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Author Topic: [ANN][URO] A Real Long Term Currency: 1 Uro = 1 Metric Tonne Urea Fertilizer  (Read 247320 times)
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July 11, 2014, 03:33:23 PM
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The only reason they so desperate for newbies to buy URO is because some whales exited URO yesterday and left a lot of BAGHolder holding URO at a substantial loss.
Now they need sheeps to recover their money Roll Eyes


the coin was yesterday at 0.007 not at 0.010 - you should find more sustainable arguments - this one is just bs, the p&d just helps the whale to accumulate more coins
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July 11, 2014, 03:33:53 PM
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FAct about URO with this so called secret company:
-NO offices, no registered licence , No address
-No purchase of urea
-Coin was not developed ,the Chinese guy behind it merely use a coin clone service
-Twitter and website appear to be active a few weeks ago
-Fake forged documents
-Fabricated email claiming Urea was bought with URO
-Official GES AU confirms they have no idea what is URO
-Simple mathematic will show if indeed this secret UREA was bought it will be sold at a 90% loss from the suppliers, which makes no sense


+1000
URO IS A SCAM.

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https://i.imgur.com/MDw6c3I.jpg
I'm no facial recognition expert but....  Grin

Left is a happy and proud Bohan, right is an exhausted Bohan that hasn't slept for 3 days, woke up to a crash and calmed the community after the bullshit FUD you posted about URO, his eyes are almost popping out.
You have no credibility anymore altcoinherald, GTFO.

Dude, if I can crash a 'multi-million dollar' coin with one blog post then I have more credibility than everyone else in the altcoin industry.

Think about that for a second.  Grin

actually they look liek the same guy to me... honestly.

Right that is an exhausted Bohan that hasn't slept for 3 days. It seems legit.
I've never seen a guy so mad as 'Bohan' was in a video chat before. It was really unnerving watching that.

People asked him questions and he responded that they were 'f**cking stupid.'

He also said you either have 'faith' in URO or GTFO. That's generally not the most comforting thought for investors. This ain't religion, after all.


Really? What else did you expect? He is getting asked the same stupid question a million times over, only a matter of time before he snaps, as any other human would.
I really wish you would grow a pair of balls and identify yourself by name altcoinherald. Grin

Haha if it is a legit deal he has no reason to snap at anyone as he could just sit back and watch it grow and profit.  Being so bitterly defensive didn't help his case IMO.
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July 11, 2014, 03:34:51 PM
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For those who are still influenced by this group of FUDERS you can watch yesterdays interview here :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsHF0C_gPck&feature=youtu.be
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Really? What else did you expect? He is getting asked the same stupid question a million times over, only a matter of time before he snaps, as any other human would.
I really wish you would grow a pair of balls and identify yourself by name altcoinherald. Grin

He never will. If it's a scam, he'll get 'taken out' quietly somewhere. If it's real, he is in so much fucking libel trouble he might as well kill himself.
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I'm no facial recognition expert but....  Grin




This is the worst fud ever  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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First of all my apologies for quoting the whole OP.
Looks like every1 is jumping on the running train.

Please please as a request read, paying special attention to the blog and the road map.
Thanks in advance for your understanding.

If you are new to this thread/Uro, please read the thread highlights on our blog at:

urofoundation.wordpress.com

Most likely a lot of your questions and concerns have already been addressed in the blog entries.
For quick answers to questions - free free to ask on #URO FreeNode IRC channel. There are 60 people waiting to answer your queries.




Currency Specifications

Algorithm: X11 PoW
Target Block Time: 3 minutes
Block Reward: 12 Uro
Difficulty Retargeting Algorithm: Safe Gravity Well
Genesis Block Premine: 0 Uro
Total Units: 1,000,000 Uro over first 6 months, then 100,000 per year (to cater for anticipated 10% increase in trading volume increase per annum based on our projections of the Urea industry's growth globally).
Standard Mined Block Maturity: 40 Confirmations
Recommended Transaction Confirmations: 6
Default RPC Port: 36348

Follow us on Twitter @UroFoundation
Like us on Facebook at: facebook.com/urofoundation
Freenode IRC: #URO
Reddit: http://reddit.com/r/Urocoin

Exchanges

http://bittrex.com/Market/?MarketName=BTC-URO
https://poloniex.com/exchange/btc_uro
https://www.mintpal.com/market/URO/BTC

Block Explorers:

http://cryptexplorer.com/chain/Uro
http://uroexplorer.cryptocuttlefish.cc/chain/Urocoin

Market Cap Charts:

http://www.cryptocoinrank.com/Urocoin
http://worldcoinindex.com/
http://coinmarketcap.com

