Armed Feds Prepare For Showdown With Nevada Cattle Rancher

[TECSHARE]

Last time I checked liberals don't often support guns, militias, farmers, or southerners really. You are trying to make your square biases fit into a round hole.

Check again. This time don't drink that tea they give you. The idea of liberal and conservative is the wool that is put before our eyes to hide the truth. For if the truth came out and people discovered we are all fighting the same monied interests they would fall. People are complicated and rarely buy into a set of disconnected beliefs despite what political fundraisers would like us to think.
I have ethical problems with abortion, carry a gun every day, love the south, am involved with CSA farming, despise laws that limit my freedom in any way. You know, a liberal.  

You misunderstood. First of all there is a reason I used "don't often" instead of "all". One exception does not dictate the norm. Additionally if you are so above the irrelevant 2 party dialectic, then why do you even bother identifying yourself as a liberal?

The words liberal and conservative are meaningless except when describing the general popular sentiment, ie what TV tells you to think. Those words lost their true meanings many years ago. One might argue even that a politicians job is to make definitions of words meaningless so that they can get away with whatever they want with ambiguous definitions. I was simply pointing out his hypocrisy in using ambiguous inconsistent statements, much like a politician would do. Ironically as a person like him who identifies with socialist values, he attacks the liberal left, the same people who usually identify most with this mindset.

[tvbcof]

Yes because everyone knows bankers and politicians never get together to conspire about how best to fuck the public. That is way too far fetched. So your saying upkeep of a desert costs more than they'll acquire selling land, oil, and mineral rights? That makes sense, but hey, why bother confirming anything when you can just state your personal opinions as if they are fact?

If you feel like re-phrasing things in a way which makes some sense, particularly given the text to which you were responding, I'd probably be interested enough to comment.  As it stands it looks kind of like you agree with me but seek to dis-agree in a passive/aggressive sort of manner and are grasping for ways to do it.

[tvbcof]

Last time I checked liberals don't often support guns, militias, farmers, or southerners really. You are trying to make your square biases fit into a round hole.

Check again. This time don't drink that tea they give you. The idea of liberal and conservative is the wool that is put before our eyes to hide the truth. For if the truth came out and people discovered we are all fighting the same monied interests they would fall. People are complicated and rarely buy into a set of disconnected beliefs despite what political fundraisers would like us to think.
I have ethical problems with abortion, carry a gun every day, love the south, am involved with CSA farming, despise laws that limit my freedom in any way. You know, a liberal.  

You misunderstood. First of all there is a reason I used "don't often" instead of "all". One exception does not dictate the norm. Additionally if you are so above the irrelevant 2 party dialectic, then why do you even bother identifying yourself as a liberal?

The words liberal and conservative are meaningless except when describing the general popular sentiment, ie what TV tells you to think. Those words lost their true meanings many years ago. One might argue even that a politicians job is to make definitions of words meaningless so that they can get away with whatever they want with ambiguous definitions. I was simply pointing out his hypocrisy in using ambiguous inconsistent statements, much like a politician would do. Ironically as a person like him who identifies with socialist values, he attacks the liberal left, the same people who usually identify most with this mindset.

I see now why folks like Solarian get into some mode like the hitchhiker in 'Something about Mary' and accuse me of 'inconsistency' when I claim to be a Liberal/Progressive who strongly supports the 2nd.  People have been programmed (by themselves or others or some combination) to some hard-n-fast associations.  This is not 'inconsistency'.  The basic problem false understanding of the world and one which is aggravated by a mindset of absolutism.

Not that I (for instance) don't have some genuine inconsistencies.  I do.  But actually far fewer than most of the readers here probably believe.

[TECSHARE]

Yes because everyone knows bankers and politicians never get together to conspire about how best to fuck the public. That is way too far fetched. So your saying upkeep of a desert costs more than they'll acquire selling land, oil, and mineral rights? That makes sense, but hey, why bother confirming anything when you can just state your personal opinions as if they are fact?

If you feel like re-phrasing things in a way which makes some sense, particularly given the text to which you were responding, I'd probably be interested enough to comment.  As it stands it looks kind of like you agree with me but seek to dis-agree in a passive/aggressive sort of manner and are grasping for ways to do it.

