Bitcoin Conference 2011 NYC

[FlipPro]

People like you are the reason why this forum requires some type of restriction of entry.

And yes many people have been banned, but not enough IMHO. Unless you're here to learn or invest you should not belong here. This is not that "type" of forum, and the sooner the SA crowd starts to realize that, the faster they will find a funnier forum to troll. The hilarious part (on our end) of this entire debacle with that specific troll forum is that we were actually able to convert some of their troll and now they are solid investors! 

  Pretty soon they will start to delete their own threads at SA in fear that their slime posts are hurting prices.

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[freequant]

People like you are the reason why this forum requires some type of restriction of entry.

And yes many people have been banned, but not enough IMHO. Unless you're here to learn or invest you should not belong here. This is not that "type" of forum, and the sooner the SA crowd starts to realize that, the faster they will find a funnier forum to troll. The hilarious part (on our end) of this entire debacle with that specific troll forum is that we were actually able to convert some of their troll and now they are solid investors! 

  Pretty soon they will start to delete their own threads at SA in fear that their slime posts are hurting prices.

FlipPro, you are totally out of topic in addition to being a fascist.
Will you please stop trolling this thread or s.o. will have to get you banned.
Thanks.

[The_Duke]

People like you are the reason why this forum requires some type of restriction of entry.

People like you are very damaging to open source projects. You only care about moving things in YOUR prefered direction and would like to see anyone who disagrees with you banned from the project and banned from even talking about the project.

And yes many people have been banned, but not enough IMHO.

Of course. If you had your way, anyone who disagrees with your idea's would be banned. That is indeed the easiest way to win a discussion if you can't win it by arguments.

Unless you're here to learn or invest you should not belong here. This is not that "type" of forum

Wow. Funny how you seem to think that you can define what a forum for an open source project should and shouldn't be. You realise you are nothing more than just another forum user, with just another opinion, just like the people you would like to see banned?

Your whole attitude does explain why you are the only one posting on your own little forum though. Enjoying the powers of moderating there? Great place it must be! No one to disagree with you

[FlipPro]

People like you are the reason why this forum requires some type of restriction of entry.

And yes many people have been banned, but not enough IMHO. Unless you're here to learn or invest you should not belong here. This is not that "type" of forum, and the sooner the SA crowd starts to realize that, the faster they will find a funnier forum to troll. The hilarious part (on our end) of this entire debacle with that specific troll forum is that we were actually able to convert some of their troll and now they are solid investors! 

  Pretty soon they will start to delete their own threads at SA in fear that their slime posts are hurting prices.

FlipPro, you are totally out of topic in addition to being a fascist.
Will you please stop trolling this thread or s.o. will have to get you banned.
Thanks.

I have to ask you kindly sir, what do you do for the community?

I want a place where people can come and debate fairly, without having sick people ruining every single post with their demented egos.

[The_Duke]

I have to ask you kindly sir, what do you do for the community?

He seems to be battling delusional people who feel that their way of thinking should be imposed upon an open source community. A noble cause I would say.

I want a place where people can come and debate fairly, .

Which you want to achieve by banning everyone who does not conform to your personal ideas of what a forum should be. Way to go

[FlipPro]

"People like you are very damaging to open source projects. You only care about moving things in YOUR prefered direction and would like to see anyone who disagrees with you banned from the project and banned from even talking about the project."

I am the biggest promoter of Bitcoins open source properties. I believe it is Bitcoins greatest strength, and it's one of the reasons we are all here. My preferred direction for Bitcoin doesn't have to match anyone else's other than my customers. That is the beauty of Bitcoin, and it is the reason why it can't be destroyed. No one can hijack Bitcoin and call it their's therefore no personal failures reflect on the currency itself. Anyone can win, and anyone can loose with Bitcoin regardless of the approach.


Of course. If you had your way, anyone who disagrees with your idea's would be banned. That is indeed the easiest way to win a discussion if you can't win it by arguments.


Wrong if I had it my way only people who are here to obviously obstruct would get banned. In RL and on the net some of the people I care the most about are people who disagree with me. I love to talk to people who disagree with me, because honestly that's the best opportunity for me to learn something new and grow as a human. Debate is good and I try to foster it on TweetForum and on BTCTALK.


Wow. Funny how you seem to think that you can define what a forum for an open source project should and shouldn't be. You realise you are nothing more than just another forum user, with just another opinion, just like the people you would like to see banned?