Network Difficulty/Hashrate Charts:

http://data.mycryptoco.in/#Uro
http://liteshack.com/?coin=uro
http://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/hashrate-uro.html

Rich List

http://www.cryptocuttlefish.cc/uro_rich_list.php

Uro in the Press

CoinDesk: http://www.coindesk.com/things-alt-dogecoin-wedding-ire-isracoin-crypto-commodities-go-wild/
CryptoArticles: http://www.cryptoarticles.com/crypto-news/uro-a-real-long-term-cryptocurrency-backed-by-urea-fertilizer
X-Labs: http://www.xlabstudio.com/analysis.html
CoinSource: http://www.coinssource.com/crypto-coins/uro/

The Uro Foundation (uro.io) Email: foundation@uro.io



From left to right:

Nilesh Nair - CEO of Green Earth Systems Limited (HK)
Mohammad Haghighi - QA Engineer at Uro Foundation
Dr Mukul A. Desai - Chairman of Uro Foundation
Bohan Huang - Currency Development Officer of Uro Foundation

Wallets

Windows, Mac OS X and Linux (source code): https://github.com/uro-/uro/releases

Linux build instructions (These commands set the correct permissions for a clean build):

Code:
cd Uro/src/leveldb
make clean
rm Makefile
wget https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/raw/master/src/leveldb/Makefile
chmod 775 * -R
make
make libmemenv.a
cd ..
make -f makefile.unix USE_UPNP=1

Simplified Mining

1. Download sph-sgminer for AMD GPUs, ccminer for nVidia GPUs or xcoin-miner for CPUs.

2. Create a 'run-sgminer.bat', 'run-ccminer.bat' or 'run-minerd.bat' batch file as shown in the below examples to invoke the miner app.

Example sgh-sgminer.bat:

AMD 7850/7870/7950/7970/R9-280/R9-280X/R9-290/R9-290X:
Code:
sgminer -k x11mod -o POOL_URL -u USERNAME -p PASSWORD -I 15 -g 2 --thread-concurrency 8192 -w 128

Example ccminer.bat:

Code:
ccminer.exe --algo=x11 -o POOL_URL -u USERNAME -p PASSWORD

Example run-minerd.bat:

Code:
minerd.exe -a X11 -o POOL_URL -u USERNAME -p PASSWORD -t 2

3. Please either use a trusted P2Pool node or a standard pool with less then 30% or the network hashrate (jumping on a pool with more then 30% of the hashrate places unnecessary strain on the pool server, increases the rejection ratio, and can result in blockchain forks, more orphans and potential lost of mined funds)

Still download and run the wallet to help strengthen the network.

Tested and verified P2Pool nodes (no registration required + instant per block payouts):
Code:
stratum+tcp://uro.altmine.net:35347 -u URO_WALLET_ADDR -p x
stratum+tcp://p2pool.palim.eu:35347 -u URO_WALLET_ADDR -p x
stratum+tcp://p2poolcoin.com:35347 -u URO_WALLET_ADDR -p x
stratum+tcp://ca.p2poolcoin.com:35347 -u URO_WALLET_ADDR -p x

Standard mining pools (payouts after maturation):

https://uro.suprnova.cc/
https://pool.trademybit.com/pools/URO/
https://coinking.io
http://www.royalminers.com/
http://pool.mycryptoco.in/

Goals

a. To setup a Distributed Urea Exchange for the efficient international trade of the world's most important fertilizer for food production: Urea (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urea)

b. To provide a medium of exchange stabilized via backing to the true and undeniable international value of Urea, the world's most important fertilizer commodity that is responsible for 50%+ of total world food production.  

The need for a Distributed Urea Exchange

The international Urea market is incredibility inefficient, with very poor liquidity and a complete lack of agreement on pricing. The wholesale price of Urea can vary be as much as 300% between different markets, nations and regions.

Now if we were talking about the trade of designer handbags, this would not be such a big problem, but no, we are talking about 50% of the world's food production being jeopardized by 300% price fluctuations. Real farmers - especially small to medium peasant class agricultural families who do not have access to insider information and deep connections in the current closed room trading regimes and tendering processes, are suffering daily and horrifically - having to lose crops and livelihoods over the inability to access affordable fertilizer.

Food shortages are being predicted by many independent experts worldwide and the creation of a international, distributed, consistent, honest, fast and efficient Urea Exchange is what we believe to be a vital part of the solution to this crisis. If all crops in the future can be fully planted and properly fertilized, we can avoid the impeding disaster.

