm seeing that your post quality has been remain same from day 1. So now tell me you we're newbie at some point right? So why you are  assumption is gradually.

There's still lot of talented user's on other social media who don't even has any forum account. So let's say they are appearing on forum and you will judge them from their rank?

If this has been done by all forum members no memeber would have ranked up from JR memeber to  memeber , memeber to full memeber. We still has some generous people who has intend to merit what actually deserves the merit.

I myself don't judge a user's post by their ranking. I've given lot of newbie user merits and JR member.

[TokenTikas]

I've read it and I know it. Did you read my post's?

I gave the reply after reading your post, and nothing about rushing was said here.

So now tell me you we're newbie at some point right?

If I look at my posts from the beginning, I still feel how I was at that time. I spent a lot of time and looked at other people's posts and moved forward this way. I tried to do my best to make good posts and I liked one thing that my posts were liked by you from the beginning. The only reason I said my point gradually is that I also learned and moved forward slowly, but what you said that there are differences from person to person is also correct.

There's still lot of talented user's on other social media who don't even has any forum account. So let's say they are appearing on forum and you will judge them from their rank?

If they come to the forum and in the beginning just look at the forum rules and regulations properly, then they will also be able to make good posts, this is also correct. From my point of view, those who are good posters according to their small or big rank should definitely be respected and I also do that.

[snipie]

I am very surprised to see a poster like you can discuss about post quality.

Just one post and a quick look at Silikiem's post history was enough to add him to my Ignore list.

I avoid putting people in my ignore list so I can watch what they say without additional clicks. Well, some exceptions are made.
I believe having a script or an option to filter or restrict sending merit to a specific user would be better than ignoring them. I am talking especially about staff with the ability to ban members mainly.
By the way, members of some signature campaigns should be double checked because having a long post and 2 - 3 quoted texts in the same post are classic ways to avoid suspicions and make their posts look good while they are empty inside.

[notocactus]

I really hate how "Merit" is now bringing shitposters to the boards that used to be okay. Until 2 years ago, I didn't frequently have to Ignore users who posted in Meta or the tech boards.

The problems of spam in last four years approximately and it has increased with time are all from merit system failures. When shitposters ranked up easily, with shitposts, they will spam everywhere.

I noted about it.

Think:
If we force spammers to rank up by posting good, we force them to have a good writing habit, and when they ranked up already, they will more likely post good, or at least better than spammers.

A person who ranked up from posting good will make it a writing and posting habit and will not lose it after ranking up to Hero member or Legendary member rank, whereas the spammers who ranked up by shitposts to Hero/ Legendary member rank will continue his habit (writing shitposts). While with time, the farm becomes bigger and more shits around.

The number of Merit sent per week didn't go down, but the number of posts dropped a lot:

About 8 years ago, Bitcointalk had 353813 posts per week, now it's 23065. That's 93.5% less (although not all of those posts were spam).

That means there's about 15-20 times more Merit per post now. That explains why shitposters can rank up, and I think there's too much Merit going around, and in the wrong places.

Before this post, I remember someone posted that total new accounts did not increase too much, but spam increased a lot. If my memory serves me, you made that post some days after the signature ban kick-off.

That information is right because I saw they woke up newbie accounts then farmed merits and it has become more popular when they got more merits in their circles, from merit sources and years later, it's what we have witnessed recent months with shitposts around.

I also posted somewhere that they have a trick to create threads, waiting a merit source to merit it, then they will use their accounts to merit that thread/ post. They take advantage of merit source like a quality guarantee for that post/ thread, and honestly it's a clever strategy but when it is abused, it's easily realized.

[BitBakerr1]

Seeing this thread, what immediately got to mind mind is, what if there was something like demerit in this forum, when you later discover that you merited a post that was generated by AI, the next thing to do is to demerit it .
I know that many people have merited an AI generated post without knowing because they didn’t check, and I can’t blame them because checking every post you want to merit if it’s AI generated is kind of stressful, especially for merit source that merit a lot of post.
Some post when checked with AI detector may show you large percentage of AI, even though it was not written by AI. This happens when you write very well and with the right punctuation marks in the right places.

