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June 16, 2014, 08:01:19 AM
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if you hadn't released the testnet anon version the coins being sold would have been ok, but miners selling on news llike thi will just restrict growth and drive investors away. people will buy this up in a heartbeat if it was POS
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June 16, 2014, 08:01:26 AM
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Our contest requirements are simple:
- We would like a minimum of five (5) entries. Post your logo in our Bitcointalk thread between 6/8/14 thru 6/22/14.
- We are interested in keeping the classic "superman" diamond theme.
- A metallic, steel, or iron influenced treatment to communicate security and strength.
- Darker colors for a more serious tone, though this is optional.
- The final decision will be made by the Supercoin Team.
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Bounty: 5120 SUPER coin (10 blocks) + being winner in a contest


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June 16, 2014, 08:09:02 AM
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NO body get any benefit from Multipool dump. that's the truth.

if busoni did not give us a official reply tomorrow, then we can forget Poloniex and busoni.

after that, Please update the source code again and cut the the pow or reduce the block reward to 16 coin directly,

why we need to suffer Another 1 month Multipool dumping?

give me a reason Please.




both dark coin and XC coin update their source code and cut the pow when they realized the Multipool problem.


8 is it unfair to reduce blockreward again? or any risk?

even you are a miner mining Supercoin now, it‘s unfair for you, because you can not get many Supercoins with Multipool control the more than 80% everyday's coin supply, also Multipool keep dumping, the price will go lower and lower, you mining Supercoin may can not afford your mining cost now. is that fair for you?
if you are a Supercoin investor, it is truly unfair for your investment, because Multipool take the most part profit on all Altcoins. you investment wroth less everyday. it's unfair.
if you want to join Supercoin Community, it’s unfair for you to buy a coin and that coin price goes lower later.

risk: if we can handle this correctly, it may not take risk on Supercoin development, because many Altcoin update their source code several times, such as Darkcoin and XC coin.



DEV, After busoni give us a reply or not, tomorrow is the line, after that, Please Change the reward to 16 coin directly or cut off the pow , Community need this.
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June 16, 2014, 08:20:20 AM
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Finally some buys coming in for Super.

Some insider info!!!!

atleast we have a lot of interest with this scandal.

And hopefully all the issues are resolved soon- reduce POW block and others and polo- and panic buys Smiley)

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June 16, 2014, 08:23:57 AM
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Completely agree with dev. Already reduced pow from 50 mil to 18 mil, and block will halve soon. No need to further make hardforks. I understand every holder of SUPER wish that no more supply, so his coins will worth more. But on the other hand, let's be reasonable. A coin's price is mainly ruled by the traders. I saw last 24 hrs trading volume is 210 BTCs in bittrex for Supercoin. Daily generation is 1.6 BTC as dev said, and not all are dumped. So there's absolutely no need to further reduce, we just shoot our own foot that way, it will not help price.

At worst, eliminating PoW stabilizes the price. Nothing is to be gained from a runaway money supply. People are invested. The coin is distributed. Every PoW coin will get dumped to non-existence over time. That's just a fact of life. PoW is not needed, so end it.

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If the premine is a worry, just burn the appropriate number of coins to adjust the premine to the new coin total:


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June 16, 2014, 08:32:41 AM
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Completely agree with dev. Already reduced pow from 50 mil to 18 mil, and block will halve soon. No need to further make hardforks. I understand every holder of SUPER wish that no more supply, so his coins will worth more. But on the other hand, let's be reasonable. A coin's price is mainly ruled by the traders. I saw last 24 hrs trading volume is 210 BTCs in bittrex for Supercoin. Daily generation is 1.6 BTC as dev said, and not all are dumped. So there's absolutely no need to further reduce, we just shoot our own foot that way, it will not help price.

At worst, eliminating PoW stabilizes the price. Nothing is to be gained from a runaway money supply. People are invested. The coin is distributed. Every PoW coin will get dumped to non-existence over time. That's just a fact of life. PoW is not needed, so end it.


i also agree with to cut pow directly like XC coin or at a very low pow reward like Darkcoin( Average 10 coin now, Check it here  http://chainz.cryptoid.info/drk/).

Dev, make Change, Please.

