[XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency

[dreamspark]

hi, i'm the only one with problem sync ing today?

I personally have no syncing issues at present.

[aminorex]

Do you know what would be the killing feature after I2P integration ?

Decentralized asset exchange.

The first crypto to have these two features will be almighty.

I contend that any 2.0 applications reduce rather than increase the value and utility of a 1.0 currency:  The right way to parse the 1.0 domain is along market boundaries, barriers which obstruct or impede liquidity flow.  Anything that raises even a slight barrier to flow reduces the ability of the 1.0 layer to provide frictionless liquidity.

Piggybacking 2.0 functions on top of a 1.0 blockchain abuses the blockchain.  There are better, vastly more efficient ways to fund distributed storage.  There is a reason why powerline internet never took off.  In that analogy, the copper plant is like the blockchain, power is like the currency (1.0) function, and internet and its apps are like the 2.0++ protocols.

Yes, a privacy-enhanced DAE would be a big hit.  No, it should not be embedded in XMR.  It might relate to XMR via side-chains (haven't thought about that much) but please, not in the core.

Trustless liquidity is everything.  

[tacotime]

anyone encountered this:

2014-Jun-10 21:48:30.221484 bitmonero v0.8.8.1(0.1-g328a52a)
2014-Jun-10 21:48:30.257486 Module folder: D:\coin\MRO\MROwallet\bitmonerod.exe
2014-Jun-10 21:48:30.261486 Initializing p2p server...
2014-Jun-10 21:48:30.264486 Binding on 0.0.0.0:18080
2014-Jun-10 21:48:30.290488 Net service binded on 0.0.0.0:18080
2014-Jun-10 21:48:30.292488 Attempting to add IGD port mapping.
2014-Jun-10 21:48:31.701568 ERROR c:\temp\monero\git-experimental\bitmonero-0.8.8update-x64\src\p2p\net_node.inl:247 UPNP_AddPortMapping failed.
2014-Jun-10 21:48:31.707569 P2p server initialized OK
2014-Jun-10 21:48:31.710569 Initializing cryptonote protocol...
2014-Jun-10 21:48:31.712569 Cryptonote protocol initialized OK
2014-Jun-10 21:48:31.715569 Initializing core rpc server...
2014-Jun-10 21:48:31.717569 Binding on 127.0.0.1:18081
2014-Jun-10 21:48:31.720570 Core rpc server initialized OK on port: 18081
2014-Jun-10 21:48:31.723570 Initializing core...
2014-Jun-10 21:48:31.726570 Loading blockchain...
2014-Jun-10 21:48:31.811575 Blockchain initialized. last block: 0, d706.h8.m48.s31 time ago, current difficulty: 1
2014-Jun-10 21:48:31.816575 Core initialized OK
2014-Jun-10 21:48:31.818575 Starting core rpc server...
2014-Jun-10 21:48:31.821575 Run net_service loop( 2 threads)...
2014-Jun-10 21:48:31.833576 [SRV_MAIN]Core rpc server started ok
2014-Jun-10 21:48:31.835576 [SRV_MAIN]Starting p2p net loop...
2014-Jun-10 21:48:31.838576 [SRV_MAIN]Run net_service loop( 10 threads)...
2014-Jun-10 21:48:32.838633 [P2P4]
**********************************************************************
The daemon will start synchronizing with the network. It may take up to several hours.

You can set the level of process detailization* through "set_log <level>" command*, where <level> is between 0 (no details) and 4 (very verbose).

Use "help" command to see the list of available commands.

Note: in case you need to interrupt the process, use "exit" command. Otherwise, the current progress won't be saved.
**********************************************************************
2014-Jun-10 21:48:51.171682 [P2P5]Failed to connect to any of seed peers, continuing without seeds
2014-Jun-10 21:49:08.803691 [P2P9]Failed to connect to any of seed peers, continuing without seeds
2014-Jun-10 21:49:26.114681 [P2P4]Failed to connect to any of seed peers, continuing without seeds
2014-Jun-10 21:49:46.739860 [P2P4]Failed to connect to any of seed peers, continuing without seeds
2014-Jun-10 21:50:04.357868 [P2P7]Failed to connect to any of seed peers, continuing without seeds
2014-Jun-10 21:50:25.019050 [P2P6]Failed to connect to any of seed peers, continuing without seeds


Same computer, QCN and FCN is OK, but MRO fail to connect.