[notocactus]

Seeing this thread, what immediately got to mind mind is, what if there was something like demerit in this forum, when you later discover that you merited a post that was generated by AI, the next thing to do is to demerit it .

Demerit if is launched and used will be for shitposts and not only restricted to AI-generated posts or plagiarized posts.
Do you think your merited posts will not be demerited, seriously?

I'm hoping that this system will increase post quality by:
 - Forcing people to post high-quality stuff in order to rank up. If you just post garbage, you will never get even 1 merit point, and you will therefore never be able to put links in your signature, etc.
 - Highlighting good posts with the "Merited by" line.

While we will not be directly moderating this, I encourage people to give merit to posts that are objectively high-quality, not just posts that you agree with.

[Findingnemo]

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I also posted somewhere that they have a trick to create threads, waiting a merit source to merit it, then they will use their accounts to merit that thread/ post. They take advantage of merit source like a quality guarantee for that post/ thread, and honestly it's a clever strategy but when it is abused, it's easily realized.

When merit sources use their power to build their farm or even merit posts that don't deserve any (frequently) will be kicked out from source, it happened in the past if I am not wrong.

Still, people keep finding ways to build their farm but one obvious thing is they use the local boards to receive 99% of their merits and keep circling around so if we just restrict the merit button to the mainboard alone, that will eliminate most of them.

[notocactus]

When merit sources use their power to build their farm or even merit posts that don't deserve any (frequently) will be kicked out from source, it happened in the past if I am not wrong.

You are right but only if people report such bad merit sources, and the abuse is severe enough.

Still, people keep finding ways to build their farm but one obvious thing is they use the local boards to receive 99% of their merits and keep circling around so if we just restrict the merit button to the mainboard alone, that will eliminate most of them.

It's best for them if they only spam in their local boards rather than spam in English boards to flood the forum with their shitposts and show that they are only low quality posters with Hero or Legendary rank/ badge.

Sometimes they spammed and when they are reported, the reason given is like "Sorry, my English is bad" like this.

What a post!

Not at all, in fact it's even a very smart and eco friendly choice by the beer company, this their choice of using the energy from mining grid is even preventing the waste of energy and doesn't change the health effects of the beer, although not when the beer is being abused by consumer since it still contains altcoin which can still cause some health issues when someone abusive consumes it.

I didn't even know the heat could be use for this kind of production, I thought I was only exclusively for water heating and space heating during cold weathers.

Pardon me, English is not my mother tongue but the message I'm trying to pass can better be understood since I have corrected the typo error in the post, thanks for pointing it out.

While, let's see

Languages
If you are fluent in any language other than English, then it is highly encouraged for you to post in your local board. These boards often have tight-knit communities which will be able to help you, and in some ways you might be at an advantage compared to English-only posters.

In the English sections, only English is allowed. It is not necessary to speak perfect English, though you shoulld be understandable. Try your best. If you're unsure whether your English is good enough, ask in your local board or in the Beginners & Help section

Reason can be simple, campaigns only count limited number of posts in local board each week.

[Findingnemo]

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You are right but only if people report such bad merit sources, and the abuse is severe enough.

Sooner or later they will get caught eventually.

It's best for them if they only spam in their local boards rather than spam in English boards to flood the forum with their shitposts and show that they are only low quality posters with Hero or Legendary rank/ badge.
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Reason can be simple, campaigns only count limited number of posts in local board each week.

English isn't my first language either and the goal isn't to make perfect English sentences, it is all about posting the real opinions that is coming from a real person, which need to be understandable rather than with absolutely perfect English. The problem with local board farms is they rank up by posting some gibberish or mediocre ones then they will start flexing their rank in the global board like they know everything.

