Malaysia Airlines MH17 Crash: Boeing 777 Crashed in Ukraine Near Russian Border

[BCEmporium]

Video and more...http://www.infowars.com/ukrainian-fighter-jets-hid-behind-passenger-plane-pulled-away-and-dropped-bombs-and-then-hid-behind-plane-once-again/

I, and most of the non-Russian speaking World, can't understand a word of what that girl is saying, but I believe the Japanese will make a Manga cartoon with her to pair up with the Crimean prosecutor if they see the video...

This is why Google translate is built into YouTube, which is where the subtitles are coming from.

Subs doesn't load unless loading at YouTube itself, reason why I hadn't see them.
After see with subs and listen to the foxy girl babbling about the "evil right wingers", she sounds nothing like a non-credible brainwashed woman.

[ibminer]

Video and more...http://www.infowars.com/ukrainian-fighter-jets-hid-behind-passenger-plane-pulled-away-and-dropped-bombs-and-then-hid-behind-plane-once-again/

I, and most of the non-Russian speaking World, can't understand a word of what that girl is saying, but I believe the Japanese will make a Manga cartoon with her to pair up with the Crimean prosecutor if they see the video...

This is why Google translate is built into YouTube, which is where the subtitles are coming from.

Subs doesn't load unless loading at YouTube itself, reason why I hadn't see them.
After see with subs and listen to the foxy girl babbling about the "evil right wingers", she sounds nothing like a non-credible brainwashed woman.

Didn't realize the embedded version didn't show them!   And I would agree with your assessment of the woman. 

[Paya]

Cracks in rebels story: one of the their commanders, Alexander Khodakovsky, admitted that his forces had Buk SAM, that it might had been supplied by Russia, involved in shooting down MH17, and then smuggled back over the border. He also said that although it is expected from him to represent the side he is fighting for, this doesn't mean that it must always reflect his own views: "This causes real discomfort to my soul."

Article: http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/mh17-ukraine-rebels-admit-having-moscow-supplied-buk-missile-system-1458032

And if we follow the link and read the article, we see that "Khodakovsky suggested the missile system had probably come from Russia and was smuggled back across the border after MH17 was shot down". Surely not something that you would describe as "admitted".

He admits that rebels had Buk, that's where he was clear. The rest is all "might", "could" and "maybe". I think I've put it quite well in my post.

[Tzupy]

http://aviationweek.com/defense/buk-missile-system-lethal-undiscriminating

[TheIrishman]

MH17: Ukraine separatist commander "admits" rebels had Buk missile system

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/23/mh17-ukraine-separatists-buk-missile-system

<< Alexander Khodakovsky reportedly told news agency rebels may have received Buk from Russia, then changes story. >>

[niothor]

Ukrainian fighter jets were flying very close to Malaysian Flight 17 when it was shot down
Is THIS Why the Plane Was Shot Down?

Senior U.S. officials now admit that the Malaysian airlines passenger plane was likely accidentally shot down.

The Russian government claims Ukrainian fighter jets were flying very close to Malaysian Flight 17 when it was shot down.  Others claim that Ukrainian fighter jets were escorting the Malaysian plane through Ukrainian airspace.

However, a Youtube video made a month before Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 was shot down alleges that Ukranian fighter jets were hiding behind passenger planes, pulling away temporarily, dropping bombs on Ukrainian separatists, and then hiding again behind the plane

Video and more...http://www.infowars.com/ukrainian-fighter-jets-hid-behind-passenger-plane-pulled-away-and-dropped-bombs-and-then-hid-behind-plane-once-again/

Too me it seems more like a propaganda video to justify why the plane was shot down now that nobody believes it anymore that it wasn't the rebels who took it down. (besides Russians).

They already started to admit they had the buk , that it was sent to them by...sooner or later they will admit they did launch the missile.

