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Author Topic: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency  (Read 4669574 times)
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June 10, 2014, 04:03:22 PM
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For the sake of clarity can we eradicate all references to bitmonero now? I see some instances on github and elsewhere still using the old term.
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June 10, 2014, 04:07:12 PM
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payments command allows you to see the transaction, height, amount etc by using just the payment id. Useful to track a payment you are expecting as there is no way to use the block explorer in the same way as BTC.

How does the system ensure that the Payment ID is unique ?

i.e. what's to stop me from entering any old non-unique payment ID like "hello" ?


I believe the payment id must be a certain number of characters.
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June 10, 2014, 04:07:58 PM
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For the sake of clarity can we eradicate all references to bitmonero now? I see some instances on github and elsewhere still using the old term.

This will be changed in the coming week as we move to monero-developers on github.

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XMR: 44GBHzv6ZyQdJkjqZje6KLZ3xSyN1hBSFAnLP6EAqJtCRVzMzZmeXTC2AHKDS9aEDTRKmo6a6o9r9j86pYfhCWDkKjbtcns
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June 10, 2014, 04:09:15 PM
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payments command allows you to see the transaction, height, amount etc by using just the payment id. Useful to track a payment you are expecting as there is no way to use the block explorer in the same way as BTC.

How does the system ensure that the Payment ID is unique ?

i.e. what's to stop me from entering any old non-unique payment ID like "hello" ?

It doesn't. You can re-use same payment id as many times as you like.

ok - so the payment ID is just a kind of user annotation on the transaction. Presumably then I can add it even if it isn't needed at the other end but if an exchange specifies one for deposits then I must use their specified one.

Is that it ?
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June 10, 2014, 04:10:54 PM
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On top of all that, I've already lost about 100 XMR because I transferred exchange to exchange 'the normal way' and it's now disappeared into the 'ether'.
Provide the exchange with txid and I'm sure they will help you out. If you withdrew from cryptonote exchange I'm able to provide txid if you contact us by support ticket and provide amount and address. I had quite a few contact me about this, it appears to be a pretty common mistake unfortunately. Perhaps poloniex should increase the font size of the warning and make it red


Yup plus one to that, something tells me they don't mind non referenced payments though as people seem to give up on some things quite easily.

In my opinion they should do what you did, thats the perfect way to help the noobs out, you cant go wrong with copy paste.
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June 10, 2014, 04:11:23 PM
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payments command allows you to see the transaction, height, amount etc by using just the payment id. Useful to track a payment you are expecting as there is no way to use the block explorer in the same way as BTC.

How does the system ensure that the Payment ID is unique ?

i.e. what's to stop me from entering any old non-unique payment ID like "hello" ?

It doesn't. You can re-use same payment id as many times as you like.

ok - so the payment ID is just a kind of user annotation on the transaction. Presumably then I can add it even if it isn't needed at the other end but if an exchange specifies one for deposits then I must use their specified one.

Is that it ?

Yep. The exchange assigns a payment id to a user and when payment is incoming to that payment id they will know which user to credit. All users send payment to the same monero address, so there is only one way to know who sent the funds, and that is using payment id.

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June 10, 2014, 04:12:57 PM
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payments command allows you to see the transaction, height, amount etc by using just the payment id. Useful to track a payment you are expecting as there is no way to use the block explorer in the same way as BTC.

How does the system ensure that the Payment ID is unique ?

i.e. what's to stop me from entering any old non-unique payment ID like "hello" ?

It doesn't. You can re-use same payment id as many times as you like.

ok - so the payment ID is just a kind of user annotation on the transaction. Presumably then I can add it even if it isn't needed at the other end but if an exchange specifies one for deposits then I must use their specified one.

Is that it ?

Yep. The exchange assigns a payment id to a user and when payment is incoming to that payment id they will know which user to credit. All users send payment to the same monero address, so there is only one way to know who sent the funds, and that is using payment id.

Exchanges use it to link a particular payment to your account, but there are probably many more applications. It's really just a small piece of data you can attach to a transaction.

Monero's privacy and therefore fungibility are MUCH stronger than Bitcoin's. 
This makes Monero a better candidate to deserve the term "digital cash".
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June 10, 2014, 04:14:14 PM
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ok - so the payment ID is just a kind of user annotation on the transaction. Presumably then I can add it even if it isn't needed at the other end but if an exchange specifies one for deposits then I must use their specified one.