Change will take Supercoin go further.
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June 16, 2014, 08:35:20 AM
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At worst, eliminating PoW stabilizes the price. Nothing is to be gained from a runaway money supply. People are invested. The coin is distributed. Every PoW coin will get dumped to non-existence over time. That's just a fact of life. PoW is not needed, so end it.


i also agree with to cut pow directly like XC coin or at a very low pow reward like Darkcoin( Average 10 coin now, Check it here  http://chainz.cryptoid.info/drk/).

Dev, make Change, Please.

Change will take Supercoin go further.

If the premine is a worry, just burn the appropriate number of coins to adjust the premine to the new coin total:


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June 16, 2014, 08:35:54 AM
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Dev do you notice that Multipool keep do big harm on supercoin now???

why not end it. they are vampire, we are superman. no fear to fight with them.

But it seems there are too many vampires now. Dev Please end them.




 Grin  Grin  Grin

i run Multipool i know this.....
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June 16, 2014, 08:40:29 AM
Last edit: June 16, 2014, 08:50:57 AM by supercointeam
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Let me explain some why we should not hardfork and stop PoW.
Each hardfork needs about 4 days time, cause a lot of communications needs to be done from our side. And we have already few days before the first halve. At current rate it's effect will be very less.

And there are many pools out there if we shut off PoW and they do not upgrade to newer version. (Because we are killing their business) We have some risk of network attacks (forks getting stronger). We don't know and can't control these. If you noticed we had more than 15 pools in the past. Most of them still not very communicative. It's very hard to reach them.

We have only 18m PoW coins to mine, and the rest will be PoS which is mostly not generates much because of movements to/from exchanges. also pos is good thing to advertise hold.

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June 16, 2014, 08:42:06 AM
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Lets stop all pow coins directly and make them pos! Bitcoin, Litecoin, Peercoin, and all others. That would be great!

Peercoin is PoS. Litecoin has gone steadily down since the beginning of the year.

And you are left with Bitcoin, which is the reference for the others.

Which leaves you with....NOTHING.

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June 16, 2014, 08:43:48 AM
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Haha, are you a child who thinks "if i ask enough, i will get it"?

Probably you can also send some letters to the Gov (Fed)? That would really help Wink

Name some more PoW coins so we can go look at the price charts....

Still waiting on those names.

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June 16, 2014, 08:45:00 AM
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I did a deep analysis of all the filled orders from the available bids and times and sales given by bittrex to certain SUPER addresses.

I only looked at buyers who accumulated at least 1 BTC worth of SUPER from Jun 13th to Jun 16th.

After extensive compiling and filtering,

I found that about 72% of all the "smart money" still has SUPER in their wallets.

I found that around 30% or so, added more SUPER in the latter dates. Probably added to their position.

I found that around 40% or so, scaled out 50% or less of their total position.



I concluded that most of the recent selling must be due to either panic selling from small accounts, lack of bids in the order book, or the so called massive "multipool" dumping.

For example,

SVetCAJU1bTvYER4kxEo4uXcG3g7h3PtJm

Bought ~203800 SUPER. Paid ~5 BTC or so.

The above is only for your information. Don't take any investment advice without considering the risks.



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June 16, 2014, 08:47:31 AM
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Let me explain some why we should not hardfork and stop PoW.
Each hardfork needs about 4 days time, cause a lot of communications needs to be done from our side. And we have already few days before the first halve. At current rate it's effect will be very less.

And there are many pools out there if we shut off PoW and they do not upgrade to newer version. (Because we are killing their business) We have some risk of network attacks (forks getting stronger). We don't know and can't control these. If you noticed we had more than 15 pools in the past. most of them still not very communicative. Very hard to reach them.

We have only 18m PoW coins to mine, and the rest will be PoS which is mostly not generates much because of movements to/from exchanges. also pos is good thing to advertise hold.

All you need is for the exchanges to adopt the new wallets. Make sure the new wallets reject any PoW blocks after a certain time and the conversion will go smoothly.

You will find that PoW is a huge burden. It is a security risk too. Coin2 had to undergo 3 new versions, each a result of an attack on PoW.