No I am addressing facts, not your opinion. Why would I allow you to divert the topic of discussion to your opinions and respond to them when you give no one else the same courtesy, you just give more opinions and pretend the statements/facts/questions are irrelivant.

[tvbcof]

Yes because everyone knows bankers and politicians never get together to conspire about how best to fuck the public. That is way too far fetched. So your saying upkeep of a desert costs more than they'll acquire selling land, oil, and mineral rights? That makes sense, but hey, why bother confirming anything when you can just state your personal opinions as if they are fact?

If you feel like re-phrasing things in a way which makes some sense, particularly given the text to which you were responding, I'd probably be interested enough to comment.  As it stands it looks kind of like you agree with me but seek to dis-agree in a passive/aggressive sort of manner and are grasping for ways to do it.

No I am addressing facts, not your opinion. Why would I allow you to divert the topic of discussion to your opinions and respond to them when you give no one else the same courtesy, you just give more opinions and pretend the statements/facts/questions are irrelivant.

Actually, by all appearances, what you seem to be doing is babbling.

[TECSHARE]

I see now why folks like Solarian get into some mode like the hitchhiker in 'Something about Mary' and accuse me of 'inconsistency' when I claim to be a Liberal/Progressive who strongly supports the 2nd.  People have been programmed (by themselves or others or some combination) to some hard-n-fast associations.  This is not 'inconsistency'.  The basic problem false understanding of the world and one which is aggravated by a mindset of absolutism.

Not that I (for instance) don't have some genuine inconsistencies.  I do.  But actually far fewer than most of the readers here probably believe.

1. You support a policy not consistent with liberal party leaders.
2. You claim people don't know what a liberal is (but some how you know the right definition and everyone you claim to support doesn't).
3. You claim to be a liberal with policies inconsistent with what is commonly known as liberal policy.
4. You contradict yourself.

Why even associate yourself as a liberal or conservative? Apparently you don't understand the terms are both meaningless and the people who run both parties just feed you a different flavored shit sandwich, but you are still putting a shit sandwich in your mouth and eating it up. SELF PROCLAIMED LIBERALS AND CONSERVATIVES DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THOSE WORDS MEAN! They are just fighting "the other" like good little trained monkeys while bankers and politicians rob us ALL blind. None of them give a shit about you. Stop subsidizing their system by endorsing it.

[TECSHARE]

Yes because everyone knows bankers and politicians never get together to conspire about how best to fuck the public. That is way too far fetched. So your saying upkeep of a desert costs more than they'll acquire selling land, oil, and mineral rights? That makes sense, but hey, why bother confirming anything when you can just state your personal opinions as if they are fact?

If you feel like re-phrasing things in a way which makes some sense, particularly given the text to which you were responding, I'd probably be interested enough to comment.  As it stands it looks kind of like you agree with me but seek to dis-agree in a passive/aggressive sort of manner and are grasping for ways to do it.

No I am addressing facts, not your opinion. Why would I allow you to divert the topic of discussion to your opinions and respond to them when you give no one else the same courtesy, you just give more opinions and pretend the statements/facts/questions are irrelivant.

Actually, by all appearances, what you seem to be doing is babbling.

This is exactly what an indoctrinated person such as yourself would see as his eyes glaze over and blocks out any responses/statements/facts/questions that contradict his current belief system.

[solarion]

This is exactly what an indoctrinated person such as yourself would see as his eyes glaze over and blocks out any responses/statements/facts/questions that contradict his current belief system.

That's precisely what he does. Nothing reaches him through his carefully constructed labyrinth of nonsense. If a particular dialogue begins to make his inconsistencies apparent he immediately disconnects. He's a poster child for cognitive dissonance.

<snip>I claim to be a Liberal/Progressive who strongly supports the 2nd.

Strong supporters of the 2nd Amendment do not believe the right to keep and bear arms is granted or maintained by collectivist government authority and they do not believe those rights can or should be stripped on a whim because they disagree with the particular values of another. At best tvbcof is a strong supporter of his own 2nd Amendment rights and a wishy washy supporter of the rights of others.

