Bytecoin [BCN] vs MONERO [XMR] who will be the winner in the Cryptonote War

[havanabob]

Here what I found on the forum

Look at what I found - http://cryptvote.com.

Zimstake community is really active, you can see this if you move the mouse on ZS!

If you move the mouse on XMR you will see more 15,000 bought votes!

Zimstake must be in Mintpal this week! We voted honestly all the time, let's make final push this weekend!

Now there's XMR on Mint and their results don't show on http://cryptvote.com. XMR won with a margin of a few thousand votes, anyway 15,000 bought votes is 15 BTC. (Each 0.001 BTC received will count for 1 vote.)

Dudes threw $8,500 cash on the exchange according to conservative estimates. I'm sure they want to quickly get the cash back making a lot of noise around XMR and creating the illusion of activity. Clear to me that once the price rises on the exchanges so that they can recoup their costs, big stakeholders will immediately sell their coins. This's a classic pump and dump just a little longer than usual.

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[stabland]

MONERO DEVZ ARE LITTLE GREEDY MOTHERFUCKERZ WHO WANTZ TO DUMP THEIR INSTAMINE!

known from authorized source

[Garryashas]

If Monero guys’s skills are not enough to create a decent site how they can create well-working coin??

There are 3 translations on http://www.monero.cc/... And “we can’t find what you’re looking for.” Nothing.
It doesn’t seem they really want big future for their coin.    
Design…  is absent. This is not enough to make a white paper for your site.      

So:   XMR site sucks.
  
And XMR's bubble will burst very-very soon.

[john641]

For me there are only 3 CryptoNote coins that have reason to exist.

Bytecoin:
Without this coin we wouldn't had this technology available. Great innovaters but a horrible closed room premine experiment.

Monero:
The first Cryptonote clone. Great community, great devs but the coin was rushed by TFT to be first. Still the XMR community developed proper pool software and optimzed code. Great to have this coin backed by oldschool BTCers.

Boolberry:
Someone who understands Cryptonote better then most people think. Solved the slow syncing issue by using the scratchpad and added many tweaks that benefit the blockchain. A true innovator on top of Cryptonote. Monero maybe has the community but Boolberry has proven to be here for a long time.

The rest of all CN coins are just clones and made for a quick buck, dont support them let them die asap.

BBR is not a pure Cryptonote coin because it use Wild Keccak.

QCN is able to become a leader if we will view cryptocurrencies like a marathon but not a sprint.

[JPSelzer]

Quiet an alarming thing.

I was waiting they would let it go up to $4 before the dump.

But for some reason they decided to dump their instamine earlier. Nothing bad with that, I also had a chance to mine some. Everybody had. But this topic is strange.

Maybe it is because the original developer of Bitmonero has the idea of relaunching and splitting the blockchain with new community support.

I think it is the best time to sell almost all XMR now. Sad I expected more organized game.
 
!!! Can sell huge amount of XMR/BMR/MRO whatsoever for QCN or BTC at a special price. Just PM me and we make the deal. Be fast!

[JPSelzer]

Here what I found on the forum

Look at what I found - http://cryptvote.com.

Zimstake community is really active, you can see this if you move the mouse on ZS!

If you move the mouse on XMR you will see more 15,000 bought votes!

Zimstake must be in Mintpal this week! We voted honestly all the time, let's make final push this weekend!

Now there's XMR on Mint and their results don't show on http://cryptvote.com. XMR won with a margin of a few thousand votes, anyway 15,000 bought votes is 15 BTC. (Each 0.001 BTC received will count for 1 vote.)

Dudes threw $8,500 cash on the exchange according to conservative estimates. I'm sure they want to quickly get the cash back making a lot of noise around XMR and creating the illusion of activity. Clear to me that once the price rises on the exchanges so that they can recoup their costs, big stakeholders will immediately sell their coins. This's a classic pump and dump just a little longer than usual.

Unfortunately the XMR guys got very badly organized recently. And getting worse day from day.

May be there are some internal problems inside the team?
So, what's the plan? 

A lot of noise and chaos and less real work.
But was very enthusiastic start.

No bubble lasts long, it is clear. The question is "what is the good time to quit"?

Who's next taking the challenge?

[darkota]

The only thing that bothers me about XMR is its suspicious difficulty chart. Several big peaks which are not associated with any event, so it's probably a botnet.