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June 16, 2014, 08:48:33 AM
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Let me explain some why we should not hardfork and stop PoW.
Each hardfork needs about 4 days time, cause a lot of communications needs to be done from our side. And we have already few days before the first halve. At current rate it's effect will be very less.

And there are many pools out there if we shut off PoW and they do not upgrade to newer version. (Because we are killing their business) We have some risk of network attacks (forks getting stronger). We don't know and can't control these. If you noticed we had more than 15 pools in the past. most of them still not very communicative. Very hard to reach them.

We have only 18m PoW coins to mine, and the rest will be PoS which is mostly not generates much because of movements to/from exchanges. also pos is good thing to advertise hold.

Community can help with communication work, it's simple

pool will updated their source if they want to mine Supercoin. no fear the hard fork.  XC coins update their source many times.

still a very long time to mine is not good Supercoin, Multipool still control the total supply.

make the change and let's Community do the left works.
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June 16, 2014, 08:48:48 AM
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People shouldnt support too high prices, but they do. Each and every "trader" or "buy and holder" has made the mistake. You can learn from it, or go on with it...

Your advice is to not invest in any PoW coin then.  Cheesy

Very wise indeed.

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June 16, 2014, 08:49:39 AM
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Lets stop all pow coins directly and make them pos! Bitcoin, Litecoin, Peercoin, and all others. That would be great!

Peercoin is PoS. Litecoin has gone steadily down since the beginning of the year.

And you are left with Bitcoin, which is the reference for the others.

Which leaves you with....NOTHING.


Case remains the same or not? All coins should stop pow fase according to bagholders.

People shouldnt support too high prices, but they do. Each and every "trader" or "buy and holder" has made the mistake. You can learn from it, or go on with it...

VRC has no working anon function, coins 26million coins yet it reached 28000 sats, current price around 11k, after POW we will have 18million, poloniex has obviously caused this drop. we only want POW to end so the rise can be sustained to higher levels. ofcourse when pow ends it shall rise again, but that is some time away.

coin is awesome, but id like sustained growth. VRC having 26million coins and being at 11k, shows how big of a opportunity it is. if it wasn't for poloniex we would be above 20k sats now. im hoping when busoni says we made a mistake and add super coin, people will start to pile in as we have a working anon function
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June 16, 2014, 08:50:41 AM
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What are you trying to say? You think it has something to do with the chart?

Per definition its better to stop pow, for the bagholders, or not?

You claim it is not good to be a bagholder for a PoW coin. That is equivalent to saying "don't invest in a PoW coin".

If people shouldn't own a coin, what is the purpose of the coin?

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June 16, 2014, 08:51:24 AM
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Supercoin Long Term Development Advice

hi Supercoin Community

i am provenceday, truly, i have some amount Supercoin(i also have more than 100 posts on this thread).  Although i try to be neutral, but still some advices from me may be very subjective. Please Don't soak up everything uncritically.

about me, i have involved with coins more than 2 years, and mining and holding more than 100 altcoins at least. Also i am running 2 biggest Multipool in China. so i just want to share some experience with Community.


1  Whether Supercoin is a good coin or not?

For me, i believe Supercoin is a good coin deserve to hold. Because Supercoin has a dedicated dev team, yes dev team is the vital to Altcoin (not for bitcoin Grin), if dev team abandoned a altcoin, then the altcoin may not go far. Luckily we have a dedicated team behind Supercoin. Everybody in Community know this.

Supercoin is a pow/pos separated coin with some lucky Super pos block, then everybody will want to open their Supercoin Wallet for super block which can accelerate the transfer confirmation. so supercoin has a very fast confirmation, 6 confirmation less than 2 minutes, it's super fast.
But if you also involve in XC coin Community, you will know XC has a very very slow transfer confirmation, some time it may take 1 hours to get 6 confirmation. because XC coin has a very low Pos Rate(3.33%,but good for price)and some shortcomings on their POS  mechanism.
Supercoin are also also developing Anon Wallet, and has released the alpha Version for public test. it's a big thing. if you innove in altcoin more than 1 years, you will Know Anon feature is hard to accomplished. That's the reason why darkcoin and XC coin still only have a test Anon Wallet. As i know (maybe i am wrong), only Darkcoin and XC coin and Supercoin has a Anon Wallet now(not included Cryptonote technology coin, such as bytecoin or XMR). So that's prove we really has a professional and high-level dev team.

