HASHRA - LUNAR SERIES - ASIC SCRYPT MINERS

[armin22]

I mean, KNC titans clock in at 1MH/s per 17.50$, totalling it to $6995 for 400MH/S, even though the shipment time will be awhile, it'll still be more profitable.

Lets take in Calculations from CroMiner, 0.0015BTC per MH/s, but be harsh and say they arrive late July, so the diff has increased around 70%, that'll mean 0.00045BTC per MH/s, bringing it up to 0.18BTC Per day, totalling to around 4-5BTC Per month, lowering to 3-4BTC Next month and 2-3BTC the one after and finally, in the 4th month around 1-2BTC, if you mine like a zombie at CleverMining, so most likely scenario is that you'll make around 12BTC in the 4 months by running on CleverMining, resulting in a return of $7'800 whilst not taking in the Possible price increase of bitcoin, which'll result in an ROI + a profit of 805$, which i would think successful, and you will be making profit from there on, whereas CroMiner has proven that Hashra's miners have a low chance of ROI. This is the reason why not a lot of people are buying up Scrypt ASICS, because the price is just too expensive, around 5X more expensive than KNC's price tag, which doesn't make any sense at all. Personally, i am agreeeing with CroMiner, and think that it would be more beneficial in the long term for your business to lower the Price per MH/s, which'll benefit both you and your customers.

Just my 2 Satoshis on this matter, good day though.

[CroMiner]

Knc will deliver in best case scenario September, the diff will be x 2-3 by then, so even KNCs beast of a Titan has no chance of getting a ROI.

It would have but if delivered RIGHT NOW, but lets face it..Who would deliver a MONEY MAKING MACHINE ??

They are Happily Mining in Sweden ( and any other preorder destination ) and when it becomes BARELY POSSIBLE to break even they are shipping to compensate the end user for his Money by giving him 2% chance to breaking even..

So once more..SIMON has my respect because AT LEAST he is not mining with our Hardware..

But Simon, you need to understand that a GOOD price is what makes a GREAT COMPANY combined with GOOD delivery time !

Who would STOP YOU if You could do this now Simon, Who ?

Anyway..I understand that ALL mining Hardware manufactures from China are working together and have exactly the same prices for every diff increase, so keeping in Mind that Simon is in China/Hong Kong I can understand him, because even If he could pull off a solid PRICE DECREASE The Chinese "Alibaba" Mafia would pay him a Visit

So our best option for now are manufactures from EU and the STATES, who compete with each other regarding the Price and by doing so offering better profitability for end user.. Once more, except KNC who is already Mining with Your 400 MH/s Titans

[crocko]

@CroMiner

If KNC mining right now with the pre-ordered Titans that mean when the Titan will hit the market, the difficulty should be the same (to LTC, DOGE and other scrypt coins). Right ?
And speaking about the "hope", the other manufacturers, look at Bitmine.ch from Switzerland how miserably failed to deliver their ASICs or how to struggle to fool the customers refusing the refunds.
I will never ever pre-order anything, I will buy straight from the source, and Hashra is a good one.

[jjj0923]

As an early supporter of Hashra - I for one feel us early supporters who paid in full up front to help fund the development of these systems are owed something.

We have been slapped in the face with late delivery and then we  come to find out that a mere 7 days from now the same units that we paid a lot of money for are now available for at least 25% less than we paid.

It's a real insult to me and others - I know they have sent me PM's and there are a lot of unhappy people.


Is this what we get for helping Hasra get started?

I was probably the first person to get the unit in the U.S. and I just got it two days ago and wowee - I get a whole 9 day advantage in terms of mining over people who did not have faith in Hashra?

I won't make in 9 days what I could have saved - that's for sure.

In my humble opinion there would be no Hashra miners even available for sale had he not stepped up to the plate and placed our orders

it's insulting to be treated this way.


One very disgruntled customer

[armin22]

As an early supporter of Hashra - I for one feel us early supporters who paid in full up front to help fund the development of these systems are owed something.

We have been slapped in the face with late delivery and then we  come to find out that a mere 7 days from now the same units that we paid a lot of money for are now available for at least 25% less than we paid.

