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June 21, 2014, 03:07:09 PM
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Is this coin better or worse than BBR ? ,BBR has made lot of new improvement

YES!
ok, many people said so too ,BRR came out later  ,but made  more innovation

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June 21, 2014, 03:09:10 PM
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Is this coin better or worse than BBR ? ,BBR has made lot of new improvement

YES!
ok, many people said so too ,BRR came out later  ,but made  more innovation

BBR has a private gpu miner since their algoritihm isn't Cryptonote(which doesnt have a private gpu miner, and is mostly cpu only), it's Wild Keccak. According to posts I've read, the guys using that Private Gpu Miner used to get as much as 7,000 BBR per day, per person...I also saw a 80,000 BBR sell order a few days ago....

Boolberry has been instamined just like quarkcoin and darkcoin.

EDIT: changed is getting to used to get
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June 21, 2014, 03:25:09 PM
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Is this coin better or worse than BBR ? ,BBR has made lot of new improvement

YES!
ok, many people said so too ,BRR came out later  ,but made  more innovation

BBR has a private gpu miner since their algoritihm isn't Cryptonote(which doesnt have a private gpu miner, and is mostly cpu only), it's Wild Keccak. According to posts I've read, the guys using that Private Gpu Miner get as much as 7,000 BBR per day, per person...I also saw a 80,000 BBR sell order a few days ago....

Boolberry has been instamined just like quarkcoin and darkcoin.

Not really fair to say that about BBR.  XMR was mined by a few people for the first week using hundreds of EC2 instances.  There were some that mined at least 50,000 XMR in the beginning before the coin got on the radar.  Then there were people buying up tens of thousands of coins before it was on an exchange and was dirt cheap.

There is no need to start a "this coin is better than that coin" between XMR and BBR.  The two coins are both better than the plethora of bitcoin clones.  They seem to be working together and sharing the improvements they make.  The best thing for both coins is cooperation and support from the users of both coins.  I'm guilty myself of taking sides but I hold both coins and want them both to succeed.  I think cryptonote coins are the future of anonymous coins but they have a tough road ahead taking the reigns from a certain coin.  Cooperation will make that road much easier to travel.
   
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June 21, 2014, 04:37:31 PM
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If not 0.02 it will be a number between 0.015 to 0.020 for sure as soon as monero gets listed on mintpal. After that, who knows where the roof is going to be...

Don't forget to vote guys
https://www.mintpal.com/voting
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June 21, 2014, 04:37:43 PM
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Not really fair to say that about BBR.  XMR was mined by a few people for the first week using hundreds of EC2 instances. 
Imo discussion about Monero can't be based on fairness.
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June 21, 2014, 04:38:16 PM
Last edit: June 21, 2014, 04:52:40 PM by darkota
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Is this coin better or worse than BBR ? ,BBR has made lot of new improvement

YES!
ok, many people said so too ,BRR came out later  ,but made  more innovation

BBR has a private gpu miner since their algoritihm isn't Cryptonote(which doesnt have a private gpu miner, and is mostly cpu only), it's Wild Keccak. According to posts I've read, the guys using that Private Gpu Miner get as much as 7,000 BBR per day, per person...I also saw a 80,000 BBR sell order a few days ago....

Boolberry has been instamined just like quarkcoin and darkcoin.

Not really fair to say that about BBR.  XMR was mined by a few people for the first week using hundreds of EC2 instances.  There were some that mined at least 50,000 XMR in the beginning before the coin got on the radar.  Then there were people buying up tens of thousands of coins before it was on an exchange and was dirt cheap.

There is no need to start a "this coin is better than that coin" between XMR and BBR.  The two coins are both better than the plethora of bitcoin clones.  They seem to be working together and sharing the improvements they make.  The best thing for both coins is cooperation and support from the users of both coins.  I'm guilty myself of taking sides but I hold both coins and want them both to succeed.  I think cryptonote coins are the future of anonymous coins but they have a tough road ahead taking the reigns from a certain coin.  Cooperation will make that road much easier to travel.
  

Not true...only 7% of all XMR has been mined and most by people on their cpu's, EC2 only came into the game later on, weeks after XMR was first launched and had a decent size community(after it changed from Bitmonero).... I was here since the beginning looking around, thought I didnt buy any xmr sadly.

