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[pakage]

Mods on polo dont even know about the swap. Sending them a link now.

I have been in direct contact with the owner of Polo, Tristan. Perhaps the mods might help convince him though

[ninjaboon]

Are there still active NavCoin_3.4.2_Coin_Swap_Wallet nodes?

If not I cannot swap my old coins.

What is the RPC port for the client NavCoin_3.4.2_Coin_Swap_Wallet?

Is it 44440 or 55440?

issue solved, modified navcoin.conf to a lower port, router does not like 44440;

rpcuser=username
rpcpassword=password
rpcallowip=127.0.0.1
rpcport=44444
port=9123
listen=1
daemon=1
server=1
addnode=95.183.51.15
addnode=5.230.145.133
addnode=95.183.53.184
addnode=95.183.50.54
addnode=1.34.180.245
addnode=104.236.223.182
addnode=14.218.56.146
addnode=14.218.68.15
addnode=155.94.190.189
addnode=175.139.60.22
addnode=175.214.144.141
addnode=176.154.77.92
addnode=185.61.148.209
addnode=2.121.162.167
addnode=2.121.28.222
addnode=2.121.4.181
addnode=2.84.167.61
addnode=208.95.215.81
addnode=212.180.171.44
addnode=213.108.119.84
addnode=217.248.39.11
addnode=217.248.56.246
addnode=45.50.28.121
addnode=45.59.171.33
addnode=73.246.201.74
addnode=73.254.153.254
addnode=73.35.112.73
addnode=84.84.197.176
addnode=86.173.93.180
addnode=91.153.109.149
addnode=95.183.50.54
addnode=95.183.51.15
addnode=95.183.53.184

tried running nav 2 on windows 7 and 8 but I get below errors in debug.log

CAnonSendPool::DoAutomaticDenominating - Last successful anonsend action was too recent
socket recv error 10054
socket recv error 10054
socket recv error 10054
socket recv error 10054
socket recv error 10054

[pakage]

Are there still active NavCoin_3.4.2_Coin_Swap_Wallet nodes?

If not I cannot swap my old coins.

What is the RPC port for the client NavCoin_3.4.2_Coin_Swap_Wallet?

Is it 44440 or 55440?

issue solved, modified navcoin.conf to a lower port, router does not like 44440;

rpcuser=username
rpcpassword=password
rpcallowip=127.0.0.1
rpcport=44444
port=9123
listen=1
daemon=1
server=1
addnode=95.183.51.15
addnode=5.230.145.133
addnode=95.183.53.184
addnode=95.183.50.54
addnode=1.34.180.245
addnode=104.236.223.182
addnode=14.218.56.146
addnode=14.218.68.15
addnode=155.94.190.189
addnode=175.139.60.22
addnode=175.214.144.141
addnode=176.154.77.92
addnode=185.61.148.209
addnode=2.121.162.167
addnode=2.121.28.222
addnode=2.121.4.181
addnode=2.84.167.61
addnode=208.95.215.81
addnode=212.180.171.44
addnode=213.108.119.84
addnode=217.248.39.11
addnode=217.248.56.246
addnode=45.50.28.121
addnode=45.59.171.33
addnode=73.246.201.74
addnode=73.254.153.254
addnode=73.35.112.73
addnode=84.84.197.176
addnode=86.173.93.180
addnode=91.153.109.149
addnode=95.183.50.54
addnode=95.183.51.15
addnode=95.183.53.184

tried running nav 2 on windows 7 and 8 but I get below errors in debug.log

CAnonSendPool::DoAutomaticDenominating - Last successful anonsend action was too recent
socket recv error 10054
socket recv error 10054
socket recv error 10054
socket recv error 10054
socket recv error 10054

navcoin.conf settings for the old blockchain are as follows:

hmm k.

Please use this conf:

rpcuser=username
rpcpassword=password
rpcallowip=127.0.0.1
rpcport=44444
port=44440
listen=1
daemon=1
server=1
addnode=95.183.51.15
addnode=5.230.145.133
addnode=95.183.53.184
addnode=95.183.50.54


copy it to "navcoin.conf" . I just tested it and it starts directly to sync.

Sorry for problems you have mate.
 

[rakesh1_90]

We need to follow Xem coins example, Do not sell at low prices if you want to make it big.
Let the volume grow and automatically everyone will take notice.

[sluppy]

We need to follow Xem coins example, Do not sell at low prices if you want to make it big.
Let the volume grow and automatically everyone will take notice.

I think a lot of the people that Hold nav have been holding for a long time their not selling Cheap or at all.
Let the volume grow ? its not a plant we need attention and effort from the community to "Make" the volume grow.

[juguelio]

Mods on polo dont even know about the swap. Sending them a link now.

