[XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency

[eizh]

I have posted a proposal for fixed subsidy:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=597878.msg7202538#msg7202538

Looks good to me. At these levels, fixed reward v. exponential doesn't differ much over human lifetimes. It's still about 0.3% 50 years out.

[Keyboard-Mash]

I've waited a week and a half/two weeks to ask this because I'm hoping for good answers .. if anyone wants to take the time to answer

What, exactly, are the differences between the I2P with a c++ router that is being worked on for this coin, and the I2P that Anoncoin uses? I'm just wondering because ... well they claim to use it and there's depressing pages like this written about them now: http://www.coinssource.com/crypto-coins/anoncoin/

[dewdeded]

Biggest difference Monero is in usage, Anoncoin is vaporware. Unclear if it ever be released, project team has no crypto-currency background.
(just academic crypto/math-background, so they may get the crypto done, could be failing the rest of coin and community development, they have real jobs, they wont go full time coin dev, ...)

Anoncoin needs an trusted accumulator, that if compromised could be use to forge coins (which would be impossibleto proof) and decrypting the whole Anoncoin blockchain.
No one knows if Anoncoin scales. Development is payed by US and Israel military ....

[surfer43]

Biggest difference Monero is in usage, Anoncoin is vaporware. Unclear if it ever be released, project team has no crypto-currency background.
(just academic crypto/math-background, so they may get the crypto done, could be failing the rest of coin and community development, they have real jobs, they wont go full time coin dev, ...)

Anoncoin needs an trusted accumulator, that if compromised could be use to forge coins (which would be impossibleto proof) and decrypting the whole Anoncoin blockchain.
No one knows if Anoncoin scales. Development is payed by US and Israel military ....

You're mixing up Anoncoin with Zerocoin/Zerocash.

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And what is wrong? The military not involved in ZeroCash?

[Keyboard-Mash]

Biggest difference Monero is in usage, Anoncoin is vaporware. Unclear if it ever be released, project team has no crypto-currency background.
(just academic crypto/math-background, so they may get the crypto done, could be failing the rest of coin and community development, they have real jobs, they wont go full time coin dev, ...)

Anoncoin needs an trusted accumulator, that if compromised could be use to forge coins (which would be impossibleto proof) and decrypting the whole Anoncoin blockchain.
No one knows if Anoncoin scales. Development is payed by US and Israel military ....

You're mixing up Anoncoin with Zerocoin/Zerocash.

Yeah that does sound an awful lot like zerocash

Either way, I can understand the differences between the two currencies well enough .. I'm wondering what is the difference between Anoncoin's I2P and our I2P? Calling one or the other vaporware doesn't really tell me the differences between both of them (keep in mind that a c++ i2p router has only been mentioned at this point .. and could be put in the same vapor-boat). Is the I2P in anoncoin unfinished? I see their github has ignore there .. but i've only looked at it for a couple minutes.

[eizh]

Biggest difference Monero is in usage, Anoncoin is vaporware. Unclear if it ever be released, project team has no crypto-currency background.
(just academic crypto/math-background, so they may get the crypto done, could be failing the rest of coin and community development, they have real jobs, they wont go full time coin dev, ...)

Anoncoin needs an trusted accumulator, that if compromised could be use to forge coins (which would be impossibleto proof) and decrypting the whole Anoncoin blockchain.
No one knows if Anoncoin scales. Development is payed by US and Israel military ....

You're mixing up Anoncoin with Zerocoin/Zerocash.

Anoncoin is copying Zerocoin as soon as the code is out. This has more or less become their main mission and reason for existing.

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Oh, yeah I mixed up Anoncoin and ZeroCoin.

Is it even decided now, if Anoncoin will be using ZeroCoin or ZeroCash as its base tech/approach?

[Keyboard-Mash]

Anoncoin is copying Zerocoin as soon as the code is out. This has more or less become their main mission and reason for existing.

Yeah, I see that their new swing is zerocoin compatability or something.

But, I found this thread .. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=309716.msg3324938#msg3324938

It seems like they had/have I2P. Why didn't it take them to the moon^TM ?

Was the I2P there broken, unfinished, unwanted, or simply not feasible? Maybe it wasn't paired up with a goodsuitable protocol like CryptoNote?

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Why is I2P so important to you?

[Keyboard-Mash]

Why is I2P so important to you?

That's a good question.

What does it offer to me in the first place? I am trying to answer this question better myself. In trying to answer this .. I tried to make a comparison with what wasn't important about it in the past. In the past, Anoncoin has offered it to me. And now, I am trying to see what was "not good enough" about it to warrant a full c++ router development.