Your whole attitude does explain why you are the only one posting on your own little forum though. Enjoying the powers of moderating there? Great place it must be! No one to disagree with you


I think we all have power as human beings to represent ourselves in ways that make our opinions count. I think I have earned the right in this forum for my opinion to be heard, since it is a sincere and serious. I am trying my hardest to help the community with various projects that I have in the works, and with my hard earned money through various investments. I also give back to the Bitcoin community by donating everywhere I can, and I also run a forum that is still small but is helping people get introduced to Bitcoin every day. I have many members who are now earning Bitcoins, and yes many of them disagree with me, and that's OK. People can disagree with each other as long as they don't disrupt the flow of the conversation. Many people here are pressed on time as it is, and all these disruptions do is lag the inevitable, and I think we all know this.

[freequant]

People like you are the reason why this forum requires
some type of restriction of entry.

People like you are very damaging to open source projects. You only care about moving things in YOUR prefered direction and would like to see anyone who disagrees with you banned from the project and banned from even talking about the project.

The_Duke, don't you see this is just a teenager craving for respect and authority?
Don't feed the troll.

[The_Duke]

I am the biggest promoter of Bitcoins open source properties.

No you are not. If you were, you would also be a fierce advocate of as much freedom as speech if possible.
Sure, if people start calling names, using excessive swearing or perform illegal activities on the forum (sharing child porn, setting up a money laundering system, whatever) I can see how that needs to be banned. But what you are suggesting goes way beyond that and it has nothing to do anymorw with being a promotor of open source properties.
Saying stuff like "if I was a mod I would ban all people from SA forums" would be a huge red flag to me as a forum owner to never give you any moderation rights. But maybe that's just me.

Wrong if I had it my way only people who are here to obviously obstruct would get banned.

The problem with that is that this "obviously obstruct" of yours doesn't match the definitions others have of it. You seem to be extremely selfish and egotistical in the way you define how this forum should be used.

Debate is good and I try to foster it on TweetForum

When is the last time you looked at the user count there?

I think we all have power as human beings to represent ourselves in ways that make our opinions count. I think I have earned the right in this forum for my opinion to be heard, since it is a sincere and serious.

And the same goes for a lot of the people you like to call trolls. I don't think you are sincere and serious at all. I think you are just trolling this tread. But I am glad that mods allow you to do that, because it shows others what kind of people to watch out for. It is your right to do so. Shame you don't want others to have the same rights as you do.

[FlipPro]

I am the biggest promoter of Bitcoins open source properties.

No you are not. If you were, you would also be a fierce advocate of as much freedom as speech if possible.
Sure, if people start calling names, using excessive swearing or perform illegal activities on the forum (sharing child porn, setting up a money laundering system, whatever) I can see how that needs to be banned. But what you are suggesting goes way beyond that and it has nothing to do anymorw with being a promotor of open source properties.
Saying stuff like "if I was a mod I would ban all people from SA forums" would be a huge red flag to me as a forum owner to never give you any moderation rights. But maybe that's just me.

Wrong if I had it my way only people who are here to obviously obstruct would get banned.

The problem with that is that this "obviously obstruct" of yours doesn't match the definitions others have of it. You seem to be extremely selfish and egotistical in the way you define how this forum should be used.

Debate is good and I try to foster it on TweetForum

When is the last time you looked at the user count there?

I think we all have power as human beings to represent ourselves in ways that make our opinions count. I think I have earned the right in this forum for my opinion to be heard, since it is a sincere and serious.

All you have is baseless attacks in your posts. I am done feeding you.

[FlipPro]

People like you are the reason why this forum requires
some type of restriction of entry.

People like you are very damaging to open source projects. You only care about moving things in YOUR prefered direction and would like to see anyone who disagrees with you banned from the project and banned from even talking about the project.

The_Duke, don't you see this is just a teenager craving for respect and authority?
Don't feed the troll.

You avoided my question nice dodge.

The reason why you avoided my question is because you have NOTHING to show to the Bitcoin community.

NOTHING other than your troll posts contributing to the total pollution in this forum.  

Done feeding you to.

[The_Duke]

All you have is baseless attacks in your posts. I am done feeding you.

So who's the troll here exactly? When you can't win by arguments, you just point at others and say they are trolling. If you could, you'd rather even ban them, which was my exact point to begin with.

[sharky112065]

Wow I came here to get info about the conference and see this crap. Please quit feeding the Trolls.

[Blackout]

Lots of troll talk going on here!