It has been discussed recently that XMR diff peaks coincide with mining trojan activity all over the web - if it will go further this way XMRs future is very questionable.

Monero can be mined by GPU's now. So Botnets(which also was there for Bitcoins beginnings) are much less of a "problem"..

GPU's are much less effective compared to CPU. Unfortunately, GPU mining is not solving the problem.

I think Bitcoin history is irrelevant now since it was 4 years ago and botnet issue (in terms of mining, of course) probably should be resolved by now. I'm not a tech guy tho, so I can't suggest something specific.

now I know most of you people are trolls. GPUs are much more effective than CPUs at mining genius....are you that dumb...

[tacotime]

Unfortunately the XMR guys got very badly organized recently. And getting worse day from day.

May be there are some internal problems inside the team?
So, what's the plan?  

A lot of noise and chaos and less real work.
But was very enthusiastic start.

No bubble lasts long, it is clear. The question is "what is the good time to quit"?

Who's next taking the challenge?

I'm working with three different devs and we're pushing code to branches that's being tested daily. There aren't any internal problems, fluffypony is out with rpietila and Peter Todd in Europe right now discussing the future of the chain and engineering issues regarding it.

There are many big things that will be rolled out in the coming months, so stay tuned.

[Hexah]

The only thing that bothers me about XMR is its suspicious difficulty chart. Several big peaks which are not associated with any event, so it's probably a botnet.

It has been discussed recently that XMR diff peaks coincide with mining trojan activity all over the web - if it will go further this way XMRs future is very questionable.

Monero can be mined by GPU's now. So Botnets(which also was there for Bitcoins beginnings) are much less of a "problem"..

GPU's are much less effective compared to CPU. Unfortunately, GPU mining is not solving the problem.

I think Bitcoin history is irrelevant now since it was 4 years ago and botnet issue (in terms of mining, of course) probably should be resolved by now. I'm not a tech guy tho, so I can't suggest something specific.

now I know most of you people are trolls. GPUs are much more effective than CPUs at mining genius....are you that dumb...

Did you mean A BIT effective?  +50 h/s! It's not "much more effective " at all.

Why does MRO guys like to exaggerate everything?

[stabland]

Unfortunately the XMR guys got very badly organized recently. And getting worse day from day.

May be there are some internal problems inside the team?
So, what's the plan?  

A lot of noise and chaos and less real work.
But was very enthusiastic start.

No bubble lasts long, it is clear. The question is "what is the good time to quit"?

Who's next taking the challenge?

I'm working with three different devs and we're pushing code to branches that's being tested daily. There aren't any internal problems, fluffypony is out with rpietila and Peter Todd in Europe right now discussing the future of the chain and engineering issues regarding it.

There are many big things that will be rolled out in the coming months, so stay tuned.

THERE ARE MANY BIG THINGS THAT MONERO WILL STEAL FROM BBR AND BCN DEVS AND MUCH MORE USELESS FIXES IN COMING MONTHS SO STAY TUNED

[kbm]

I won't fight FUD with FUD

FUD is commonly used against giant successful companies too

FUD can be fought with facts

People will say anything to make themselves look good

What is FUD anyways?

A better understanding of FUD

[darlidada]

so much trolling in this thread...

if you guys want to learn things or make money or do both at the same time, it's happening there: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=624223.0

[Cheesus]

so much trolling in this thread...

if you guys want to learn things or make money or do both at the same time, it's happening there: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=624223.0

There's one thing I don't understand. Why is any of this trolling?

As soon as someone talks about BCN you guys are running with the speed of light to FUD about the questionable devs, premine etc.
BUT, when someone calls bullshit on XMR it's all trolling. What the hell with all the hypocrisy?

You know, I'm usually calm about this whole forum wars, but seriously, this is too much.

[havanabob]

The only thing that bothers me about XMR is its suspicious difficulty chart. Several big peaks which are not associated with any event, so it's probably a botnet.

It has been discussed recently that XMR diff peaks coincide with mining trojan activity all over the web - if it will go further this way XMRs future is very questionable.

Monero can be mined by GPU's now. So Botnets(which also was there for Bitcoins beginnings) are much less of a "problem"..