It's a real insult to me and others - I know they have sent me PM's and there are a lot of unhappy people.


Is this what we get for helping Hasra get started?

I was probably the first person to get the unit in the U.S. and I just got it two days ago and wowee - I get a whole 9 day advantage in terms of mining over people who did not have faith in Hashra?

I won't make in 9 days what I could have saved - that's for sure.

In my humble opinion there would be no Hashra miners even available for sale had he not stepped up to the plate and placed our orders

it's insulting to be treated this way.


One very disgruntled customer

Watched you edit that thing 3 times xD

[jjj0923]

As an early supporter of Hashra - I for one feel us early supporters who paid in full up front to help fund the development of these systems are owed something.

We have been slapped in the face with late delivery and then we  come to find out that a mere 7 days from now the same units that we paid a lot of money for are now available for at least 25% less than we paid.

It's a real insult to me and others - I know they have sent me PM's and there are a lot of unhappy people.


Is this what we get for helping Hasra get started?

I was probably the first person to get the unit in the U.S. and I just got it two days ago and wowee - I get a whole 9 day advantage in terms of mining over people who did not have faith in Hashra?

I won't make in 9 days what I could have saved - that's for sure.

In my humble opinion there would be no Hashra miners even available for sale had he not stepped up to the plate and placed our orders

it's insulting to be treated this way.


One very disgruntled customer

Watched you edit that thing 3 times xD

LOL - I am a terrible typist - my brain works faster than my fingers...

[jjj0923]

I mean, KNC titans clock in at 1MH/s per 17.50$, totalling it to $6995 for 400MH/S, even though the shipment time will be awhile, it'll still be more profitable.

Lets take in Calculations from CroMiner, 0.0015BTC per MH/s, but be harsh and say they arrive late July, so the diff has increased around 70%, that'll mean 0.00045BTC per MH/s, bringing it up to 0.18BTC Per day, totalling to around 4-5BTC Per month, lowering to 3-4BTC Next month and 2-3BTC the one after and finally, in the 4th month around 1-2BTC, if you mine like a zombie at CleverMining, so most likely scenario is that you'll make around 12BTC in the 4 months by running on CleverMining, resulting in a return of $7'800 whilst not taking in the Possible price increase of bitcoin, which'll result in an ROI + a profit of 805$, which i would think successful, and you will be making profit from there on, whereas CroMiner has proven that Hashra's miners have a low chance of ROI. This is the reason why not a lot of people are buying up Scrypt ASICS, because the price is just too expensive, around 5X more expensive than KNC's price tag, which doesn't make any sense at all. Personally, i am agreeeing with CroMiner, and think that it would be more beneficial in the long term for your business to lower the Price per MH/s, which'll benefit both you and your customers.

Just my 2 Satoshis on this matter, good day though.

this is very easy to say when KNC has not delivered one single scrypt miner and in fact has been sued for failure to deliver Bitcoin miners.

I am not defending Hashra but you're comparing what  exists to what does not exists and may never exist.

In addition you do not know how much it costs to produce one of these things.

How long can a company stay in business if it's make no profit?

Your observation is an interesting one, however you've put no skin in the game.

If this is as simple as lowering the price, then you are free to build your own machine and sell it at that price.

just my humble 2 satoshi.

as a business owner I can tell you what is beneficial - you lower the price when you are forced to and not before. In all likelihood most business have investors/owners to answer to and businesses are formed primarily to generate profits.

Risk = Reward = Return

You risk your money, you get rewarded and you see a return on the risk. Why give up profits when you do not have to - that is idiotic..and its grounds for dismissal if you answer to a board of directors.

[armin22]

I mean, KNC titans clock in at 1MH/s per 17.50$, totalling it to $6995 for 400MH/S, even though the shipment time will be awhile, it'll still be more profitable.