[needbmw]

MH17: Ukraine separatist commander "admits" rebels had Buk missile system

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/23/mh17-ukraine-separatists-buk-missile-system

<< Alexander Khodakovsky reportedly told news agency rebels may have received Buk from Russia, then changes story. >>

Fake, Khodakovsky itself denies this.
http://ria.ru/world/20140723/1017273394.html

[TheIrishman]

Why was MH17, a civilian airliner, flying over a war zone?

http://www.economist.com/blogs/economist-explains/2014/07/economist-explains-14

<< The news that a passenger jet had been shot down on July 17th, apparently following the bungled targeting of a surface-to-air missile, was met with horror. Along with many other questions about the tragedy, some have wondered what Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 was doing flying over eastern Ukraine, which has been the setting of a low-intensity war for several months. >>

[niothor]

But why no one saw the trail from the missile?

Well.. that is the million dollar question. If it was a SA-11 Buk, then definitely there would have been a smoke plume 10 km+ long, which would remain in the atmosphere for a minimum of 3 hours. Strange that no one saw the plume. And we don't have any YouTube videos as well.

Minimum 3 hours?

From where did you pulled this out?
Even the smoke from a spaceship is gone in less then an hour.

Use your brain before posting things like this.
In the other thread you posted that this trail of smoke would be visible from 50+km.

Do you honestly believe a country would use this kind of missiles that would make them a clear target for any artillery battery or plane in the air for hours?

I've witnessed two exercises of the 1st brigade at midia which has kubs launchers and trust me there was no trail left in 10 mins. Even the older volhov rockets which weight 2 tons won't leave a longer trail.

[ABitNut]

But why no one saw the trail from the missile?

Well.. that is the million dollar question. If it was a SA-11 Buk, then definitely there would have been a smoke plume 10 km+ long, which would remain in the atmosphere for a minimum of 3 hours. Strange that no one saw the plume. And we don't have any YouTube videos as well.

Minimum 3 hours?

From where did you pulled this out?
Even the smoke from a spaceship is gone in less then an hour.

Use your brain before posting things like this.
In the other thread you posted that this trail of smoke would be visible from 50+km.

Do you honestly believe a country would use this kind of missiles that would make them a clear target for any artillery battery or plane in the air for hours?

I've witnessed two exercises of the 1st brigade at midia which has kubs launchers and trust me there was no trail left in 10 mins. Even the older volhov rockets which weight 2 tons won't leave a longer trail.

How long the trail is visible will depend on the atmospheric conditions, but I agree that 30 minutes seems very long.

Still it is a valid question why there is no direct evidence of a launch. Is nobody watching the war in Ukraine? Where are the twitter pictures that allegedly were posted by rebels and deleted almost instantly? Where are the radar images of the launch, or are you telling me no radar could pick up a missile? Where are the satellite images of the launch? Where are the post flight briefings of the pilots supposedly flying near MH-17; and do they mention any SA missile launch? Where are the remnants of the missile that hit MH-17?

I'm sure the evidence is available. Why is it not being released!?

[niothor]

But why no one saw the trail from the missile?

Well.. that is the million dollar question. If it was a SA-11 Buk, then definitely there would have been a smoke plume 10 km+ long, which would remain in the atmosphere for a minimum of 3 hours. Strange that no one saw the plume. And we don't have any YouTube videos as well.

Minimum 3 hours?

From where did you pulled this out?
Even the smoke from a spaceship is gone in less then an hour.

Use your brain before posting things like this.
In the other thread you posted that this trail of smoke would be visible from 50+km.

Do you honestly believe a country would use this kind of missiles that would make them a clear target for any artillery battery or plane in the air for hours?

I've witnessed two exercises of the 1st brigade at midia which has kubs launchers and trust me there was no trail left in 10 mins. Even the older volhov rockets which weight 2 tons won't leave a longer trail.

How long the trail is visible will depend on the atmospheric conditions, but I agree that 30 minutes seems very long.

Still it is a valid question why there is no direct evidence of a launch. Is nobody watching the war in Ukraine? Where are the twitter pictures that allegedly were posted by rebels and deleted almost instantly? Where are the radar images of the launch, or are you telling me no radar could pick up a missile? Where are the satellite images of the launch? Where are the post flight briefings of the pilots supposedly flying near MH-17; and do they mention any SA missile launch? Where are the remnants of the missile that hit MH-17?

I'm sure the evidence is available. Why is it not being released!?