GPU's are much less effective compared to CPU. Unfortunately, GPU mining is not solving the problem.

I think Bitcoin history is irrelevant now since it was 4 years ago and botnet issue (in terms of mining, of course) probably should be resolved by now. I'm not a tech guy tho, so I can't suggest something specific.

now I know most of you people are trolls. GPUs are much more effective than CPUs at mining genius....are you that dumb...

Claymore provides virtually no benefits now. So you are dumb.

[havanabob]

Unfortunately the XMR guys got very badly organized recently. And getting worse day from day.

May be there are some internal problems inside the team?
So, what's the plan?  

A lot of noise and chaos and less real work.
But was very enthusiastic start.

No bubble lasts long, it is clear. The question is "what is the good time to quit"?

Who's next taking the challenge?

I'm working with three different devs and we're pushing code to branches that's being tested daily. There aren't any internal problems, fluffypony is out with rpietila and Peter Todd in Europe right now discussing the future of the chain and engineering issues regarding it.

There are many big things that will be rolled out in the coming months, so stay tuned.

THERE ARE MANY BIG THINGS THAT MONERO WILL STEAL FROM BBR AND BCN DEVS AND MUCH MORE USELESS FIXES IN COMING MONTHS SO STAY TUNED

What do you mean? (Don't write such large letters, if you can.)

[mkasiak]

Bytecoin has been premined 82%.

Boolberry has been hugely instamined probably over 20% with 1 guy making 2,000 Boolberry per day off his private gpu miner as of right now, since Boolberry uses Wild Keccak instead of Cryptonight algorithm. He was making 7,000 boolberry per day for a long time before the difficulty increased, and Boolberry only has 18million total coins. I'd say that 1 guy owns more than 20% of all Boolberries as of right now. Boolberry has both a guy with a private gpu miner that gets 2,000 boolberry per day as of right now, As well as botnets. I wouldnt be suprised if Boolberry has over a 60% instamine.

Monero is the only fairly launched cryptonote coin with a large very active dev team..

Monero wins hands down.

Darkota, you are really troll! It does not make sense to explain you anything, but for others, who are interested in facts:

Read this post of Boolberry dev: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=577267.msg7479014#msg7479014   - it shows that coin mining is pretty well distributed. Moreover, the guy who owns GPU miner is pretty open about it. This was discussed a lot and if it is the only problem of Boolberry, then I am pretty comfortable to invest into it. He made an innovation and innovations are what moves society (and also cryptocoins and boolberry) forward. Moreover - the difference between CPU and GPU mining is not so high if you count also costs (not only mined coins).  And finally - it seems, the miner will be opensourced soon.

For me, the more important issue is botnet friendlines of a coin. Somebody provided interesting information about this and Monero. If I would own XMR, I would check it carefully. Botnet owners are real thieves, who do not hesitate to dump any coin for quick profit. To be honest, I do not know, how is it with botnets and BBR, but I will try to investigate it on my own.

[darkota]

Bytecoin has been premined 82%.

Boolberry has been hugely instamined probably over 20% with 1 guy making 2,000 Boolberry per day off his private gpu miner as of right now, since Boolberry uses Wild Keccak instead of Cryptonight algorithm. He was making 7,000 boolberry per day for a long time before the difficulty increased, and Boolberry only has 18million total coins. I'd say that 1 guy owns more than 20% of all Boolberries as of right now. Boolberry has both a guy with a private gpu miner that gets 2,000 boolberry per day as of right now, As well as botnets. I wouldnt be suprised if Boolberry has over a 60% instamine.

Monero is the only fairly launched cryptonote coin with a large very active dev team..

Monero wins hands down.

[nutildah]

Bytecoin has been premined 82%.

Boolberry has been hugely instamined probably over 20% with 1 guy making 2,000 Boolberry per day off his private gpu miner as of right now, since Boolberry uses Wild Keccak instead of Cryptonight algorithm. He was making 7,000 boolberry per day for a long time before the difficulty increased, and Boolberry only has 18million total coins. I'd say that 1 guy owns more than 20% of all Boolberries as of right now. Boolberry has both a guy with a private gpu miner that gets 2,000 boolberry per day as of right now, As well as botnets. I wouldnt be suprised if Boolberry has over a 60% instamine.

Monero is the only fairly launched cryptonote coin with a large very active dev team..