Milestone 1 - Achieved on 09/06/2014

The Uro Foundation has forged an agreement amongst several international Urea trading partners to back each unit of Uro with 1 metric tonne of Urea in order to certify the Uro cryptocurrency network as an officially operational exchange for Urea. The enforcement of this agreement is in the form of the Uro Protocol, which was ratified by all 4 Urea trading company board members of the Uro Foundation on 09/06/2014. The Uro Protocol and the accompanying instruments of ratification can be found on the official Uro Foundation website. A zip archive of the original lossless versions of instruments of ratification have been embedded into the Bitcoin blockchain via Proof of Evidence and can be downloaded here.

Milestone 2 (IN PROGRESS: to be achieved within 6 months after launch)

* All software below are open source licensed under GPLv3 unless the origin code base is incompatible - in which we will fallback to GPLv2, LGPL, Apache or MIT in that order.
* Community involvement is welcome if you want to contribute programming time, PM or email to foundation@uro.io.

  • Under development:

    1. Nuro: an Android, iOS, and Windows Phone hybrid mobile app made with Intel XDK for managing a "Virtual Account" Uro wallet. Virtual Accounts are brain wallets that deterministically map a username and password combination to an address/private key via client-side Javascript. The web server side of the solution only broadcasts client-side signed payments and reads data from the blockchain - so there will be no risk to funds if the server is compromised - this architecture also permits multiple servers for scalability - similar to the way Electrum works. The solution can run over https://github.com/bitcoinjs or cloud platforms like BlockCypher and APICoin. This app has a quick single tap feature to show the unspent balance of a paper wallet by scanning its QR code. The app also has a feature to exchange fiat currency/BTC to Uro via local exchange APIs. So far, only Coinbase (USA) supports automated, secure third party authentication via OAuth as well as a buy API call - but once the app works with Coinbase, adaptation to other nations/exchanges will be easy when they start providing OAuth and buy API calls (for other exchanges: at the moment, the current API Key authentication method can be used, but the user has to manually to create an API Key from the exchange website - quite a few exchanges also do not have a buy API call). The Uro will come from a hot wallet that is regularly replenished via purchases of Uro from cryptocurrency exchanges like Bittrex.

    2. Two party and 3 party (escrow) Javascript client side web tools for Uro adapted from https://bit2factor.org/ and https://bitescrow.org/

  • Planned for implementation after the above have been completed:

    1. Local block explorer based on https://github.com/etotheipi/PyBtcEngine

    2. Virtual Account compatible desktop SPV light wallet using bitcoinj based backend with simplified GUI based on https://github.com/pavel4n/vertigowallet.org

    3. Embedding of two party and 3 party transaction features into the SPV lite wallet.

    4. Decentralized DNS based on Namecoin, with the main purpose to:

        a) resolve 10 digit IDs to paper wallet addresses along with a accompanying tool to generate these paper wallets and automatically register the 10 digit ID.

        b) provide easier to remember names for instant messaging

  • Pending results of feasibility study:

    1. Automated phone/SMS system for checking unspent balance of paper wallets via 10 digit IDs - feasibility is based on access to telephones/mobiles by the intended users (farmers).

    2. Extension of the hybrid mobile app to facilitate Uro purchase via PayPal Donations API (which accepts credit cards directly as well as PayPal funds and bank accounts in many of countries). The main feasibility issue is of course the PayPal policies on this matter - which is under investigation.

    3. Direct instant messaging via Uro addresses in the wallet based on https://github.com/talkcoin,  https://github.com/Bitmessage or another solution. At the moment it is not clear it these feature can port easily to the mobile wallet - further investigation is needed to determine feasibility.

We have already started development of stage 2 marketing materials and general public facing instruction web sites on how to trade Urea via Uro using the wallet for beginners including farmers. We will raise funds to provide secure trading PCs to farming communities that will both introduce them to internet access as well as Uro trading. Finally these trading PCs will run an improved client we are developing based on the compact Electrum UI that will have integrated blockchain based mail, Two-factor (BIP38) Escrow as well as a distributed and digitally signed Green Address Book so that farmers can securely communicate with and transact Urea via Uro with sellers and traders worldwide.

Milestone 3 (within 9 months after launch)

By now we would have achieved a fully functional Urea exchange. we will then move to establish more Uro Foundation board positions from the cryptocurrency, farming and Urea supply chain community to oversee the long term growth and maintenance of the Uro network.

Milestone 4 (within 12 months after launch)

The Uro Foundation will start implementing its first important initiative at the physical ground level: setting up regional Urea collection points for farmers to exchange there Uro for Urea.