But the real truth is most of them even lack the knowledge about basic wallet-related queries, a while ago, someone who is legendary didn't have the real experience of using coin control feature on wallet or even never installed core wallet at all.

[vapourminer]

But the real truth is most of them even lack the knowledge about basic wallet-related queries, a while ago, someone who is legendary didn't have the real experience of using coin control feature on wallet or even never installed core wallet at all.

unfortunately ive seen this too. "legendary" accounts confidentially regurgitating AI errors. i have soooo many legendries on ignore now as of late.. seems it wasnt like that before or perhaps i just didnt notice.

[Findingnemo]

But the real truth is most of them even lack the knowledge about basic wallet-related queries, a while ago, someone who is legendary didn't have the real experience of using coin control feature on wallet or even never installed core wallet at all.

unfortunately ive seen this too. "legendary" accounts confidentially regurgitating AI errors. i have soooo many legendries on ignore now as of late.. seems it wasnt like that before or perhaps i just didnt notice.

Evolution of signature campaigns and some managers prefer users who post in actual Bitcoin-related threads over just random generic replies with merits that forces farmers to be active on technical related threads and since the chatbot offers instant replies they constantly reply whatever the anser it gives them and higher rank users knows how to humanize the answer that won't be detected using any AI tools.

[TokenTikas]

unfortunately ive seen this too. "legendary" accounts confidentially regurgitating AI errors. i have soooo many legendries on ignore now as of late.. seems it wasnt like that before or perhaps i just didnt notice.

After the SigBan system was introduced, users like this are being identified very easily. Whether it is a legendary account or an account of any rank, all accounts are getting caught very easily. Everyone actually expects something (good/informative) from legendary accounts, but it is unfortunate that those people are not providing something that good.

since the chatbot offers instant replies they constantly reply whatever the anser it gives them and higher rank users knows how to humanize the answer that won't be detected using any AI tools.

No matter how much they convert the answer given by the chatbot into a human-like post, there will be almost nothing informative in it. They may take the opinion of the post from there and write it in their own way, which is why naturally they cannot be caught.

[notocactus]

English isn't my first language either and the goal isn't to make perfect English sentences, it is all about posting the real opinions that is coming from a real person, which need to be understandable rather than with absolutely perfect English.

To communicate at basic level, you only need to have basic English, not perfect one. It's not a big problem to discuss in this forum in English, and like the head admin noted, English is not a barrier for discussion in this forum even in English boards.

If people think their English is too bad, like English-broken, they will have to learn and sharpen their English, at least in reading and writing. It takes time but it's not too difficult and if people have motivation for doing that, they will improve their English from broken level to basic level after some months.

The problem with local board farms is they rank up by posting some gibberish or mediocre ones then they will start flexing their rank in the global board like they know everything.

There are less people care about what are spams in local boards, except members in that local boards and local moderators but if spams invade and expand into English boards, many forum members see it and it is time for big problems appear.

But the real truth is most of them even lack the knowledge about basic wallet-related queries, a while ago, someone who is legendary didn't have the real experience of using coin control feature on wallet or even never installed core wallet at all.

That's classic growth of spammers, from newbies, junior members in the past as spammers to Hero and Legendary members but spam similarly.

In September 2018, after a little bit more than a half of year since merit system kick-off, theymos deranked Junior members because of spam in that low rank.
Enhanced newbie restrictions & requirements.

Due to excessive garbage-posting, you now need 1 merit to be a Jr Member. All existing Jr Members who didn't meet the requirement were demoted. Also, newbies can no longer set any signature or personal text.

[Peanutswar]

In some point yes, because right now others chasing for the merits and the rank so they get lazy than having a conceptualizing the contents they made an AI post but once I doubt with the contents of the users ive seen like what _act_ mentioned thread about checker is I will use them to verify of course not just a single check only having a multiple verification is a must to become fair.

You can use these tools for AI check.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5456516.0

Also there is an implemented guidelines here what are the limitations of using of an AI. AI guidelines.