Monero wins hands down.

Your opinion is highly suspect seeing as how you started a moderated thread called "Litecoin is Dead," then have been deleting every post to the contrary of your absurd statement.

Monero is a sinking ship. First it was XBC, then it was XC, now its XMR. If the rabid flaming trollbox pack attaches itself to your coin, consider it done. Good coins don't need cheerleaders or hired goons. They support themselves with their own integrity.

[mkasiak]

Bytecoin has been premined 82%.

Boolberry has been hugely instamined probably over 20% with 1 guy making 2,000 Boolberry per day off his private gpu miner as of right now, since Boolberry uses Wild Keccak instead of Cryptonight algorithm. He was making 7,000 boolberry per day for a long time before the difficulty increased, and Boolberry only has 18million total coins. I'd say that 1 guy owns more than 20% of all Boolberries as of right now. Boolberry has both a guy with a private gpu miner that gets 2,000 boolberry per day as of right now, As well as botnets. I wouldnt be suprised if Boolberry has over a 60% instamine.

Monero is the only fairly launched cryptonote coin with a large very active dev team..

Monero wins hands down.

Darkota, you are really troll! It does not make sense to explain you anything, but for others, who are interested in facts:

Read this post of Boolberry dev: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=577267.msg7479014#msg7479014   - it shows that coin mining is pretty well distributed. Moreover, the guy who owns GPU miner is pretty open about it. This was discussed a lot and if it is the only problem of Boolberry, then I am pretty comfortable to invest into it. He made an innovation and innovations are what moves society (and also cryptocoins and boolberry) forward. Moreover - the difference between CPU and GPU mining is not so high if you count also costs (not only mined coins).  And finally - it seems, the miner will be opensourced soon.

For me, the more important issue is botnet friendlines of a coin. Somebody provided interesting information about this and Monero. If I would own XMR, I would check it carefully. Botnet owners are real thieves, who do not hesitate to dump any coin for quick profit. To be honest, I do not know, how is it with botnets and BBR, but I will try to investigate it on my own.

Bytecoin has been premined 82%.

Boolberry has been hugely instamined probably over 20% with 1 guy making 2,000 Boolberry per day off his private gpu miner as of right now, since Boolberry uses Wild Keccak instead of Cryptonight algorithm. He was making 7,000 boolberry per day for a long time before the difficulty increased, and Boolberry only has 18million total coins. I'd say that 1 guy owns more than 20% of all Boolberries as of right now. Boolberry has both a guy with a private gpu miner that gets 2,000 boolberry per day as of right now, As well as botnets. I wouldnt be suprised if Boolberry has over a 60% instamine.

Monero is the only fairly launched cryptonote coin with a large very active dev team..

Monero wins hands down.

What do you think, Darkota? That if you delete your original post and paste it exactly the same after my answer to it, will it make your arguments better? It is new level of trolling, but I am not going to play your game. You can be proud to be first person on my ignore list. Welcome!

[Saigonsmokes]

Bytecoin has been premined 82%.

Boolberry has been hugely instamined probably over 20% with 1 guy making 2,000 Boolberry per day off his private gpu miner as of right now, since Boolberry uses Wild Keccak instead of Cryptonight algorithm. He was making 7,000 boolberry per day for a long time before the difficulty increased, and Boolberry only has 18million total coins. I'd say that 1 guy owns more than 20% of all Boolberries as of right now. Boolberry has both a guy with a private gpu miner that gets 2,000 boolberry per day as of right now, As well as botnets. I wouldnt be suprised if Boolberry has over a 60% instamine.

Monero is the only fairly launched cryptonote coin with a large very active dev team..

Monero wins hands down.

Ignore DARKOTA he is a troll who PUMPS and DUMPS - Look at his original thread here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=658541.100

Then look here:

 https://bitcointa.lk/threads/litecoin-is-officially-dead.331214/page-5

Troll on indeed:

http://coinmap.org/
www.uselitecoin.com

This thread is starting to show the true TROLL: I have been PM'ing everyone in this thread, some have even joined the Litecoin Talk forum because of this troll so i actually think its ok his lies - everyone is being PM'd this:

'Litecoin is dead'

Look at the original thread - he has deleted more than 40 posts from people supporting Litecoin, he is a troll who pumps and dumps