Ok . let me try and answer a few of those...
1) I don't know about twitter pictures (where there any?) but the claim made by the rebels is posted so many times in this thread that you can just look for it
2) A military radar could of course pick up the missile the us has already claimed they have tracked it. But of course
- the us posts pick of tanks and aa near the Ukraine border everybody says they are fake
-the Russians post a few blurry pics also everybody believes them
3) normal planes pilots would have no clue about a missile following them or flying around them probably they didn't even had time to realize what hit them
4) not too much would be left out of the warhead but this question should be asked to the rebels that denied everyone to enter the area for days (and you could also ask them why did they chopped a lot of the parts of the wreckage with a chainsaw)
edited:
also most the remains of the missile should be far away from the crash site and closer to the point of impact

[regedit]

Pro-Russia separatist groups in eastern Ukraine are hastily covering up all links to the Buk missile battery suspected to have been used to shoot down the Malaysia Airlines passenger plane, according to western-based defence and intelligence specialists.

As the UN security council called for a “full, thorough independent international investigation” into the downing of the plane, concern that a cover-up was under way was fuelled by a standoff at part of the crash site between observers from the Organisation for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE) and rebel gunmen, which ended with a warning shot being fired.

Postings on rebel websites immediately after the crash boasted of having shot down what they claimed was an Antonov Ukrainian military transport plane, but these have since been deleted.

[ABitNut]

I still didn't see a video that conclusively proofs that the rebels shot down MH-17. After searching to my best ability I learned that there were 2 videos posted in a statement. One of them is still available, the second one vanished (?). That statement has been deleted. It is not conclusively proven that the account that made the statement belongs to a rebel.

Satellite images show anti air installations in the area, but no image shows a launch. There is radar evidence published that shows a launch. Russia and the rebels claimed Ukrainian fighter planes were flying close to MH-17. I would expect the pilots of those to have noticed a missile launch, but as far as I know no official report was published that mentions them.

All in all the most likely explanation is still that the rebels did shoot down MH-17. But considerable doubt is being created, and it would be very nice if conclusive evidence was provided on what actually happened. Right now there's too much FUD for my liking.

[niothor]

I still didn't see a video that conclusively proofs that the rebels shot down MH-17. After searching to my best ability I learned that there were 2 videos posted in a statement. One of them is still available, the second one vanished (?). That statement has been deleted. It is not conclusively proven that the account that made the statement belongs to a rebel.

Satellite images show anti air installations in the area, but no image shows a launch. There is radar evidence published that shows a launch. Russia and the rebels claimed Ukrainian fighter planes were flying close to MH-17. I would expect the pilots of those to have noticed a missile launch, but as far as I know no official report was published that mentions them.

All in all the most likely explanation is still that the rebels did shoot down MH-17. But considerable doubt is being created, and it would be very nice if conclusive evidence was provided on what actually happened. Right now there's too much FUD for my liking.

Ukraine will never say that they had planes in the air near the mh-17 even if that would be true.
But again the Russians have offered no proof of it.

My view on this is that the plane had been mistaken and shot down by accident.

The buk system can launch a missile without all the four parts , all it needs is the built in radar attached to the launcher. But that one tracker closer targets and all you can see are red dots , no additional info (other than alt and speed) about the plane you are going to target.

[Nemo1024]

Cracks in rebels story: one of the their commanders, Alexander Khodakovsky, admitted that his forces had Buk SAM, that it might had been supplied by Russia, involved in shooting down MH17, and then smuggled back over the border. He also said that although it is expected from him to represent the side he is fighting for, this doesn't mean that it must always reflect his own views: "This causes real discomfort to my soul."

Article: http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/mh17-ukraine-rebels-admit-having-moscow-supplied-buk-missile-system-1458032

The interview appears to be modified/perverted:
http://zaytivk.ru/slavyansk2014

B cpeдy aгeнтcтвo Peйтep pacпpocтpaнилo интepвью c Aлeкcaндpoм Xoдaкoвcким, в кoтopoм oн зaявил, чтo y oпoлчeнцeв якoбы мoг быть кoмплeкc «Бyк», пpимeнeниe кoтopoгo былo cпpoвoциpoвaнo yкpaинcкими cилoвикaми, пpeдпpинявшими oбcтpeлы c вoздyxa пo нaзeмным цeлям.