Though I agree, there's no need to have a fight between two innovative coins. PCE OUT.
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June 21, 2014, 04:42:28 PM
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Using Claymore cryptonote miner v3.1 on r9 280x and getting around 360h/s. Readme say 450h/s. Bat:

set GPU_MAX_ALLOC_PERCENT 100
NsGpuCNMiner.exe -o stratum+tcp://

I have custom setting virtural memory set to inital: 16384 (MB) and max: 65536
am I missing something?

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June 21, 2014, 05:05:09 PM
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Using Claymore cryptonote miner v3.1 on r9 280x and getting around 360h/s. Readme say 450h/s. Bat:

set GPU_MAX_ALLOC_PERCENT 100
NsGpuCNMiner.exe -o stratum+tcp://

I have custom setting virtural memory set to inital: 16384 (MB) and max: 65536
am I missing something?



What version drivers are you using? 13.12?? If not thats why your hash rate is lower.
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June 21, 2014, 05:11:14 PM
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What version drivers are you using? 13.12?? If not thats why your hash rate is lower.

 using 13.12  Huh What should my max VM be?
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June 21, 2014, 05:13:27 PM
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Using Claymore cryptonote miner v3.1 on r9 280x and getting around 360h/s. Readme say 450h/s. Bat:

set GPU_MAX_ALLOC_PERCENT 100
NsGpuCNMiner.exe -o stratum+tcp://

I have custom setting virtural memory set to inital: 16384 (MB) and max: 65536
am I missing something?


Buy Asus DC2T card Wink
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June 21, 2014, 05:14:40 PM
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New M7u version of yam miner is available. Major addition in this release is support for many new coins - DVK,MYR,BCN,QCN,FCN and XMR.

yam M7u supports FantomCoin CryptoNight merged mining of FCN-XMR, FCN-BCN and FCN-QCN - check readme.txt and default config for details.

yam M7u has special algorithm variation for faster CryptoNight mining on AMD CPUs, resulting in 360+ H/s on AMD FX-8320 at stock freqs.

Primary download location for yam M7u is https:/[Suspicious link removed]/whkQyh2XA2
Alternative download location for yam M7u is http:/[Suspicious link removed]/A9c5GryPBy
Chinese users may donwload yam M7u at http:/[Suspicious link removed]/qsWEtQEMhZ

Enjoy.


With FX-8320 i should use bdver2 version? Can you post your config? I only have 240-260 H/s with 8 threads.

I get 440H/s on my 8320 @ 4.4ghz on Ubuntu 64, where I was getting 330H/s on Windows 7x64. All using wolf's miner @ -t 7.

Where can I download the yam M7u ?

OK - I found it.... do I download the Win 7 sandy bridge version for my E5-2650 ES QA82 CPU ?
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June 21, 2014, 05:15:48 PM
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There is no need to start a "this coin is better than that coin" between XMR and BBR.  The two coins are both better than the plethora of bitcoin clones.  They seem to be working together and sharing the improvements they make.  The best thing for both coins is cooperation and support from the users of both coins.  I'm guilty myself of taking sides but I hold both coins and want them both to succeed.  I think cryptonote coins are the future of anonymous coins but they have a tough road ahead taking the reigns from a certain coin.  Cooperation will make that road much easier to travel.
   
Agree. I'm sick of this "altcoins war" but i want to admit that market economy and economy of altcoins makes us argue and start holywars just to provide someone's liquidity
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June 21, 2014, 05:18:31 PM
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    Monero Status Android Widget

    A friend of mine made an android widget and app.


    Updates:
    • Difficulty Showing in app
    • You can choose Bittrex exchange
    • Volume for each exchange

    Updates 2:
      • You can choose Bter exchange
      • Total Volume also taken from exchanges and not only from coinmarketcap
      • Refreshing one widget refreshes all widgets
      • Bug Fixes

      Download: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=tr.monerostatus
      The second update might not be already on google store, it takes a few hours for google to update...