Traditional Mining

Mining pool are not always an optimum part of the solution because they centralize and commercialize the supposedly distributed mining process - creating the potential for both stability and fraud problems. We are showing everybody how to configure several GPU and CPU instances to point to a single wallet on your LAN to create your own scalable miners. This style of mining forces users to run the full node wallet which increases both the availability and performance the transaction broadcast system, the most important part of a payment network. For those that cannot run the full node wallet - we has listed some tested pools at the bottom of this post.

Due to Uro's short but safe 3 minute block time everyone will have a good chance of finding a block within a 30 day period without the high orphan rate experienced by many altcoins with shorter block times.

Direct links to mining apps and config file contents have been posted below so everyone can join in the way it was and is supposed to be - running full nodes instead of just jumping on the largest mining pool, crashing the servers and causing the network to grind to a halt because nobody else is running a full node. This is also a fun and practical way of learning the basics of the wallet's intended operation as a full node, the wallet daemon's RPC communication mechanism and the interaction of the mining program with the daemon.

Windows Mining Instructions

1. Open the wallet and allow full communication with private and public networks when asked by the Windows Firewall. Let the wallet initialize the blockchain database.

2. If possible, please check that UPnP is enabled in your router and in the wallet - this will help strengthen the network by providing more full node P2P connection paths with other users:



3. Temporarily close the wallet by going to File > Exit.

4. Open Windows Explorer (My Computer) and navigate to %appdata%\Uro. Create a new text file called uro.conf file here:



5. Generate 2 random codes using the random.org password generator , we will use one of these codes for username and the other for the password.

6. Open the uro.conf file with Notepad and change the 'user=' and 'pass=' to the generated values. Also set 'rpcallowip=' to your LAN ip range (e.g. if your LAN has IP addresses like 192.168.1.xxx, use 'rpcallowip=192.168.1.*'):

Code:
rpcuser=<RANDOM.ORG_CODE_1>
rpcpassword=<RANDOM.ORG_CODE_2>
rpcallowip=<127.0.0.1_OR_LOCAL_IP_ADDRESS_OR_LOCAL_IP_SUBNET_ADDRESS_RANGE>
rpcport=36348
server=1
listen=1
addnode=128.199.204.45
addnode=23.226.228.25
addnode=uro.altmine.net
addnode=14.18.203.37
addnode=62.210.139.65
addnode=162.243.193.232
addnode=188.226.239.21
addnode=ca.p2poolcoin.com
addnode=p2poolcoin.com
addnode=p2pool.palim.eu

7. Open the wallet again. We recommend turning on the options "Start Uro on system login", "Minimise to the tray instead of the taskbar", and "Minimise on close".

8. Download sph-sgminer for AMD GPUs, ccminer for nVidia GPUs or xcoin-miner for CPUs.

9. Create a 'run-sgminer.bat', 'run-ccminer.bat' or 'run-minerd.bat' batch file as shown in the below examples to invoke the miner app. Use the IP address of the PC running the wallet in place of "127.0.0.1" if running multiple miners in your LAN. Run the batch file to start mining.

Example sgh-sgminer.bat:

AMD 7850/7870/7950/7970/R9-280/R9-280X/R9-290/R9-290X:
Code:
sgminer -k x11mod -o http://127.0.0.1:36348 -u user -p pass -I 15 -g 2 --thread-concurrency 8192 -w 128

Example ccminer.bat:

GTX 750:
Code:
ccminer50.exe -o http://127.0.0.1:36348 -u user -p pass
GTX 780:
Code:
ccminer35.exe -o http://127.0.0.1:36348 -u user -p pass
GTX 650/660/670/680/760/770:
Code:
ccminer30.exe -o http://127.0.0.1:36348 -u user -p pass

Example run-minerd.bat:

Code:
minerd.exe -a X11 -o http://192.168.1.253:36348 -u user -p pass -t 2

10. If you still want to use a pool, please either use a trusted P2Pool node or a standard pool with less then 30% or the network hashrate (jumping on a pool with more then 30% of the hashrate places unnecessary strain on the pool server, increases the rejection ratio, and can result in blockchain forks, more orphans and potential lost of mined funds)

Still download and run the wallet to help strengthen the network even if you are using a mining pool.