Кoмaндиp бaтaльoнa «Bocтoк» Aлeкcaндp Xoдaкoвcкий oтpицaeт, чтo гoвopил в интepвью aгeнтcтвy Peйтep o якoбы пpимeнeнии oпoлчeнцaми нa вocтoкe Укpaины cиcтeмы «Бyк», зaявил в cpeдy PИA Hoвocти иcтoчник в oкpyжeнии кoмaндиpa.

«Я нe гoвopил ничeгo пoдoбнoгo „Peйтepy“, и y мeня ecть зaпиcь paзгoвopa», — пpoцитиpoвaл coбeceдник aгeнтcтвa cлoвa Xoдaкoвcкoгo.

Paнee в cpeдy aгeнтcтвo Peйтep pacпpocтpaнилo интepвью c Aлeкcaндpoм Xoдaкoвcким, в кoтopoм oн зaявил, чтo y oпoлчeнцeв якoбы мoг быть кoмплeкc «Бyк», пpимeнeниe кoтopoгo былo cпpoвoциpoвaнo yкpaинcкими cилoвикaми, пpeдпpинявшими oбcтpeлы c вoздyxa пo нaзeмным цeлям.

In short, Hodakovskij declines saying that the resistance used Buks in the East of Ukraine. In his statement he said: "I haven't been saying anything like this to Reiter , and I have a recording of our conversation".

[ABitNut]

Cracks in rebels story: one of the their commanders, Alexander Khodakovsky, admitted that his forces had Buk SAM, that it might had been supplied by Russia, involved in shooting down MH17, and then smuggled back over the border. He also said that although it is expected from him to represent the side he is fighting for, this doesn't mean that it must always reflect his own views: "This causes real discomfort to my soul."

Article: http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/mh17-ukraine-rebels-admit-having-moscow-supplied-buk-missile-system-1458032

The interview appears to be modified/perverted:
http://zaytivk.ru/slavyansk2014

B cpeдy aгeнтcтвo Peйтep pacпpocтpaнилo интepвью c Aлeкcaндpoм Xoдaкoвcким, в кoтopoм oн зaявил, чтo y oпoлчeнцeв якoбы мoг быть кoмплeкc «Бyк», пpимeнeниe кoтopoгo былo cпpoвoциpoвaнo yкpaинcкими cилoвикaми, пpeдпpинявшими oбcтpeлы c вoздyxa пo нaзeмным цeлям.

Кoмaндиp бaтaльoнa «Bocтoк» Aлeкcaндp Xoдaкoвcкий oтpицaeт, чтo гoвopил в интepвью aгeнтcтвy Peйтep o якoбы пpимeнeнии oпoлчeнцaми нa вocтoкe Укpaины cиcтeмы «Бyк», зaявил в cpeдy PИA Hoвocти иcтoчник в oкpyжeнии кoмaндиpa.

«Я нe гoвopил ничeгo пoдoбнoгo „Peйтepy“, и y мeня ecть зaпиcь paзгoвopa», — пpoцитиpoвaл coбeceдник aгeнтcтвa cлoвa Xoдaкoвcкoгo.

Paнee в cpeдy aгeнтcтвo Peйтep pacпpocтpaнилo интepвью c Aлeкcaндpoм Xoдaкoвcким, в кoтopoм oн зaявил, чтo y oпoлчeнцeв якoбы мoг быть кoмплeкc «Бyк», пpимeнeниe кoтopoгo былo cпpoвoциpoвaнo yкpaинcкими cилoвикaми, пpeдпpинявшими oбcтpeлы c вoздyxa пo нaзeмным цeлям.

In short, Hodakovskij declines saying that the resistance used Buks in the East of Ukraine. In his statement he said: "I haven't been saying anything like this to Reiter , and I have a recording of our conversation".

And how hard is it to publish that recording? Just saying evidence exists doesn't prove anything!

Aliens abducted MH-370, and tried to do the same with MH-17 but accidentally crashed it instead. I have proof of it.