Lets take in Calculations from CroMiner, 0.0015BTC per MH/s, but be harsh and say they arrive late July, so the diff has increased around 70%, that'll mean 0.00045BTC per MH/s, bringing it up to 0.18BTC Per day, totalling to around 4-5BTC Per month, lowering to 3-4BTC Next month and 2-3BTC the one after and finally, in the 4th month around 1-2BTC, if you mine like a zombie at CleverMining, so most likely scenario is that you'll make around 12BTC in the 4 months by running on CleverMining, resulting in a return of $7'800 whilst not taking in the Possible price increase of bitcoin, which'll result in an ROI + a profit of 805$, which i would think successful, and you will be making profit from there on, whereas CroMiner has proven that Hashra's miners have a low chance of ROI. This is the reason why not a lot of people are buying up Scrypt ASICS, because the price is just too expensive, around 5X more expensive than KNC's price tag, which doesn't make any sense at all. Personally, i am agreeeing with CroMiner, and think that it would be more beneficial in the long term for your business to lower the Price per MH/s, which'll benefit both you and your customers.

Just my 2 Satoshis on this matter, good day though.

this is very easy to say when KNC has not delivered one single scrypt miner and in fact has been sued for failure to deliver Bitcoin miners.

I am not defending Hashra but you're comparing when does not exists and may never exist to what does exist.

In addition you do not know how much it costs to produce one of these things.


How long can a company stay in business if it's make no profit.

Your observation is an interesting one, however you've put no skin in the game.

If this is as simple as lowering the price, then you are free to build your own machine and sell it at that price.

just my humble 2 satoshi.

I never told them not to make any profit, merely just mentioned that they should lower their profit margins to a suitable one where they can still make some money from it, but still keep their customers happy.

Just my humble 2 satoshis.

[jjj0923]

I mean, KNC titans clock in at 1MH/s per 17.50$, totalling it to $6995 for 400MH/S, even though the shipment time will be awhile, it'll still be more profitable.

Lets take in Calculations from CroMiner, 0.0015BTC per MH/s, but be harsh and say they arrive late July, so the diff has increased around 70%, that'll mean 0.00045BTC per MH/s, bringing it up to 0.18BTC Per day, totalling to around 4-5BTC Per month, lowering to 3-4BTC Next month and 2-3BTC the one after and finally, in the 4th month around 1-2BTC, if you mine like a zombie at CleverMining, so most likely scenario is that you'll make around 12BTC in the 4 months by running on CleverMining, resulting in a return of $7'800 whilst not taking in the Possible price increase of bitcoin, which'll result in an ROI + a profit of 805$, which i would think successful, and you will be making profit from there on, whereas CroMiner has proven that Hashra's miners have a low chance of ROI. This is the reason why not a lot of people are buying up Scrypt ASICS, because the price is just too expensive, around 5X more expensive than KNC's price tag, which doesn't make any sense at all. Personally, i am agreeeing with CroMiner, and think that it would be more beneficial in the long term for your business to lower the Price per MH/s, which'll benefit both you and your customers.

Just my 2 Satoshis on this matter, good day though.

this is very easy to say when KNC has not delivered one single scrypt miner and in fact has been sued for failure to deliver Bitcoin miners.

I am not defending Hashra but you're comparing when does not exists and may never exist to what does exist.

In addition you do not know how much it costs to produce one of these things.


How long can a company stay in business if it's make no profit.

Your observation is an interesting one, however you've put no skin in the game.

If this is as simple as lowering the price, then you are free to build your own machine and sell it at that price.

just my humble 2 satoshi.

I never told them not to make any profit, merely just mentioned that they should lower their profit margins to a suitable one where they can still make some money from it, but still keep their customers happy.

Just my humble 2 satoshis.

perhaps you are not happy, but I am satisfied with the cost per mh at this point in time.

I won't be 6 weeks from now and that's why I have 500mh on order from Mining Asics Technologies - because it will be much lower in price.

My advice for you who are weak of heart. Simply wait until you get hashing power as cheaply as you think you are 'entitled' to.

the machines are coming - or course you miss mining between now and then, but hey - that's just the way the cookie crumbles.

[davecoin]

As an early supporter of Hashra - I for one feel us early supporters who paid in full up front to help fund the development of these systems are owed something.

We have been slapped in the face with late delivery and then we  come to find out that a mere 7 days from now the same units that we paid a lot of money for are now available for at least 25% less than we paid.

