GOP - Rand Paul's Presidential Highlight Reel w/ his Libertarian Twist

[Chef Ramsay]

BASED ON 287 RESPONDENTS WHO DESCRIBE THEMSELVES AS REPUBLICANS AND 186
WHO DESCRIBE THEMSELVES AS INDEPENDENTS WHO LEAN REPUBLICAN, FOR A
TOTAL OF 473 REPUBLICANS -- SAMPLING ERROR: +/- 4.5 PERCENTAGE PTS.

May 2-4 2014

Bush 13%
Paul 13%
Ryan 12%
Huckabee 10%
Christie 9%
Perry 8%
Cruz 7%
Walker 7%
Rubio 6%
Santorum 2%
Someone else (vol.) 4%
None/No one (vol.) 4%
No opinion 7%

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2014/05/06/cnn-2016-poll-bush-and-paul-tied-for-top-spot-in-crowded-gop-field/
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2014/images/05/06/rel5d.pdf

[bryant.coleman]

There is very little chance of Rand Paul winning the race. Even if he is ahead, the other "mainstream" Republicans such as Bush and Huckabee would gang-up together to defeat him.

[beetcoin]

politics is about fundraising.. it's about who can stroke billionaire cocks. ie: rupert murdoch, koch brothers, soros, shelden adelson.

[compro01]

Meanwhile, on the other side of the fence, there's simply no real competition for the nomination, as Clinton gets 66%, with the nearest competition being Biden at 11%.

11% - Biden
3% - Booker
66% - Clinton
3% - Cuomo
1% - Gillibrand
2% - O'Malley
1% - Schweitzer
0% - Warner
5% - Warren
Someone else/undecided - 7%.

If you take Clinton out of the picture, Biden takes the lead with 37% and other/undecided jumps to 27%

Remove both Clinton and Biden and it becomes a tie between Warren and Cuomo with 19% each and 37% other/undecided.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2014/PPP_Release_National_314.pdf

[bryant.coleman]

^^^ So it is almost certain that Billary will become the next POTUS? It will be a disaster, for both the US citizens and people from other countries. I still remember her adventures from Bosnia:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I23fjRN-PGc

[bryant.coleman]

Guys, this is really amazing... unbelievable!

Rand Paul Tops Hillary Clinton in 2016 Presidential Poll

http://news92fm.com/437161/rand-paul-tops-hillary-clinton-in-2016-presidential-poll/

Dartmouth College reports Paul beats Hillary Rodham Clinton with a slim, two-point lead among likely New Hampshire voters, 38-36. Meanwhile, a host of other Republican hopefuls trail the former Secretary of State and First Lady.

[Littleshop]

Guys, this is really amazing... unbelievable!

Rand Paul Tops Hillary Clinton in 2016 Presidential Poll

http://news92fm.com/437161/rand-paul-tops-hillary-clinton-in-2016-presidential-poll/

Dartmouth College reports Paul beats Hillary Rodham Clinton with a slim, two-point lead among likely New Hampshire voters, 38-36. Meanwhile, a host of other Republican hopefuls trail the former Secretary of State and First Lady.

Clinton is a pretty clear winner in that race nationwide.  

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_paul_vs_clinton-3825.html

I would like to see Christie vs Clinton.  While RCP still has Clinton in the lead, I think Christie would win.   

[Kluge]

Useless speculation from way-too-early data (and they included Christie? Really??): Assuming there is no Cruz and Cruz goes mostly to Paul and Ryan (instead of Perry and Bush), Paul and Ryan cannot both compete and win unless both Bush and one other in "that subfaction" (Perry, Huckabee, or Santorum) also run, though Bush would still likely win unless Rubio endorsed either Paul or Ryan, where it'd become a pretty level playing field.

You can count Huckabee, Perry, and Santorum as Bush, while Cruz(?) and Rubio can be counted as either Ryan or Paul. Wildcards are made up of Christie and Walker. Most likely, the "tea party" subfaction will be split up while the "establishment" subfaction will only consist of the most likely victor (Bush or Huckabee). During play-out, I imagine the vast majority of money will back Bush for a lack of known stances nation-wide and that ability to be "convictionally flexible" while fundraising.