[Wilikon]

Feds Consider Pressing Charges Against BLM Trespassers



Federal authorities are considering bringing charges against a group of at least 50 protesters who trespassed on U.S. Bureau of Land Management land in Utah Saturday.

A handful of demonstrators decided over the weekend to protest the U.S. government by riding all-terrain vehicles on federal property that has been off-limits to motor vehicles for the past seven years.

Federal authorities in 2007 to closed off land near Recapture Canyon, Utah, after they found an illegal trail cutting across ancestral ruins left behind by Ancestral Puebloans, the Associated Press reported.

The Bureau of Land Management said at the time of the closure that the land had become overused and that motor vehicles threatened to do serious damage to other archeological artifacts in the area, including ancient Indian dwellings.

While the federal agency closed off the land to motor vehicles, it has always remained open to hikers and horseback riders.

Nevertheless, dozens of demonstrators, some of them armed, stormed the federal land on their ATVs in protest of the closure, arguing that the federal government had unfairly robbed them of “outdoor recreation opportunities,” according to the Los Angeles Times.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/05/13/feds-consider-pressing-charges-against-blm-trespassers/

[solarion]

Oh dear.

Sounds like more job security for federal parasites. Shame they can't seem to find the resources to keep out trespassers on the nation's Southern border.

[TECSHARE]

Oh dear.

Sounds like more job security for federal parasites. Shame they can't seem to find the resources to keep out trespassers on the nation's Southern border.

No, you forgot enforcing immigration law is RAYSHIST! Don't mind the fact that every other nation on Earth does this. These people are poor, suffering, and need a home! Perhaps they can move in with you?

[solarion]

Oh dear.

Sounds like more job security for federal parasites. Shame they can't seem to find the resources to keep out trespassers on the nation's Southern border.

No, you forgot enforcing immigration law is RAYSHIST! Don't mind the fact that every other nation on Earth does this. These people are poor, suffering, and need a home! Perhaps they can move in with you?

No problemo...cocked, locked, and ready to rock. Send em on over. I'll pack some spare clips to ensure the trespassers receive the welcome they deserve.

[tvbcof]

Oh dear.

Sounds like more job security for federal parasites. Shame they can't seem to find the resources to keep out trespassers on the nation's Southern border.

No, you forgot enforcing immigration law is RAYSHIST! Don't mind the fact that every other nation on Earth does this. These people are poor, suffering, and need a home! Perhaps they can move in with you?

No problemo...cocked, locked, and ready to rock. Send em on over. I'll pack some spare clips to ensure the trespassers receive the welcome they deserve.

Almost every foreigner I've know has been a much better man and much better human being than you Bundy worshiping scum.  That goes for the Mexican mowing my neighbor's yard or working in the woods in my current locale, to the Chinese and Indian here on an H1B.

Spanish is becoming the  lingua franca on the logging landings because Mexican immigrants can and do work.  They don't (yet) seem to have some sense of entitlement to a god-given right to burn cookies over archaeological artifacts.  And they are not being unfairly discriminated against on the basis of needing an ATV because they are to fat and out-of-shape to walk.

In the other sphere of my life where most of my co-workers were ethnic Chinese or Indians, most of them spoke English unless they were alone.  In fact they spoke it and especially wrote it much more fluently than most Americans.

I would welcome and be honored to have most of the foreigners who I've met choose to become Americans.

BTW, I'll bet that a lot of my foreign friends are also better shots Mr. tough-guy Solarian.  Certainly that is the case for the older ones from SE Asia who actually know what war is.

 - edit: slight.

[TECSHARE]

Oh dear.

Sounds like more job security for federal parasites. Shame they can't seem to find the resources to keep out trespassers on the nation's Southern border.

No, you forgot enforcing immigration law is RAYSHIST! Don't mind the fact that every other nation on Earth does this. These people are poor, suffering, and need a home! Perhaps they can move in with you?

No problemo...cocked, locked, and ready to rock. Send em on over. I'll pack some spare clips to ensure the trespassers receive the welcome they deserve.