I have been in direct contact with the owner of Polo, Tristan. Perhaps the mods might help convince him though

I've been talking to mods today. They suggested I move my coins to the Manual swap. They couldn't say anything about them moving to NAV 2.0 anytime soon.
He suggested me to send a ''new coin'' request.

I think as a community we should fill plenty of those requests.

Here is the link.

https://www.poloniex.com/coinRequest

[rakesh1_90]

We need to follow Xem coins example, Do not sell at low prices if you want to make it big.
Let the volume grow and automatically everyone will take notice.

I think a lot of the people that Hold nav have been holding for a long time their not selling Cheap or at all.
Let the volume grow ? its not a plant we need attention and effort from the community to "Make" the volume grow.

What?

Use google translate atleast. Hard to guage what you are mumbling.

[CryptKeeper]

Mods on polo dont even know about the swap. Sending them a link now.

I have been in direct contact with the owner of Polo, Tristan. Perhaps the mods might help convince him though

I've been talking to mods today. They suggested I move my coins to the Manual swap. They couldn't say anything about them moving to NAV 2.0 anytime soon.
He suggested me to send a ''new coin'' request.

I think as a community we should fill plenty of those requests.

Here is the link.

https://www.poloniex.com/coinRequest

Thanks for the link, request filed.

[sluppy]

We need to follow Xem coins example, Do not sell at low prices if you want to make it big.
Let the volume grow and automatically everyone will take notice.

I think a lot of the people that Hold nav have been holding for a long time their not selling Cheap or at all.
Let the volume grow ? its not a plant we need attention and effort from the community to "Make" the volume grow.

blabla

Troll welcome to my ignore list.

[rakesh1_90]

We need to follow Xem coins example, Do not sell at low prices if you want to make it big.
Let the volume grow and automatically everyone will take notice.

I think a lot of the people that Hold nav have been holding for a long time their not selling Cheap or at all.
Let the volume grow ? its not a plant we need attention and effort from the community to "Make" the volume grow.

blabla

Me legendary stupid, ignore me plz! (Me going English class)**smiley**

Hmm...Okay, mind it next time!

[hashforce101]

Everyone Remove your coins from POLONIEX and also jump on their chat and let everyone know to do manual swap

[pakage]

Hi Everyone,

To keep you updated, we are still trading old NAV on Poloniex at this point in time. We are attempting to resolve the issues with Poloniex owner Tristan directly and we are still confident this will get resolved shortly.

His major concerns are:

• He doesn't want any NAV investors to lose their coins by missing the swap period.
• He doesn't think Poloniex has the right to swap users coins without their permission.

I have explained that part of the point of the coin swap was to remove the stolen Cryptsy coins from circulation and I have proposed the following solutions to get us back on Poloniex:

• We extend the swap period indefinitely. If someone comes to us with their old coins at any point in the future we will guarantee their coins can be swapped for the new coin at 1:1.
• We leave the old Nav market open on your exchange so users can withdraw but also open the new one. We contact the people with the old coin on your exchange and we make them aware of the coin swap process.

I am still waiting to hear back to see if these are acceptable terms to him. I can't see why they would be rejected, they address his concerns and are pretty reasonable suggestions i think.

What are the communities thoughts on my proposed solutions? Having both markets Poloniex until the old NAV are naturally drained seems reasonable but I want more opinions on having the coin swap open indefinitely. This would mean that Big Vern and / or the Cryptsy hacker could come back at any point and swap their NAV and for that purpose the coin swap is invalid.

Cast your votes here: http://www.poll-maker.com/poll736899x71cB4e4d-30

To be perfectly honest, since we have no idea which wallets were owned by Cyrptsy, the coins could have already been swapped for all we know. However, prolonging the swap period will increase the probability of this happening at some point.

I would suggest we only leave the swap wallets active for a defined period of time and anyone after that, has to go through the dev team directly so we can personally verify their claim.

We can leave this case by case claim open indefinitely and at the dev teams discretion. If in 2 years time someone comes to swap 5million NAV we will be suspicious of course and act appropriately.

We will of course continue our campaign to get on other exchanges also. We are going through the list of exchanges which DASH is traded on and attempting to get the new coin listed on those.

Any thoughts or ideas appreciated!

Craig.

[nwfella]

Personally I would probably go with a 90-120 day timeframe.  Sufficient time to perform the swap (for those that haven't already, myself included), and ample time time for you guys to prepare for the switch.

[CryptKeeper]

• We extend the swap period indefinitely. If someone comes to us with their old coins at any point in the future we will guarantee their coins can be swapped for the new coin at 1:1.
• We leave the old Nav market open on your exchange so users can withdraw but also open the new one. We contact the people with the old coin on your exchange and we make them aware of the coin swap process.