Are there now people believing this just because I claim Utter B. said this?

[libivan]

I'd like to quote this post here, because I found it very good. Especially the video he indicates:

So you think the people that have control of the geopolitical agendas today have it by accident and not because they wanted it ?

What an idiotic proposal.

You think they don't know how to manipulate the media and the population ?

You think that so called "psy-ops" don't happen because secret services are run by clowns and not by people with a lifetime experience in doing just that ?

Sure - they f*ck up all the time - it's just that it doesn't matter because there's always a band of willing zombies ready to promote their agenda for then and convince everybody that things are "just a co-incidence, nothing to see here".

After the last MH "disappearance" there was a chorus of commentators expressing the view that this aircraft would turn up in a terrorist attack in a few months - not least this guy, the former political secretary to an ex Malaysian prime minister.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmpL2il3cdE

So here we are - a few months later and a Malaysian Airways 777 HAS indeed turned up in a terrorist attack. Who knows whether it's the same one or another one or whether there's a link or not, whether it was the *real* russian rebels or fake Ukranian-sponsored Russian rebels that shot it down or what the f*ck happened.

But given that the worlds airline fleet numbers about 20,000 planes and only 13 of them are Malaysian Airways 777's then that leaves a probability of about 1 in 1500 that the above mentioned "conspiracy theorists" would be right which means that statistically,

YES. THERE IS SOMETHING TO SEE HERE

And even if there isn't, it's about time some people started to wake up and smell the coffee that what they read in the news is the "for public consumption" version of things and to stop being so dismissive of suggestions that a more plausible one might exist.

[Nemo1024]

Cracks in rebels story: one of the their commanders, Alexander Khodakovsky, admitted that his forces had Buk SAM, that it might had been supplied by Russia, involved in shooting down MH17, and then smuggled back over the border. He also said that although it is expected from him to represent the side he is fighting for, this doesn't mean that it must always reflect his own views: "This causes real discomfort to my soul."

Article: http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/mh17-ukraine-rebels-admit-having-moscow-supplied-buk-missile-system-1458032

The interview appears to be modified/perverted:
http://zaytivk.ru/slavyansk2014

B cpeдy aгeнтcтвo Peйтep pacпpocтpaнилo интepвью c Aлeкcaндpoм Xoдaкoвcким, в кoтopoм oн зaявил, чтo y oпoлчeнцeв якoбы мoг быть кoмплeкc «Бyк», пpимeнeниe кoтopoгo былo cпpoвoциpoвaнo yкpaинcкими cилoвикaми, пpeдпpинявшими oбcтpeлы c вoздyxa пo нaзeмным цeлям.

Кoмaндиp бaтaльoнa «Bocтoк» Aлeкcaндp Xoдaкoвcкий oтpицaeт, чтo гoвopил в интepвью aгeнтcтвy Peйтep o якoбы пpимeнeнии oпoлчeнцaми нa вocтoкe Укpaины cиcтeмы «Бyк», зaявил в cpeдy PИA Hoвocти иcтoчник в oкpyжeнии кoмaндиpa.

«Я нe гoвopил ничeгo пoдoбнoгo „Peйтepy“, и y мeня ecть зaпиcь paзгoвopa», — пpoцитиpoвaл coбeceдник aгeнтcтвa cлoвa Xoдaкoвcкoгo.

Paнee в cpeдy aгeнтcтвo Peйтep pacпpocтpaнилo интepвью c Aлeкcaндpoм Xoдaкoвcким, в кoтopoм oн зaявил, чтo y oпoлчeнцeв якoбы мoг быть кoмплeкc «Бyк», пpимeнeниe кoтopoгo былo cпpoвoциpoвaнo yкpaинcкими cилoвикaми, пpeдпpинявшими oбcтpeлы c вoздyxa пo нaзeмным цeлям.

In short, Hodakovskij declines saying that the resistance used Buks in the East of Ukraine. In his statement he said: "I haven't been saying anything like this to Reiter , and I have a recording of our conversation".

And how hard is it to publish that recording? Just saying evidence exists doesn't prove anything!