We need more seed peers. Ask someone here for their p2pstate.bin files.

[Ivan166]

Russian thread updated. Hope it's not too late.

[toknormal]

Re. Mintpal - for God's sake don't push for it going on there until there's a slick, user friendly GUI Wallet available for all platforms.

It will just kill the momentum - everyone will be tearing their hair out and venting all over the place on Reddit and Bitcointalk squabble threads.

Better work on the infrastructure until it's at least of a (crypto market) commercial quality, then go more public.

[GreekBitcoin]

Re. Mintpal - for God's sake don't push for it going on there until there's a slick, user friendly GUI Wallet available for all platforms.

It will just kill the momentum - everyone will be tearing their hair out and venting all over the place on Reddit and Bitcointalk squabble threads.

Better work on the infrastructure until it's at least of a (crypto market) commercial quality, then go more public.

There are two thoughts on that. With mintpal the coin will be more known and those that are noobs and cant mine or create a wallet can invest easily before it gets too hard to mine and to pricey.

On the other hand i agree that a gui and some bugs fixes should be fixed before we hit mintpal. At least we need that wiki. Wasnt to be made today?

[dreamspark]

There are two thoughts on that. With mintpal the coin will be more known and those that are noobs and cant mine or create a wallet can invest easily before it gets too hard to mine and to pricey.

Good point, there were people on Cryptonote who hadn't downloaded the wallet for a number of reasons and had to go through the setting up to retrieve their coins.

[toknormal]

On the other hand i agree that a gui and some bugs fixes should be fixed before we hit mintpal. At least we need that wiki. Wasnt to be made today?

Look - I'm an IT professional of 20 years. Been coding all my life.

I'm sitting here having just spent 1 day getting the wallet working, blockchain downloaded, finding out where it needs to be installed, doing all over again because I forgot to type 'Save' .

Now I'm onto phase 2 head scratching - trying to receive funds into my wallet and send them and work out how this 'Payment ID' thing works. I'm absolutely clueless - the 'help' command just shows the syntax for the 'payments' command which seems to take a 'Payment ID' as a parameter, but how that fits in with an actual payment I've no idea. There's also a 'transfer' command that looks like the one to use to make transfers except that it doesn't have a payment ID parameter.

On top of all that, I've already lost about 100 XMR because I transferred exchange to exchange 'the normal way' and it's now disappeared into the 'ether'.

If anyone thinks that traders are going to do anything other than dump this coin IMMEDIATELY they start encountering any of this quagmire then they're living in cloud cuckoo land. They'll just keep it on the exchanges and sell at the first sign of a gain.

This stuff isn't remotely ready to be traded on any kind of scale. It's probably quite an interesting technology underneath, but you can't just chuck this at people and hope for the best - the market will spit it right back out. It has to be digestible for ordinary folks - in particular, that payment ID thing is a huge banana skin, it needs to be thought through and the exchanges need to have a safety mechanism to stop people losing their funds.

P.S. It's all very well saying Bitcoin was 'flaky' at the start, but at that time it was the state of the art. This on the other hand looks like junk compared to what people are used to. The look and feel needs at least to do justice to the advanced state of the underlying technology.

[FFaser]

anyone encountered this:

2014-Jun-10 21:48:30.221484 bitmonero v0.8.8.1(0.1-g328a52a)
2014-Jun-10 21:48:30.257486 Module folder: D:\coin\MRO\MROwallet\bitmonerod.exe
2014-Jun-10 21:48:30.261486 Initializing p2p server...
2014-Jun-10 21:48:30.264486 Binding on 0.0.0.0:18080
2014-Jun-10 21:48:30.290488 Net service binded on 0.0.0.0:18080
2014-Jun-10 21:48:30.292488 Attempting to add IGD port mapping.
2014-Jun-10 21:48:31.701568 ERROR c:\temp\monero\git-experimental\bitmonero-0.8.8update-x64\src\p2p\net_node.inl:247 UPNP_AddPortMapping failed.
2014-Jun-10 21:48:31.707569 P2p server initialized OK
2014-Jun-10 21:48:31.710569 Initializing cryptonote protocol...
2014-Jun-10 21:48:31.712569 Cryptonote protocol initialized OK
2014-Jun-10 21:48:31.715569 Initializing core rpc server...
2014-Jun-10 21:48:31.717569 Binding on 127.0.0.1:18081
2014-Jun-10 21:48:31.720570 Core rpc server initialized OK on port: 18081
2014-Jun-10 21:48:31.723570 Initializing core...
2014-Jun-10 21:48:31.726570 Loading blockchain...
2014-Jun-10 21:48:31.811575 Blockchain initialized. last block: 0, d706.h8.m48.s31 time ago, current difficulty: 1
2014-Jun-10 21:48:31.816575 Core initialized OK
2014-Jun-10 21:48:31.818575 Starting core rpc server...
2014-Jun-10 21:48:31.821575 Run net_service loop( 2 threads)...
2014-Jun-10 21:48:31.833576 [SRV_MAIN]Core rpc server started ok
2014-Jun-10 21:48:31.835576 [SRV_MAIN]Starting p2p net loop...
2014-Jun-10 21:48:31.838576 [SRV_MAIN]Run net_service loop( 10 threads)...
2014-Jun-10 21:48:32.838633 [P2P4]
**********************************************************************
The daemon will start synchronizing with the network. It may take up to several hours.