Is that it ?

Yes. You should use unique payment IDs each time, otherwise your tx will become linked together.

Code:
XMR: 44GBHzv6ZyQdJkjqZje6KLZ3xSyN1hBSFAnLP6EAqJtCRVzMzZmeXTC2AHKDS9aEDTRKmo6a6o9r9j86pYfhCWDkKjbtcns
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June 10, 2014, 04:16:30 PM
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anyone encountered this:

2014-Jun-10 21:48:30.221484 bitmonero v0.8.8.1(0.1-g328a52a)
2014-Jun-10 21:48:30.257486 Module folder: D:\coin\MRO\MROwallet\bitmonerod.exe
2014-Jun-10 21:48:30.261486 Initializing p2p server...
2014-Jun-10 21:48:30.264486 Binding on 0.0.0.0:18080
2014-Jun-10 21:48:30.290488 Net service binded on 0.0.0.0:18080
2014-Jun-10 21:48:30.292488 Attempting to add IGD port mapping.
2014-Jun-10 21:48:31.701568 ERROR c:\temp\monero\git-experimental\bitmonero-0.8.8update-x64\src\p2p\net_node.inl:247 UPNP_AddPortMapping failed.
2014-Jun-10 21:48:31.707569 P2p server initialized OK
2014-Jun-10 21:48:31.710569 Initializing cryptonote protocol...
2014-Jun-10 21:48:31.712569 Cryptonote protocol initialized OK
2014-Jun-10 21:48:31.715569 Initializing core rpc server...
2014-Jun-10 21:48:31.717569 Binding on 127.0.0.1:18081
2014-Jun-10 21:48:31.720570 Core rpc server initialized OK on port: 18081
2014-Jun-10 21:48:31.723570 Initializing core...
2014-Jun-10 21:48:31.726570 Loading blockchain...
2014-Jun-10 21:48:31.811575 Blockchain initialized. last block: 0, d706.h8.m48.s31 time ago, current difficulty: 1
2014-Jun-10 21:48:31.816575 Core initialized OK
2014-Jun-10 21:48:31.818575 Starting core rpc server...
2014-Jun-10 21:48:31.821575 Run net_service loop( 2 threads)...
2014-Jun-10 21:48:31.833576 [SRV_MAIN]Core rpc server started ok
2014-Jun-10 21:48:31.835576 [SRV_MAIN]Starting p2p net loop...
2014-Jun-10 21:48:31.838576 [SRV_MAIN]Run net_service loop( 10 threads)...
2014-Jun-10 21:48:32.838633 [P2P4]
**********************************************************************
The daemon will start synchronizing with the network. It may take up to several hours.

You can set the level of process detailization* through "set_log <level>" command*, where <level> is between 0 (no details) and 4 (very verbose).

Use "help" command to see the list of available commands.

Note: in case you need to interrupt the process, use "exit" command. Otherwise, the current progress won't be saved.
**********************************************************************
2014-Jun-10 21:48:51.171682 [P2P5]Failed to connect to any of seed peers, continuing without seeds
2014-Jun-10 21:49:08.803691 [P2P9]Failed to connect to any of seed peers, continuing without seeds
2014-Jun-10 21:49:26.114681 [P2P4]Failed to connect to any of seed peers, continuing without seeds
2014-Jun-10 21:49:46.739860 [P2P4]Failed to connect to any of seed peers, continuing without seeds
2014-Jun-10 21:50:04.357868 [P2P7]Failed to connect to any of seed peers, continuing without seeds
2014-Jun-10 21:50:25.019050 [P2P6]Failed to connect to any of seed peers, continuing without seeds


Same computer, QCN and FCN is OK, but MRO fail to connect.

We need more seed peers. Ask someone here for their p2pstate.bin files.

I have the same problem. Does it help to wait or is it essential to get a up-to-date p2pstate.bin file from someone?
Guys, im sorry to repeat the question but im stil not getting any peer connection. If that p2pstate.bin really helps could someone send it to me pls? Or perhaps its a better idea to set a link to the up-to-date file into the main post of the thread.
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June 10, 2014, 04:21:29 PM
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Guys, im sorry to repeat the question but im stil not getting any peer connection. If that p2pstate.bin really helps could someone send it to me pls? Or perhaps its a better idea to sat a lint to the uptodate file into the main post of the thread.