      If anyone feels like donating: 47g3CVqBdmPZgPEA8m2hjT4aosiNhmELD3jdQVbtbooVGuCjHfY7aBUQo5p2Qirk7629LiFZWH7ZWMZ nSAZ5n7paP7ePThK
      Many thanks to the three donators! Cheesy

      P.S. Ask about more features and tell us about bugs![/list][/list]
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      June 21, 2014, 05:18:41 PM
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      Then there were people buying up tens of thousands of coins before it was on an exchange and was dirt cheap.

        

      As someone mention once, cheapest XMR he bought were 0.0005 btc, i think one of devs posted that. Just 2 weeks ago, i bought them at 0.0017. That is point of fair start that XMR was newer really cheap, noone got milion or even 1000 coins for almost free. Well, they might be cheap 10 days ago.


      actually, you can check price for May/June on Poloniex, before that is chart posted on Monero forum:

      http://www.monero.cc/price-chart/index.html
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      June 21, 2014, 05:19:25 PM
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      Is this coin better or worse than BBR ? ,BBR has made lot of new improvement

      YES!
      ok, many people said so too ,BRR came out later  ,but made  more innovation

      BBR has a private gpu miner since their algoritihm isn't Cryptonote(which doesnt have a private gpu miner, and is mostly cpu only), it's Wild Keccak. According to posts I've read, the guys using that Private Gpu Miner get as much as 7,000 BBR per day, per person...I also saw a 80,000 BBR sell order a few days ago....

      Boolberry has been instamined just like quarkcoin and darkcoin.

      The private GPU miner WAS making 5,000-7,000 BBR per day. He is making less than a 1/3 of that now.  

      CPU mining improvements are made daily.
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      June 21, 2014, 05:21:02 PM
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      What version drivers are you using? 13.12?? If not thats why your hash rate is lower.

       using 13.12  Huh What should my max VM be?

      I dont know man, It could be just your card? I am using PowerColor 280x and I get 466-468. I did not touch memory settings, here is my config:

      setx GPU_MAX_ALLOC_PERCENT 100

      NsGpuCNMiner.exe -o stratum+tcp://
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      June 21, 2014, 05:21:56 PM
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      Is this coin better or worse than BBR ? ,BBR has made lot of new improvement

      YES!
      ok, many people said so too ,BRR came out later  ,but made  more innovation

      BBR has a private gpu miner since their algoritihm isn't Cryptonote(which doesnt have a private gpu miner, and is mostly cpu only), it's Wild Keccak. According to posts I've read, the guys using that Private Gpu Miner get as much as 7,000 BBR per day, per person...I also saw a 80,000 BBR sell order a few days ago....

      Boolberry has been instamined just like quarkcoin and darkcoin.

      The private GPU miner WAS making 5,000-7,000 BBR per day. He is making less than a 1/3 of that now.  

      CPU mining improvements are made daily.

      Oh ok Ill edit it from is to was.
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      June 21, 2014, 05:32:12 PM
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      740 Million? Are you kidding me? Diff is too high! =D
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      June 21, 2014, 05:34:10 PM
      Last edit: June 21, 2014, 06:02:46 PM by BitCoinDream
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      Mandatory upgrade to 0.8.8!
      ››› Windows 64-bitWindows 32-bitOSXLinux •  Source code ‹‹‹


      monero.cc

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      Monero (XMR) is a new privacy-centric coin using the CryptoNote protocol (see below for more information). The open source reference implementation of CryptoNote was coded from scratch based on the CryptoNote reference implementation, and is not a fork of Bitcoin.

      Monero aims to be a fungible and untraceable digital medium of exchange. It intrinsically has a higher degree of anonymity than Bitcoin or any of its various forks. It was launched on April 18, 2014 (preannounced and no premine/IPO/etc.).


      Announcements

      June 18 - Monero Missives #3 includes an ongoing peer review of the CryptoNote whitepaper and an update on transaction auto-splitting and the GUI wallet.

      June 10 - Monero Missives #2 includes the release of a new deterministic mnemonic wallet feature that allows easy wallet backup as well as the creation of an offline, cold wallet.

      June 2 - This week's updates are in the Monero Missives #1.

