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April 18, 2011, 03:19:04 PM
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Satoshi is Number One. Or perhaps Two, or Six.

Be seeing you.

Seven.  Of nine?

"The powers of financial capitalism had another far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent meetings and conferences. The apex of the systems was to be the Bank for International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the world's central banks which were themselves private corporations. Each central bank...sought to dominate its government by its ability to control Treasury loans, to manipulate foreign exchanges, to influence the level of economic activity in the country, and to influence cooperative politicians by subsequent economic rewards in the business world."

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April 18, 2011, 06:34:35 PM
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Honestly, I doubt that Satoshi is actually Japanese. His writing syntax just doesn't fit.
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April 18, 2011, 06:38:17 PM
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Honestly, I doubt that Satoshi is actually Japanese. His writing syntax just doesn't fit.

I agree.  Also, there remains no Japanese translation of the primary documents, nor of the main Bitcoin webpage.

"The powers of financial capitalism had another far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent meetings and conferences. The apex of the systems was to be the Bank for International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the world's central banks which were themselves private corporations. Each central bank...sought to dominate its government by its ability to control Treasury loans, to manipulate foreign exchanges, to influence the level of economic activity in the country, and to influence cooperative politicians by subsequent economic rewards in the business world."

- Carroll Quigley, CFR member, mentor to Bill Clinton, from 'Tragedy And Hope'
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April 18, 2011, 07:54:37 PM
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I agree.  Also, there remains no Japanese translation of the primary documents, nor of the main Bitcoin webpage.

This thread prompted me to see if anybody owned the domain name "bitcoin.jp".  Nobody did.  So now I own it.  It now redirects to bitcoin.org.

I figured that with a Japanese-sounding founder name, and biggest exchange being in Japan, that ".jp" would have relevance - at least far more than Italy (.it).



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April 18, 2011, 08:04:13 PM
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and biggest exchange being in Japan,


Wait, are you saying MtGox is hosted in Japan?  I though that the founder was from New York State.

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- Carroll Quigley, CFR member, mentor to Bill Clinton, from 'Tragedy And Hope'
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April 18, 2011, 08:11:25 PM
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and biggest exchange being in Japan,


Wait, are you saying MtGox is hosted in Japan?  I though that the founder was from New York State.

I don't really know, other than I heard it was sold to another company, and now it says Tibanne Co, Japan on the bottom of the home page.  And its operator became somewhat unresponsive following the disaster for a short while, according to other threads.  Where it's physically hosted, etc, I didn't look.

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April 18, 2011, 08:24:26 PM
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Wait, are you saying MtGox is hosted in Japan?  I though that the founder was from New York State.

The original owner was located in the US, though he moved to Europe. MagicalTux now owns it from Japan.

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April 18, 2011, 08:38:53 PM
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A few questions I have that might as well be answered here rather than anywhere else:

Does Satoshi approve which changes make it into the new official Bitcoin updates? Is he this project's "Benevolent Dictator for Life?"

How long did Satoshi mine Bitcoins as the only miner in the world before he released the software / when did Bitcoin become released for the general public to mine? Did Satoshi sit on an entire years' worth of mined blocks before he released this for other people to mine?

Do not waste your time debating whether Bitcoin can work. It does work.

"Early adopters will profit" is not a sufficient condition to classify something as a pyramid or Ponzi scheme. If it was, Apple and Microsoft stock are Ponzi schemes.

There is no such thing as "market manipulation." There is only buying and selling.
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April 18, 2011, 08:47:53 PM
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A few questions I have that might as well be answered here than anywhere else:

Does Satoshi approve what changes make it into the new official Bitcoin updates?

Not anymore.  Gavin Andresen is the lead programmer on the main client.

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How long did Satoshi mine Bitcoins as the only miner in the world before he released the software / when did Bitcoin become released for people to mine?

Less than a day, I believe.  Both started sometime in Jan of 2009, but the exact details are available on the wiki.
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Did Satoshi sit on an entire years' worth of mined blocks before he released this for other people to mine?