To "Are-you-a-wizard?" and "defxor"

Not that I need to answer this but since most of my identity is public anyway - I am Argentinian but the 1st born in America and so therefore, yes, I am an American and I would be a proud one if we actually followed our constitution but it seems that it has been thrown out of the window (one of the reasons I am interested in bitcoin) so I am not so proud of my country's actions or government right now but I do what I can do and am responsible for myself.  I am really not to fond of ANY governments let alone ours right now, so your trolls that I am some goofy unworldy naive american stereotype from a monty python sketch are off base and un-warrented. Yes I have traveled all over the place and been to many of these exotic locations and they are fun, but is that the point right now?  As I said, Amsterdam would be better than Pattaya - in my opinion.  I just agree with some of the above posters that as it stands - with the current locations it looks like the conferences are set up more as parties for large bitcoin holders than actual  true Bitcoin Conferences aimed at expanding bitcoin to the general public.  

Like it or not NYC is currently the financial center of the world - good or bad (mostly bad and falling apart as we speak) but still the truth for now until China & the bankers pull the rug.  I think another attempt should be made here before sailing off to bitcoin island.  The UK or Tokyo are other good ideas but I am not deeply enough involved in bitcoin yet to travel that far for it.

Of course I do have have my own biases in this.  I am in NYC so obviously it would be easier for me.
But like some of the other posters have said - Bitcoin is not OWNED by anyone to to proclaim you are running the "OFFICIAL BITCOIN CONFERENCE" and then setting it only in remote islands is a wee bit much.  This is just my opinion - not an attack. I don't know Bruce or the gang that set this up but when I did find out he was very personable and invited me to come with a press pass and had I known a little earlier, I could have fixed the streaming issue.  It's what I do. I'm an actor / writer /director and and expert in HD film & video as well as sound design.  I have set up countless live radio and video internet stations and feeds and have several ways of doing it with redundancy and backup
depending of course on internet connectivity in the area and budget.  4G in the area? No prob we're set so NYC wouldn't be a problem. I have backback streaming setup... for more remote areas there are more expensive ways (parallel 3g cards) ect.... but I use livestream and the technology works.

Example: live bitcoin poker tournament:  full hour from a remote location wireless feed backpack laptop setup, no glitches:

http://www.livestream.com/blackoutsbox/video?clipId=pla_44603104-8347-4bab-a2c7-5f5a8fb7fc0e

Anyway - I didn't mean to make this thread out to be an advertisement for me but I was a little annoyed with all the anti american sarcasm crap.  All this "You Americans must think this... and You Americans and your blah blah de blah".
 
I am in individual - and don't like being labeled or narrowly defined as ANY stereotype.  The REASON I like bitcoin is for the it's very NATURE that it cares not about bullshit country or government red tape, it is truly a great idea for furthering individual liberty on the internet, so let's stop the trolling and name calling.
 
My whole point is that it is my opinion and others that what is labeled as "THE OFFICIAL BITCOIN CONFERENCES" if that can even really be true because no one owns bitcoin so anyone could call their conference the official one, but I digress, ones touted as such SHOULD NOT turn into some elite party club as their official meeting places.  This is exactly what the big banks have done, bought out the governments and all the big players meet in secret party islands.  Aren't we trying to go a different direction with bitcoin?

Again, I like a good party as much as anyone - but lets make that the secondary purpose...these are just some sensible opinions.

I can at least offer up my streaming services for the next one done in NYC and I can promise you there will be no audio or video issues unless of course the aliens land or a giant vortex opens up before 2012 or they aim haarp at us and microwave us like a swanson dinner.  Barring that, my shit works.

- Blackout - that so naive american guy with the hat.

[FlipPro]

In Bruces defense, he is setting this up in several locations, so he is taking the initiative to make this accessible to people all over the world. It's so easy to dictate your opinions, but I doubt anyone here knows the amount of work that it takes to organize these events...

Bruce is trying to make it as easy as possible for everyone to meet and way to much has been made of the "locations". Who gives a damn where it's at, the point of having multiple locations is so that people in that region can go with less money!

[Blackout]

Again - for like the umpteenth time. I'm not attacking Bruce. Seems like a very nice person. Look forward to meeting him. Not attacking anyone.  I was responding to the anti American crap and just talking basic PR and the failed online coverage. Did you even read my post?

Summary - will places like Pattaya or private cruises add or be good for bitcoin expansion or publicity to a regular public who don't already know about it or aren't already insiders?

Answer: No.

Will there be nice beaches and bars and sex and drugs and whatever? Sure... but keep that stuff private. Hey smoke em if ya got em, I'm just saying official bitcoin conference.... Pattaya?  More like private bitcoin party time.  Nothing wrong with that, but label it what it is.  I doubt you are going to get enslaved asian girls to invest in bitcoin.

But what do I know? I'm a silly american! (talks in monty python american voice while ordering prostitute and bit munchies)

[jtimon]

What about Istanbul?
Near Russia, middle east and Europe.