It's a real insult to me and others - I know they have sent me PM's and there are a lot of unhappy people.


Is this what we get for helping Hasra get started?

I was probably the first person to get the unit in the U.S. and I just got it two days ago and wowee - I get a whole 9 day advantage in terms of mining over people who did not have faith in Hashra?

I won't make in 9 days what I could have saved - that's for sure.

In my humble opinion there would be no Hashra miners even available for sale had he not stepped up to the plate and placed our orders

it's insulting to be treated this way.


One very disgruntled customer

Was yours also shipped on the 4th of June?  That alone is reason for compensation. 

[crocko]

According to DHL my batch#1 ASIC is still in Germany..
Still long way to the SE of Europe....   
I don't blame Hashra, that 2 days Chinese Festival + weekend was a real [....] for us, as customers.

IMHO, If Hashra want to give us a coupon as compensation for the delays, it is more than welcomed.

[jjj0923]

According to DHL my batch#1 ASIC is still in Germany..
Still long way to the SE of Europe....   
I don't blame Hashra, that 2 days Chinese Festival + weekend was a real [....] for us, as customers.

IMHO, If Hashra want to give us a coupon as compensation for the delays, it is more than welcomed.

I'd prefer a partial refund

a coupon only locks you into ordering more from them.

In fact I've already asked for a partial refund but Simon has ignored that part of my emails to him.

[jjj0923]

As an early supporter of Hashra - I for one feel us early supporters who paid in full up front to help fund the development of these systems are owed something.

We have been slapped in the face with late delivery and then we  come to find out that a mere 7 days from now the same units that we paid a lot of money for are now available for at least 25% less than we paid.

It's a real insult to me and others - I know they have sent me PM's and there are a lot of unhappy people.


Is this what we get for helping Hasra get started?

I was probably the first person to get the unit in the U.S. and I just got it two days ago and wowee - I get a whole 9 day advantage in terms of mining over people who did not have faith in Hashra?

I won't make in 9 days what I could have saved - that's for sure.

In my humble opinion there would be no Hashra miners even available for sale had he not stepped up to the plate and placed our orders

it's insulting to be treated this way.


One very disgruntled customer

Was yours also shipped on the 4th of June?  That alone is reason for compensation.  

actually - he's entitled to a full refund - we all say the statement on the website - it can't be ignored.

I want a partial refund. I want the difference betweeen what I paid and what Batch 2 are selling for.

afterall - it was my money that even made Batch 2 possible.

I will not settle for a penny less.

[ZigHash]

Does hashra have a usa re-seller?

I just dont want to wait for shipment, and import tax and crap.

yes - zighash.com

Have you bought any from them? I`m also looking at re-sellers in the USA as well.

As HASHRA aswell as Jeff has said we are indeed a Official Reseller of HASHRA products! However, I Jacob the Owner, do admit that we did drop the ball on Jeff's Gridseed order. We thought that we would ship it from the USA instead of China so he could be mining faster, but the company we ordered it from (GAW) lied to us about it. They guaranteed me shipping the 4th and said it shipped when it should have and that they were just waiting on the tracking number to "update". Now a week later tell me that they did not actually ship and pushed ship dates back until June 10th. I have offered Jeff a refund for his order and do hope he comes back to shop again at ZigHash.com, but also I hope realizes we did not lie to him in any way only told him what Jonathan from GAW was telling me. However, I do know that Simon is running a better business than GAW and will not lie to me. Our HASHRA products will ship on time! ZigHash prides itself in customer support and welcome full transparency in a situation such as this! Hope I cleared this up for everyone looking to purchase from ZigHash!
Thanks,
Jacob

[joeventura]

As an early supporter of Hashra - I for one feel us early supporters who paid in full up front to help fund the development of these systems are owed something.

We have been slapped in the face with late delivery and then we  come to find out that a mere 7 days from now the same units that we paid a lot of money for are now available for at least 25% less than we paid.

It's a real insult to me and others - I know they have sent me PM's and there are a lot of unhappy people.


Is this what we get for helping Hasra get started?

I was probably the first person to get the unit in the U.S. and I just got it two days ago and wowee - I get a whole 9 day advantage in terms of mining over people who did not have faith in Hashra?