      May 29 - Mandatory upgrade to 0.8.8 to fix an overly aggressive block size penalty. Please do not send funds using the older version of the wallet software, as it will use the incorrect fee, and your transaction will take several days to either arrive or fall out the mempool.


      Features

      • Untraceable payments
      • Unlinkable transactions
      • Blockchain analysis resistance
      • Adaptive parameters

      Details in the CryptoNote white paper.


      Specifications

      • PoW algorithm: CryptoNight [1]
      • Max supply: ~18.4 million [2]
      • Block reward: Smoothly varying [3]
      • Block time: 60 seconds
      • Difficulty: Retargets at every block

      [1] CPU + GPU mining (about 1:1 performance for now). Memory-bound by design using AES encryption and several SHA-3 candidates.
      [2] Actual number of atomic units is M = 264 - 1. A minimum subsidy may be implemented in the future with <1% inflation to preserve mining incentives.
      [3] Uses a recurrence relation. Block reward = (M - A) * 2-20 * 10-12, where A = current circulation. Roughly 86% mined in 4 years (see graph).


      Official downloads and links

      Getting Started - Follow the guide to set up the software and start mining.

      Source and binaries


      Blockchain (faster sync)


      Development
      Open-source GUI - bounty 2600 XMR

      Donations for general development

      XMR:
      Code:
      46BeWrHpwXmHDpDEUmZBWZfoQpdc6HaERCNmx1pEYL2rAcuwufPN9rXHHtyUA4QVy66qeFQkn6sfK8aHYjA3jk3o1Bv16em
      viewkey: e422831985c9205238ef84daf6805526c14d96fd7b059fe68c7ab98e495e5703

      BTC:
      Code:
      1FhnVJi2V1k4MqXm2nHoEbY5LV7FPai7bb


          Unofficial downloads and links

          GUI
          All current GUIs are in beta, but they should be fairly safe to use because they work through bitmonerod and simplewallet from the main code.


          Miners


          Forum


          Exchanges


          Pools
          Spread around the hashrate! Join the smaller pools to improve network health.
          To be mentioned here, a pool must at least 1) be working 2) be open-source 3) not have a large portion of the network.


          Explorers


          Other tools:


          FAQ

          What is CryptoNote?

          CryptoNote is the technology that allows creation of privacy-centric cryptocurrencies. You can visit their website here. The level of anonymity provided by CryptoNote isn't possible with Bitcoin code base by design. Bytecoin (BCN) was the CryptoNote reference implementation, and XMR is based on BCN's code.

          Two of the main features of CryptoNote are ring signatures that mask sender identities by mixing and one-time keys that make transactions unlinkable. Their combined effect gives a high degree of anonymity without any extra effort on the part of the user.

          Unlike Bitcoin, your funds are not held in the address you give out to others. Instead, every time you receive a payment it goes to an unlinkable address generated with random numbers. When you decide to spend the funds in that one-time address, the amount will be broken down and the components will be indistinguishable from identical outputs in the blockchain.

          For example if 556.44 XMR are sent, the protocol will break it down into 500 + 50 + 6 + 0.4 + 0.04 and a ring signature will be performed with other 500's, 50's, 6's, 0.4's, and 0.04's in the blockchain. Unlike the "CoinJoin" mixing method, CryptoNote mixes outputs not transactions. This means no other senders need to be participating with you at the same time or with the same amounts. Any arbitrary amount sent at any time can always be rendered fundamentally indistinguishable (a mathematical proof is given in the white paper).

          The degree of anonymity is also a choice rather than decided by the protocol: do you want to be hidden as one among five or one among fifty? The size of the signature grows linearly as O(n+1) with the ambiguity so greater anonymity is paid for with higher fees to miners.

          Ring signatures are explained below. Reproduced from CryptoNote:

          A normal signature looks like this. There's only one participant, which allows one-to-one mapping.




          A ring signature obscures identities because it only proves that a signer belongs to a group.




          This allows a high level of anonymity in cryptocurrency transactions. You can think of it as decentralized and trustless mixing.




          How does this compare to other anonymous solutions?