Tested and verified P2Pool nodes (no registration required + instant per block payouts):
Code:
stratum+tcp://uro.altmine.net:35347 -u URO_WALLET_ADDR -p x
stratum+tcp://p2pool.palim.eu:35347 -u URO_WALLET_ADDR -p x
stratum+tcp://p2poolcoin.com:35347 -u URO_WALLET_ADDR -p x
stratum+tcp://ca.p2poolcoin.com:35347 -u URO_WALLET_ADDR -p x

Standard mining pools (payouts after maturation):

https://uro.pool.enterprises/
https://uro.suprnova.cc/
https://pool.trademybit.com/pools/URO/
https://coinking.io
http://www.royalminers.com/
http://pool.mycryptoco.in/

Finally please understand that over a period of 1 month, your earnings are the same no matter if you are solo or pool mining. A pool only reduces short term variance

URO ON BLOCKCYPHER CROWDFUNDING INTITIATIVE

BlockCypher is the most cost effective and scalable infrastructure for building secure lightweight wallets and other apps around a blockchain cryptocurrency. We have tested BlockCypher extensively over the last month (on their BTC port) and have found it to be the most reliable and fastest API for mobile wallets. For Uro, BlockCypher is the ideal solution for delivering secure and high performance wallets for low speed internet connections. BlockCypher allows us to do the following without directly communicating with the Uro blockchain from mobile devices (A slow, bandwidth intensive and battery draining exercise, as any BitcoinJ based android wallet user can attest):

1. Create transactions in the cloud at high speed, then sign them on the device: fast and safe
2. Display latest transactions when the user wants to see them, instead of constantly listening for new transactions: saves battery
3. Fast, cloud powered single shot transaction broadcasts via the cloud: saves bandwidth and time
4. Redundant servers running in datacentres: high availability without latency in waiting to connect to nodes

The cost of setting up Uro on BlockCypher is a once off $6000 while the monthly redundant cloud hosting cost is $200. This is significantly more affordable then APICoin, who charges $1000 per month. The CEO of BlockCypher, Catheryne Nicholson, has agreed to help us in transparently facilitating the crowdfunding by coming on to the forum (or other crowdfunding platform we choose as a community) and posting an official BlockCypher BTC address so that all donations/pledges go directly into funding BlockCypher's Uro port.

As a community, lets brainstorm the best way to quickly crowdfund CypherBlock for Uro so we can get Nuro released as soon as possible. BlockCypher will also usher in a whole new era of app opportunities for anyone that wants to develop for Uro. Post your comments here and on reddit.

Recommended points of discussion:

a. Which platform: here on the forum or elsewhere?
b. Promotion: tips and strategies.

Alternative API discussions are also welcome as long the functionality is on par with or better then BlockCypher.

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July 11, 2014, 03:37:43 PM
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Here's an analogy that will help concerned people understand why a urea seller today would accept 12,500 URO for 12,500 tonnes or urea when the price of URO is so low...

It's simply a permanent store of wealth. Urea has a limited shelf life. The producer can't store urea for 5 years then sell it so what can they do to retain their value? Simple, accept 12,500 URO for equivalent purchase of urea today.

Take a look at gold in 1900, it was only $20 usd per ounce but is stable today well over $1000 usd per ounce. http://www.onlygold.com/coins/Gold-Double-Eagles.asp

In 1900 a lot of experts knew that the value of gold had the potential to reach over $1000 but they weren't willing to pay it because they can keep the gold for 100 years because gold will last 100 years. The is really no difference between gold and URO except for one major feature. URO protocol means that 1 URO = 1 tonne of urea. Obviously URO will last forever (like gold) and it's a store of wealth. Even if it takes 100 years to reach $300 per URO it's still a store of wealth. With URO you have the option of accepting it for urea and keeping it or you can go out any day in the future and get 1 tonne of urea or sit on URO for 100 years and watch it reach 300 usd. The interesting thing is though what happens if there is some world event that causes market price of 1 tonne of urea to reach $1000 per tonne? Simple, now 1 URO = $1000 Smiley....

Look at what happened to the phosphate market (also a component of fertilizer). In the mid 2000's phosphate skyrocketed in price from $50 per tonne to almost $450 per tonne. This could happen to urea prices, there is no reason that they can't skyrocket to over $3,000 per tonne

http://www.infomine.com/investment/metal-prices/phosphate-rock/all/  

So in theory if you own only 10 URO and some earthquake or drought causes a lower worldwide supply of urea and send urea price to $3,000 per tonne your 10 URO are now worth $30,000 USD !!

This explanation completely flies in the face of the reality of business.
Urea sellers are not speculators, and if they were they wouldn't be stupid enough to take a risk on Uro anyway.
They have bills to pay on a daily basis that get paid by selling Uro that day. They may take profits but their margins are not anywhere near being able to give urea away for free for 5 years. Holy shit a 10 year old wouldn't buy this.
Every day they have bills to employees, utilities, taxes, many other expenses. They pay these with sales of urea that occur with an immediacy that does not allow for speculation. End of this ridiculous point.