No, and it's pretty obvious that his machine wasn't particularly powerful, as in the very beginning (looking at the charts from blockexployer) it would take hours between blocks in the very beginning even at the minimum difficulty of 1.  It didn't take long at all before others were jumping into the game and mining alongside of Satoshi.  For perspective, the difficulty is a ratio metric, and the currenty difficulty of 92,348 means that the current "target" is roughly 92,348 times more computationally intensive than the minimum.  I have no doubt that Satoshi mined a large number of coins, but there is no way to know if he still has them.

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April 18, 2011, 11:40:59 PM
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I have no doubt that Satoshi mined a large number of coins, but there is no way to know if he/she/it/they still have them.

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April 19, 2011, 08:46:40 AM
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April 19, 2011, 11:02:55 PM
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slashme wonders if our dear Sattie knew Bitcoin would be his ticket to reaching mythological status

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April 19, 2011, 11:39:44 PM
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slashme wonders if our dear Sattie knew Bitcoin would be his ticket to reaching mythological status

I'm just anticipating the first "Satoshi Sightings" website ... maybe he's from a distant advanced civilisation that came here to progress things past a dangerous phase into a new era?

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April 20, 2011, 02:21:31 AM
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slashme wonders if our dear Sattie knew Bitcoin would be his ticket to reaching mythological status

I'm just anticipating the first "Satoshi Sightings" website ... maybe he's from a distant advanced civilisation that came here to progress things past a dangerous phase into a new era?

I can already see it.
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April 24, 2011, 07:48:49 AM
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I'm surprised nobody has suggested that gavin is satoshi.

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April 24, 2011, 07:58:32 AM
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I'm surprised nobody has suggested that gavin is satoshi.

Satoshi used to discuss with Gavin on this very forum.

I very much doubt Satoshi would be paranoiac enough to simulate a dialog with an other person, just in order to hide his identity.
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April 24, 2011, 08:05:19 AM
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I'm surprised nobody has suggested that gavin is satoshi.

Satoshi used to discuss with Gavin on this very forum.

I very much doubt Satoshi would be paranoiac enough to simulate a dialog with an other person, just in order to hide his identity.

I do it all the time. My other nickname is grondilu.

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April 24, 2011, 08:31:07 AM
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I'm surprised nobody has suggested that gavin is satoshi.

Satoshi used to discuss with Gavin on this very forum.

I very much doubt Satoshi would be paranoiac enough to simulate a dialog with an other person, just in order to hide his identity.

He's done everything else necessary to hide his identity.

Also, Gavin is from Australia - where British spelling prevails.  So that is in line with what sjb noted about Satoshi's writing style.

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April 24, 2011, 08:59:51 AM
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I'm surprised nobody has suggested that gavin is satoshi.

Satoshi used to discuss with Gavin on this very forum.

I very much doubt Satoshi would be paranoiac enough to simulate a dialog with an other person, just in order to hide his identity.

He's done everything else necessary to hide his identity.

Also, Gavin is from Australia - where British spelling prevails.  So that is in line with what sjb noted about Satoshi's writing style.

So Gavin would be Satoshi??   Naahhh, I just don't buy it.

I actually still believe that Satoshi Nakamoto is his real name, that he is japanese but probably lives in US or UK.
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April 24, 2011, 09:28:12 AM
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I actually still believe that Satoshi Nakamoto is his real name, that he is japanese but probably lives in US or UK.


Given his expert cryptography and programming knowledge, I find it hard to believe that he has not published a single academic paper, not even a master thesis, not made a single conference presentation, not posted on a single forum (except this one), and not been involved in any other open source coding projects.

Why would he use his real name just with Bitcoin and not other projects?

Perhaps he is a 15-year old self-taught genius, but the more plausible explanation is that he is a professional cryptographer who chose a pseudonym to protect himself against bullying.

Also, why would a 15-year old genius use LaTeX to publish the Bitcoin white paper? LaTeX is a specialised package used almost exclusively in academia.

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