I won't make in 9 days what I could have saved - that's for sure.

In my humble opinion there would be no Hashra miners even available for sale had he not stepped up to the plate and placed our orders

it's insulting to be treated this way.


One very disgruntled customer

NOW You have a legitimate gripe and I agree with you!!

[coinwarrior]

Below has been communicated to all of us on Twitter on the 12th of May,

http://us3.campaign-archive1.com/?u=99f7289c2228b2321197a5962&id=31a14dba1b

today  I saw another anouncement that offers us a measly 5%, this is totally unacceptable, what about what Option 1 and 2 that were offered?
Please come clear with all your batch 1 customers who have supported you from day one. Also please explain to all of us why a public Holiday on the 2nd of June has anything to do with your "guaranteed" deadline of shipment on the 31st of May. Mistakes happens and the Bitcoin industry is a very dynamic one and if you ran into production issues we all understand, but there is a red line that should not be crossed, I think we can accept a slight delay in shipment but we cannot accept you just simply not honoring material promises that were made publicly to all of us. I urge you please come clean with us we deserve better than this and you know it. To help refresh your memory:


"
For those of you that have already purchased recently at the quoted 15MH speeds per module we will be offering some options for you so you are rewarded for being an early customer of our Lunar Lander miners and end up benefiting from the new speeds.

Option 1:
Giving you extra free MH so that your order matches $ per MH of what you had paid before or better. This would basically mean we would give you a free extra miner. : )
You would end up with even more MH per $ than what you had originally paid for.

Option 2:
If by the time we ship out for batch 1 we are unable to reach a stable 15MH then we will offer those customers a refund for any missing hash rate they were originally quoted.
For example:
You paid for 15MH at $140 per MH
You get now 12MH at $140 per MH
We refund you $420

Whatever option you go with we will of course be giving you guys an insane discount off your next order with us to say thanks!

hashra.com/products

SHIPPING SCHEDULE & BATCHES:
As things are going it is looking like batch 1 is going to be selling out at some point this week.
Production of Batch 1 is going very well and we will do all we can to ship earlier than the 31st May.
After Batch 1 sells out we will start to take orders fro Batch 2, Batch 2 will most likely ship out around one week to ten days after Batch 1.

"

All Hashra batch 1 customers please voice your opinion!

[crocko]

According to DHL my batch#1 ASIC is still in Germany..
Still long way to the SE of Europe....   
I don't blame Hashra, that 2 days Chinese Festival + weekend was a real [....] for us, as customers.

IMHO, If Hashra want to give us a coupon as compensation for the delays, it is more than welcomed.

LOOOOOOOL ! More holydays ! This time in Europe ! 
My shippment is on hold on Italy !
How crazy the life can be ??

[jjj0923]

Here's my opinion

I believe that all of us are clearly entitled to the revised price - especially since that price WAS ANNOUNCED AND POSTED before any of us received our miners.

I paid $3,295 x 2 minus 10% for a total of $5,931 for two Warp 2 units

Prior to delivery the price was revised to:  $2,275 x 2 = $4,550

Therefore we are entitled to the new price not only because it was a new price, but just out of common courtesy for Hashra to do what's right for the customers that supported his business and helped get it started.

I would like a refund of $1,381 or a Lunar Lander plus $131

I will continue to support Hasha IF they step up and do what it right.

I believe this may come into play also since Hashra claims offices in the U.K.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2008/1277/contents/made

[davecoin]

I paid $1615 for Batch 1 on May 22.  I'm assuming the package is on it's way to me, but I have no idea when it will arrive.  SF-express tracking just says it's in transit in Los Angeles.  

The unit shipped on June 4th.

I would like some form of compensation before Batch 2 starts shipping.  

edit: I was compensated with a coupon for a Batch 2 miner.

[jjj0923]

I paid $1615 for Batch 1 on May 22.  I'm assuming the package is on it's way to me, but I have no idea when it will arrive.  SF-express tracking just says it's in transit in Los Angeles. 

The unit shipped on June 4th.

I would like some form of compensation before Batch 2 starts shipping. 

Me too!