I understand what you're saying for sure. They can pay the bills with the thousands of dollars that they save in broker fees, bank fees and all of the middlemen along the way. The buyer of urea would even be willing to pay a fiat surcharge under the table for the shipment if it stills saves them money at the end of the day. URO will allow for the transfer of wealth from the middle men to everyday people. They will have plenty of money to pay their bills. Most of these companies are sitting on millions of dollars of assets anyways.

Ok so I import from China to the UK a lot, this is how it works.

I send a CHAPS payment from my bank to a forex agent for 25GBP this can be for any amount.

My forex agent gives me a price that is literally a couple of pips of interbank rate and charge me a 10GBP wire fee to send to the receivers bank.


I can send a million GBP to China and I get charges of 35GBP and get near enough interbank rate because my forex agent can buy straight off interbank markets, he takes about 0.01% as his cut

Not only that but I can book forwards of as much as I want so when GBP USD hits a high, I book it forwards and actually get much better rates than I would in future.

there is no thousands of dollars in bank and brokers fees.



Do you ever doing an LC order yet? I have doubt. If u did then this will be clear to you about bank fee. This is not about direct purchase- its different.

yeah I have used letter of credit before. generally LC is not necessary when dealing with well known suppliers within a closed industry

Also, if you feel the need for the security of a letter of credit. Why would you do a buy with crypto?

I don't understand how do u make big EXIM without LC? My personal experience as an importer I didn't see this except some little(below 10K USD) shipment. Without LC how do u clearing ur goods from customs....Huh Huh Huh

?

its simple. You send a wire payment to the receiver. They send the goods with a bill of lading and a commercial invoice. goods are cleared at customs based on the bill of lading. Customs send you a bill, you pay the bill, goods are released. If they don't like the look of the value they ask you for proof of the amount paid. This is fine for any value. LC is only needed for security for the purchaser, nothing to do with clearing customs. At least in the UK, can't speak for anywhere else

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July 11, 2014, 03:38:46 PM
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Biggest SCAM in crypto to date.

Can we please get a video by Nilesh and his team staing their names and titles we can then put this to rest..
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July 11, 2014, 03:38:59 PM
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Here's an analogy that will help concerned people understand why a urea seller today would accept 12,500 URO for 12,500 tonnes or urea when the price of URO is so low...

It's simply a permanent store of wealth. Urea has a limited shelf life. The producer can't store urea for 5 years then sell it so what can they do to retain their value? Simple, accept 12,500 URO for equivalent purchase of urea today.

Take a look at gold in 1900, it was only $20 usd per ounce but is stable today well over $1000 usd per ounce. http://www.onlygold.com/coins/Gold-Double-Eagles.asp

In 1900 a lot of experts knew that the value of gold had the potential to reach over $1000 but they weren't willing to pay it because they can keep the gold for 100 years because gold will last 100 years. The is really no difference between gold and URO except for one major feature. URO protocol means that 1 URO = 1 tonne of urea. Obviously URO will last forever (like gold) and it's a store of wealth. Even if it takes 100 years to reach $300 per URO it's still a store of wealth. With URO you have the option of accepting it for urea and keeping it or you can go out any day in the future and get 1 tonne of urea or sit on URO for 100 years and watch it reach 300 usd. The interesting thing is though what happens if there is some world event that causes market price of 1 tonne of urea to reach $1000 per tonne? Simple, now 1 URO = $1000 Smiley....

Look at what happened to the phosphate market (also a component of fertilizer). In the mid 2000's phosphate skyrocketed in price from $50 per tonne to almost $450 per tonne. This could happen to urea prices, there is no reason that they can't skyrocket to over $3,000 per tonne

http://www.infomine.com/investment/metal-prices/phosphate-rock/all/  

So in theory if you own only 10 URO and some earthquake or drought causes a lower worldwide supply of urea and send urea price to $3,000 per tonne your 10 URO are now worth $30,000 USD !!

This explanation completely flies in the face of the reality of business.
Urea sellers are not speculators, and if they were they wouldn't be stupid enough to take a risk on Uro anyway.
They have bills to pay on a daily basis that get paid by selling Uro that day. They may take profits but their margins are not anywhere near being able to give urea away for free for 5 years. Holy shit a 10 year old wouldn't buy this.
Every day they have bills to employees, utilities, taxes, many other expenses. They pay these with sales of urea that occur with an immediacy that does not allow for speculation. End of this ridiculous point.

I understand what you're saying for sure. They can pay the bills with the thousands of dollars that they save in broker fees, bank fees and all of the middlemen along the way. The buyer of urea would even be willing to pay a fiat surcharge under the table for the shipment if it stills saves them money at the end of the day. URO will allow for the transfer of wealth from the middle men to everyday people. They will have plenty of money to pay their bills. Most of these companies are sitting on millions of dollars of assets anyways.