2 Which factors influence the Altcoin price?
Truly, demand decides price in free market. but for Altcoin, mainly 2 things influence the Altcoin price.(i posted this before)
 First is coin inflation, because everyday if we have 0.3 Million supercoin, if the price hit 10K satoshi, you will need 30BTC buying support, that's ok with current circumstances, but if the price hit 100K satoshi, you will need 300BTC support everyday, so it's impossible for nowdays coin, that's the reason why Dark and XC and VRC coin has very low inflation(that's also lead they have a much higher price than Supercoin).
 Second is the Multipool, they will control everyday's coin supply, after they mined this coin, they will dump it soon for profit. and because i am running the 2 biggest Multipool in China,(more than 100G scrypt and X11 hash rate) i know exactly how Multipool works, everyminus Multipool will detect the all coin listed on all exchange platform(if they have a open api), then based the advanced profit Algorithm, they will decide to mine which coin, then they will mine it and dump it ASAP for bitcoins, because they must pay miner bitcoin everyday. otherwise miner will leave, also if miner can not get more profit than mining LTC, miner will also leave, because they can mine LTC instead. From my observe, at the recent 3 days, mining Supercoin is the most profitable thing, it have at least 50% premium than just mining LTC coin. so why not mining Supercoin and then dump it ASAP? it's really a good business for profit!but it's a disaster for Supercoin price.

3 Why same concept Anon coin has much higher price than Supercoin?

Dark price is 0.017BTC (4,387,505 DRK)
XC price is 0.0015BTC (5,512,780 XC)
Vericoin Price is 0.00011BTC (26,768,365 VRC)
Supercoin price is 0.00002995BTC (11,811,810 SUPER)

i do not want to say more, from these statistics, you can make your decision.

4 Price prior or Development affairs prior?
Guys, we are not at 2011,which we has less than 10 Altcoins, we are in 2014,, we have more than 333 Altcoins on coinmarketcap. even bitcoin, if the price keep dropping, most of people will leave. Further more, if the price is higher, then we maybe stable later, we will draw more resource for long term development, it’s a really good thing. that's why dark and XC can not be defeatd easily. Nowdays, innovations need more resource Support.

5 What does mining means for Altcoin?
Now we have the POS algorithm, even without mining, the network is secure. mining is just a way for coin distribution and not very environmentally friendly,do you know how many electricity been wasted by mining bitcoin? Bitcoin Mining Uses $15 Million's Worth Of Electricity Every ...i do believe if satoshi has a better way to distribute bitcoin, he will not choose mining method.

6 what does Multipool does everyday?
i am running some Multipool, i know it. Multipool is vampire. they will bleed white everycoin's profit until they turn to mining LTC again.

7 Should we reduce the block reward more quickly?

i have proposed 2 times to reduce the block reward.
First time, i post this
DEV we need quick Halves, other wise Multipool will keep dumping their coins until pow period ends...


you can also check dark thread, at first the reward is 500coin then reduce to 25 coins after they realised the Multipool dumping.

similar thing happened with XC coin. they ends their mining period soon after they realized Multipool keep dumping

Further more, POS mining is a more greener  way for coin distribution, it do not need GPU cards and waste electricity!

what's the meaning of pow period?

Halves block reward to 64 coins, Please..

I understand your point and concerns, and we will seriously consider your proposal. We know this is what happened to XC and other coins. We will protect the best of our community's interests against multipools. The Supercoin dev team will make a decision on this matter. Thank you for your great support to us.

Dev,Thank you very much! that's the reason:

thanks for your quick reply dev.
i have engaged with altcoin more than one years, have seen so many good coins just killed by Multipool.
i do hope supercoin has a bright future, because we are super!

From my altcoin experience, there are 2 things are really bad for altcoin.

First is coin inflation, because everyday if we have 0.3 Million supercoin, if the price hit 10K satoshi, you will need 30BTC buying support, that's ok with current circumstances, but if the price hit 100K satoshi, you will need 300BTC support everyday, so it's impossible for nowdays coin, that's the reason why dark and XC and VRC coin has very low inflation. i also hope supercoin has a lower inflation.