Currently it's Reuter's words against his, which is an absurd situation, when you need to defend yourself against the journalists, to whom you gave an interview...

More about it in LifeNews article here:
http://lifenews.ru/news/137189

Here is what he is saying:

We had a conversion with the agency, that published this information. We discussed various versions. One of the versions was the accusation against the resistance... As a commander, if I had such a system at my disposal, I would never have used it. None of the commanders would have gone to such irrational usage.... I expressed this information in the interview.

He further says that the resistance does not and never had Buks. They are easily detectable by technical means, thus if anyone has proof of the resistance having Buks, let them present it.


And interesting interview with military pilot and spotter Savenko, who is now in prison in Russia, accused of murder of the two journalists. She has some unkind things to say bout Russia, but one of the questions was a bout Boeing, and she says that the resistance could not have done it for technical reasons and for the reasons of constant training of the personnel servicing Buks so as to remain combat-ready, and no Buk activity was registered from the resistance prior to the inceident:
http://lifenews.ru/news/137181


If Russia is behind MH17 crash, where’s the evidence? – Defense Ministry
http://rt.com/news/175104-crash-evidence-antonov-defence/

Russia has so far been the only nation to release evidence related to the MH17 crash, the Defense Ministry said, urging other countries to follow suit. Though there have been a lot of claims of Russia’s involvement, none have been backed by proof.

By the way, doesn't it seem strange that the relatives of the victims are completely out of picture. In "normal" disasters we see a lot of indignation from the relatives, demands to see the crash site, demands to see and identify their loved ones. Here, we have an information vacuum, when it comes to relatives and their reaction. Seeing that locals on whom the bodies were falling, said that the bodies (except for the pilots) were not fresh, is it possible to assume that there are no relatives, and one or two short clips that we've seen are filmed with actors?

[niothor]

Cracks in rebels story: one of the their commanders, Alexander Khodakovsky, admitted that his forces had Buk SAM, that it might had been supplied by Russia, involved in shooting down MH17, and then smuggled back over the border. He also said that although it is expected from him to represent the side he is fighting for, this doesn't mean that it must always reflect his own views: "This causes real discomfort to my soul."

Article: http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/mh17-ukraine-rebels-admit-having-moscow-supplied-buk-missile-system-1458032

The interview appears to be modified/perverted:
http://zaytivk.ru/slavyansk2014

B cpeдy aгeнтcтвo Peйтep pacпpocтpaнилo интepвью c Aлeкcaндpoм Xoдaкoвcким, в кoтopoм oн зaявил, чтo y oпoлчeнцeв якoбы мoг быть кoмплeкc «Бyк», пpимeнeниe кoтopoгo былo cпpoвoциpoвaнo yкpaинcкими cилoвикaми, пpeдпpинявшими oбcтpeлы c вoздyxa пo нaзeмным цeлям.

Кoмaндиp бaтaльoнa «Bocтoк» Aлeкcaндp Xoдaкoвcкий oтpицaeт, чтo гoвopил в интepвью aгeнтcтвy Peйтep o якoбы пpимeнeнии oпoлчeнцaми нa вocтoкe Укpaины cиcтeмы «Бyк», зaявил в cpeдy PИA Hoвocти иcтoчник в oкpyжeнии кoмaндиpa.

«Я нe гoвopил ничeгo пoдoбнoгo „Peйтepy“, и y мeня ecть зaпиcь paзгoвopa», — пpoцитиpoвaл coбeceдник aгeнтcтвa cлoвa Xoдaкoвcкoгo.

Paнee в cpeдy aгeнтcтвo Peйтep pacпpocтpaнилo интepвью c Aлeкcaндpoм Xoдaкoвcким, в кoтopoм oн зaявил, чтo y oпoлчeнцeв якoбы мoг быть кoмплeкc «Бyк», пpимeнeниe кoтopoгo былo cпpoвoциpoвaнo yкpaинcкими cилoвикaми, пpeдпpинявшими oбcтpeлы c вoздyxa пo нaзeмным цeлям.

In short, Hodakovskij declines saying that the resistance used Buks in the East of Ukraine. In his statement he said: "I haven't been saying anything like this to Reiter , and I have a recording of our conversation".