Ok so I import from China to the UK a lot, this is how it works.

I send a CHAPS payment from my bank to a forex agent for 25GBP this can be for any amount.

My forex agent gives me a price that is literally a couple of pips of interbank rate and charge me a 10GBP wire fee to send to the receivers bank.


I can send a million GBP to China and I get charges of 35GBP and get near enough interbank rate because my forex agent can buy straight off interbank markets, he takes about 0.01% as his cut

Not only that but I can book forwards of as much as I want so when GBP USD hits a high, I book it forwards and actually get much better rates than I would in future.

there is no thousands of dollars in bank and brokers fees.



Do you ever doing an LC order yet? I have doubt. If u did then this will be clear to you about bank fee. This is not about direct purchase- its different.

yeah I have used letter of credit before. generally LC is not necessary when dealing with well known suppliers within a closed industry

Also, if you feel the need for the security of a letter of credit. Why would you do a buy with crypto?

I don't understand how do u make big EXIM without LC? My personal experience as an importer I didn't see this except some little(below 10K USD) shipment. Without LC how do u clearing ur goods from customs....Huh Huh Huh

?

its simple. You send a wire payment to the receiver. They send the goods with a bill of lading and a commercial invoice. goods are cleared at customs based on the bill of lading. Customs send you a bill, you pay the bill, goods are released. If they don't like the look of the value they ask you for proof of the amount paid. This is fine for any value. LC is only needed for security for the purchaser, nothing to do with clearing customs. At least in the UK, can't speak for anywhere else

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_of_lading

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July 11, 2014, 03:41:01 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsHF0C_gPck&feature=youtu.be
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My research turned up some inneresting fax

http://oi61.tinypic.com/2wq8uht.jpg
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July 11, 2014, 03:42:40 PM
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Here's an analogy that will help concerned people understand why a urea seller today would accept 12,500 URO for 12,500 tonnes or urea when the price of URO is so low...

It's simply a permanent store of wealth. Urea has a limited shelf life. The producer can't store urea for 5 years then sell it so what can they do to retain their value? Simple, accept 12,500 URO for equivalent purchase of urea today.

Take a look at gold in 1900, it was only $20 usd per ounce but is stable today well over $1000 usd per ounce. http://www.onlygold.com/coins/Gold-Double-Eagles.asp

In 1900 a lot of experts knew that the value of gold had the potential to reach over $1000 but they weren't willing to pay it because they can keep the gold for 100 years because gold will last 100 years. The is really no difference between gold and URO except for one major feature. URO protocol means that 1 URO = 1 tonne of urea. Obviously URO will last forever (like gold) and it's a store of wealth. Even if it takes 100 years to reach $300 per URO it's still a store of wealth. With URO you have the option of accepting it for urea and keeping it or you can go out any day in the future and get 1 tonne of urea or sit on URO for 100 years and watch it reach 300 usd. The interesting thing is though what happens if there is some world event that causes market price of 1 tonne of urea to reach $1000 per tonne? Simple, now 1 URO = $1000 Smiley....

Look at what happened to the phosphate market (also a component of fertilizer). In the mid 2000's phosphate skyrocketed in price from $50 per tonne to almost $450 per tonne. This could happen to urea prices, there is no reason that they can't skyrocket to over $3,000 per tonne

http://www.infomine.com/investment/metal-prices/phosphate-rock/all/  

So in theory if you own only 10 URO and some earthquake or drought causes a lower worldwide supply of urea and send urea price to $3,000 per tonne your 10 URO are now worth $30,000 USD !!

This explanation completely flies in the face of the reality of business.
Urea sellers are not speculators, and if they were they wouldn't be stupid enough to take a risk on Uro anyway.
They have bills to pay on a daily basis that get paid by selling Uro that day. They may take profits but their margins are not anywhere near being able to give urea away for free for 5 years. Holy shit a 10 year old wouldn't buy this.
Every day they have bills to employees, utilities, taxes, many other expenses. They pay these with sales of urea that occur with an immediacy that does not allow for speculation. End of this ridiculous point.

I understand what you're saying for sure. They can pay the bills with the thousands of dollars that they save in broker fees, bank fees and all of the middlemen along the way. The buyer of urea would even be willing to pay a fiat surcharge under the table for the shipment if it stills saves them money at the end of the day. URO will allow for the transfer of wealth from the middle men to everyday people. They will have plenty of money to pay their bills. Most of these companies are sitting on millions of dollars of assets anyways.

Ok so I import from China to the UK a lot, this is how it works.

I send a CHAPS payment from my bank to a forex agent for 25GBP this can be for any amount.