Im sending you a link to my dropbox in a PM, give me 5.
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June 10, 2014, 04:26:30 PM
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The latest github repo has all new seednodes in it.

Alternatively, please start the daemon with the following flags:

bitmonerod --seed-node 62.210.78.186:18080 --seed-node 195.12.60.154:18080 --seed-node 54.241.246.125:18080 --seed-node 107.170.157.169:18080 --seed-node 54.207.112.216:18080 --seed-node 78.27.112.54:18080 --seed-node 209.222.30.57:18080 --seed-node 80.71.13.55:18080 --seed-node 107.178.112.126:18080

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June 10, 2014, 04:30:03 PM
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Yep. The exchange assigns a payment id to a user and when payment is incoming to that payment id they will know which user to credit. All users send payment to the same monero address, so there is only one way to know who sent the funds, and that is using payment id.

ok - great.

You guys have been really helpful considering my slightly antagonistic post earlier.

Much appreciated.
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The latest github repo has all new seednodes in it.

Alternatively, please start the daemon with the following flags:

bitmonerod --seed-node 62.210.78.186:18080 --seed-node 195.12.60.154:18080 --seed-node 54.241.246.125:18080 --seed-node 107.170.157.169:18080 --seed-node 54.207.112.216:18080 --seed-node 78.27.112.54:18080 --seed-node 209.222.30.57:18080 --seed-node 80.71.13.55:18080 --seed-node 107.178.112.126:18080
Thank you. That seem to work. At least hes downloading the blocks now.
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June 10, 2014, 04:33:53 PM
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ok - so the payment ID is just a kind of user annotation on the transaction. Presumably then I can add it even if it isn't needed at the other end but if an exchange specifies one for deposits then I must use their specified one.

Is that it ?

Yes. You should use unique payment IDs each time, otherwise your tx will become linked together.

You mean they'll be linked together from the exchange point of view?

What is the maximum length of the payment ID? Is it long enough to provide a monero address?

Monero's privacy and therefore fungibility are MUCH stronger than Bitcoin's. 
This makes Monero a better candidate to deserve the term "digital cash".
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June 10, 2014, 04:38:00 PM
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You mean they'll be linked together from the exchange point of view?

What is the maximum length of the payment ID? Is it long enough to provide a monero address?

You will be able to search the blockchain after for all tx that have that payment ID, because it's cleartext. Of course, it doesn't necessarily mean tx are related, but if you keep using the same ID to send to the exchange...

256-bits.

Code:
XMR: 44GBHzv6ZyQdJkjqZje6KLZ3xSyN1hBSFAnLP6EAqJtCRVzMzZmeXTC2AHKDS9aEDTRKmo6a6o9r9j86pYfhCWDkKjbtcns
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June 10, 2014, 04:40:26 PM
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You mean they'll be linked together from the exchange point of view?

What is the maximum length of the payment ID? Is it long enough to provide a monero address?

You will be able to search the blockchain after for all tx that have that payment ID, because it's cleartext. Of course, it doesn't necessarily mean tx are related, but if you keep using the same ID to send to the exchange...

256-bits.

so if i want you to think that i have a lot of money i send a tx with my exchange paymentid to myself? overandover again Wink

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June 10, 2014, 05:04:38 PM
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A Mac OS X (10.9) GUI Wallet and Miner (for mropool.org) can be downloaded from mropool.org (direct link: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/cnywy3xsncfgcfq/Monero%20Wallet-0.2.zip).

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/rjzqoq8nof19zbh/Monero-Wallet.png

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/cmcejy3bs4j1zgb/Monero-Miner.png
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June 10, 2014, 05:17:18 PM
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Can someone give me directions to a guide how to gpu mine this coin? Is it still profitable?
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June 10, 2014, 05:29:34 PM
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Can someone give me directions to a guide how to gpu mine this coin? Is it still profitable?

I was just about to ask this same question Smiley

Trade crypto? Check out Quatloo Trader - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=711966.0
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June 10, 2014, 05:33:07 PM
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How do I calculate the amount of XMR I can make mining given my hashrate? I want to know if it's worth it for me or not.

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