Almost every foreigner I've know has been a much better man and much better human being than you Bundy worshiping scum.  That goes for the Mexican mowing my neighbor's yard or working in the woods in my current locale, to the Chinese and Indian here on an H1B.

Spanish is becoming the  lingua franca on the logging landings because Mexican immigrants can and do work.  They don't (yet) seem to have some sense of entitlement to a god-given right to burn cookies over archaeological artifacts.  And they are not being unfairly discriminated against on the basis of needing an ATV because they are to fat and out-of-shape to walk.

In the other sphere of my life where most of my co-workers were ethnic Chinese or Indians, most of them spoke English unless they were alone.  In fact they spoke it and especially wrote it much more fluently than most Americans.

I would welcome and be honored to have most of the foreigners who I've met choose to become Americans.

BTW, I'll bet that a lot of my foreign friends are also better shots Mr. tough-guy Solarian.  Certainly that is the case for the older ones from SE Asia who actually know what war is.

 - edit: slight.

I am hispanic you knob. Did your head just explode or what?

[tvbcof]

I am hispanic you knob. Did your head just explode or what?

What do you want?  A cookie?

And why should my head explode?  It means basically nothing about anything.  Every racial and ethnic groups has it's contingent of rejects you know.  At least with immigration we can be a little selective.  We just have to live with deadbeats like Bundy.

Speaking of, a good reason not to just hand over all the fed land to the state yahoos to sell to the Koch brothers is that in 10 years the whole place would become uninhabitable.  Then the local losers would go looking around for a new home and might be tempted to come further West.  Exactly like Bundy's family after they ruined the land around Bundyville Arizona.  Indeed, Bundy's family did come to the Pacific Northwest briefly but couldn't hack it and/or were sent packing by people who could see that they were bad news.  One way or another,  praise Jesus!

[solarion]

LOL

More of that staunch second Amendment support? I mention defending my own tiny corner of the world from illegal immigrant trespassers and tvbcof turns it into a racial rant. I got no problem with legal immigrants that respect our laws and come here through proper channels.

Sorry, is the term "illegal immigrant", somehow racially insensitive?

[AnonyMint]

Totalitarians always think there are not enough reality checks for "the rejects" and "low-life".

In their view, all problems are always caused by the scum and not by the collective growing to be 75% of the GDP.

Remember the propaganda from Hitler about the how the weak and impure were the drag on the great Aryan society. No one paid attention to the fact that he was printing money and the government was the economy.

Totalitarians always end up with the megadeath they foment and deserve.

I will say one more time, make sure you find the opt-out frontiers. See my latest posts in the Dark Enlightenment and Mad Max threads.

Adios numbnuts.

Numbnuts (nuhm-nuhts)
Noun

1. The stupidest of the stupid. A complete dumbass, one whose intelligence quotient does not surpass that of the average rock.

2. An utter disgrace of humanity.

3. One whose purpose in life is meaningless; a complete and total waste of life.

4. An ignorant, arrogant asshole.

[tvbcof]

...
Adios numbnuts.
...

ya, ya, run off with your tail between your legs again for the eighteenth time.

I know it's hard to run an altcoin scam when someone is publicly pounding your balls flat.  So sorry.

You can at least be glad that you are unimportant enough that I'm not going to track down on your other grifting grounds.  It's hard to get the management of this forum so fed up that they ban you, but I wonder if you might be getting close with the great volumes spam and the lonely look-at-me threads you maintain.

[TECSHARE]

...
Adios numbnuts.
...

ya, ya, run off with your tail between your legs again for the eighteenth time.

I know it's hard to run an altcoin scam when someone is publicly pounding your balls flat.  So sorry.

You can at least be glad that you are unimportant enough that I'm not going to track down on your other grifting grounds.  It's hard to get the management of this forum so fed up that they ban you, but I wonder if you might be getting close with the great volumes spam and the lonely look-at-me threads you maintain.

[bryant.coleman]

Perhaps the BLM has realized that this is the right time to play the race card.

How Cliven Bundy and the Land Rights Movement Screws Native Americans

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/05/14/how-cliven-bundy-and-the-land-rights-movement-are-screwing-native-americans.html