Apart from what I don't know that it hasn't offered me .. well I would certainly enjoy the privacy afforded by what I imagine a correct system like that would offer. Privacy in the sense that my metadata won't be analyzed so freely without my ability to say either "no" or "for a price". Perhaps, I could sell access to my viewkeys . I like the idea of not being constantly bombarded with ads for things I've purchased months ago. It's creepy. But, for a price, I would consider selling that data. This is a small example.

Perhaps, I wouldn't like people to know who I conduct transactions with ... other than just that other person? Privacy doesn't have to become non-existent in this century.

[smoothie]

Can someone please link me to the top addresses for monero?

If there exist such a public list.

[Keyboard-Mash]

Can someone please link me to the top addresses for monero?

If there exist such a public list.

Innate stealth addressing prevents this from being a fully realized possibility. I'm pretty sure if everyone were to share their viewkeys such a list might be able to be created.

[Taxidermista]

Does anybody know how to get rid of 3.15 XMR that I mined at Moneropool.com? I've tried send it to Poloniex in batches of 1.5, 1, 0.5, 0.2... nothings works. Sending over 1.5 does not work, "transaction too big" error. Smallest amounts seems to work at first but minutes later the coins come back to my wallet. I've never seen a piece of shit like this. 

[Keyboard-Mash]

Does anybody know how to get rid of 3.15 XMR that I mined at Moneropool.com? I've tried send it to Poloniex in batches of 1.5, 1, 0.5, 0.2... nothings works. Sending over 1.5 does not work, "transaction too big" error. Smallest amounts seems to work at first but minutes later the coins come back to my wallet. I've never seen a piece of shit like this.  

Pools are working on fixing that. It's because of all the dust payments you get in a block making the "size" of the transaction too big. Ex: you will have a bigger transaction if you were to send out 3 monero that you received as 30 payments of .1 MRO rather than sending out 3 MRO that you received as 3 MRO from the pool. It is mostly linear, so if your transaction says 88kB in size is too big for a 23kB in size maximum then usually (if you're pool mining) you can just try to divide by 88/23 = 3.82. I realize this specific example doesn't work for you, but it's just an estimate.

So try to send in less than .5 MRO. I would imagine some kind of input tracker (if possible) would be great so that you could make better judgements in the future.

Fortunately this only has to be done once, once you've minimized the inputs .. the transaction size is always going to be smaller.

Also, are you using the latest daemon?

[jekv2]

So like where is the monero client that is like bitcoin client?

btw there is not bitmonero folder in my %appdata%...

Why are there 4 applications to this thing?

You want illiterate ppl to jump on board where is a guide?

Edit: Already frustrated.

[Keyboard-Mash]

So like where is the monero client that is like bitcoin client?

btw there is not bitmonero folder in my %appdata%...

Why are there 4 applications to this thing?

You want illiterate ppl to jump on board where is a guide?

Edit: Already frustrated.

Sorry if you're frustrated. I know all of your questions are being worked on, based on the devs past responses.

bitmonerod is a client that synchronizes your blockchain and broadcasts transactions/mined blocks.

simplewallet manages your funds.

both are being integrated into a qt wallet very much like bitcoin.

you should have a bitmonero folder in your appdata after you type save into the bitmonerod daemon.

I'll look for a few of the guides that have been worked up, I know someone made a video too.

[smooth]

Can someone please link me to the top addresses for monero?

If there exist such a public list.

As previously indicated the main point of this coin is to not support that (i.e. "private" into the thread subject).

You can in fact create such a list but it doesn't mean anything because on-blockchain addresses are one-time-use so all you are listing are unspent outputs, not public addresses.

Yes if people shared their view keys that would yield more information but I can't see any reason whatsoever why significant number of people would ever do that.

[onemorebtc]

bitmonerod is a client that synchronizes your blockchain and broadcasts transactions/mined blocks.

simplewallet manages your funds.

both are being integrated into a qt wallet very much like bitcoin.

oh noooo...
where do you have that from? i really love the current design of a deamon and a seperate wallet: just talking through well defined rpc commands

[smoothie]

Can someone please link me to the top addresses for monero?

If there exist such a public list.

As previously indicated the main point of this coin is to not support that (i.e. "private" into the thread subject).

You can in fact create such a list but it doesn't mean anything because on-blockchain addresses are one-time-use so all you are listing are unspent outputs, not public addresses.

Yes if people shared their view keys that would yield more information but I can't see any reason whatsoever why significant number of people would ever do that.

Okay that makes sense.

If the one-time addresses were listed in descending order wouldn't that give a list that is worth looking at?

The issue isn't who owns what address or what address is associated with the one-time addresses, the question is based around verifying the current total of monero in circulation.