[FlipPro]

Again - for like the umpteenth time. I'm not attacking Bruce. Seems like a very nice person. Look forward to meeting him. Not attacking anyone.  I was responding to the anti American crap and just talking basic PR and the failed online coverage. Did you even read my post?

Summary - will places like Pattaya or private cruises add or be good for bitcoin expansion or publicity to a regular public who don't already know about it or aren't already insiders?

Answer: No.

Will there be nice beaches and bars and sex and drugs and whatever? Sure... but keep that stuff private. Hey smoke em if ya got em, I'm just saying official bitcoin conference.... Pattaya?  More like private bitcoin party time.  Nothing wrong with that, but label it what it is.  I doubt you are going to get enslaved asian girls to invest in bitcoin.

But what do I know? I'm a silly american! (talks in monty python american voice while ordering prostitute and bit munchies)

We are all on our defenses here.

I am seriously thinking about going to Amsterdam, and the World Cruise.

If I go to any of these event's I promise to stream the entire event in Full 1080HD/With full moderated chat and special interviews and articles. I am sorry that things didn't go the best for our first time, but next time I think we will all be much more prepared.

[The_Duke]

I am seriously thinking about going to Amsterdam, and the World Cruise.

If I go to any of these event's I promise to stream the entire event in Full 1080HD/With full moderated chat and special interviews and articles. I am sorry that things didn't go the best for our first time, but next time I think we will all be much more prepared.

I might come to the Amsterdam one and bring live reporting from there to also show a critical view on the whole thing.

[Piper67]

If you been there please don't click on the link (they love the attention.) I have already applied to be moderator here, and I swear to god I will handle it if I get the chance. About 200+ people would be banned overnight, but I swear to god I would clean this place up...

Hell yeah! After all, what good does free speech do anyway! It just makes people say stuff you don't want to hear. Go get em!

There is a difference between free speech and disruptive speech sir.

One leads to change, the other leads to a jail cell.

EDIT: Or even worse, a mental institution. Which is where 90% of the SA members belong.

Oh, oh... Would you care to expound a little bit on the kind of speech that would land you in a jail cell? Tread carefully, my friend. There is only such a thing as free speech, everything else is an attempt at curtailing it.

Google "yell fire in a crowded theatre (or theater)" and see where that awful quote originally came from. You'll be shocked to learn it was used by a judge to throw in jail a bunch of Jewish pacifists who were against the US getting drawn into World War I. They were handing out pamphlets in Yiddish throughout New York, to stop the country from entering a ridiculous was between old monarchies and colonial powers in Europe. It was a despicable decision made by that judge, yet the phrase (like the equally ugly "I cannot define pornography but I sure know it when I see it") have become part of the conventional wisdom of the United States and, more depressingly, of its legislative and judicial wisdom as well.

If you ever do become a mod, and that's a big IF in view of your stated desire to ban around 200 folks, remember free speech is only important for those who disagree with us. Free speech only for those we agree with is a bit silly.

Cheers,

[JeffK]

If you been there please don't click on the link (they love the attention.) I have already applied to be moderator here, and I swear to god I will handle it if I get the chance. About 200+ people would be banned overnight, but I swear to god I would clean this place up...

Hell yeah! After all, what good does free speech do anyway! It just makes people say stuff you don't want to hear. Go get em!

There is a difference between free speech and disruptive speech sir.

One leads to change, the other leads to a jail cell.

EDIT: Or even worse, a mental institution. Which is where 90% of the SA members belong.

Oh, oh... Would you care to expound a little bit on the kind of speech that would land you in a jail cell? Tread carefully, my friend. There is only such a thing as free speech, everything else is an attempt at curtailing it.

Google "yell fire in a crowded theatre (or theater)" and see where that awful quote originally came from. You'll be shocked to learn it was used by a judge to throw in jail a bunch of Jewish pacifists who were against the US getting drawn into World War I. They were handing out pamphlets in Yiddish throughout New York, to stop the country from entering a ridiculous was between old monarchies and colonial powers in Europe. It was a despicable decision made by that judge, yet the phrase (like the equally ugly "I cannot define pornography but I sure know it when I see it") have become part of the conventional wisdom of the United States and, more depressingly, of its legislative and judicial wisdom as well.

If you ever do become a mod, and that's a big IF in view of your stated desire to ban around 200 folks, remember free speech is only important for those who disagree with us. Free speech only for those we agree with is a bit silly.

Cheers,

In FlipPro's America, the people of SA are the Jewish pacifists who will be jailed.

FlipPro, why do you hate free speech?