I'll go ahead and make my prediction now just for the sake of being able to look back and laugh:
(establishment) Bush - 33%
(compromise) Cruz - 28%
(radical) Paul - 16%
(weird old uncle) Unknown guy like Herman Cain who pops up out of nowhere next year - 14%
Stragglers: 9%

Dem side has a lot of unknowns. Very weak candidates. I don't know half the people listed, though I think Warren would be a smart choice for them, which is why I doubt she'll be in the primary. Booker T Washington has 3%?? I doubt Hillary could run.

I'll crystal-ball for them, too:
(compromise) Cuomo - 39%
(establishment) Unknown person who pops out of the woodworks - 20%
Stragglers: 17%
(weird old uncle) Biden - 14%
(radical) Other unknown person - 10%


Unimaginable to have a Dem next term, but with an opponent like Bush, very possible. ETA: Dem establishment candidate may be Rahm Emanuel who's "endorsed" Clinton.

[bryant.coleman]

I would like to see Christie vs Clinton.  While RCP still has Clinton in the lead, I think Christie would win.   

Christie is not an ideal candidate for the GOP. I would prefer Rand Paul over Chris Christie anytime. But still, it is almost impossible for a GOP candidate to win the elections, given the demographic changes within the general population.

[Charlie Prime]

Anyone who believes it matters which pre-selected actor becomes POTUS is a fool.

[hilariousandco]

Useless speculation from way-too-early data (and they included Christie? Really??):

Aren’t these polls usually anything but useless speculation?

Rand isn't going to win anything and I had no idea Jeb Bush was running. I've got a feeling Hilary will get in next term. We've had the first black President now it'll be time for the first female one. Wake me up when there's a gay atheist who isn't a multi-millionaire in the running.

[beetcoin]

^^^ So it is almost certain that Billary will become the next POTUS? It will be a disaster, for both the US citizens and people from other countries. I still remember her adventures from Bosnia:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I23fjRN-PGc

it was almost certain that hilary would win the primaries in 2008 and eventually go on to defeat the less popular mccain.. but that didn't happen. it's still too early to know what's going to happen.

either way, i tore up my state ballot this year.. and i'm definitely not voting for someone with a (D) or (R) next to their name.

[Chef Ramsay]

^^^ So it is almost certain that Billary will become the next POTUS? It will be a disaster, for both the US citizens and people from other countries. I still remember her adventures from Bosnia:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I23fjRN-PGc

it was almost certain that hilary would win the primaries in 2008 and eventually go on to defeat the less popular mccain.. but that didn't happen. it's still too early to know what's going to happen.

either way, i tore up my state ballot this year.. and i'm definitely not voting for someone with a (D) or (R) next to their name.

Yeah, I won't be voting for the GOP top of the ticket if Rand isn't the nominee, that's for sure. I'm an ancap that stands w/ Rand as he's the only one that would even remotely get us some sort of Constitutional government again and from there, we can tinker it over time towards real laissez faire capitalism. I really like his pitch of Economic Freedom Zones to the inner city folk and it's really resonating business types from all backgrounds making him the go-to guy that can offer a true republican party renaissance away from the neocons.

[Littleshop]

I would like to see Christie vs Clinton.  While RCP still has Clinton in the lead, I think Christie would win.   

Christie is not an ideal candidate for the GOP. I would prefer Rand Paul over Chris Christie anytime. But still, it is almost impossible for a GOP candidate to win the elections, given the demographic changes within the general population.

Actually pulling away from this hardcore tea party crap would bring in many Regan Democrats.  Many people see Christie as someone who will be able to bridge both sides of the isle and do things that are better for the country than just one party.

I think Christie is the only Republican so far that could actually win. 

[beetcoin]

^^^ So it is almost certain that Billary will become the next POTUS? It will be a disaster, for both the US citizens and people from other countries. I still remember her adventures from Bosnia:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I23fjRN-PGc

it was almost certain that hilary would win the primaries in 2008 and eventually go on to defeat the less popular mccain.. but that didn't happen. it's still too early to know what's going to happen.

either way, i tore up my state ballot this year.. and i'm definitely not voting for someone with a (D) or (R) next to their name.