My forex agent gives me a price that is literally a couple of pips of interbank rate and charge me a 10GBP wire fee to send to the receivers bank.


I can send a million GBP to China and I get charges of 35GBP and get near enough interbank rate because my forex agent can buy straight off interbank markets, he takes about 0.01% as his cut

Not only that but I can book forwards of as much as I want so when GBP USD hits a high, I book it forwards and actually get much better rates than I would in future.

there is no thousands of dollars in bank and brokers fees.



Do you ever doing an LC order yet? I have doubt. If u did then this will be clear to you about bank fee. This is not about direct purchase- its different.

yeah I have used letter of credit before. generally LC is not necessary when dealing with well known suppliers within a closed industry

Also, if you feel the need for the security of a letter of credit. Why would you do a buy with crypto?

I don't understand how do u make big EXIM without LC? My personal experience as an importer I didn't see this except some little(below 10K USD) shipment. Without LC how do u clearing ur goods from customs....Huh Huh Huh

?

its simple. You send a wire payment to the receiver. They send the goods with a bill of lading and a commercial invoice. goods are cleared at customs based on the bill of lading. Customs send you a bill, you pay the bill, goods are released. If they don't like the look of the value they ask you for proof of the amount paid. This is fine for any value. LC is only needed for security for the purchaser, nothing to do with clearing customs. At least in the UK, can't speak for anywhere else

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_of_lading

commercial invoice

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commercial_invoice

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July 11, 2014, 03:44:11 PM
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I'm no facial recognition expert but....  Grin




what his glasses are off?

you can obv. see a mole on the dudes cheek (right pic)
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KryptoSenseiMaster = truthful hahah Cheesy please ignore this fcking loser
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why do you think I was angry, we finally get the dev on cam, well on google+ chat where there was only 10 people allowed in the chat, there was some bugs and there was 180-200 people awaiting him on other youtube and google+ channels that just were not working, so I finally convinced him to come into a tinychat.com room so more of the community can see him and ask questions instead what happens, left right and center trolls upon trolls spamming videos and audio like goof balls, I already apologized for being angry in a post after the video call, I don`t even think there was more then 1 serious question really asked just people saying really stupid things I was just trying to get people to be quiet so they could ask some real questions... I am not sure why you are so proud of fud`ing about a coin... come work on my farm a day (or 20 years with no pay) and keep a few million people alive by hard honest work to support your family maybe that is something to be proud of, find a cure to cancer maybe that is something to be proud of, be a investigator and solve a murder case and give justice to a family maybe that is something to be proud of, create the worlds first cryptcoin backed by a real commodity for real use which will help many people in the future that is something to be proud of, but to be proud of being a fud slinger, get a life please.
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July 11, 2014, 03:45:28 PM
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lmfao.

still the thread not dead and full of believers.

ITS OVER.

deal with it.

any coin that makes me a profit.
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so many people are interested in this coin the volume speaks for itself people.
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July 11, 2014, 03:49:26 PM
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why do you think I was angry, we finally get the dev on cam, well on google+ chat where there was only 10 people allowed in the chat, there was some bugs and there was 180-200 people awaiting him on other youtube and google+ channels that just were not working, so I finally convinced him to come into a tinychat.com room so more of the community can see him and ask questions instead what happens, left right and center trolls upon trolls spamming videos and audio like goof balls, I already apologized for being angry in a post after the video call, I don`t even think there was more then 1 serious question really asked just people saying really stupid things I was just trying to get people to be quiet so they could ask some real questions... I am not sure why you are so proud of fud`ing about a coin... come work on my farm a day (or 20 years with no pay) and keep a few million people alive by hard honest work to support your family maybe that is something to be proud of, find a cure to cancer maybe that is something to be proud of, be a investigator and solve a murder case and give justice to a family maybe that is something to be proud of, create the worlds first cryptcoin backed by a real commodity for real use which will help many people in the future that is something to be proud of, but to be proud of being a fud slinger, get a life please.

I'm happy with my life and I'm not a 'FUD Slinger,' whatever the f**k that is.

I don't think in the same good/evil binary terms that 'true believers' who have 'faith' in a coin do.

You and Bohan both acted like complete a-holes in that chat. The evidence is there for anyone who wants to watch it.

This is an INVESTMENT. Not only that it's extremely high risk. After all, it's a whole new concept. That means the URO team is going to have spend lots of time educating people about the benefits of using the cryptocurrency. Telling people to 'Fink...use rational finking' and calling them stupid repeatedly is not going to help your mission.

The questions need to be asked and they need to be answered. This is people's MONEY we're dealing with after all.

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