I second that and I'm glad that my concerns are finally getting attention!

Any coins which remain unswapped after the final cut off date will be entrusted to the Nav Foundation and used to help cover costs for the 12+ servers we rent to run the anonymous network and to fund Nav Coin's future developments.

Using the leftover amount of coins for staking is ok, but taking them away from their owners is shady. That's not how crypto currencies should work! To avoid any accusations make it at least a very long period - one year or even longer - for manual swaps.

[djselery]

I think 90 days from now is more than enough time due to cryptsy concerns.
Polo should give fair warning about the swap in there notices box, then in one weeks time just do the swap themselves(its not that hard) then run 2.0 and no one would be the wiser.
polo is making this harder than it should be, just lock it up for a few hours while its swapped. i bet no one even notices.
plus putting this statement on polo notice box will be free advertising.
this is the only way to do it with out pissing people off. I hope tristan sees this, i know the mods agree with me.
close the market, lock it, swap it, done. and then all sides are happy.

[bspus]

People have had ample time to find out about it. Anyone who can't swap now for any reason could just contact the team and secure their swapping at a future date.

At some point the focus should return to actual development. Swap should have finished by now. Polo is just lookin for excuses because they can't be bothered, probably due to low volume of NAV trading

[pakage]

• We extend the swap period indefinitely. If someone comes to us with their old coins at any point in the future we will guarantee their coins can be swapped for the new coin at 1:1.
• We leave the old Nav market open on your exchange so users can withdraw but also open the new one. We contact the people with the old coin on your exchange and we make them aware of the coin swap process.

I second that and I'm glad that my concerns are finally getting attention!

Any coins which remain unswapped after the final cut off date will be entrusted to the Nav Foundation and used to help cover costs for the 12+ servers we rent to run the anonymous network and to fund Nav Coin's future developments.

Using the leftover amount of coins for staking is ok, but taking them away from their owners is shady. That's not how crypto currencies should work! To avoid any accusations make it at least a very long period - one year or even longer - for manual swaps.

Hey CryptKeeper, yes they are valid concerns. Concerns that are shared by the Dev Team and largely unnecessary as I will explain:

If we refer to the NAV 2.0 Announcement Post

After the total 4 week swap period, the NAV Foundation will assume guardianship of any unclaimed coins. From then onwards users can contact us if they missed out on the swap and we will do our best to see they get their coins upgraded. Past that, the foundation will use the unswapped coins for covering the costs of new projects and server’s upkeep.

We always stated that anyone who missed the coin swap and is a legitimate NAV owner will be able to get their coins upgraded.

I've repeated this quite a few times:

We want everyone who rightfully owns Nav to get their coins swapped.

The Nav Foundation will hold the coins and attempt to perform manual swaps for any late comers to the process. After this, the remaining coins will be used to fund future development and pay hosting costs of the anonymous network which ultimately benefits all users of Nav Coin.

What we want to do is close off the manual swap method using the NAV Wallet and Coin Swapper which I built at a certain date. If anyone misses that date, they will need to approach us directly and we will swap their coins for them on a case by case basis. This way we can attempt to block the Cryptsy thief while still getting all rightful owners their coins.

Yes we have also said that would like to use some of the unswapped coins to help pay for anonymous server infrastructure and perhaps fund some development projects. We only intended this as a way of reusing the stolen Cryptsy funds to benefit all NAV investors, not to take away coins from legitimate investors. If by some miracle Cryptsy is brought back online with all its NAV wallets intact, then we would also gladly swap those coins too, even if it meant the Foundation had to buy back coins it had used for projects.

[Mrboot]

Did bittrex Already did a swap ?

Just wanna know if there is a diffrence between polo and bittrex already.

[sluppy]

I think 90 days from now is more than enough time due to cryptsy concerns.
Polo should give fair warning about the swap in there notices box, then in one weeks time just do the swap themselves(its not that hard) then run 2.0 and no one would be the wiser.
polo is making this harder than it should be, just lock it up for a few hours while its swapped. i bet no one even notices.
plus putting this statement on polo notice box will be free advertising.
this is the only way to do it with out pissing people off. I hope tristan sees this, i know the mods agree with me.
close the market, lock it, swap it, done. and then all sides are happy.

I agree with this its by far the best way.
Poloniex saying we should keep nav1.0 alive indefinitely  because they don't want to do anything to their customers coins is garbage that doesn't make any sense.

Bspus is also right if Nav was making big volume you bet your ass poloniex would have swapped it already.

[sluppy]

Did bittrex Already did a swap ?

Just wanna know if there is a diffrence between polo and bittrex already.

Bittrex swapped to nav 2.0 Poloniex is still trading the old nav 1.0.