Yeah, I won't be voting for the GOP top of the ticket if Rand isn't the nominee, that's for sure. I'm an ancap that stands w/ Rand as he's the only one that would even remotely get us some sort of Constitutional government again and from there, we can tinker it over time towards real laissez faire capitalism. I really like his pitch of Economic Freedom Zones to the inner city folk and it's really resonating business types from all backgrounds making him the go-to guy that can offer a true republican party renaissance away from the neocons.

sorry, but i think rand is someone who is only posing as a libertarian.. he's in bed with the billionaires and corporations who run the country.

I would like to see Christie vs Clinton.  While RCP still has Clinton in the lead, I think Christie would win.   

Christie is not an ideal candidate for the GOP. I would prefer Rand Paul over Chris Christie anytime. But still, it is almost impossible for a GOP candidate to win the elections, given the demographic changes within the general population.

Actually pulling away from this hardcore tea party crap would bring in many Regan Democrats.  Many people see Christie as someone who will be able to bridge both sides of the isle and do things that are better for the country than just one party.

I think Christie is the only Republican so far that could actually win. 

he was looking like the frontrunner until bridgegate and then the coverup... plus how NJ appropriated the funds from the disaster a few years ago. he is the same as every other politician, except he was more effective in fooling us.

[bryant.coleman]

Actually pulling away from this hardcore tea party crap would bring in many Regan Democrats.  Many people see Christie as someone who will be able to bridge both sides of the isle and do things that are better for the country than just one party.

I think Christie is the only Republican so far that could actually win. 

Christie was unable to do anything significant in New Jersey, and his popularity is sharply eroding. What makes you think that he will be good for the POTUS election? He hasn't tried anything to fix New Jersey's budget for the current fiscal year... instead he is giving media interviews and blaming everyone else for the problem.

[tvbcof]

From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_gubernatorial_election,_1998

Ventura's victory as a third party candidate was considered a historic major upset. He ran on the Reform Party ticket, a party which was founded by two-time presidential candidate Ross Perot ...

He's still out there and making noises about a run.  I'd say it's a long-shot, of course, but not completely beyond possible.  Especially since a lot of Progressives like myself would vote for Santaclaus before Clinton.  And I'll bet that a lot of Conservatives will feel that way about whatever candidate the repubs end up with.

In some interview I saw recently Ventura's answer to the question of his first act as president was 'Pardon Snowden and Manning.'  That was enough to get my vote right there

[beetcoin]

from the available pool of candidates, i'd have to guess either rand paul or jeb bush will get the nod.. depends who does the better job of sniffing billionaire ass.

From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_gubernatorial_election,_1998

Ventura's victory as a third party candidate was considered a historic major upset. He ran on the Reform Party ticket, a party which was founded by two-time presidential candidate Ross Perot ...

He's still out there and making noises about a run.  I'd say it's a long-shot, of course, but not completely beyond possible.  Especially since a lot of Progressives like myself would vote for Santaclaus before Clinton.  And I'll bet that a lot of Conservatives will feel that way about whatever candidate the repubs end up with.

In some interview I saw recently Ventura's answer to the question of his first act as president was 'Pardon Snowden and Manning.'  That was enough to get my vote right there

i like hilary more than christie. though she's going to continue on the path we're on, at least she's not playing the game of winning political points.. at least not to the scale of chris christie.

[bryant.coleman]

He's still out there and making noises about a run.  I'd say it's a long-shot, of course, but not completely beyond possible.  Especially since a lot of Progressives like myself would vote for Santaclaus before Clinton.  And I'll bet that a lot of Conservatives will feel that way about whatever candidate the repubs end up with.

In some interview I saw recently Ventura's answer to the question of his first act as president was 'Pardon Snowden and Manning.'  That was enough to get my vote right there

Ventura is having no chance of gaining more than 5% of the votes, let alone winning the POTUS elections. He will only make Billary's victory margin higher, by taking away votes from the GOP.

[beetcoin]

you know, i like jesse ventura.. even if he does seem a bit looney, a lot of the things he says makes sense. he totally schooled piers morgan, and actually won his crowd over during an interview on CNN