          Ring signatures originate from the work of Rivest et al. in 2001 and the implementation in CryptoNote relies in particular on Fujisaki and Suzuki's work on traceable ring signatures. There are two other anonymity implementations currently available or in development. One is ZeroCoin/ZeroCash's use of zero-knowledge proofs. The others are based on gmaxwell's CoinJoin idea (such as mixing services for Bitcoin or the altcoin Darkcoin).

          1. Comparison with ZeroCoin and ZKP-based approaches:

          You can read about ZeroCoin and zero-knowledge proofs (ZKP) here. The ZK environment allows an anonymity set that includes everyone in the network because the validity of an output can be proven without knowing the corresponding public key until it is spent. The largest risk is that this is recent research-level cryptography that hasn't been subjected to years of cryptanalysis, so exploits may emerge down the road. Ring signatures are much simpler and more mature, with many peer-reviewed papers published over more than a decade.

          Other issues with ZKP include the RSA private key used to initiate the accumulator, which must be trusted to be destroyed by the generating party. It also obscures the entire economy, not just sender/receiver identities. If the ZK system is compromised, then an attacker can continuously spend coins that don't exist using false proofs. This damage is hidden from everybody due to total blinding and consequently at any given time it's not possible to know if the network has already been compromised. There is a tradeoff between these inherent risks and the maximal anonymity set provided by ZKP. CryptoNote aims for a different balance through the dual layers of privacy provided by one-time keys and ring signatures.

          2. Comparison with CoinJoin-based approaches:

          XMR is more qualitatively similar to mixing implementations like CoinJoin. The differences arise in the departure from the Bitcoin protocol, which allows XMR to use new cryptography to provide decentralized and trustless mixing of superior quality. The critical problem with mixing services is the need to trust the operators. As an example, blockchain.info's mixer gives the following disclaimer: "However if the server was compromised or under subpoena it could be force to keep logs. If this were to happen although you haven't gained any privacy you haven't lost any either."

          The CoinJoin-inspired Darkcoin performs mixing with selected "masternodes" since it still uses ordinary signatures that can be mapped one-to-one. The motivation is that a randomly selected node is less likely than a single service to exhibit bad faith (such as keeping logs) . In practice, a few VPS companies host the vast majority of nodes and this approach relies on the integrity and good behavior of these nodes. XMR's more fundamental cryptographic approach doesn't have these vulnerabilities and the quality of anonymity is much higher.

          XMR's ring signatures are also far more secure and convenient than CoinJoin because they mix outputs not transactions. This means a transaction doesn't involve waiting around for other senders to mix with. Nor is a user restricted to mixing only if others are sending the same amount. Arbitrary amounts can be sent at any time without anyone else's participation. This feature makes a timing analysis of the blockchain useless.


          Overview of a transaction

          Bob decides to spend an output, which was sent to the one-time public key. He needs Extra (1), TxOutNumber (2), and his Account private key (3) to recover his one-time private key (4).

          When sending a transaction to Carol, Bob generates its Extra value by random (5). He uses Extra (6), TxOutNumber (7) and Carol's Account public key (8) to get her Output public key (9).

          In the input Bob hides the link to his output among the foreign keys (10). To prevent double-spending he also packs the Key image, derived from his One-time private key (11).

          Finally, Bob signs the transaction, using his One-time private key (12), all the public keys (13) and Key Image (14). He appends the resulting Ring Signature to the end of the transaction (15).




          Other

          I want to help with development / design / marketing...

          Please PM us. Wink

          I want to integrate XMR in my sevices (pools, exchanges, etc.)...

          Please ask for assistance in #monero-dev on Freenode.

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          References

          CryptoNote technology page: https://cryptonote.org/inside.php
          CryptoNote white paper: https://cryptonote.org/whitepaper.pdf
          CryptoNote forum: https://forum.cryptonote.org/[/list]

          If the coin is untraceable, how come the merchant will know whether the customer has paid in this coin ?

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          June 21, 2014, 05:35:34 PM
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          If the coin is untraceable, how come the merchant will know whether the customer has paid in this coin ?

          In BTC you only have a private key which allows you to spend.
          Monero uses ring signatures which means you have two keys: a viewkey and a privatekey.

          you need the viewkey to see incoming transactions and the privatekey to spent them.

          so the merchant uses his viewkey to see when he gets paid

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