You can set the level of process detailization* through "set_log <level>" command*, where <level> is between 0 (no details) and 4 (very verbose).

Use "help" command to see the list of available commands.

Note: in case you need to interrupt the process, use "exit" command. Otherwise, the current progress won't be saved.
**********************************************************************
2014-Jun-10 21:48:51.171682 [P2P5]Failed to connect to any of seed peers, continuing without seeds
2014-Jun-10 21:49:08.803691 [P2P9]Failed to connect to any of seed peers, continuing without seeds
2014-Jun-10 21:49:26.114681 [P2P4]Failed to connect to any of seed peers, continuing without seeds
2014-Jun-10 21:49:46.739860 [P2P4]Failed to connect to any of seed peers, continuing without seeds
2014-Jun-10 21:50:04.357868 [P2P7]Failed to connect to any of seed peers, continuing without seeds
2014-Jun-10 21:50:25.019050 [P2P6]Failed to connect to any of seed peers, continuing without seeds


Same computer, QCN and FCN is OK, but MRO fail to connect.

We need more seed peers. Ask someone here for their p2pstate.bin files.

I have the same problem. Does it help to wait or is it essential to get a up-to-date p2pstate.bin file from someone?

[dreamspark]

Now I'm onto phase 2 head scratching - trying to receive funds into my wallet and send them and work out how this 'Payment ID' thing works. I'm absolutely clueless - the 'help' command just shows the syntax for the 'payments' command which seems to take a 'Payment ID' as a parameter, but how that fits in with an actual payment I've no idea. There's also a 'transfer' command that looks like the one to use to make transfers except that it doesn't have a payment ID parameter.

Transfer does have payment id parameter; e.g transfer 0 <address> <amount> <paymentID>

The payment ID is simply a way of tracking a transaction which is necessary as you cant link address like BTC. Its the only way to know what the payment relates to.

On top of all that, I've already lost about 100 XMR because I transferred exchange to exchange 'the normal way' and it's now disappeared into the 'ether'.

You should be able to sort that out with the exchange in fairness it does say this next to where you generate your address...

 Deposit: You MUST send your deposit using the Payment ID below, or it will not be credited.

I think you've really tried to over complicate the payment ID, just think about it like a public message in Bitcoin that allows the person on the other end to see who payed them. When I send coins to myself or to others that know what amount Im sending them I dont use a payment ID at all.

[rangedriver]

Now I'm onto phase 2 head scratching - trying to receive funds into my wallet and send them and work out how this 'Payment ID' thing works. I'm absolutely clueless - the 'help' command just shows the syntax for the 'payments' command which seems to take a 'Payment ID' as a parameter, but how that fits in with an actual payment I've no idea. There's also a 'transfer' command that looks like the one to use to make transfers except that it doesn't have a payment ID parameter.

Transfer does have payment id parameter; e.g transfer 0 <address> <amount> <paymentID>

The payment ID is simply a way of tracking a transaction which is necessary as you cant link address like BTC. Its the only way to know what the payment relates to.

On top of all that, I've already lost about 100 XMR because I transferred exchange to exchange 'the normal way' and it's now disappeared into the 'ether'.

You should be able to sort that out with the exchange in fairness it does say this next to where you generate your address...

 Deposit: You MUST send your deposit using the Payment ID below, or it will not be credited.

I think you've really tried to over complicate the payment ID, just think about it like a public message in Bitcoin that allows the person on the other end to see who payed them. When I send coins to myself or to others that know what amount Im sending them I dont use a payment ID at all.