Second is the Multipool, they will control everyday's coin supply, after they mined this coin, they will dump it soon for profit.

so based the two reasons, i would like to advice to reduce the block reward more quickly and keep the total amount fixed or also can reduce the total amount. otherwise the price is not maintainable.

so how about reduce the block reward every week and at some point keep it at a low block reward?

so now we have 512 coin block reward,
512--》256--》128--》64 ends (4 weeks)
or
512--》256--》128--》64--》32 ends.(Multipool will not profitable any more and keep lower inflation also small miner will mine this coin)(5 weeks)

if we have a lower block reward, people would keep their coin for pos mining, it‘s a better and greener way for coin distributing than Multipool control the coin supply.

But it seems dev are more mild on reduce block, i am more radical. Dev decide to reduce block more quickly, but choose to halves every 10day, at first the halve is every 45 days. After this Announcement, the price rise from 1k satoshi to 4ksatoshi.

Second time i posted this 2days ago:


Community can vote for weather to reduce block reward more quickly.

i do advice Supercoin can update source code again tomorrow, and reduce the block reward to 64 Supercoin or 32 Supercoin directly and then halves everyweek, until we reach 2coin or 1coin block reward, then we can end the pow and turn to a pure pos coin.

we do not need to suffer another 1 month Multipool dumping.or it may kill the young and promising Supercoin

Community can discuss this issue.

it seems both Darkcoin and XC coin make successive update to face Multipool's dumping, we may also need to make a tough decision again.

Thank you very much. welcome any comments on this advice, good or bad? Dev and Community together make a decision for a better Supercoin!


Also dev is very busying at Anon Wallet test on sunday, if we can reduce block reward first, we can put off another two days for Anon Wallet test, i believe Community will Support this.
Thanks for your Support.

But dev are too busy to test the Anon Wallet, so they do not take further action on this.

8 is it unfair to reduce blockreward again? or any risk?

even you are a miner mining Supercoin now, it‘s unfair for you, because you can not get many Supercoins with Multipool control the more than 80% everyday's coin supply, also Multipool keep dumping, the price will go lower and lower, you mining Supercoin may can not afford your mining cost now. is that fair for you?
if you are a Supercoin investor, it is truly unfair for your investment, because Multipool take the most part profit on all Altcoins. you investment wroth less everyday. it's unfair.
if you want to join Supercoin Community, it’s unfair for you to buy a coin and that coin price goes lower later.

risk: if we can handle this correctly, it may not take risk on Supercoin development, because many Altcoin update their source code several times, such as Darkcoin and XC coin.

9 Further development plan advice?

0 decentralized Anon system and trustless mixer
1 more application on Supercoin
2 Mobil basd payment system
3 Merchant adoption
4 media report
5 grow Community
6 keep adding new function on Supercoin
7 charity Fund

Thanks.

Thanks for taking the time to write this post, it is both insightful and very informative.

It's always interesting to get different peoples perspectives, especially those who have a lot of experience in the altcoin world and are active in a space that is completely different to what I do.

Much respect!

Thanks
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June 16, 2014, 08:53:07 AM
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Announcement

You can find on Play store my Supercoin price ticker Android app.

The app can be found within two hours(dependent on Google Play) on Google Play store by searching on the following:
- SUPER price
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- Supercoin price
- Supercoin price ticker
- Price ticker

Or by going to the link: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=nl.wiskunde.supercoin&hl=nl

My Supercoin donation address: SUrSKNEFPsWydQxzR6tRosSNeYyVZnWd8u

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Supercoin(SUPER) price ticker is online! Go to Android Play store to download!

There is a problem with Google Play.

I will temporarely upload the file to: "https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B6Zzbdlv_sKuS1FIN3F4YlgxUjA&usp=drive_web"

When the problem is fixed. I will delete the link.

Sincerely,

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Google has fixed the problem.

Supercoin price ticker Android app is now downloadable via Google Play.

Sincerely,

Wiskunde

Thank you! It's good.
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June 16, 2014, 08:53:29 AM
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once busoni has released statement, i think we should see it rise to new levels, if dev doesn't want to remove POW thats cool, it will just take a little longer, but i think 11k can be sustained, once this poloniex drama is over
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