And how hard is it to publish that recording? Just saying evidence exists doesn't prove anything!

Currently it's Reuter's words against his, which is an absurd situation, when you need to defend yourself against the journalists, to whom you gave an interview...

More about it in LifeNews article here:
http://lifenews.ru/news/137189

Here is what he is saying:

We had a conversion with the agency, that published this information. We discussed various versions. One of the versions was the accusation against the resistance... As a commander, if I had such a system at my disposal, I would never have used it. None of the commanders would have gone to such irrational usage.... I expressed this information in the interview.

He further says that the resistance does not and never had Buks. They are easily detectable by technical means, thus if anyone has proof of the resistance having Buks, let them present it.


And  interview with military pilot and spotter Savenko, who is now in prison in Russia, accused of murder of the two journalists. She has some unkind things to say bout Russia, but one of the questions was a bout Boeing, and she says that the resistance could not have done it for technical reasons and for the reasons of constant training of the personnel servicing Buks so as to remain combat-ready, and no Buk activity was registered from the resistance prior to the inceident:
http://lifenews.ru/news/137181


If Russia is behind MH17 crash, where’s the evidence? – Defense Ministry
http://rt.com/news/175104-crash-evidence-antonov-defence/

Russia has so far been the only nation to release evidence related to the MH17 crash, the Defense Ministry said, urging other countries to follow suit. Though there have been a lot of claims of Russia’s involvement, none have been backed by proof.

By the way, doesn't it seem strange that the relatives of the victims are completely out of picture. In "normal" disasters we see a lot of indignation from the relatives, demands to see the crash site, demands to see and identify their loved ones. Here, we have an information vacuum, when it comes to relatives and their reaction. Seeing that locals on whom the bodies were falling, said that the bodies (except for the pilots) were not fresh, is it possible to assume that there are no relatives, and one or two short clips that we've seen are filmed with actors?

So in the first part you take the side of the one giving the interview and in the second you trust what the reporters have published from the second interview.

Taking clear sides again...

As for the second part - highlighted probably you won't find anything in licking rusia today , how about you google a bit:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/10983074/Relatives-anger-at-treatment-of-MH17-bodies.html
http://www.news.com.au/world/mh17-grieving-dutch-relatives-angry-at-reports-of-looting-at-crash-scene/story-fndir2ev-1226994573009
http://time.com/3003438/malaysia-airlines-ukraine-crash-mh17-reaction-malaysia-relatives-family/
http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2014/07/21/flight_mh17_dutch_anger_boils_over_bodies_are_just_lying_there_in_the_hot_sun.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10977385/MH17-relatives-of-dead-Dutch-children-gather-as-Holland-mourns.html
http://news.sky.com/story/1303973/dutch-fury-as-mh17-bodies-dragged-around
http://www.3news.co.nz/Dutch-king-vents-anger-over-MH17/tabid/417/articleID/353683/Default.aspx

with a lot of names of the dead and their relatives

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Cracks in rebels story: one of the their commanders, Alexander Khodakovsky, admitted that his forces had Buk SAM, that it might had been supplied by Russia, involved in shooting down MH17, and then smuggled back over the border. He also said that although it is expected from him to represent the side he is fighting for, this doesn't mean that it must always reflect his own views: "This causes real discomfort to my soul."

Article: http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/mh17-ukraine-rebels-admit-having-moscow-supplied-buk-missile-system-1458032

And if we follow the link and read the article, we see that "Khodakovsky suggested the missile system had probably come from Russia and was smuggled back across the border after MH17 was shot down". Surely not something that you would describe as "admitted".

He admits that rebels had Buk, that's where he was clear. The rest is all "might", "could" and "maybe". I think I've put it quite well in my post.

You may put whatever you want in your posts, but I quoted the text from the article. If you don't see the difference between "suggested" (i.e. mentioned as possible) and "admitted" (i.e. conceded as true), then it makes no sense talking any longer. Think as you please, I just point out the discrepancy between what you posted and the actual wording.

And now it turns out that Reuters have changed the meaning of his words too (just like you did).