The payment ID is basically a reference number. I'm inclined to say something like: "How complicated is that to understand?", but to be fair, in the absence of a basic tutorial or introductory literature then it doesn't surprise me that the odd person gets a bit confused. (even though it's not a particularly complicated concept.)

We should work toward getting information streamlined so that such things are more easily digested.

[toknormal]

Transfer does have payment id parameter; e.g transfer 0 <address> <amount> <paymentID>

The payment ID is simply a way of tracking a transaction which is necessary as you cant link address like BTC. Its the only way to know what the payment relates to.

So do I just make up a payment ID off the top of my head when, say, sending to an exchange that requires one ? i.e. it's not something that's generated by the wallet.

What is the "payment" command for in that case - as distinct from the 'transfer' command ?

[Patel]

Transfer does have payment id parameter; e.g transfer 0 <address> <amount> <paymentID>

The payment ID is simply a way of tracking a transaction which is necessary as you cant link address like BTC. Its the only way to know what the payment relates to.

So do I just make up a payment ID off the top of my head when, say, sending to an exchange that requires one ? i.e. it's not something that's generated by the wallet.

What is the "payment" command for in that case - as distinct from the 'transfer' command ?

The payment id is given to you by the exchange/recipient.

[toknormal]

The payment id is given to you by the exchange/recipient.

Ah, ok.

Thanks - I'll give this all a try using a small amount first.

[dreamspark]

Transfer does have payment id parameter; e.g transfer 0 <address> <amount> <paymentID>

The payment ID is simply a way of tracking a transaction which is necessary as you cant link address like BTC. Its the only way to know what the payment relates to.

So do I just make up a payment ID off the top of my head when, say, sending to an exchange that requires one ? i.e. it's not something that's generated by the wallet.

What is the "payment" command for in that case - as distinct from the 'transfer' command ?

payments command allows you to see the transaction, height, amount etc by using just the payment id. Useful to track a payment you are expecting as there is no way to use the block explorer in the same way as BTC.

[GreekBitcoin]

A friend of mine made a simple experimental android widget.

Its v1.0 and not really tested except by me.

It shows:
Price in BTC from poloniex
Price in dollars from coinmarketcap
Volume in dollars from coinmarketcap.
Automatic refresh every 30mins and also refreshing by tapping it.

He will soon add total market cap and total coins. And when we are in more exchanges those too. There are some ideas for more features...

Right now its not on google play store but he will add it probably soon.

If you are interested download it from here: https://mega.co.nz/#!T5gzDRhK!vbPYvTgFStsUEBZUHuI5-13xw2GCLr6vw1LSpDl0sFo

And please make feature requests or tell us about bugs.

If anyone feels like donating: 47g3CVqBdmPZgPEA8m2hjT4aosiNhmELD3jdQVbtbooVGuCjHfY7aBUQo5p2Qirk7629LiFZWH7ZWMZ nSAZ5n7paP7ePThK

UPDATED: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg7239820#msg7239820
UPDATED2:https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg7322514#msg7322514

[TheKoziTwo]

On top of all that, I've already lost about 100 XMR because I transferred exchange to exchange 'the normal way' and it's now disappeared into the 'ether'.

Provide the exchange with txid and I'm sure they will help you out. If you withdrew from cryptonote exchange I'm able to provide txid if you contact us by support ticket and provide amount and address. I had quite a few contact me about this, it appears to be a pretty common mistake unfortunately. Perhaps poloniex should increase the font size of the warning and make it red

[tacotime]

Master has been updated

- New seed nodes added.
- Electrum-style deterministic wallets have been added to help in the recovery of your wallet should you ever need to. It is enabled by default.

https://github.com/monero-project/bitmonero

[toknormal]

payments command allows you to see the transaction, height, amount etc by using just the payment id. Useful to track a payment you are expecting as there is no way to use the block explorer in the same way as BTC.

How does the system ensure that the Payment ID is unique ?

i.e. what's to stop me from entering any old non-unique payment ID like "hello" ?

[TheKoziTwo]

payments command allows you to see the transaction, height, amount etc by using just the payment id. Useful to track a payment you are expecting as there is no way to use the block explorer in the same way as BTC.

How does the system ensure that the Payment ID is unique ?

i.e. what's to stop me from entering any old non-unique payment ID like "hello" ?

It doesn't. You can re-use same payment id as many times as you like.